>makes heavenly cheese sauce>for some reason makes a certain group of people irrationally angrywhy is that?
>>21814023>why is that?https://youtu.be/CtwJvgPJ9xw?si=a02xJsehS-g7W7vL
>>21814023I love making nacho cheese with sodium citrate and then eating massive amounts of chips and nacho cheese for lunch and dinner.
>>21814035DAMN
>>2181403650/50 milk + sharp cheddar by weight. Add extra salt to compensate for the milk. Strain pickled jalapenos and blend them into the cheese. There's recipes for it. Tastes like an extra good gas station/movie theater nacho cheese. Delicious.
>>21814023sodium more like sodie yum
>>21814023>>21814039Cant u just add a little corn starch to smooth out and thicken the sauce?Why u need this chemical
>put flour and butter in pan>make add milk>slowly add more milk>add grated cheese>get a perfectly good cheese sauce>faggots braindamaged by fast food hate it and need it to resemble melted plastic with their free-radical cell oxidising chemical additivesno thanks
>>21814046god europeans are literally retarded. it's like if they made midwest facebook moms into an entire continent
>>21814045sodium citrate works similarly but affects the protein in a way that makes it even smoother. i can make good cheese sauce with starch but it's still never quite as smooth as it is with sodium citrate.
>>21814054What do you think is healthier for you:Eating a sauce made with 100 added harmless chemicalsvsEating a cheese sauce
>>21814046>resemble melted plastici don't think it resembles melted plastic. it resembles a very smooth cheese sauce. where are you getting plastic from?>free-radical cell oxidising chemical additivesit's sodium and citric acid. do you think salt and lemon juice is some abomination too?
>>21814046Actual cheese sauce has no milk or flour. You described Roux --> Béchamel --> Mornay which is pretty cool I guess with all the French faggotry. But its off topic and not even relevant to this thread about pure melted cheese sauce
>>21814065>100 added harmless chemicalssodium citrate is 100 chemicals
>>21814066>where are you getting plastic from?What do you mean by "very smooth"?>do you think salt and lemon juice is some abomination too?Why can't you use salt and lemon juice then?
>>21814065>100 added harmless chemicalswhat the fuck are you even talking about you retarded faggot? you can add this one ingredient to your own melted cheese. like I said, you are fucking retarded like a fucking braindead facebook mom
>>21814067>Actual cheese sauce has no milk or flour.Says fucking who? Melted cheese is not a cheese sauce you dumb moron.
>>21814070>you can add this one ingredient to your own melted cheese.What if I don't want to because I don't see the need to artificially smoothen my ingredients with potentially harmful additives?
>>21814075ok stacy, time to go back to facebook.
>>21814045Why can't you type like a non-retard?
>>21814080Enjoy your baby food you tastelet faggot
>>21814075Everyone calling you a retard is correct. You're having a meltdown because the word sodium and citrate scare and confuse you. It is pretty glorious.There's significantly more chemicals in flour btw, retarded idiot.
>>21814086see>>21814065
>>21814023people are often dumb animals
>>21814086So you can't see why adding random chemicals to your food could be a bad idea?You think just because it says harmless on the label it's 100% safe for you to use?
>>21814088Flour is composed of hundreds if not thousands of different chemicals. Sodium citrate is one.
>>21814097Show me the research then faggot.
>>21814096So you think adding random pesticide and fungicidal laden flour to your food could be a bad idea? Have you seen what cheap refined carbs have done to the world?
>>21814069>What do you mean by "very smooth"?what do you have trouble understanding about "very smooth"? does every food that is very smooth make you think of plastic?>Why can't you use salt and lemon juice then?probably because you don't want it to taste like lemon juice
>>21814099Brother the burger I ate an hour ago could've been full of ricin and I wouldn't have any clue.
>>21814098>spoonfeed me please daddy! I dont know how to use google because I am truly stupid and useless! No.
>>21814101>what do you have trouble understanding about "very smooth"? does every food that is very smooth make you think of plastic?What do you mean by "very smooth"? McDonalds burger cheese?
>>21814103>bro just use this toxic evil food additive>wtf no i won't provide any source it's harmless!think i'll pass dude if you're too lazy to defend your own claims
>>21814098Hilariously, if you look up sodium citrate health studies you'll see that it is a possible performance enhancer for athletes. Next time I'm pounding your mom Ill be sure to each some nacho cheese so I can go harder and longer than normal. Lmfao. You are one dumb ass little bitch.
>>21814104>What do you mean by "very smooth"? McDonalds burger cheese?not really. more like sour cream i guess.
>>21814110I've made a cheese sauce like twice in my life for lasagna so buying an ingredient specifically for them is kind of strange to me, maybe it would elevate a cheesesteak but again, kind of expensive to buy this just for one single thing I make once a year or so.
>>21814114it's not super expensive and it lasts forever, plus you only need a small amount of it. but yeah if it's not something you're making often then there isn't much point in worrying about it.
>>21814106The only potentially unhealthy or "bad" part of sodium citrate is the possibility of consuming too much sodium. Both sodium and citrate ions are essential for various parts of human biology. If you mix lemon juice(citric acid) and baking soda you would get citrate and sodium in solution(aka sodium citrate), retard.Absolutely 100% correct you got scared and confused by big scary words. Does polysaccharide scare you or folic acid? How about phytic acid?
>>21814119see>>21814065I'm no longer helping you, enjoy your cancer heavy metal laced chinese sourced autism powder.
>>21814121A most wonderful concession. Thanks for the entertainment. Enjoy your pesticide, fungicide, mycotoxin, and heavy metal contaminated wheat that will make you even more of a fat retard than you already are. :D
>>21814123shut up retard
>>21814128>I have NO argument, but I WILL continue to have a meltdown.You can make sodium citrate with lemon juice and baking soda you seething retard.
Wheat flour is commonly contaminated with arsenic, lead, cadmium, and even mercury. We got a guy thinking a mixture of lemon juice and baking soda is somehow more dangerous than ingesting heavy metals. LOL
>>21814135Difference is billions of people eat flour meanwhile only like 100 people go out of their way to make cheese sauces with this shit in it.
>>21814065>100 added harmless chemicals>>21814136>100 peopleyou really like the number 100i get it, i do too
>>21814135>bro you NEED to
>>21814136why are you so obsessed with the number 100?
>>21814139why are you so obsessed with "harmless chemicals"?
>>21814136>only 100 people eat kraft singles and cheeses with added sodium citrate! Consuming heavy metals is good because billions of my fellow third worlders also do it!Holy shit you are legitimately retarded. Maybe lay off that heavy metal contaminated wheat. It has clearly damaged your brain.
bro BRO its a HARMLESS CHEMICAL haha bro EVERYTHING IS CHEMICALS BRO haha this BRO DOESNT KNOW CHEMICALS ARE JUST LIKE TABLE SALT haha BRO HEARS CHEMICALS and GOT SCARED haha BRO
Meltdown going nuclear after complete and utter destruction
>>21814147Okay bro, take your sodium citrate shot before mommy revokes your computer privileges.
>>21814149>I will continue to cope and seethe after getting completely destroyed>NO I do not have an argument! Kek keep up the meltdown it's funny, heavy metal consoooooomer.
>>21814154Maybe the sodium citrate made you a fucking retard who knows
>>21814156>NO U!You made an absolute fool of yourself in this thread and continue to do so. Thanks. :)
Can you fags hurry up and make out already?
I won
>>21814146this is an instance where it really is harmless and not being consumed in huge amounts. you'd consume basically the same thing from normal foods. it's not like a petrochemical additive or pesticide.
>>21814165doesn't matter if it's harmless, not eating it is less harmful
>>21814066Clearly youve never eaten melted plastic before
>>21814167how can it be less harmful than harmless? if something is harmless and you do something to make it even less harmful does it loop around to being harmful?>>21814170should i?
>>21814173>how can it be less harmful than harmless? if something is harmless and you do something to make it even less harmful does it loop around to being harmful?How can eating something harmless be the same as not eating it?
>>21814023For me it's adding water and lemon to make a better gatorade.
>>21814173There is evidence that sodium citrate is a sports performance enhancer. Both sodium and citrate on their own are essential for human biology. Heavy metals and pesticides are both harmful.
>>21814173>should i?Yes. It tastes like melted cheese
>>21814164Correct. You won the biggest retard on /ck/ award. Good job!
>>21814081Did i trigger u by not type 'you' out? Why aren't you speaking in more refined 19th century prose? You are butchering the english language, fag
>>21814023I just don't like kidney stones
>>21814023>>for some reason makes a certain group of people irrationally angry>think to self "who would possibly find a way to get angry about this what is OP talking about">scroll down
>>21814045They don't have the same effect. Starch is a thickener and SC is an emulsifier
>>21814075You're retarded and boring
>>21814292Just don't eat stuff with it multiple times a day every day. You retards forget moderation is a thing
>>21814045Sodium citrate chelates a calcium ion off of casein, the main protein in the cheese. This changes its molecular structure so that one end of it likes to interact with water while the other likes to interact with fats/oils. This lets you properly emulsify the sauce, like how egg protein lets you emulsify mayonnaise.
>>21814173When you digest it, the molecule disassociates into a citrate ion and three sodium ions. If you consume any amount of salt, citrus fruits, or anything with citric acid then you are already consuming these in substantial quantities.>>21814292Citrate supplementation is actually prescribed as a preventative treatment. Kidney stones form when calcium ions in urine combine with oxalate ions to form calcium oxalate which is insoluble, precipitates out of urine, and forms crystals. Citrate can compete with oxalate for binding with calcium, calcium citrate stays water soluble, and oxalate on its own is soluble so you're able to excrete all of them.
>>21814065>healthierstop with this dead meme.
>>21814299Aka plastic cheese
how come everyone uses sodium citrate when the real slop uses sodium phosphate?
>>21815088sodium phosphate is the original additive used by Kraft but citrate and a little bit of hexametaphosphate works better
>>21814473Why not just put eggs in there instead of some weird factory substance?
>>21815118Some styles of mac and cheese like Caribbean macaroni pie do use eggs as an emulsifier. The tradeoff is that the end product is more set and sliceable so that can be undesirable if you're looking for a creamier sauce.Also I wouldn't really call sodium citrate a weird factory substance, it's a very ordinary salt. You can make it yourself by neutralizing lemon juice with baking soda if you really want.
>>21815124I was actually just trolling and didnt think egg would work that way but thanks for educating me anon!
>>21814069>Why can't you use salt and lemon juice then?You can. There are methods of preparation that use fresh citrus juice and sodium bicarbonate, which releases the co2 as bubbles and yields sodium citrate in aqueous solution. The potential issues are the challenge of dialing in the exact stoichiometric ratios so as to result in no excess of bicarb or citrus, and the presence of unwanted biproducts: sugars, acid salts such as sodium malate, bitter alkaloids and aromatic oils and esters that will remain in the final dish and be detectable to the palate, as >>21814101 pointed out. Isolating pure sodium citrate mitigates these problems and lets the flavor of whatever quality cheese you use shine through. If you just wanted to turn a buttery & sharp emmental, or a rich grassy gouda, nutty mimolette, funky tallegio, etc. into a stable runny glossy sauce, you may not want the distracting aromas and bitterness of citrus invited to the party.
>>21815188>lets the flavor of whatever quality cheese you use shine through.Sounds like bullshit, how would you eat a cheese sauce and say "oh you know what, it needs a dash of sodium citrate my dear"You are just a fucking child who was raised on processed nacho cheese and won't admit it.
>>21815197sounds like bullshit. you saw a scary chemical name and you're shitting your pants because it doesn't have soothing baby words to call it instead.man out here pissing his pants and clutching his pearls over dihydrogen monoxide type shit.
>>21815197It is not bullshit. Sodium citrate has a distinct flavor, but it is not necessarily bad or any stronger than using eggs, flour, or any other starch to emulsify cheese. It's just different.You don't really understand how to use sodium citrate either and sound like an idiot getting mad at your own ignorance. Lol
>>21815202Sure I did buddy, keep scorfing down unnecessary powders because you have the palate of a fucking child.
>>21815206>getting mad at your own ignoranceNo I am getting mad at people thinking that I was afraid of a "chemical".
>>21815230>why yes, I did get mad.
>>21815267Yeah, because you are sub 100 IQ?
>>21815230You are clearly beyond afraid - you are acting downright terrified of this particularly ordinary and harmless chemical, much to everyone's amusement.
>>21814065>100 added harmless chemicals>>21814096>100% safe>>21814136>100 people>>21815312>100 IQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzeYR3ga0o
>>21815312>gets scared by salt>gets mad at saltYou struggle to grasp the most basic chemistry while calling other people stupid. Sorry to break it to you, but you are the one with room temp IQ.
>>21815345Yeah, do something about it faggot.>>21815347You sound autistic.
>>21814039>gas stations Low iq blue collar ruralfag detected
>>21815355>I do not deny my own stupidityKek
How hard is it for you retards to grasp the concept that not adding anything is objectively less harmful than adding something harmless?
>>21815358>seething retard doesn't know it's all the same canned cheese.Your desperation and seethe is honestly a little endearing, lil tard boy.
>>21815360Sodium citrate has been shown to have health benefits. Adding something healthy makes your foods better, dummy.
>>21815366>Sodium citrate has been shown to have health benefitsSodium citrate makes you a fucking faggot case in point you.
I don't need chemicals to cook food because I'm not a fucking faggot.
>>21815368>why yes, I am extremely mad and scared because of saltTypical low IQ behavior
>>21815374>I am a tasteslop retard who needs all cheese to taste of nacho yellow piss dipTypical low IQ behaviour
>>21815376>no uAgain you are so angry and just incredibly stupid. When you make a cheese sauce at home you get to use very high quality cheese instead of the garbage they put into commercial versions. That is why people make their own cheese sauces. A simple and obvious fact you are completely unaware of.Only the most angry and retarded salt fearing 1 IQ retard would miss that. LOL YOU BIG DUMB.
>>21815379>you get to use very high quality cheese instead of the garbage they put into commercial versionAnd you ruin it with turning it back into the cheap shit.
>>21814046They hated him because he was right.
>>21815383>My retarded opinion is factYou have shown everyone here that you are angry, salt fearing, and truly retarded. Next step is showing everyone you are a know nothing tastelet.
>>21815386That poor guy got absolutely demolished yesterday.
>>21815389Maybe if you were a pleasant person and just enjoyed your cheese sauce in peace there wouldn't be any problems.
>>21815392That could be said about both sides. Only one is pretentious, fearful, and down right retarded. Good for me because I enjoy calling out retards.
>>21815390Back when I had a fat plapper GF I'd make her cheese sauce the way that anon described. It's very smooth and very tasty. Source: my ex fat gf
>>21815417No one ever said using wheat was better or worse culinarily speaking. It simply produces different results. It was his pretentious attitude and extreme fear of a salt that has been shown to be healthy.
>>21815421bro i think all that sodium citrate you ate made you gay
>>21815421What.... I don't think he was doing that at all. Don't even think he was afraid of salt Try making a bechemel with cheese and you'll find it is super tasty. I'm not arguing for or against sodium citrate. I'm for making tasty cheese sauces.
>>21815434Ask your mother for confirmation.>>21815438Retard I've made different cheese sauces. Bechamel works well for some things just like sodium citrate based sauces. Read his posts carefully and you'll see he was calling a simple salt toxic and dangerous. That is from fear and extreme retardation.
>>21815440Good day. I do not believe I deserve the title of retard. That said, after examination of his post I can't find a link to other posts to substantiate the other claims in your post. I can find no fault with that poster. Even if there is, I don't care. Using sodium citrate or not, you can make a very tasty cheese sauce.
>>21815461It's in his post.>faggots braindamaged by fast food hate it and need it to resemble melted plastic with their free-radical cell oxidising chemical additivesHe's saying that two ions necessary for human biology, but used to emulsify cheese instead are cancer causing chemical additives. He literally called sodium carcinogenic.
>>21815461It's in his post.>faggots braindamaged by fast food hate it and need it to resemble melted plastic with their free-radical cell oxidising chemical additivesHe's saying that two ions necessary for human biology, but used to emulsify cheese instead, are cancer causing chemical additives. He literally called sodium carcinogenic.
>>21815466My apologies, I believe we have a misunderstanding. The post I quoted was not related to that post as far as I know.
>>21815470>>21815466shut up gay retard
bros should I put dihydrogen monoxide in my food? it has a scary chemical name!
>>21815482>overdose on sodium citrate>this happensmany such cases
>>21815474It's the initial post that was replied to.
>>21815478>still butthurt after getting annihilated.Many such cases...
>>21815488I just double checked and I'm wrong. Sorry.
cheese sauce with sodium nitrate is worse in all ways
>>21815492Sorry for calling you a retard.
>>21815520If it's any consolation, I didn't realize I was being a retard. Please continue to enjoy your cheese sauces!
You homos still going?
>>21815537Ok but one of them must have won
>>21815540One side thinks sodium is a carcinogen and the other side is simply enjoying cheese sauce. Who do you think won.
>>21815544>One side thinks sodium is a carcinogen When did they ever say this?
>cheese sauce
>>21815548See>>21814046
>>21815552>partially gelatinated non-dairy gum-based beverage
>>21815556>free-radical cell oxidising chemical additivesI don't see the word cancer in there, do you?Looks like they were just making a joke at people who think using chemicals to re-create cheese sauces at home and those people took it way too personally.But what do I know? I'm just some guy.
>>21815583Free radical exposure/cell oxidization is one of the many ways you can increase your risk of getting cancer.
If you don't add a man's fresh cum from his balls to your cheese then you're objectively gay. There, I said it, you can all go home now.
>>21815600Yeah, you could also just get cancer though so why even think about it
>>21815610Sure, but Im not the one who said sodium or citrate causes cancer. They're both essential for the human body to function properly...
>>21815615>>21815548
>>21815657>>21815556
>>21815659>>21815583
>>21815583The only reason people talk about free radicals is because they can cause DNA damage, increasing risk for cancer.
>>21815669I drink pickle juice, I don't really care about that stuff.
>>21815680Based. I make my own sauerkraut and enjoy sipping on the kraut juice. It is delicious.
>>21814045It's literally just citric acid, you know, like what's in every lemon you've ever eaten, added to baking soda, you know, that thing in half the baked goods you've ever eaten. They could have made American cheese before the US civil war if they wanted to, it's not some crazy industrial process. The thing that led to it actually becoming a thing is that around ww1 someone found a fungus that makes lemons ferment into way more citric acid than you normally get.
>>21814065Europeans when you add salt to your cheese:
wtf is this thread?
>>21815540In a thread like this, the only ones winning are the lurkers enjoying a little drama
>>21815857See>>21815739
>>21814065nice to know I mogged you all with this actual thought experimentyou can tell how all of the mind-addled slop consuming retards became violent when I actually engaged their brain matter on this loser website
>>21815942>my pointless and flawed "thought experiment" owned all the liberals.Most of those replies are just pointing out how remarkably stupid you are.
>>21814066>where are you getting plastic from?That anon is misinformed, and basing their opinion from a internet meme where some meme slop studio burned some yellow plastic while calling it American cheese. It's been debunked dozens of times, but Euros are retarded and think that the plastic was real cheese. That and actual Kraft singles are a semi-glossy and resemble some plastics. It's all fucking stupid because most actual cheese also resembles plastic blocks too if you've seen enough plastic variety. Not every plastic is lego glossy.
>>21814167Yeah, don't consume dihydrogen monoxide and see how well that works out for you retard. And that one is harmful in the wrong quantities too!
>>21815947>Whole thread is starting an argument against normal people who don't turn cooking into a science experiment to re-create processed slop>Get rightfully insulted for being a fucking cuntfuck you
>>21815983>a science experimentit's using a type of salt to emulsify the cheese instead of starch. it's not really that different. making the cheese itself is more complicated than that and more of a "science experiment".
>>21815857One sauce contains 4x more cheese ("cheese sauce") than the other ("Mornay"). One side dies of cancer because they ingest 2x more fat and salt than the other. Guess which one?
>>21815942>nice to know I mogged you all with this actual thought experimentima think
>>21814045What makes amylose and amylopectin so much better than sodium citrate?You think corn starch isn't prepared in a factory with industrial equipment?
>>21814029>cringe sound effects>can't write music without using bad words>still has to produce cucked censored version to appeal to mainstream media outletsWeird al unironically mogged chamillionaire, hard
>>21815983>Im so incredibly stupid I think that adding salt to my food is a science experiment. LOL!
>>21816209You are autistic
>>21815118this is the factory machine that converts corn into corn starch btw
>>21815983Normal people use sodium citrate to make homemade cheese sauces. It's not some newfangled hipster bullshit just because you haven't personally heard of it up until now. Hell, my now-73 year old aunt was doing it in the 90s after seeing it on a cooking show on TV.
>>21816664>my now-73 year old aunt was doing it in the 90s after seeing it on a cooking show on TV.
>>21816669>t. Aspergers individual cannot fathom others having different life experiences
>>21814046>>21814066It's literally an antioxidant
>>21814054I'm French. Every grocery store sells the local equivalent of kraft slices. THE most popular chesse product in France ( Vache qui rit ) is made with such salts. I make sodium citrate with sodium bicarb and citric acid and use it in my cheese sauces. You're on 4chan. The euro people you interact with here all have something wrong with them including me.In real life no one gives a shit about sodium citrate. If even France doesn't care you know only the mentally ill care. Also the US is a depraved demonic entity. Cheers.
>>21816669I don't know shit about cooking shows from the 90s, but plenty of mac and cheese recipes use sodium citrate indirectly. American cheese has a ton of sodium citrate in it and plenty of recipes will use a small amount to stabilize the sauce.
