new food pyramid just dropped
and the old
>>21821080>number one killer is heart disease>we need to eat more saturated fat >ribeyes and drenching everything in beef tallow everyday is good for youRFK Jr really fell for carnivore grifters though this won’t change anything I guess. The people who don’t eat fatty meat aren’t all of a sudden going to change their diet
Odd looking Zah
Health and Human Services is run by a group of Facebook moms spamming RFK
>>21821081>>21821080>dairy being shilled ever>66 percent of human beans have lactose intolerance. only nordics and nordic fingolia mutants don't have it.
>>21821096True, boomers and midwits will not be bothered to move on from outdated "science." The more conscientious among us have long sinced moved on. We peating now.
>>21821099good
>>21821102hello brown
>>21821080This pyramid is useless without numbers. A fatass that eats 4,000 calories of ultraprocessed carbs and sneed oils is going to be just as fat eating 4,000 calories of carnivore memery.
>>21821105most of west euros is brown. and USA too.you're all giving yourself wet farts of dairy.
>>21821115>. A fatass that eats 4,000 calories of ultraprocessed carbsmore like 10000 at least.
big sugar is furious
>>21821129u mean big WHOLE GRAINS.
>>21821080>trusting nutritional studies with shoddy methodology backed by corporations and whatever the latest administration isThis shit changes every 5 years or so
>>21821116I have no problem with any dairy. I drink milk nearly every day
>>21821102They make lactose-free milk. In fact, there's like three different kinds of lactose-free milk.>a2 milk, which comes from cows that don't produce lactose>ultra-filtered milk (e.g. FairLine)>milk with lactose-inhibiting enzyme added (e.g. Lactaid)You could also consume goat milk, which is even better because it contains caprylic acid, which is a healthy medium-chain triglyceride.
>>21821080Finally, we have an administration that isn't afraid to speak truth to power and now we are free from the malignant influence of Big Spelt.
>>21821080Based, fuck big sugar and big grain
>>21821102Sucks to be you
>>21821096>>ribeyes and drenching everything in beef tallow everyday is good for youthat's correct
>>21821499Grassfed for better omega 3.
isnt cheese basically horrible for you
>>21821102You mean 66 percent of "humans"
>>21821524no
>>21821080If I may ask, what is the logic behind this? Why is it upside down? I assume the top is the most important?
>>21821080Tried making this recipe, tasted good !Would recommend .
>>21821576It's literally the Ray Peat diet
>>21821102>>dairy being shilled ever>>66 percent of human beans have lactose intolerancethat still means there are billions of people who can consume it without issue.lactose intolerant people can still have cheese, butter, yogurt, and often even milk as long as it's in smaller amounts and with food. japanese people are technically lactose intolerant but schoolkids still drink a bit of milk and they've seen a height increase since that was started.
>>21821080>grains badbased ketoschizo secretary of health
It’s not a pyramid, it’s an inverse funnel
>>21821080What’s the point? Isn’t this just saying to eat every food that isn’t processed?
>>21821585In Greek mythology it’s what came out the first time Demeter farted
>>21821080I ain't listening to what the government thinks I should eat
fix'd
>>21821080It shiuld be like thieDairy, grains, alcohol, caffeine, oils: NeverMeat, vegetables, fruit: AlwaysSugar, salt: Use sparingly
More info provided on the websiterealfood.gov
>>21821102GETONOURLEVEL
>>21821772>USA>metric unitsHoly fuck it's happening
>>21821102>all these defensive replieswhat it is with peoples cult fetish with milk. all those years of dairy lobby propaganda just rotted peoples brains and they believe the lies.all studies saying milk is good for you are paid for by the dairy lobby. every_single_one.maybe thats why there are so many man children today, the hormones in the milk kept their brains infantile and they gotta keep hooked up on the bottle.
>>21821789probably because milk is good for some people and they get defensive when hearing things like "maybe thats why there are so many man children today, the hormones in the milk kept their brains infantile and they gotta keep hooked up on the bottle."various people across multiple continents have consumed milk for thousands of years. acting like it's bad for you and it's only a modern thing for people to think milk is good is ignorant. not everyone tolerates it and needs to consume it but that doesn't make it inherently bad.you're acting like the people you're complaining about, just in the opposite direction.
>>21821080>>21821081IMO, US should remove all the subsidies for grains/breads/fruits/etc and put them into veggies/meat/dairy. All the "carb only" food are just wasteful. Just create breads from beans, fruit mixes. Have plenty of meat, have plenty of fruits/veggies. Grains/breads/rice are just poverty tier stable energy from past century. We have the technology and we have the money to switch over the entire bland diet to something more nutrient rich.
>>21821779the us has officially been metric since the 70s, huge amounts of money are spent every year converting m or kg into in/yards/miles or oz/lbs on public facing things
>>21821811Whole grains can be nutrient rich. Modern versions may be less nutrient rich for various reasons including refining but that doesn't mean they're worthless foods. Saying fruit is bad because carbs is kind of silly. There's nothing wrong with fruit and most indicators show everyone who eats more fruit is generally in better health. Meat and dairy is already heavily subsidized. They're the most subsidized foods. I would like to see fruits and vegetables get more subsidies though.
>>21821161>a2 milk, which comes from cows that don't produce lactosea2 milk has lactose dipshit.
>>21821826I didnt mean to put fruits there. But I think we should cut off grains subsidy and replace them with nuts/legumes/vegetables. Just incentivize farmers to produce that instead so their livelihoods arent destroyed.Whole grains dont make sense with legumes to replace for bread making. Same process of crushing and boiling. I want to see sugar, starch, alcohol subsidies cut in half to boost the others as well. I get the meat/dairy are more subsidized than I thought, so leave em.
>>21821116No they are not no matter how much you faggots larp
>>21821835>>21821811Really, if RFK Jr does it proper, we can cut dependence on carbs a lot and go for more protein and fats for proper energy instead
>>21821841Carbs are good for energy. Your body stores carbs in your muscles and liver for quick energy. People who stop consuming carbs complain of fatigue and dehydration even if they eat more fat and protein.
>>21821772>war on proteinwhy are yanks obsessed with fake "wars" on things.>war on christmas>war on protein
>>21821846Carbs dont give fulfilling energy, hence everyone is always hungry for more food. Proper fat/nutrients/protein give full stomach. Which leads to less intake of wasteful food in general, and further less reliance on carbs = no crazy blood sugar fluctuations causing lot of health problems. 80% of America is obese. Thats not muscles. 80-90% of America has a chronic health issue related to obesity. Its carbs overdose. Too much eating on whole of society due to lack of proper nutrients/protein rich food.
>>21821854the reagans started it with the "war on drugs" meme, people used it as a semi-ironic meme when most people were aware of where it came from, and now it has just become a ridiculous cliche and most zoomies have no idea
>>21821864>Carbs dont give fulfilling energy, hence everyone is always hungry for more food. Proper fat/nutrients/protein give full stomach.I don't know why it has to be one or the other. I'm not saying just eat carbs. But carbs do help with proper energy and hydration. There's a reason pretty much every athlete consumes a lot of carbs. And yes not everyone is an athlete but it doesn't mean carbs need to be completely excluded.>80% of America is obese. Thats not muscles. 80-90% of America has a chronic health issue related to obesity. Its carbs overdose.You don't gain that much weight from overeating carbs. And blaming it all on carbs is an extreme oversimplification. People have complained they gain weight on keto because they're still overeating.The combination of refined fat and refined carbs together is more likely to be a bigger factor in that, especially with processed foods low in moisture which is pretty much the perfect thing to overeat and gain as much weight as possible.
>>21821874We've experimented with the carb diet pyramid for the last 50 years. It has led to the collapse of American health system. Everyone has become sick. Now this new admin is reversing the experiment done on American that made us all sick.
>>21821874>You don't gain that much weight from overeating carbs. You dont have a functional common sense. You reject the reality of the sick society based on the carb heavy diet.
>>21821103You are "peating"? That's not a word. And anyone who uses the term "midwit" would be exactly that.
>>21821882wrong
>42.5% protein, dairy, fats>42.5% veg and fruit>15% whole grainthis is literally perfect, no notes.hey chuds, this means you eat all of those things in that percentage. you can't JUST eat protein, that's just as retarded as to the stupid michelle osama plate.
>>21821854we're working on starting a bunch of real wars if that's more your thing
>>21821877Nobody actually followed the food pyramid. The food pyramid tells you to limit refined sugar and refined oil, but obviously most people aren't doing that. Even if you disagree with the food pyramid, actually following it would result in better health than the way people are mostly eating nowith a ton of highly refined junk food. >>21821880The average diet is high in carbs. It's also high in meat and refined fat and refined sugar and lower in fruit and vegetables. Blaming it all on carbs is missing the point. Not to mention that there are other various complications like obesity is possibly linked to low amylase genes which means some people digest starch better than others and the ones who don't digest starch as well are the ones who have more problems.
>>21821912indians consume a lot of dairy
The new PDF/flier says not to eat excessive calories which depend on age, height, etc. Okay, cool except they didn't post any officially approved equations or algorithms to figure that shit out. And by "that shit" I mean TDEE.Maybe there will be a separate PDF or poster to hang at schools and doctor's offices: How to Calculate Your Maximum Recommended Daily Calorie Intake1.1Calories do not reset at midnight and must be spent by engaging in adequate amount of daily activities. (I hope they have a means of quantifying adequate amounts of daily activity.)
Emphasizing protein from animal foods will unironically make it easier to handle the stress from all the other negative things gnawing away at people, and kids always grow into taller and stronger adults if they eat more beef, lamb, and fish. There's no way americans will ever stop eating a ton of white bread made with american wheat but at least there's more suggestions now on what should be emphasized
>>21821096Ultimately, your dietary intake of fats and cholesterol has little impact on your risk of heart disease. Atherosclerosis is caused by manganese deficiency, which interrupts the liver's ability to properly metabolize cholesterol. The reason why people with a diet high in leafy greens have lower atherosclerosis isn't because veggies have lower fat content than meat, but rather because they contain manganese.
>>21821102>lactose intolerant>human
>>21821096Let them. They'll just kill themselves.
Carbohydrates are unnecessary to human surthrival
>>21822115That doesn't mean they have no benefit.
>>21822118Once you're body is fat adapted and able to efficiently use gluconeogenesis there wouldn't be any benefit to taking them inIt'll just cause hormonal disruption
>>21821811Dairy doesn't need to be subsidized more, it's disgusting, tastes/smells like vomit, contains little nutritional value and makes you fat. You're retarded and keto for only thinking of things in terms of carbs. Sugar in fruit tastes good because it's good for us. It's good in the way cloyingly sweet candy or soda isn't. Turns out your tongue is a pretty good judge of what's good for you or not. Try unsalted dairy. Sour milk will always be disgusting and bad for you.
>>21822134You're addicted to sugar though, that's why it tastes good to youIf you don't eat sugar normally fruit tastes rancidYou'll pick up mild sweet notes in meat, especially grass fed beef has an almost honey like quality to itEventually you don't even need to salt it anymore and it'll still taste saltyThe modern taste receptors are totally blown out
>>21821080This is legitimately pretty good and leagues better than the old food pyramid.It's unfortunate that the US is currently so divided that anything this administration proposes is going to be automatically resisted by half the population. A lot of schools are going to start teaching the old shittier food pyramid even harder out of spite.
>>21821080Rfk jr is trying to literally save you sexless nerds’ lives and here you all are making fun of him. You all are next on the list
>>21822129Gluconeogenesis just gives enough for your body to keep functioning. Your brain and muscles can still benefit from more.Your body can also produce the cholesterol it needs if you stop eating it, but you probably aren't advocating for a low cholesterol diet.
>>21822134>Dairy...contains little nutritional valueno? just sounds like you don't like it and you're upset about it for some reason. i drink plain milk and it makes me feel good, it tastes good (though milk can vary in quality depending on how it's processed and packaged). i don't know how you'd justify milk containing little nutritional value when babies live on it for months. if you got most of your calories from milk you'd only be low on a few nutrients. irish people had most of their diet for a while as mostly milk and potatoes and they were said to be quite healthy at the time.
>>21822139>If you don't eat sugar normally fruit tastes rancidyou eat underripe fruit probably>grass-fed beef tastes like honeyi've eaten a ton of grass-fed beef and it's nothing like honey
>>21822139>larping as some kind of unseasoned meat sommelieryikes
>>21822154My brother I think you're making my point for meYou're not detecting the subtle tastes and aromas because your buds are chronically overstimulated
>>21822169i ate plain grass-fed beef and drank water for a long time due to health problems. there can be a mild sweetness to meat if it's very fresh if that's what you're talking about. but it's nothing like the floral component to honey. most of the meat you'll get has been aged so there's no more glycogen or sweetness anyway. but that's how the inuit have a diet that is mostly fish yet they aren't in ketosis because they eat it fresh and raw pretty often which gives them enough carbs to stay out of ketosis.i kind of hate meat anyway and maybe someone who likes it not cooked so much would detect more of the sweetness if it was there but anything less than well-done just makes me gag.
>>21822150I'm not going out of my way to eat cholesterol the way people having carbs areThe link between cholesterol and heart disease is as sturdy as the one between icecream sales and shark attacksWe know the damage of excess blood glucose though, that's specifically what they're tracking with A1c
>>21822180Yes but just eating carbs doesn't typically cause a blood sugar spike high enough to cause any kind of damage in someone who isn't having other issues. The damage from excess blood glucose is typically associated with diabetes and insulin resistance which is caused by more than carbs.
>>21822072You guys are on a headstart.
>>21822175I like meat as close to raw as possible, maybe with a sprinkle of salt on a few bites towards the end and maybe not depending how my hydration is feelingAnd I'll have some unsalted butter just right off the stick at the end to get some extra fat and that's about it I don't like to add salt to my food, Because I'm trying to monitor satiety based on food volume and if I'm taking in salt I might keep eating because my body wants more salt not necessarily because I'm hungry So I prefer to take salt in separately I usually start the day with bacon though so I may not even want any salt at the end of the day unless I've sweat a lot
>>21822186I had that issue with salt recently too and was overeating because of it. I ended up having to just sip salted fluids for a while instead. But I like eating more vegetables now which are naturally very low in sodium so I don't worry about salting them anymore.
>>21821080unpeaty goy pyramid
>>21822190I have 8 boxes of LMNT I got from various people for Christmas because I made an off hand remark that I wanted to try itMy body does not respond well to it at all, it gives me a throbbing headache probably from making my blood pressure too highI can drink liquid IV no problem but this is too much Now I don't know what I'm gonna do with all this shit
>>21821080Change it back, Donnie!
>>21822209Yeah I had the same kind of headache when I was consuming too much salt as well. I would probably just double the amount of water for LMNT which should make it more similar to Liquid IV in sodium content.
>look into the (((experts)))>all of them work for either milk and meat industrylol at the conflict of interest
>>21822570No one’s stopping you from following this retarded thing.
>>21821854Because we actually get shit done. You guys just take it on the chin, limey.
>>21821824Good, imperial units are retarded.
>>21822146Okay, but the old one was basically correct. Low fat, moderate protein, lots of vegetables, with lean meat preferred. Rice and greens with minimal added fat is good for you. People just ate garbage and blamed the pyramid.
>>21822588Since you didn’t say to eat a massive pile of grains, I’m assuming you’re not talking about the old pyramid at all.
>>21821581>no avocado
>>21822573>ignoring the pointGood goy
>>21822606Show me any dietary guidelines that isn’t created by someone shilling something. I won’t wait, because it doesn’t exist. Hate on the new pyramid all you like, it’s literally the best one we’ve ever had.
>>21822588Fat isnt the issue. Calorie is. Thats why the entire baseline for weight reduction is calorie counting. Keto diet is normal healthy diet. Carb heavy diet is an artifact of the mid 20th century transformation that led to the rapid and explosive rise of obesity in our country, across the developed world in general.
>>21821581>baking soda , aspirinwot?!?
>>21821582>schoolkids still drink a bit of milk and they've seen a height increase since that was started.their height increased because before industrialisation, nippon was dirt poor and even landed samurais were malnourished and short(less than 1.5 metres). nothing to do with milk.
>>21821789what this man sez is true. and i am an indian man who drinks lassi milk everyday.
>>21821576Yes exactly, the wider portions are things you should eat more of. It's explained more on the website. Unlike the previous pyramid, this simply doesn't mention things like processed oils or added sugars, as they shouldn't be eaten at all.
>>21821161>goat milki tried those. still got watery shats.
>>21821840post the walmart shats in their pants photos then.
>>21822152babies are suppose to drink human milk not cow's milk. and toddlers were designed to stop taking in human milk and eat solids. duh?
>>21822588>the old one was basically correctYou are an actual retard. I'm not joking or just trying to insult you. You are retarded.
>>21822186>meat as close to raw as possible,you have brain worms.
>>21822678>before industrialisation, nippon was dirt poorAnd therefore couldn't afford milk
>>21822709correlation does not mean cause. they also couldn't afford porno and foreign beer. does beer and seamen make kids grow taller?
>>21822677baking soda makes the body more alkaline, which people use for general health purposes and as a performance enhancer. aspirin is good for lowering blood pressure, thereby mitigating risk factors of hypertension.
>>21822715No but it makes them less gay. You wouldn't know anything about that.
>>21822719>aspirin is good for lowering blood pressure, tit also gives you stomache ulcers.>alkalinejust drink salt water?
>>21822722>>>/lgbt/
>>21822723I don't take aspirin. I think that's more for people who have certain risk factors. Pure sodium bicarbonate is more effective at making tissues alkaline than salt water.
>>21821102You are talking about the American Food Pyramid. Doesn't matter that billions of brown people sit around in their shitholes.
>>21822700Babies are in a critical growth period where they need nutrient rich food. If one can digest milk in adulthood, there is no reason not to consume it.
>>21821953fun schitzo factoid: the way glysophate kills plants is by sequestering manganese in plants so it cant metabolize/absorb it. glysophate can do the same thing in humans by sequestering manganese in your brainstem, theoretically causing you to have deficencies :D
>>21822919>glysophateNot a thing>sequestering manganeseNot how glyphosate works
>>21822706Ruminates don't get parasites like that so it's ok to eat them raw, the main concern is contamination on the outside
>>21822930wow you proved him wrong good job.
>>21822678i'm not saying milk is entirely responsible, but it's part of it. access to animal products which typically have more bioavailable nutrients and higher quality protein is correlated with increased height. >>21822700>toddlers were designedlolhuman babies and calves still both go a period of time on just milk which wouldnt be possible if it contained little nutrition. even just watering down milk a bit can lead to malnutrition and death of a human baby. saying that toddlers eat solid food still supports that milk is nutritious if infants can survive on just milk.
>>21822930wrong
>>21821080I don't like in the US so I don't care
>>21822719>baking soda makes the body more alkaline, which people use for general health purposespeople who think things like this must not realize that acid=bad and alkaline=good is wildly inaccurate and that alkaline things can cause just as much damage as acid
>>21822995Your comment has nothing to do with what I said
>>21821581>progesterone Why?
>>21821081I feel this was more food supply management than nutrition. Grains & potatoes are plentiful crops so it puts less strain on the system if they're your primary source of calories.
>>21823000Pretty much everything Ray Peat advocated for has to do with thyroid hormone regulation. Peaters often take it with T3, though I have personally not taken either.
FINALLY TOLD THOSE FUCKTARD LIBERALS WHAT'S WHAT.
>>21822998yes it does
None of this shit is going to matter until they pass some kind of law that makes it so food companies can't fill food with preservatives and chemicals all in the name of profits, which they will never do because the government does nothing besides bow down and suck corporation cock all day. They can say "eat clean!" as much as they want but good luck with that when America sprays cancer-inducing pesticides on their fruits and veggies, pump their meat full of hormones, and stuff every single shelf-stable item full of so many chemicals it wouldn't even be considered food in 90% of the world.
>>21823023No, it's an absurd strawman and there's no point in discussing it with you since you're content to not know what you're talking about.
>>21823022Its not even liberals. Liberals are also promoting fruits, vegetables, as top food choice. Its the incumbant multibillion dollar yearly grain industry stooges. And with bit of marxism. It just also happens meat is promoted too, so normal people also like that.
>>21823034it's true though
It puts meat and vegetables on the same tier, but the website has a specific sub section addressing vegans and vegetarians about how to avoid nutrient deficiency, however there's no such section for carnivores because there isn't any actual risk of nutrient deficiency So although they don't explicitly state meat should be the base staple of your diet the recommendations point in that direction
>>21823050>however there's no such section for carnivores because there isn't any actual risk of nutrient deficiencycarnivore dieters can end up with scurvy if they're not eating minimally cooked meat. and no, lack of carbs does not mean you no longer need vitamin C, just that minimally cooked meat has enough vitamin C while fully cooked has practically none.
>>21823043Like I said
So are we really just going to turn our back on established food science so we can entertain these new wackaloon conspiracy theorists.
>>21823068>established food sciencefood science is far from established
The fuck is a serving supposed to be. We're supposed eat 80 servings of food a day? Do they mean bites, pounds, gallons?
>>21823068You think the old food pyramid is "established food science"? How retarded are you?
>>21823084I think they want everyone to go by the Serving Size on the nutrition facts label. So a serving of milk is typically around 240ml or 12 fl oz.
>>21822990>. access to animal products which typically have more bioavailable nutrients and higher quality protein is correlated with increased height.milk is not higher quality. EVEN IF you are lactose intolerance, you basically only absorb 10 percent of nutrients in liquids.
>>21822897>If one can digest milk in adulthood, there is no reason not to consume it.lactose intolerance will make it poop most of it out. even with lactose tolerance, mature digestive system can only absorb about 10 percent of nutrients from liquids. look it up, BigMilk shills.
>>2182285090 percent of USA is browns or blacks now. and almost none of you have swedish jeans. USA is less lactose tolerant than any part of europes except maybe moorish Spain.
>>21823101>milk is not higher quality.yes it is. milk protein is frequently regarded as some of the highest quality protein. it also has pre-formed vitamin A, a good amount of zinc, B12, all of which are harder to get from plants.>you basically only absorb 10 percent of nutrients in liquids.you made that up. liquids are easier to digest.
>>21823086>>21823038this thread just proved there's a BigMilk and BigGrains conspiracy going on.
>>21823107>look it upi tried looking it up and everything says you're wrong. provide a source otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
>>21823114>>you basically only absorb 10 percent of nutrients in liquids.>you made that up. liquids are easier to digest.no they're not. if they were , every health nut including RJFK will be telling you to drink protein shakes every milk. you milkshills lie too much
>>21823126>protein shakes every milk>every milkwhat?that has nothing to do with how well you absorb nutrients from liquids. you're just making shit up but not providing any real evidence of what you're claiming.
>>21823050Thats cause carnivore only diet is a myth. We're omnivores for mixed and balanced meal. Vegetarians are a thing for various reasons but they have balance diet with their nutrients and protein needs filled just fine
>>21823123here's your TLDR. i bet you're vegan too.basically solid almost always better than liquids for various reasons. now go away botnet.
>>21823133neither did you. but read>>21823146>>21823141>Vegetarians are a thing for various reasons but they have balance diet with their nutrients and protein needs filled just finenope. you're delusional.
>>21823146>my source? I asked the lie-machines to say it and they did
>>21823146saying a liquid diet has problems doesn't mean you don't absorb nutrients from liquid, retard. "cheese has more calcium from milk therefore you get more calcium from cheese" doesn't mean you aren't absorbing calcium from milk.>>21823151>neither did you.you're the one making the claim about only absorbing 10% of the nutrients in liquid, which you still never actually provided any kind of evidence foryou should just stop
>>21823146kek
Bioavailability is the entire point of juicing vegetables btw
>Healthy fatsThere is no such thing as healthy fats. The fact that anyone believes this tripe is sad.
>>21823086Yes, grain is the building block for every civilization on earth. You are willing to turn your back on thousands of years of culinary progress all because some conspiracy theorist told you that keto is the cool thing now and seed oils are somehow bad.
>>21823141It's a really weird take to suggest humans evolved to eat foods that have only excited for <10,000 years
>>21823261Nobody cares how excited vegetables make you, retard
>>21823250Transfats are unequivocally unhealthy. That means other fats are less so.
>>21823254Weird appeal to nothingOh wow isnt civilization so great! I love rape and genocide so much bros!
>>21823269>I love rape and genocide so much bros!Same brother
>>21823250How did you get this retarded?
>>21821115No they won't because humans are hormonal machines not thermodynamic ones, and the fat + protein won't increase insulin as much as sugar DUMB FUCK
>>21823250Your brain nervous system and skin are all made from saturated fat and cholesterol. I can't believe how much big sugar propaganda you retards think is true.
>>21823261It's not impossible. There have been genetic changes identified in response to dairy animals being domesticated so people could digest lactose as adults. Places that farmed more starches instead produce more enzymes to digest starch.
rfk jr. is a hypocritical, brain damaged, con artist trying to further his financial holdings in the cattle industry with this shitty thing. The sooner he is reunited with his dad in hell, the better.
>>21823146>asking the bot about liquid diets>not about milk>comparing calcium per gram of a hard food to a liquid oneProvide an actual source for your wild, made-up claims or I will force feed you milk until your lactose intolerant ass erodes like the Grand Canyon.
>>21823380Make sure to eat plenty of seed oil and take your covid boosters.
>>21823380aside from the RFK boogeyman, what part of this pyramid do you disagree with? please answer, I need a good laugh.
>>21821080Why are (((they))) so much against grains now? Why the fuck are oils are the top?
>>21823523RFK is literally trying to steal candy from babies. Who the fuck does that?
>>21823535
I thought the sciences was settled, how come they can magically discover that some foods are bad for you and the food that used to be bad is now good?
>>21821081The fact that the old one lasted as long as it did is crazy. But on the other hand I worry because meat is already at unsustainable levels of demand. If it goes much higher supply lines are going to start breaking.
>>21823559>meat is already at unsustainable levels of demandSorry I'm not eating the bugs. You can all you want. But I'm not.
>>21821102Zero percent of humans are lactose intolerant
>>21821080reddit did not like itThey also thought it was literally a pyramid, with those specific foods, where cheese is placed above salmon therefore they want you to eat more of it
Good news for breadbros. We are now heroes of the revolution as all lefties have to performatively eat 15lb of bread per day to show they hate the new triangle and love the old triangle
>>21823705I'm unironically worried about this
>>21821581>chocolate: avoid brands with soy ingredientsdoes he think soy derived lecithin is somehow different from other sources of lecithin
>>21822609>Show me any dietary guidelines that isn’t created by someone shilling somethingCanada Food Guide: Injun Edition:hunt wild game, catch wild fish, gather wild veg. can't exactly shill eating free food from the land.
>>21822146Anon, nothing really changed, just look at the actual numbersThey increased the proteins and lowered the carbs a little bit The overall partition is almost the same, they just used really bad infographics (or maybe they did it on purpose
>>21823802You're retarded. Refer to the numbers you're telling other people to check, since you clearly haven't yet yourself.
>>21821080what's that red stuff on top of the bowl of rice?
>>21823815that's raw beef tips in a bowl of milk
>>21823802>nothing changed>these things changedhave the doctors put your brain back in
>>21823771your wrong and also canadian, so you're double retarded.
>>21823815It’s kidney beans in skin sauce.>>21823816…>>21823815Disregard it’s jelly beans
>>21823815cottage cheese topped with beans
>>21823815rice with natto
>>21823831says the man who is angry about "shilling" but doesn't actually know what that means.
can I overdose on Broccoli?
>>21821081What is this supposed to be?
>>21823559If you’ve ever worked at a grocery store you would know that’s bullshit. It was eye opening the amount of waste that went on at the 3 I’ve worked for. We have a logistics/planning issue because no one gives a fuck.Also, it’s not like most people followed the stupid pyramid in the first place. Most people will probably stay the course on whatever they already doing.
>>21821775>when they rage at you for enjoying cheese yet you’re not contriving technology to destroy them in increasingly absurd and obvious ways
>>21823745Ask whoever made the infographic
>>21823865Panchagavya
>>21823865slop>>21823871>Also, it’s not like most people followed the stupid pyramid in the first placeTrue. The American diet is all ready pretty varied anyways. Main things that need to change is we need to stop consuming so much sugar and eat more vegetables. It amazes me the amount of grown-ass men I interact with who will ask for all the vegetables to be removed from their order at a restaurant like a baby. It's pathetic.
>>21821081>Tfw no food pyramid gf
>>21823865Teenage Adam Savage
>>21823828>>21823814With the "new" pyramid the energy macro partition is P: 18-25%F: 30-35%C:40-50%So it's basically the same shit you can find in any other guideline in western world with one caveat: carbs are slightly reduced (generally 55-60%) specifically to account for the prediabetes and diabete prevalence in the US The actual drawing is misleading
>>21823865Cookie dough
>>21823865Just another indicator that this blursed food pyramid was made with AI
>>21824493Hey retard, that's from a 9 year old image of the old food pyramid. >>21821081
>>21824340>make up completely incorrect percentages>state them as factWhat kind of mental illness is this?
>>21821080That like 40% fruit and veg, 40% meat and dairy, 20% bread. Yeah, I could et behind that.
>orange man bad>brainworm man bad>oooo this makes me angry!I really wish The Science would hurry up and figure out what makes people seethe at common sense statements like this just because the wrong people said them. I think they need help, but we can’t help them until we understand what’s wrong with them.
Eat bread to own the chuds
>>21821789Brown hands typed this
>>21821080You can always tell someone is a sedentary fat loser by their low carb fake news diets
>>21823316You're a retard >>>/fit/ to learn CICO is law the science is settled
>>21824564You should learn what punctuation is.
>>21824588>You should learn what punctuation is.
>>21821102I know a guy who was lactose intolerant. He still consumes milk and cheese anyway, he just uses lactose pills
>>21821080>nuts at bottom of pyramid>fruits are above carbs but still at the bottom>>21821772>then goes on to say you should eat nuts as a priority>>21821778>then goes on to tell you to eat more serving of carbs (2-4) than fruits (2)This is AI slop, isn't i t?
>>21824652Let me guess: certified retard?
>>21824657Sorry I hurt your feel feels, RFK jr! Hope your brain heals someday!
>>21824658Ah so you’re just being retarded on purpose because politics, got it
>>21824731>they're never right about anything>EXCEPT THIS ONE THING
>>21824652>This is AI slop, isn't i t?It isn't, it is all performative to own previous administrations and signalling how cool and different they are.They even changed the recommended amount of protein the second day the webpage was up. From 1.2-1-.7 grams per pound or so to the current one
>>21821081Whomever came up with these proportions should be tar & feathered then hung from a bridge. Imagine the millions of people harmed by this. Lives cut short from obesity. Trillions of dollars wasted in health care costs for decades. I can't even wrap my head around it.
>>21824819You are naive and dumb. Decades of having this in classrooms and doctor offices around the country has an impact on the greater population. People believing breads must be the foundation of their diet is significant.
>>21824811>Imagine the millions of people harmed by this.Nobody actually followed it. And even if they had, they would've been better off than a lot of people are now because of the high consumption of refined fat and sugar with limited fruit and vegetables.
>>21824826Not that anon, but I eat a ton of pasta and bread and am skinny because I watch my calories. There is absolutely nothing wrong with those foods unless you're a glutton with no self control.
>>21824826You're simple. Were people ever really limiting their intake of refined fat and sugar? Were they all regularly eating fruit and vegetables instead? No? Then they weren't following the food pyramid.Sorry to break your little fantasy where you solve the mystery and the person responsible but things are more complicated than blaming everything on the fucking food pyramid lmao
>>21821080>>21821081New ‘midSame Illuminati
>>21824832>There is absolutely nothing wrong with those foodsThere might be for some people. There is some correlation between obesity and people who produce low amounts of the enzyme to digest starch. It doesn't mean starchy foods are bad for everyone but for some people they may not be the best thing for them to eat.
>>21824859Niche cases aren't what I was referring to. You can find people with peanut allergies too but that doesn't mean that peanuts are inherently bad for you.
>>21824869>Niche>there are over 1 billion obese people
>>21821581>chicken OK every 10 days or soWhy does he dislike chicken so much?
>>21824837When did I say people adhered to the pyramid entirely? I am saying that when the govt for DECADES tells the population to strive to eat 6-11 servings of grains (which is EASILY 700-1200 calories a day) that that has a negative impact which is why they fucking changed it. People are retarded (such as yourself) and look to authorities for guidance on all sorts of things. So yes, this pyramid had a significant negative impact on millions of people. And to place some appropriate blame on the govt does not mean I am absolving anyone of the personal responsibility to maintain their own health/weight.
>>21821581What in the world are the supplements here - wtf is raw thyroid >>21824956I’m on board with that, chicken tastes gross desu
>>21824956chicken has PUFA which the ray peat diet is against for whatever reason. it would probably say skinless chicken breast is the best option.i don't really understand why the diet is against PUFA since omega 3 seems to show benefits and even omega 6 is an essential fatty acid, but saying something like soda is okay as long as it's made with cane sugar ignoring all the other unhealthy processed stuff in it.
>>21825051>When did I say people adhered to the pyramid entirely?You didn't. You said the adhered to it at all. Which they didn't. Penis. People aren't eating a lot of grains because of the food pyramid. People ate a lot of grains before the food pyramid. If people actually followed the food pyramid it would be healthier than the Standard American Diet that is closer to what people were actually eating. People put more attention on the food pyramid now than anyone ever really did back when it was current.
>>21825073People did and I know this because I was one of those people. I remember learning about the pyramid in elementary school. I remember my grandma referencing it to my siblings and me when we were growing up. Your uses of the words "follow" or "adhere" are inappropriate. If someone tried to eat 6 servings of grains but only ate 5 you say they didn't adhere to the pyramid. That is missing the point which is that that person used the pyramid recommendation as a goal for their diet and that recommendation led them to make a suboptimal choice. And the sum total of the millions of poorer choices people made (in part because of the pyramid) is significant.
>>21825117>If someone tried to eat 6 servings of grains but only ate 5 you say they didn't adhere to the pyramid.No, it's more like when it says to limit refined oil and sugar and yet people are consuming 500+ calories of them per day and eating less fruit and veg than it recommends and more ultra processed food, they're not adhering to it. Did you limit refined fats and sugar and eat 5-9 servings of fruit and veg and little to no ultra processed food? I don't really know why people get so overblown about the starch recommendations with it anyway. If I said "have a couple pieces of bread with each meal that includes meat/dairy/fruit/veg" people would probably take less offense to that, yet it would fall within the guidelines for the food pyramid. Things are complicated and the food pyramid isn't a perfect recommendation but it just seems like the current trendy thing to demonize and I don't think it's really helping anything much.
>>21821953>manganesea lot of people don't even know what that is
>>21824505They are correctCarbs are still the majority of calories intake Saturated fats are still limited at 10%
>>21823316> No they won't because humans are hormonal machines not thermodynamYou're correct, but still we can't violate thermodynamics CICO is what matters assuming you can perfectly measure the output and the output, which can't be done and the body is an adaptive systemBut the body cannot create energy out of itself (you can of course use less)
>>21821081this one came out in 2011
Why is America retarded? Just fucking copy Japan. Japan Obesity Rate: <5%Notice something about their pyramid?Exercise and Water #1Carbs like rice, not villainized and a stable to almost every dish. Supplemented with a lot of veg and only then you get into meats. Notice what's not at the top? Dairy, Cheese, Fats, Fruits lmao.
what makes you fat is sugar. not bread or beef or whatever sugar. and amerifats put hfc in everything. I doubt they even know how real food even tastes.
>>21825222>what makes you fat is sugar.Probably not. Sugar doesn't convert to body fat as readily. It has less calories per gram than fat. The combination of refined fat + refined sugar + refined starch especially in a low moisture food like a cookie is probably what leads to weight gain the most. People on fruitarian diets are generally underweight despite the very high sugar consumption. >not breadBread is starch which is basically the same as sugar.
>>21825227>Probably not. Sugar doesn't convert to body fat as readily. It has less calories per gram than fat.you eat more energy than you need. and probably eat more than you should if it's sugary. you build up an unnecessary caloric surplus over the years -> you get fat. not magic.and then there is the question about the addictive nature of sugar >Bread is starch which is basically the same as sugar.completely different metabolised. depending on the type of sugar it goes directly into the blood and spikes your insulin levels (bad) or even worse is fructose and fucks up your liver. meanwhile starch is broken down in your long intestine and takes forever. very slow absorption
>>21821080no fucking way that people are propogating an inverted triangle
>>21825217Food pyramid :|Food pyramid japan :O
>>21825222>what makes you fat is sugar. not bread>glucose + fructose is bad>glucose chains goodwhat next? Fruit is the devil too?
>>21825244well yeah. you should eat too much. but even so the energy density of fruits is very low and not like a cake.
>>21825239It's easier to hit a caloric surplus when you're adding refined fat to everything.>and then there is the question about the addictive nature of sugar It's not "addictive". It's just food. Hunter-gatherers will eat tons of honey and they're fine. What they're not doing is eating a ton of highly processed food altogether and remaining sedentary. Nobody gets fat from eating fruit, nobody gets addicted to fruit.> sugar it goes directly into the blood and spikes your insulin levels (bad) or even worse is fructose and fucks up your liver.Starch spikes your blood sugar more than sugar does because it's all glucose. Fructose goes to your liver but it doesn't inherently fuck it up unless you're severely overeating and obese at which point you're having problems with everything you consume, not just sugar.> starch is broken down in your long intestine and takes forever. very slow absorptionYeah it might digest slower but the easiest thing to overeat seems to be starch + refined fat. Just starch or sugar foods don't seem to trigger overeating and weight gain the same way.
>>21825254>Starch spikes your blood sugar more than sugar does because it's all glucose.it is absorbed much slower. it raises blood sugar but slower and doesnt give you a kick>Just starch or sugar foods don't seem to trigger overeating and weight gain the same way.please go ahead and try to gain weight on bread, pasta or potatoes. you need to eat a lot. a LOT. just go to fit and see anons whining about clean bulks.
>>21825134Your argument that the collective average American diet didn't meet pyramid standards, therefore, no one adhered to it is stupid.
>>21825283That's like half the food pyramid not being adhered to. The only thing people adhered to was eating meat and grain. People weren't eating meat and grain because of the food pyramid. You want to give credit for the half that aligned with the recommendation and ignore the other half which people weren't following and try to say people were actually using it? Get the fuck outta heeyah.
>>21823865organ meat. we're sitting down for a whole raw cow heart
>>21825222what made me fat is eating 4000 calories a day
>>21821115The whole point is steak and butter have an extremely high satiety index dumbass.Your body won't LET you overeat them. You'll not even want to look at food after eating 4kkcals of beef.Ghrelin! Leptin! Insulin! Once you understand these you can see exactly why the fucking food jews put seed oil and HFCS in fucking everything. It's cheap and it keeps the population sick.>>21821102The human beings that build Western civilization were all lactose tolerant.
>>21825135it's the made up bug noise language they use in anime right?
>>21822134>Sugar in fruit tastes good because it's good for us.Sugar in pudding, chocolate and candy also tastes good to us, you retard.
>>21823865Tripe, feet, livers... poor people food
>>21825386please tell me know know the difference between natural selection and product development.
>>21825296Literal midwit. To think years of shilling the pyramid had 0 impact on anyone anywhere in the US is comical. I'm honestly impressed you were able to solve the captchas.
>>21825401>umm you're DUMB it just did ok??alright
>>21824564CICO is law, but the insulin response is what makes so many people overeat.
>>21825073Adherence to government guidelines was and is mandatory for hospitals, schools, nursing homes and the military. Don't be stupid and claim the food pyramid has no effect.
>>21825389Even ignoring the atrocious grammar, that is a nonsense statement.
>>21825445>please tell me you knowhappy? couldn't figure that out? dumbass.
>>21824956Unsaturated fat>>21825062I grabbed the first image I found on google for the ray peat diet. Jesus fuck stop interrogating me over it.
>>21821102>I had a glass of milk with every meal until I was 18 and moved outI can't have dry milk powder and I drink only goat milk >T. 6'8" and Danish/Finnish(Russian)
>>21825217East asia suffers from similar rates of type 2 diabetes compared to fat countries though. It's like their bodies and ancestor spirits are trying to tell them to stop eating so much of the high glycemic carbs like white rice/white bread and desserts or sugary drinks because they really aren't built for it.Being able to rapidly gain bodyfat from eating an overload of high glycemic foods is a kind of safeguard against quickly developing type 2 diabetes, because the glucose is taken out of the blood faster. East asians have less forgiveness for negative high-sugar choices
>>21826126samefag, the overall health damage of those countries continuing to habitually eat a lot of white rice and/or refined white flour noodles instead of consciously curbing away from it might be quite a lot, since most are no longer laboring on farms or doing demanding craft work for physical exercise. If those who are pre-diabetic could replace some portions of white rice/noodles with lower glycemic carbs like steel cut oats or quinoa (some individuals mix rice and quinoa half and half in the rice cooker) or even beans, then that'd be good
>>21821102>66 percent of human beans have lactose intolerance.Just don't count the jeets and chinks and that drops down to 11% actually.
>>21821080No one will follow it, like with the last one.
>>21825446It's still a nonsense statement. That something tastes good does not mean it is good for us. It's not even true for natural foods.
>>21826324you do realize that the reason we evolved to prefer some tastes over others is because of natural selection, right? organisms that ate better had more success in passing on genetic material, once that had genes that made healthy food taste better ate more healthy foods.>but but but that doesn't work! tasty food is garbage today!welcome to the world of capitalism, where it's a race to make the cheapest slop artificially taste as good as it possibly can.
>>21824827>nobody actually followed it>substitute all the “healthy” carbs with shit like pop tarts, cereal, Doritos, the kidney stone tonics known as soft drinks, pizza, burgers, and all other manner of goyslopThey followed it. The macros at least. (((They))) were successful in that regard.
>>21826324>It's not even true for natural foods.It mostly is. There are some toxic berries that taste pleasant and things like that, but the number of pleasant tasting natural foods that are bad for us is pretty small compared to how many are good for us.
>>21823865Some kind of DIEversity starchy slop like Cassava glop or Poi or something abominable like jeet or Nigger "swallow food".Niggaslop
>>21826366>jeet or Nigger "swallow food".i think it's for sure organ meat in the picture but what the fuck are you talking about here, ive never heard of this in my life
>>21826526>i think it's for sure organ meatIt's listed under the starches."Swallow" foods are starchy foods which aren't mean to be chewed but dipped in something and swallowed for whatever reason. I'm guessing because it keeps them full longer that way. Seems to be somewhat common in Africa/India/Caribbean regions.It looks like it could be that. I think people are curious about swallow foods but I don't see it ever becoming really popular because even where they are more popular, not everyone agrees on how to eat it and some people chew it like anything else.
Guys I think we have to accept that cheese is not all that good for you
>>21821115>it's useless! >spoonfeed me! Though whole point of a food pyramid is to suggest a ratio of thee respective categories. This was the case of the old one, and it dtill is with this one. You're just being an obtuse contrarian faggot by pretending to not know this. Either that or you never understood this of the old one but didn't care to begin with and now you're being an ultra faggot that suddenly cares because you hate the source of it. Kys either way.
>woke sans serif font
>>21826126>>21826131Japan: obesity < 5% Japan: Risk of dying of chronic disease: 15-20%Japan: Life Expectancy: 85Japan: Centenarians per 100k people: 80.6Japan: Type 2 Diabetes rate: 8.1%US: Obesity: 40%US: Risk of dying of chronic disease: ~70%US: Life Expectancy: 78US: Centenarians per 100k people: 28.8US: Type 2 Diabetes rate: 10%b-B-b-BuT MuH tYpE 2 DiAbEtEs RaTe
>>21826931>Japan: obesity < 5%I read that Asians are metabolically obese at lower BMIs than other races for whatever reason. That they consider above 25 BMI to be obese for Asians but it's 30 for others. I'm sure it would still be well below 40% like in the USA though.Japan having a near similar rate of diabetes is still something to look into though. Obesity is the biggest risk factor in diabetes yet Japan is claimed to have a very low rate of obesity yet a similar rate of diabetes. No reason to get upset and overly defensive just because it's being discussed lol.
>>21826931I never said their problems are as bad as fat countries though, but the adjustments they could do are simply so easy. The other problem with type 2 diabetes is how it can affect the brain for people in their older decades and 1 out of 10 could be reduced to like 1 out of 30, or 1 out of 40
>>21827087Also, another part is that east asians have more discipline to actually do some mild changes if they're just shown repeatedly how to and that it can be important if they have some family history for insulin resistance. Americans in terms of the population at large... not so much without prescribing them a bunch of peptides to help
>>21825266>gain weight on bread, pasta or potatoesIt is extremely easy to overeat on pasta and bread. Have you never had a loaf of fresh bread, still warm from the oven?
>>21826331Dumbfuck idiot. The selection pressures our hunter-gatherer ancestors operated under does not magically make certain foods good for us. Honey is one example. For our ancestors that stuff was quite rare and valuable. That and the lower food availability limited the harms eating honey could have caused.And stop posting fat, ugly bitches.
>>21826354The number of natural foods that are bad for us in general is rather small, because then they wouldn't be foods, would they?
>>21821581>progesterone
>>21827290Your argument is that things that are good in small quantities might be bad in excess?Wowwee, that totally doesn’t apply to literally everything. Boy you’re retarded. Go put on your clown nose and dunce cap and go sit in your throne in the corner. While you’re there drink a couple gallons of water, there no way water can be bad for you right? Idiot.
>>21821115In the whole report released in general, it lists servings.
>>21827281you go ahead and eat 2k kcal in bread or pasta
>>21821080This was a south park bit from like 15 years ago.
>>21821927>Calories do not reset at midnightWhat's the plan? Mark a tally every ~forty seconds per calorie? Count resting heartbeats and multiply that by the percent of a calorie each burns?
>>21821102Lactose tolerance is the reason humans were able to advance past the Indus steppe in the first place. But knowledge is meaningless these days.
>>21822596https://youtu.be/e1VGzGcSqhAWondered where I had seen this face before thx anon
>>21827839My argument is that taste good =/= healthy, dumbfuck. If you have to specify 'in small quantities' then you can hardly call a food in general good for us.
>>21827863white rice is bad for you now?
>>21828046You don’t have an argument, you have a single debunked assertion. Deal with it brainlet.
>>21827876Take white bread for example. It's not very filling, but has quite a lot of calories. A classic case of empty calories. Nobody has a problem with eating a couple slices of white bread as a side to breakfast, lunch or dinner. If you eat 3 slices of white bread with every meal, you eat 600 calories. You'd have to eat an extra 300 grams of beef during your day to match that.Not impossible, but a lot more difficult than grabbing a slice of bread to snack on or grabbing two slices to mob up the sauce from your dinner.Meat keeps you full for longer.
>>21827911>What's the plan?Eating when you're genuinely hungry.
>>2182186480% of america is obese beacuse 70% of them are niggers and mexicans who eat nothing but garbage and sit on the couch melting their brain on tiktok.
>>21828571>genuinely hungryMeaningless statement
>>21821824This is gonna turn out like UK with them reversing changes because of the backlash.
>>21821102you must redeem lactose saar
>>21828960>My stomach is growling and I'm low on energy.You're hungry. Eat.>I'm bloated or I'm not hungry.Don't eat.Problem solved.
>>21821080The only people who gives a shit about this new announcement are people who already eat well, and know enough to nitpick and correct this new pyramid. Most are just going to continue live off Cheetos and Coke.
>>21829442I wonder if there's some way to program at a population that eating a lot of junk food and drinking a lot of sugary drinks habitually is low status and uncool. Most people logically know it's unhealthy on some level, but status games and constant posturing is more trendy now than ever
>>21829442These guidelines are mandatory for schools, hospitals and the military. They absolutely have an effect on millions of people.Just look at how widespread the grain based food pyramid is. Everybody knows it, few follow it. But it still influenced many peoples food choices to include more grains and less meat. Even if that averages out to only a 5-10% shift for the average person, on a population scale that is massive.
>>21829487Being fat is already low status and uncool, especially if it's obvious who can afford the cool GLP-1 drugs.
>>21823865Ice cream
