recommend valentines day wines, post what you're drinking during the super bowl :)
>>21875703>Early thread Anyways fuck wax seals
>>21875703>recommend valentines day wines,Port Valdouro Rose* Approachable* Engaging * Strong * Affordable Ports & Madeiras in general are recommended because they're so hilariously out of fashion you can pick up something incredibly drinkable and potent for cheap.
Got some parr stems
>>21875974How much are those? I have the speigelau definitions and wouldn't pay more per glass than those. >>21875703>valentines day wines Saint Amour Beaujolais ofc
>2011+15>implying I'm going to be anything other than alone on v-day as usualNormies don't like me. So I don't like normies.Anyway I'm drinking bairrada. Or will be once I pop this cork.
>>21876002I too will be alone as usual. Will probably pop one of the 2022 pulignys i have.
For me, it's Ridge.
>>21875983the two whites I've tasted on it are grossly outperforming my current stems, they're cheaper than spei def but i've only tasted out of those glasses a handful of times.
>>21875729They're fun to hit with a small hammer or butter knife.
>>21876270The trouble is the little particulates of broken wax get fucking everywhere in the kitchen.
>>21876286or worse, the rug
>>21876288or worse, the wine
>>21876286Exactly. Hate how it just flies all over the place.
>>21876609They need to put the wax on there to reassure the customer that there is nothing wrong with the cork and it's spozeduh taste that way
>>21876622I know you're joking but just get those new fancy corks.
>>21876625I mean I kind of made it up but I think it's pretty likely in the case of your oxidized meme wine, that they would do it as a preemptive quality statement since they were doing it before the internet
chenin for lunch
>>21876609Just do it over le garbàge.
Just had 2021 Esporao Monte VelhoPortuguese blendSmells like strawberry and pink pussy oh my goood I loooved it
Monday
>>21877343>pussy Fishy?Anyways seems interesting might get this if I see it. >>21877423I had the 2023 of this a few months ago and thought it was delicious.
>>21877426>Fishy?No, sweet and lovely
$10 vinho Verde
>>21877426>Fishy?Are you serious?
>>21879387this ain't bad tho, iirc i scored this high 80s, at worst ≥87/100
Had a 2020 Mount Eden Chardonnay Reserve for dinner tonight. Supposedly smoke rained but I couldn’t taste any smoke. Real nice wine.
>>21879371Kinda
>>21875703
>>21875703The our daily organic wines are way better than their $11-12 price tag suggests.
>>21879429>Organic You mean like natural wines?
>>21879431Naw these: https://ourdailywines.com/
how do i get into wine
Whoops sorry accidental post'
>>21879441Go to the liquor store and buy the cheapest of whatever style. That's it, you're set. The whole industry is filled with snake oil bullshit. You taste a bottle of one style, you've tasted the entire style. Sommeliers can't tell a $10 bottle from a $300 bottle so don't think that you will be able to.
>>21879505yeah but which styles
>>21879441try a lineup of wines, comparative tasting with different wines side by side is the best way to expose your palate do different stuff and get an understanding of what your preferences are. imho, lineups are the best.
>>21879441wine is not necessarily this bespoke/expensive artiste pursuit, it can just be a hobby. I remember seeing that wine quality levels out at ~$60/bottle, and you can have a downright great time with a $19 bottle. the super expensive prices are for rarity/novelty of flavor, not necessarily great taste. just buy some. you could go by a varietal chart and choose by weight. you could go by color, you could go by region, or by pairing. you'll eventually find one you like.a good amount of the fun is finding the different notes. it's why it's fun to drink wine with someone else. sure, wine tastes like wine, but maybe this wine makes a certain part of your tongue tingle like it does when you eat a blackberry. so you say "getting notes of blackberry" either as an ironic faggot or a genuine faggot, but it's fun. then the person you're with says "I'm getting notes of cherry", and maybe you notice those notes too, and agree, or disagree. nobody's definitively right because it's ultimately subjective. it's a little back and forth, a sense that you can share with someone. an anon here gave me this book rec and it's good, it's never steered me wrong. there's a good few chapters of writing at the front, and there's a chart at the back if you're finding pairings.
>>21879790>geroges duboeuf wine bookread this is frasier's voice
Posted in the last thread about being nervous for my WSET 3 exam.Good news, I passed. Thanks for the encouragement frens, celebrated with champagne and ghemme.
>>21880094based, happy for you anon
>>21880094nice :) congratulations!
>>21880094shoulda had a fuckin bud lite dude
>>21877434That's now how pussy smells. Pussy tastes like egg whites
>>21880575>Pussy tastes like egg whitestrue, with an ever so light touch of tang
>>21880577it's called VA
found a local place that has decent prices on the good stuff
>>21880624ZAYUMN
all kindsa wines out there. peanut nor
>>21880776just because it's crashing in napa doesn't mean it's crashing everywhere
>>21880776It isn’t crashing but it’s been contracting for several years.
>>21880776wines that were 200 a few years ago are 400 nowdoubt they'll ever drop back down to 200 but I hope lots of these conglomerates go bankruptI was in CA for work and saw giant burn piles everywhere of vines that were planted on the shittiest valley floor sites. Glad to see it.
>>21880776The market for expensive wine is growing, it's the goyslurp market that's contracting.
>>21881210I think it's more that wine is becoming more popular as an interest, but less popular as an everyday drink. You can still buy dirt cheap wine if you want it.
>>21881213zillenial hands typed this
What’re the top 5 red Italian grape varietals and is Montepulciano one of them?
>>21881248It better be. Prob top 2 for me. >>21880776Cause its DRC.
>>21881236You're correct. Your peers will be drinking wine when they get older, zoomie (unless you're a flyover).
>>21881248I would say Nebbiolo, Nerello Mascalese, Aglianico and Sangiovese are all better, but it might be number 5.
>>218812481. nebbiolo2. sangiovese3. nerello4. sagrantino5. agliancoI'd put montepulicano at 6 ahead of barbera at 7 followed by corvina, pelaverga and grignolino to round out the top 10.
>>21875703Wine is meant to be drunk watered down. the romans knew this. only poor people drank whine undiluted.
>>21881327nobody except germans do this today
Patagonia Pinot noir
>he's in the files
>>21882859real?
>>21882852I’ve never bothered with these since they’re like $7 when I could get nuri, ortiz, or bella for cheaper and pic rel has even less fish due to the potatoes, but also that recipe sounds pretty good guess I’ll have to give em a shotUhh kuentz-bas pinot blanc with last night’s cod fish and tonight’s videogamesHad to find the fish shaped arrangement of squares for the captcha kek
>>21882864Maybe
Napa Chenin Blanc
>>21875974>>21875983update, one already broke.
>>21883227DRUK
>>21883273literally bumped the base on a lamp shade as i picked it up from the end table and it fell off from the stem.>minus $30
>>21883196didnt even know those exist. >>21883227>>21883292rip. least it didnt break while washing...
Anybody else really like La Mozza? I don't think I've ever had a bad wine from them.
>>21883403no but this packaging is making me not want to try them
>>21883480I don't know, man, this is pretty good, you should give it a shot.
>>21883606Idk are you sure this isn't sloppa made for Americans?
>>21883627b-but it's a DOC! it's indicative of EVROPEAN TRADITION
Vinho Verde time
>>21880094Krug time
Will be drinking a chateauneuf by myself for Valentine’s Day :D
>>21884829which producer?
>>21884880Something st Martin ‘22
>>21886265Nice. What wine fridge?
>>21875729Screwtops are just better and I'm not going to pretend they aren't.
>>21879505this is only true for liquor store wine, when you start going to wineries and cellar doors you'll finally know what actual good wine tastes like
>>21886687artevino
>>21883403never had a ciliegiolo from tuscany, how do they compare to the ones from liguria?
rioja fucking sucks, this is straight up boomer juice
>>21887232drink some R. Lopez de Heredia you fucking plebe
>>21887232They hated Jesus because he spoke truth
yarra valley chardonnay with some age on it.... kinda good ngl
2021 Etna Rosso
>>21875974>>21883227>>21883273>>21883315AAAND the second one just broke, absolutely garbage.
I fucking love Barbera d'Asti
>>21889596are you washing them by hand? don't do that. dishwasher is better for delicate stuff, contrary to popular belief.
>>21889611I was doing a tasting, wine 24 or 24 on the day and i wiped off a bit of sticky finger prints on the bowl with a napkin and the stem snapped off.
>>21889596KWABSent from my 3-year old Spiegelau Definitions
>>21889608this
>>21889608I prefer d'alba cause theyre cheaper in my experience.
Walter Scott Chardonnay holy shit
>>21891530Sounds like something that I can't afford
>>21891535they ain't cheap
gavi di gavi
Bethel Heights Estate Chardonnay 2017
2022 Jadot beaujo village Yum
2011 buty ridivivia stones rock syrah, walla walla
>>21893592these stll crush with +10 years of age on them too, assuming they're stored correctly
>>21893621Can't say I've ever had a non-cru beajo that old. Good to know!
>>21893674oh ya, some anon in the last /vin/ thread posted about a 2015 moulin a vent that was singing and entering its drinking window.
>>21893687but that was a cru,a couple threads before I posted about a 2016 LJ bojo village half bottle that was still drinking well, although the 2019 I had alongside it was performing better.
A littel late night '22 Puligny action
>>21893734a 22 Puligny sounds kino jealous
>>21889596i think you need these
>>21881016industry is a shitshow everywhere but burgundy and champagne
>>21893768Feels like Italy still moves at a good volume.
>>21893768>Everywhere but the 2 best regions is doing shit Wonder why
Western Cape Syrah, got some age on her too, a 2015
>>21894938Sounds tasty.
2020 Thomas Barton Reserve Graves Blanc
is Rose & Arrow worth it?
Verdicchio di Matelica
Thinking Rosso di Montalcino this Friday night
>>21895201Never heard of it>>21896465Nice. I haven't had one in years
>>21896475hype pinot producer out of willamette, their single vineyard labels start at like $100
>>21896509>$100 for anything outside of Piedmont, Burgundy, or Champagne Lol lmao even
>>21896515No love for Tuscany or cult Cali?
>>21896516Tuscany you get top tier stuff at like 80 or (100 below)Napa is a scam. But maybe it's just cause I hate most of the Cali styles (their BDX and Chardonnays are not my cup of tea).
My order from Patricia Green Cellars came in yesterday and I popped a bottle of the 2023 Estate Pinot Noir last night. Just fantastic and as close to a daily drinker as I’ll ever get. Just great stuff.
>>21896524no. i'm talking about the sine qua non and saxums of cali
>>21896532patty green makes some good juice, is it an allocation? I just put in my clos selene order and I'm waiting on the tablas creek, dipping my toe into dunham cellars from washington too.
>>21896515>he's a prestigetard
>>21896977well you better have some prestige if you’re charging over $100 and competing with the big boys. a lot of these producers can fuck right off
Lambrusco time
>>21896977I'm not saying I agree with paying over a $100 for a bottle of NSG. But at least there's justifable worldwide demand for it. Over $100 for something from Oregon is just laughable. >>21898166I should get me some...
2021 Bruno Rocca Barbera d’Alba. It’s okay.
Going to Santa Ynez next weekend, what should I look out for?
>>21899157Our Lady of Guadeloupe (Single Vineyard Syrah is my favorite)Jonata with age if you can but that might be Ballard canyon nearby. TylerBonaccorsi Foxen low key has some great value reds, their Chenin is good too Sandhi for ChardonnaySea Smoke Hollus BollusPaul LatoI think Presquile and Au Bon Climat you can pass on but some people love that shit. Some of these aren’t in Santa Ynez but you’ll find them within 15 minutes of SYV. Go to Bell’s or Bar Le Cote if you can.
Someone explain the science behind red wine drunk. I have a really high alcohol tolerance but red wine not only gets me drunk fast but also makes me feel the best.
>>21899256Also, the more purple the wine is, the more I like it for whatever reason.
More Rhône
>>21899229Ty
>>21899322Diatom and the Hitch (or the Hilt?) make some good shit too, they’re the same producer.
>>21899302oh thats gonna be good. >>21899229>Au Bon Climatone of the most overrated producers maybe ever.
>>21899259This guy likes mega purple
>>21900270Ayo what's mega purple?
>>21900349
>>21889608/thread
first time in 25 years that no part of california is in drought, should have a classic vintage coming for some.
>>21900403Looks tasty.
>>21900403>What you get when someone brings a bottle of shitty California cab to your home
>>21900403>when she says she only drinks caymus
Gonna be organizing a team building at some villa. Two night stay. Can't decide on what (red) wine to get. Will need two bottles for myself and 2-3 for the other 15 people.
>>21900509what's the budget? 2-3 bottles for 15 people seems on the low end, I'd just get a half case of something easy to drink
>>21900510I don't have a budget. Nothing ridiculously overpriced obviously. Half a case would be what, 6 bottles? If I get a case, there's no variety though. What do you have in mind when you say easy to drink? I personally like full bodied wine. Kinda don't really care what the others would like that much, but I do wanna pick something more rare and interesting.
>>21900516Get a case of Mendoza Malbec, that can be like $100, absolutely under $150 for a dozen of very drinkable full bodied high altitude argentine wine.
>>21900519I'd say the low end is around $80 USD for a case of good malbec, that's what a good retail shop is paying for wholesale by the case if they got a good malbec plug
>>21900509>Will need two bottles for myself and 2-3 for the other 15 people.Kek
>>21900519Malbec is the one grape I haven't gotten to enjoy. I think it's because last time I had it it was a shit brand and I was in a bad mood. These prices don't mean much to me either since I'm in eastern yurop. Our selection and pricing seems to be quite different. I did have this one really great Argentinian Syrah once, but I don't think I can find it again. I'm thinking maybe something Italian like Primitivo. I could get Greek stuff like Xinomavro or Mavrodaphne too. I could also get some Bulgarian bottles but those revolve around the most popular grape in the world (?) Cabernet Sauvignon, or Mavrud, which I'm not the biggest fan of. The caveat there is that these will be cheaper for the same or better quality. A lot of them are also branded as natural wines, but I really don't know if that's just marketing or what difference it makes really, and if it's a benefit or not. Outside of bragging rights in front of the hoes anyways.Is Malbec the more popular choice in the US?>>21900551If I want to get drunk I do one bottle of red wine then go to the bar for cocktails and shots. Since I'll be with colleagues, I won't get wasted and a bottle a night will be just enough to keep me tipsy.
>>21900563oh ya if you're in eastern europe I'd recommend Primitivo. Malbec is the equivalent of that here on the west coast USA. If you want something weird you can get good Saperavi from Georgia or Blaufrankisch from Czech for crazy value, not sure what the selection is like in Bulgaria tho. I've had a decent Cab Franc from Bulgaria once.
>>21900565>Cab FrancYeah but that's a meme. Maybe I'll change my mind in the future, but that's just too light for no reason. I also get hate for not drinking white wine, but really what's the point? These recs seem cool. I'll see if I can find them and try them out before I commit. Guess more excuses to drink wine.
>>21900573the point of white wine is that it tastes good with seafood and is very refreshing in hot weather
I also need to find a new wine bar, because a couple of days ago I was pouring my last glass at my favorite bar and I placed the glass a little harder on the table and it just snapped at the stem. Spilled it allover the damn table. Now I'm embarrassed to go back. Look at this shit.
>>21900584What's really embarrassing is people saw you do that, and then saw you grab your phone to take a picture of it.
>>21900588No, what was REALLY embarrassing was me getting a roll of paper towels from the girl, cleaning a bit, then going back to her asking her for the same roll, just for her to tell me that it's right there on my table.
>>21900593youch.anyway, Massimo Lentsch Etna Bianco
>>21900584Just get a to-go bottle of some expensive shit, tip them generously and they'll forget it ever happened.
>>21900584Glasses break it's normal
22 St. Emilion
2013 Tondonia
Colli Bolognesi Pignoletto NVbreddy gud; SUPER fucking vanilla / cream taste mindfucks me into thinking it's sweet but it's at least as low g/L sugar to qualify as brut
>>21901272does the bourbon barrel flavor drop out of rioja with age?
really only like cabernet sauvignonAny other varieties of similar wine i could get into? I prefer dryer. Same goes for a white give me something dry.
>>21902467Barolo or barbaresco. Sorry about your wallet.
>>21902473Not a factor in my case
>>21902484In that case, congratulations to your local liquor store owner.
>>21902493I will be sure to put there kids through college. All 3 of them.
>>21901502The oak? No.Try the Crianza or Bosconia (which I prefer).
>>21899256Its the drunkenness that only the greek gods prefered.
>>21902467Merlot obviously
>>21900403I wonder how far this would stretch for a brewerhttps://www.napafermentation.com/store/p647/wine-grape-concentrate-hi-color-purple-8000.html
The Ukranian barista at my favorite place is leaving. He made great coffee and was chill as heck. Shout out him. I'll miss lil bro. Praying his replacement isn't some weird specimen.
>>21903398Get him some bubbles then shieet
Just had the worst bottle of Pinot Noir.
>>21903404Wait this isn't my tab for the dam coffee general. I got baited by this dude's >>2190251 pepe. Now my post got wasted and I can't repost it, because it would be embarrassing...
Wtf is a cotes de toul?
>>21904317>cotes de touhttps://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-cotes+de+toulhttps://en.winedexer.com/top-100-wine/france/moselle/cotes-de-toul
>>21903406>Buying Pinot noir from California
>>21904328Seriously
>>21891530Eola-Amity master race
>>21875703/vin/ - OP’s favorite wine edition
Leave Tuscan hate in 2025
>>21904328Santa Ynez produces great PN
>>21905479>Cock wine
>>21905516Yes, there’s a big black cock on the neck.
>>21905479>ChiantiI thought we agreed this wine died with the boomers
>>21905589Relax, here’s your emotional support cru bojo with age on it
>>21905675Looks amazing my favorite Cru too
Chilean Chardonnay time
>>21881248Depends on what metrics you use to consider Top 5. In terms of popularity id imagine itd be between>Sangiovese>Nebbiolo>Primitivo>Barbera>Lambrusco di (insert village name here)In terms of what i think is the best by quality outputs id keep the first two and throw in>Aglianico>Verduno Pelaverga>Canaiolo
Day old Pinot Ya
James Rahn Dion Vineyard Syrah 2020
>>21906798No nerello? Sagrantino?
what are some good sweet reds?
>>21907709Port, Banyuls, Recioto della Valpolicella, the list goes on...
>>21907709Zinfandel
>>21907709Xinomavro
Yeah it’s a Muscadet day
>>21907709Random cheap California cabernet
>>21905675Funny, I just got a julienas today. Am I going to like it? It was like $18 so if it has that bojo taste, like someone washed a doberman with it and strained it through an old sock, I can live with that
>>21908972Update: it tastes really good but it does have that smell like something went wrong. It's more "sophisticated" but between this and the generic VdF gamay noir I had yesterday, it's a wash
>>21908972>>21909011It's like the value equivalent of Savigny to the Gevrey Chambertin (Morgon).Its a good value Cru. Least the ones I've had.
>>21909025T B H Senpai fleurie is the only one that seems to consistently push all the right buttons without pushing any of the wrong ones. And that includes morgon, which apparently has filtered me
>>21909027What I should have said was Morgon/Fleurie since they're usually both the most prized. I actually prefer Chenas/Julienas/Moulin
>>21909058Moulin seems to me at least as expensive as morgon
>>21909011the guy that bought the julienas >>21905675 i thought it was good but i think it lacked structure like most gamay, I haven't tasted fleurie yet but I think molin is still the only cru worth buying, morgon are often completely spineless--like wine for sour beer drinkers, the other end of the spectrum to say rioja, which is wine for bourbon drinkers--although i like the tannins on julienas, I think it's not as interesting as molin, the structure doesn't even compare imho. I think gamay in general struggles to achieve balance because the structure the grip is just so pathetic, I think there's a reason it often sells at lower price point than ploussard, trousseau and mondeause of similar quality, and that's not even mentioning the weirder reds you can get out of austria, northern italy and swtizerland these days which are only recently beginning to climb in price and gain recognition outside of europe. also, malvasia bianca from paso robles tonight
Pinot Grigio is by far the most overhated varietal of 2026. You niggas drop hundreds on Vosne-Romanee that taste like wet rocks and nothing else but will list a dozen flavor notes for an Alto-Adige PG with structure, edges and grip and say it isn't worth the $15.99 retail price.
>>21909254are you that guy who keeps sperging about how rioja tastes like bourbon barrel stout? I'm not exactly a rioja stan, I probably drink it 3x a year at best but I do think your view of rioja is a little bit eh... tescoswiss wine is a novelty at best. you could wipe out all the wines on earth and leave only northern italy and austria and I could probably live with that. wipe out swiss wine and I'd just shrug
>>21907708I find both are overrated, especially Nerello. Although i prefer Umbria and Sicilian white wines way more than reds. Paolo Bea does a good Sagrantino but i find most other producers make that grape very boring and dont make it fun. Aglianico i find has way more stylistic range from glouglou to serious long elevage styles, same with Canaiolo, and Pelaverga i find is becoming the new hotness grape in Piedmont given how every single one ive had has been remarkable unless Grignolino starts taking off.
>>21909367Pinot on skins is pretty top but i still prefer Pinot Bianco/Pinot Blanc and other Friuli grapes like Tokaj Friulano and Ribolla Gialla.Pic related is insane Pinot Blanc even if its not technically stylistically accurate.
>>21909367italian PG is one of those things I try every few years to double check if I was wrong, like with australian or south african wine. I think my last try was some meme PG from a 5000 year old monestary that was like $25 and it was mid. and that's better than I remember it being but for $25 I could get much better eye talian white wines. I will say it was better than the "kerner" which I am glad I checked off my list of second tier grapes to try, so I can never drink it again.so in conclusion italian pinot grigio deserves all the hate, and then some. loire is all a guy needs. fight me.
>>21909531sorry I meant alsace, the south africa thing accidentally put my word salad generator in chenin blanc mode
>the pernand-vergelesses was oxidized
>>21909367Easily my least favorite major grape.Just awful.>>21909072Maybe, I don't see it as much where I am tbf.
can't decide what to open
>>21909526seek out this sagrantino
>>21910592>That bottle of Brunello that's been sitting in your home for 2 years.That one
>>21910604never.
>>21909504Rioja Blanco is nice.
>>21910740The Cvne one is good
>>21910812I had this a bunch. Not sure if I'm tired of it but it's just aight.
>>21910600Noted. Thanks for the recco.
>>21875703New here, is this the vinegar general?
>>21911380It is 3 days after the first post ya
>>21911380Yes we like Austrian wine here.
>had clairette de Die this weekend at a birthday>could distinctly taste muscat in it>check clairette's cultivar: it's muscat petit grainI can trust my palate. Feelsgoodman. I hope you too.
>>21912694This happened to me last weekend tasting old vine zin in a Sonoma cab blend with 4% zin
>>21912819You sure you weren't tasting something else like mega purple? 4% is hardly enough to punch through legacy cab
>>21912832No the color was deep ruby.
>>21912694Based Having Etna Rosso tonight
2017 pouilly-fusse showing some oxidation :/
>>21913736Rip
>>21913746I'm 1 for 4 this year regarding white Burgundy with +5 years of age on it
>>21913752None of my white burgs get past 5 years
>>21913806My 2014 and 2017 Chablis still drinking well last i checked during the super bowl.>>21909531>>21909707Cool, now show /vin/ all the neutral mute white burg you've blown your paycheck on.
>>21914015Had this 2020 of this recently. I like good white grapes :)
>>21914030the flav in leflaive stands for flavor
/winos/, I think I outgrew gruet. I used to drink quite a bit of it when I was first getting into bubbly but I got a bottle this weekend and it was almost offensively soulless. why did I ever think this was good.it reminds me of when I went back to aussie wine after moving on to other things. the days of innocence and cheap bottles are over.
>>21914487i still bring a bottle of gruet with me on the golf course in case i get paired with someone, im not pouring nice shit for randos
>>21914487Thats because typical American bubbly is mostly dogshit and they make it from grapes grown in places that are too hot and don't retain enough acidity when phenolically ripe. Ive had some good petnats but they don't really know how to do proper trad method. Honestly just stick to Corpinnat or Franciacorta if you want high quality but cheaper bubbles.>>21909504>are you that guy who keeps sperging about how rioja tastes like bourbon barrel stout?Unironically I can kinda see that from Toro and Ribera del Duero stuff thats high octane like Pintia.Also I think the issue with Swiss wine is that its way too expensive compared to its neighbours in France, Italy, Germany and Austria. Their ciders are pretty good though and stand neck-to-neck with Brittany.>>21909254>morgon are often completely spineless--like wine for sour beer drinkersI personally prefer Fleurie but top Lapierre cuvees are far from spineless. Maybe you prefer hot years from Beaujolais so maybe look into '20 and '22 Morgon.>think there's a reason it often sells at lower price point than ploussard, trousseau and mondeause of similar qualityIts because Jura and Savoie are becoming massively hyped by French wine drinkers. Ive had tons of wine from both areas, some Jura is worth the hype but most are massively overpriced and Savoie has a handful of producers who make shit anywhere close to being worth the sticker price in Paris or Marseille shops.Jurancon will probably end up being the next victim of Parisian price gouging.
>>21914630>JuranconYes the manseng is good.
>>21914734Bone dry Manseng when it gets salinic is so fucking good especially with charcoal grilled scallops. That and Jacquiere was my go-to when I was in Nantes even moreso than Muscadet and shit was ridiculously good.
>>21915333Jacquère*
2023 Maranges >>21914630Agreed Jura and Savoie is way too expensive for what it is
Got some Romanian shit at the polish joint
>/alc/ is kill>/cock/ threads never take off and die>/vin/ and /wg/ still persist/ck/ is a cruel and unforgiving board for the cocktail appreciator. I just bought a liter of Carpano Antica if you even fucking care........
>>21915754nice, make a boulevardier on my behalf, preferably with a higher proof rye
>>21915754just post liquor stuff in /wg/ fuck em we don’t need to talk about scotch vs bourbon consolewar shit for the 1000th timealso I have that same vermouth. Some guy recommended it to me once and I was like “oh I’ll have to check it out” and when I got home later realized that apparently I had been buying it for years and I just never bothered to read the text embedded in the ornate label kek
>>21915754Try>>>/lgbt/
>>21915444I miss when Jura was cheap....
>>21914630penedes has never done me wrong, today I got a bottle of xarel lo bubbly and an ossie sekt made from gruner veltliner. I don't like GV in general but maybe it sucks less in sekt, that's what I am to find out
>>21899157in today's topic of no one gives a shit, pic related was the best I had on my trip, though a nice sunny day definitely contributed to thathttps://www.rideauvineyard.com/product/2022-blanc-de-blancs
>>21917081interesting
Yo guys I'm at the wine bar and I think I got served bad wine. I asked the guy if a bottle of so called organic red wine from 2019 would be ok and he said yah. Color looks passable but it smells like blue cheese/paint and it tastes kinda sour and bitter like vinigger. Not sureif it's an "organic" wine specific or if it's really bad. I really need to take a wine course. I asked a cougar next to me for her opinion and she said she'd drink it but it's on the brink of going bad. Hopefullym I didn't get an aura point deduction bt I returned it.
>>21917869yeah that's just natty wine. what happened is that wine technology got pretty advanced in the 90s and it ended up getting overused to the point where all wine started to taste pretty much the same. there was a huge backlash against this and certain wine critics (what we now call 'influencers') promoted the idea that the more a wine deviated from the generic international style, the better it was, somehowthis started off ok but eventually it spiraled into who could produce the most cloudy, rotten-smelling, dirty socks tasting vinegar. bonus points if it has unplanned amounts of fizz (we call that 'pet-nat') or if it's a white grape made in a red wine style for no particular reason, or a red wine made in a white wine style, again for no particular reasonso now we have a whole generation of millennials raised to think good clean tasting wine is a defect and if you can drink an offensive smelling wine without visibly gagging it means you're a sophisticated alice feiringthe solution is to ask if a wine is 'natty' and if it is, order something else
>>21916445What would you consider being cheap price for Jura? I'm a local so curious to see how much it's sold abroad or in other parts of the country
>>21917901>red wine made in a white wine stylesuch as? colder fermentation temperatures?
>>21917901Yo bro it's hours later and i'm literally hammered and about to die from alcohol poisoning any time soon, so excuse the typos and bad grammar. Is natural wine really a piece of fucking shit? i really need to take a wine course or whatever to start actually understanding things, considering how much I drink wine, but I was under the impressionm that natural wine was superior. At least after I had a bottle of natural red sangiovese I think it was last week and it was really good. I just saw online that it was different or whatever, I can't articulate my thoughts right now. The wine I had last week was different compared to what I've tried before, but it still had the taste of wine. This bottle today had the taste of an asshole god damn it. I'm praying I'm not retarded, because the dude tried gaslighting me by saying it's just not my cup of tea, instead of admitting the wine was bad, and it would be a terrible aura loss for me if the boss tries it after and says I'm a dumb fuck and that's how that s]pecific wine was supposed to taste. The guy himself did say he worked there part time and didn't really know about wine though. It didn't taste like bad wine even. It tasted like something that's not fucking wine. Tasted like how I imagine bleach would taste.Anyways, I went to the regular bar after to get FUCKING WASTED, and the bartender there told me that natural wine is a fucking meme and that I should stay away.[ Kind of like what you said. I had no idea really.>the more a wine deviated from the generic international style, the better it was, somehowLike I get it, but this one tasted lie green paint with glitter in it if you get what I mean.>he most cloudy, rotten-smelling, dirty socks tasting vinegarLITERALLY>bonus points if it has unplanned amounts of fizzNot sure because I had like 3 sips of the first glass before I returned it, but I did notice that it looked extra fizzy.
>>21918272>Drinking natty wine Ngmi
>>21918312Well I was trying it but I returned tbe bottle and I got a new one with primitivo in it and it hit pretty well.
what red wine makes you the sleepiest?
>>21918610Unironically cab sauv.
Bandol tonight
>>21918610Amarone
>>21918610rioja, i'd rather sleep than drink that shit
I do no care for Bordeaux.>>21919027But I do like Rioja (least the traditional ones, with less oakmaxxing)
Wahluke Merlot
>>21919673>>21919027you're supposed to let it age for a while, buy better brands where they age it for you if you're having trouble. it's so weird watching bongs discover oak isn't always good, considering how they'll sacrifice their firstborn for the CDP that tastes like someone added a bottle of vanilla extract
>>21920773Hmm I've never had an overly oaky CdP. The only Rioja that I've had that's not overly oaky is like R Lopez, Cvne and Muga.
>>21920801If you don't taste the spirit of 90s california cougar juice in a glass of muga blanco your mouth is broken
>>21920846Tbf I've never had Muga blanco yet. Have had thet Tondonia and Cvne Blancos though.
>>21920895tondonia blanco gran reserva has very distinct coconut flavors that can only have come from oak barrels, it's just well integrated because of the age
>>21920773>like someone added a bottle of vanilla extracthad a $20 bottle of rioja ~8 yrs old (iirc 3-4 yrs in barrel rest in bottle) because the thread was talking about it. Couldn’t find LdH or Cvne and knew what I was getting myself into but still holy FUCKING christ I could not believe the amount of vanilla. How in the fuck does oak even contain that much vanillin it’s insane. I’ve never tasted that in e.g. a whiskey
>>21920801>>21920846What a coincidence I’m this guy >>21921232 and when I bought the red (‘18 Covila Reserva, so correction it was 2 years in barrel) I also picked up a white which turns out to be Muga. Even more coincidentally I had already planned on drinking it today, will report back. Also snagged a priorat (‘20 black slate porrera) clocking in at 15% holy christ.Finally, I had a franciacorta last night it was alright.
>>21921402don't expect rombauer, I'm just saying it's not rias baixas. there is unmistakable oak, not to mention unmistakable evidence of malo
>>21921439Yeah. ‘23 and it’s definitely got a creamy texture with some vanilla but certainly kor overpowering like that red. Some minerality / sulfur maybe, honey and stonefruit. Overall it’s alright but seems kind of dime a dozen
>>21921665not overpowering*
>>21921665That's how I feel about every rioja white.
>>21921665it's a $15 white wine, you could do a lot worse but it's best to keep your expectations reasonable>>21921790the good stuff is limited production and the demand is high, unless you want to spend real money and go to relatively nice shops, it might as well not exist
2021 chenas tonight. I don't think I've tasted a bojo this old before. the freshness is gone but I can sort of understand why people say some bojo crus age well
>>21875974are those liquidfied farts he's sniffing?
>>21921854Only time I've been super impressed by a white rioja was the tondonia one I had a few years ago. But pricey. So I'll just stick to white burgs at the equivalent price. This is probably one of the ((good stuff)) you were referring to?
>>21921854>it's a $15 white wine, you could do a lot worse but it's best to keep your expectations reasonableof course. every now and then you’ll find $15 wines that stand out but that’s obviously the exception. Nothing against the wine as I said it’s fine, surely someone’s go-to, just not mine
2022 Colchagua Carmenere
>>21917869Sounds like a more reductive zero-zero red thats had some malo. Honestly if you think its not acceptable you’re in the right to send it back cause the bar would rather keep good reputation than take a hit on a 5oz.>>21917994Here in Leafland a typical Jura wine is usually no less than $65 CAD/€42 which would get you entry level or negoc stuff like the more basic Les Valseuses bottlings. Whenever id see Labet here it usually came in just north of €75 which is sad as i also know some shops in Arbois that sell similar quality smaller producers for less than half that price. Still sad i missed out on a bottle of Lannay when i had the chance.
>>21922035yeah, all the heredia white and rose wines are knock-your-socks-off tier. I haven't bought any since the normoids found out about them and pumped the prices so high you need a 30 year mortgage to buy one but man, those were good wines. still are, I assume. not like I'll ever know
>>21918272You’re probably drinking bad zero/zero wine from a producer that likely doesnt keep their cellar clean.If you want cleaner natural wine try anything from Catherine and Pierre Breton in the Loire or Victor Sornin in Beaujolais. If you want heavier red Domaine de L’Ecu does good cheap Syrah.
>>21918024no I mean like turley's dry white zinfandel, I'm not saying it's a bad wine, but it isn't necessary, other than to prove it's possible, and to be a contrarian hipster shithead. semi-sweet blanc de noirs still wines were invented for a reason and that's because they're delicious, they just got a bad rap because there's so much bottom shelf box wine made in that style. if turley really wants to be an iconoclast and "rock the boat" they should make a semi-sweet white zin, but they won't because they're pussies.
all my spring allocations bum rushing me at the same time, the cellar deepens...
Here’s an actual good Spanish white
