I saw a video a few years ago where Arnold Schwarzenegger said that everybody ought to have a stogie after dinner. I was intrigued, and have since tried a few different blends and methods of smoking. The closest I've previously come to truly enjoying smoking is with a pack of yellow American spirits, but despite the nice taste of that tobacco blend, they still have a lot of the harsh notes I've noticed with cigarettes. I've only recently found a tobacco product I absolutely loved all the way through (picrel: the Oliva serie O perfecto), but unfortunately, I'm a brokie and can't afford to have one every night. To that end, I'd like to get some help finding something to smoke that's a bit more affordable.So, ITT: we discuss *smokeable* tobacco products to follow dinner, with a focus on quality and budget-friendliness.
the best tobacco product to follow dinner is none at all because smoking fucks your taste buds, plebian addict
I've been rolling my own cigars... getting pretty decent at it - the criollo/habano maduro perfectos took about a month to do their thing, but they wound up on par with what I pay $15-20/ for at the local tobacconist.Can't even give the fucking things away, so when my quarter pounds of broadleaf and estelli get here, I'm going to fuck around a bit to find a combo I like, make a few, and probably roll one once in a blue moon after that I don't get rusty.
>>21876923Any cheap tobacco product is gonna be shit m8, a cheap cigar is gonna be way harder than an average cig.Id say Romeo and Juliet tier is probably the cheapest you could get away with but I think thats Cuban so dont know if burgers/Epsteinites can get them
>>21876931I don't even bother most nights, and never inhale. Objectively not a tobacco addict by any definition.>>21876940Agreed, but not sure why you felt the need to sperg out at the end like a /pol/tard. I'll look into them, though. How do they compare in terms of flavour etc to my only currently known preference?>>21876934Do you know what you're effectively paying to roll your own? It's a bit more effort than I wanted to exert, but I'm potentially fine with that if the return is good. Also, feel free to send em to me lmao
>>21876923Tobacco's bad, mkay?
>>21876962I mean... a pound is a lot of leaves. Even after all the extortion, I'm paying maybe $5 per.
>>21876923Anything by JC Newman, but the American is the GOAT
>>21876967>I saw a video a few years agosays nothing about when the footage was taken, or when the video was uploaded. Have a cigar and try again.
>>21876964Half of everything that's enjoyable is bad. I'm not gonna avoid it all so I can live a few more years while making my own efforts pointless by living the most boring, sterile life possible. I'm not inhaling, so I won't get lung cancer, and any other cancer it can give me can be easily dealt with. All further responses from redditors will be ignored.>>21876967>>21876977Saw the video less than 5 years ago. Maybe he was younger, but>quit smoking in his 80sI'm fine with multiple decades of enjoyment before I have to bail for health reasons>>21876971Nice, that's very affordable for good quality. Might just start rolling, then
>>21876976Cheers anon, will look into it
>>21876996Like I said, a pound is a lot of leaves... You can get smaller samplers at a bit of markup, or whole pound kits. I'm a few hundred in, and it's not like I spent a lot on my humidor or chaveta. Gum arabic and Bermacoll (food-safe glues) are dirt cheap, distilled water's really cheap when you own a still. It's going to take me a long time to (literally) burn through all this tobacco.
>>21876996>>21877016I guess it helps if I actually state the point I was trying to get to...You need at least three leaves for even the smallest cigar - they can be cut down, but they need to perform certain functions, and asking that of less than three leaves is a serious ask.Outside in:>WrapperUsed moistened and pliable - the part on the outside - looks good, provides a lot of the aroma to your smoke, and almost all of the aroma before it's lit.>BinderAlso used moistened and pliable. Holds the insides together. Can be skipped, but the cigar will probably wind up lumpy. Can be another (part of a) wrapper leaf, but it makes sense to use something a little cheaper here that complements the wrapper.>VoladoCan be subbed with Seco. Helps the cigar burn well, doesn't contribute a lot to flavour or aroma>SecoCan be skipped (if using volado). A bit of aroma - on the lighter and sweeter end, mostly just helps things burn. The cigars might tend to go out quickly if left unattended or possibly canoe if you use these instead of volado, but you might wind up with a really dense or thick cigar if you use both.>VisoCan skip if using seco and ligero. Helps to balance out the cigar - provides some mid range and even sweetness to the flavour and aroma which can help rein in some more extreme ligero filler.>Ligero Heavy flavours and aroma, can provide some sweetness depending on the leaf and processing, but tends more toward spice and pungency. If you skip these for viso and seco, you'll get an easy-smoking cigar, but it might wind up kind of boring.It becomes a bit of a balancing act between these - what can you fit into your cigar - like a 6"x50 might get 3-4 half-leaves in the filler - depending on size - with a good amount of feng-shui popping the ragged ends back into the middle to smooth out the bundle, and you'll still trim maybe half an inch off either end.
>>21876923Have you seen the video where Arnold Schwarzenegger says every man should suck a dick to completion and eat the cum at least once in his life?
>rolling your own cigars
>>21876923You can try something like Drew Estate's Factory Smokes. They're super cheap but still hand rolled premium cigars. A box can be had for like $40 or so which comes out to $2 a stick. Another option is cigarillos. Most of the big names in cigars will make their own lines of cigarillos which will be significantly cheaper than full size cigars while still offering high quality tobacco.
>>21876923>>21877250Me again, I also forgot to add these. https://www.cigarsinternational.com/p/oliva-2nds-cigars/1488200/These are factory rejected cigars from Oliva. This is another thing some big cigar makers do. They'll roll hundreds of cigars and sometimes they come out crooked or blemished or otherwise physically imperfect and those just get tossed aside. In order to limit waste some manufacturers sell these rolling floor rejects as "2nds". It's the exact same tobacco and blend as their full price lines but sold at a discount for not meeting their aesthetical standards. This is a very cheap way to get premium tobacco provided you don't mind them being unbanded and physically imperfect. Generally speaking they should smoke and taste just as good as their full price counterparts. The downside is they don't tell you which line of the 2nds correlates to which of Oliva's official lines, so it can take some trial and error or internet research if you're trying to get rejects from an exact line of theirs.
my punk gay ass can only smoke it when im drunk, otherwhise i get weak and not in a fun way
>>21876923>tobacco is foodoh boy here we go again ingesting toxic plants
>>21877174>we don't do things here
>>21877301Like beans, coffee, chili, cacao, potatoes, and rhubarb?It's more common than you might think.
>>21877301this motherfucker drinkin frank's again
>>21877321When was the last time you ate tobacco?
>>21877345Had it in my aunt chilada this morning.
>>21876923I buy alot of these to keep my humidor stocked. Keeps prices down in the 5 bucks a stick range. I dont quiet get the economics of these 2 cigar bundle deals, but its legit I have been buying them for years. https://mikescigars.com/double-stacks
>>21876940>EpsteinitesKek
I smoked cigars for a year or two after high school, then I had one of my old favorite brands after a five year break and I hated it. Maybe it had to do with the high school fagginess.
Itt: poor taste
>>21878056What's a good humidor to buy? I don't smoke a lot, but all the shitty vape stores by me don't understand how humidity works and getting cigars is always a crapshoot. The closest actual tobacconist is over 30 minutes away. I need something small so I can buy a few and not have to worry if they're gonna be dry or not.
>>21876923PIPE TOBACCOit is a better smoking experience than literally any other form of tobacco. If you have EVER enjoyed tobacco, you will enjoy pipe smoke much more than that. The flavor is indescribably different, the nicotine content is lower so you can spend more time contemplating without feeling like shit, and it’s MUCH cheaper than cigars (even if you buy VERY premium tobacco)>pic rel is my favorite blend. Could probably say a lot more about pipe smoking if anybody gave a fuck
>>21880304too complicated for most, for cigars you can just go inna shop, buy a cigar and smoke it, for pipes you need a good pipe tobacco, a fitting pipe, pipe tools, pipe lighter and you need to know how to pack a pipe and how to maintain it.that is more brain capacity than most here have
>>21880406>pipe lighteri've had a churchwarden for 13 years and i am just hearing of these now. what a joke lmao. just use a cheap bic, you're not going to get burnt. though some of them look kinda nice...
>>21880406>pipe lighterKek no you do not need that. A poker pipe and tamper is fine (poker and tamper are frequently 2 ends of same tool) Packing a pipe takes 5 minutes to learn from an old fuck boomer on YouTube.Cigars look like dicks, are way too strong, and are expensive on the most retarded imaginable basis. “Handrolled” is the first upgrade for most cigar smokers and even that is stupid. It introduces unnecessary cost. Also, the tobacco must be grown into very specific shapes and with specific burn properties in order to be the wrapper or filling, both of which are obviously different in nature. This also introduces unnecessary cost. You’re paying for a type of farming that makes the shit able to be wrapped and smoked like that in the first place.Pipe tobacco has no associated issue. The tobacco must have certain properties when smoked, but then it gets ribbon cut or whatever. You can get 2oz cans of wildly premium Danish blend for ~15 dollars USDOh and also everyone around doesn’t think you stink like dogshit and the smoke dissipates 5x as fast
>>21880295Don't buy a cheap desk top humidor. You have to spend serious money to get one that's built well enough to work. If you want something cheap just buy any high quality glass Tupperware with a plastic gasket or seal. Put your cigars in there along with a bovida pack and that will work well enough. Also make sure to get a cheap hygrometer off Amazon so you know what the humidity is at. 65-70% is the general rule of thumb if you don't already know.
>>21880426>churchwardenLooking at your LOTR pipe twice a year don't make you a pipe smoker. You're wrong, BICs work very poorly for pipe, buy a Clipper they are much better and bong smokers choice for a reason.
>>21880426>>21880460I don’t even understand this issue. You just need to be able to softly pull a flame to the tobacco. Bic works just fine, though clipper probably is a little betterCan easily be done with a match after burning off the strike end a bit. Could probably be done with a slightly flaming piece of paper if you needed to or a flaming twig from a campfire. Literally no more difficult than a cigarette, just different procedure for full light.
>>21880477>I don’t even understand this issue.Yeah I know, because you're not a pipe smoker. You'd burnt your fingers dozens of times trying to relight a pipe outdoors with some wind and you'd understand why BICs are bad and matches even worse. Then you'd also understand why every pipe shop offers pipe lighters.
>>21880477You wouldn't want to use a standard lighter though, same for cigars. A pipe is best lit with a match, and for stogies you can use that or a torch lighter. The fuel from a standard lighter burns too slowly and negatively affects the taste of the tobacco
>>21880491All of that shit is made up and regardedIt takes less than 5 minutes to pack and light a pipe that stays going until white ash. Having to EVER relight a pipe is the same skill issue as lighting a cigar such that it canoes into an unsmokable mess. You avoid it by not being retarded.If the properties of a tiny burning ember in a pot of wood are far too complicated for you, that’s fine, but it’s caveman-level intelligence.
>>21880502>It takes less than 5 minutestakes me about 30 seconds, but then I'm not smoking my LOTER churchwarden on the porch twice a year.
>>21880460i smoke churchwarden at least monthly whereas you smoke cock daily. keep wasting your money on snake oil.
>>21880491>You'd burnt your fingers dozens of times trying to relight a pipe outdoors with some wind and you'd understand why BICs are bad and matches even worseAhoy sailer, you just came in to port after an Atlantic hurricane? I somehow manage with matches and my fingers, no need to overcomplicate things.
>>21880563SMOKING KILLS - QUIT NOW
>>21880568For some reason I'm still alive and I want my money back, damn it.
>>21877301There really isn't another board that threads like this belong on honestly. I don't smoke tobacco and actually I hate the taste and smell, but smokers should have a place to discuss their habit.
>>21880578Cool. Should furries be able to furpost here too? There's no board for landscaping, we should allow them to post on /ck/ as well!
>>21880596Landscaping can go in /out/ or /diy/Furries have all the porn boardsTobacco is more related to food than it is to anything else. If you have a more appropriate board, let's hear it.Got any more stupid comparisons I can prove you wrong on?
>>21880578>>21880601/out/ or /r9k/
>>21880619the mods haven't cared for years so tobacco threads are perfectly fine here. now wipe your tears away and go post in one of the 20 mcdonalds threads
>>21880596Is eating bacon made from pig anthros a sin?
>>21880596ck is the most appropriate board for this and always has been. Having said that though I also believe that 4chan deserves a dedicated Alcohol & Tobacco board.
>>21880673Combine it with /k/ and call it /atf/.
>>21877356kek
>>21880568it's interesting how alcohol is both immediately and in the long term more dangerous for your health, yet gets not even a fraction of the cultural vitriol that tobacco does.
>>21876962>never inhalethis is a meme spread by retards, you inhale enough to fuck your lungs up even if you "swallow" the smoke like a cock sucking queer
>>21881455you have to realize this is 4chan. people here are inveterate addicts. they will justify their own personal addictions left and right and shit on other drugs for no reason other than to "own" you.
>>21880295I dont agree with the other poster that suggested Tupperware. In most climates at least. If you are somewhere really dry you might need to go full seal, but generally a humidor does breath a little bit. You need to maintain a range of humidity. Too low dries out the sticks, but too much moisture leads to swelling ( bursting even) and mold. The key is whatever kind you get you need to maintain it. I actually prefer the more traditional moisture cells over bovidas or the electronic ones. A bunch of my friends that use those packs had lost cigars after a prolonged period of not checking them. Or in one case, a friend had a big humidor with one of those automatic humidity systems. Keep the reservoir full and it maintains perfect levels. Only needs a refill every few months when the low water alarm goes off. So it wasn't obvious when the alarm failed. By the time he realized his whole humidor ( a 7 drawer cabnit) was fucked. I was able to restore the cigars but it took months of care. Anyway, point is, those cheap desktop ones are fine as long as you season it well and are in the habit of checking it every few days. I bought an attractive 3 drawer cabnit style humidor that holds about 40 large cigars. And I keep it in the living room so I walk by it all the time so I remember to check it frequently. Something else to consider, humidors work best when at least half full. If your going to do it you want to be mindful of the size with respect to how many cigars you want to keep. Putting 4 cigars in a 40 cigar box will make for unstable humidity levels. Some guys even buy a box of ultra cheap sticks like Fuente curly heads to maintian a full humidor.
>>21881464So...when smoking do you do the meme spread by retards or do you "swallow" like the smoke like a cock sucking queer?
Cigars are nice. Don't cause cancer either
>>21880578>I don't smoke tobacco and actually I hate the taste and smellThen why did you open this thread?
>>21884619No, but your posts do.
>>21884619Stop
>>21880460I've had my smiley face Clipper for over 15 years, I've never used hemp wick but I knew friends that wrapped their Bics with that stuff for a cleaner burn
>>21880304Bought a pipe and a couple of tins of tobacco on a whim. Always bring it to parties or get togethers and it's always a hit. Smoother, tastier, and cheaper than cigars. Never bought anything special with it, you can clean it with anything long, light it with any lighter, pack it easily if you're not retarded.
>>21876923
>>21880304It's more fuss than cigars, but:1) You can get top quality tobacco (if you are a cigarette smoker or anti-smoker you don't know what that is) for a lot less money than cigars2) You can get a bigger range than cigars3) Pipes are coolNGL, the instant gratification of a cigar is hard to beat though
>>21880304>>21884796Can you give me tips on packing the pipe and keeping it lit. I have to keep relighting it.
>>21876923Get yourself some good rolling tobacco like picrel from any reputable smoke shop. This particular offering from this brand is the absolute best that can be found in the US market. I've tried some European brands that are better but unavailable in US. It really is how a cigarette is meant to be smoked. You'll find yourself looking forward to the smoke while the food is cooking and the after dinner smoke when fully satiated. I'm going to go have one myself now. Also, use good rolling papers made out of rice.
>>21885140eurofag here, what were the good EU-only tobaccos you recommend?
>>21885151
>>21885159It really is great to smoke a hand rolled cigarette. You get a good appreciation every time you smoke one. It takes time and a bit of skill to get a good roll. It's one little more level of delayed gratification for that final reward. Go out back and light up that pungent earth tobacco goodness. Really is the best of both worlds. You don't have to commit to an entire cigar for an hour. Using good rolling papers also allows the cigarrette to extinguish if you're not actively pulling on it. I set it down and come back to it hours later often. I also enjoy the novelty of pulling out my pouch and papers and taking the time to roll it and enjoy it. No like those that need 20-40 cigarettes every day. 4-10 of these a day are plenty. It really is a great experience of you haven't tried it. You won't regret it, if you like a good smoke. Get a small pocket roller device if you can't roll them good.
>>21881513>If you are somewhere really dry you might need to go full seal, but generally a humidor does breath a little bit. You need to maintain a range of humidity.I'm from the NE, so something like this would be fine?https://www.northwoodshumidors.com/products/prestige-chalet-glasstop-25-50-cigar-desktop-humidors?variant=46158270005440%3Fsku%3DPG-HUM-CHAG-50-CR&wi=off&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=**LP+Shop+-+pMax+-+All+Products&utm_term=2322855753105779&utm_content=All+Products
>>21884964If you’re struggling to keep it lit, I’d do the following until you get the hang of it. Then you’ll have to pay less attention as you move through the process>make sure your tobacco isn’t too moist. If you order premium European stuff from a can, there’s gonna be included moisture. You can set out the tiny pile of tobacco you plan to smoke for about 30 min to dry a bit. As the can stays open longer, it naturally dries out in there so this is mostly a new-can thing>prepare the tobacco you plan to smoke. Break it up with your fingers and get things nice and fluffy. It got compacted for shipment/storage>now for the actual pack, three stages is the standard. You want the pipe lightly packed on the bottom but densely packed on top>so fill the pipe with your now fluffy tobacco, and gently press it down. A child’s touch>now do the same but press down a little more firmly, a woman’s touch>one last time, now a man’s touch>check the draw on the pipe now (breath through it without lighting it)- is everything the way you like?>if so, proceed on>take some of the very small tobacco bit from the ribbons that have come about during your packing. Very small bits, sometimes almost dust>this is now your kindling >put that stuff on top of packed pipe but do NOT pack down againOkay so now for actually lighting>gently pull a flame in puffs around the edges of the bowl until your “kindling” starts to expand and burn a bit>don’t try to light the entire thing on fire yet. You are toasting the top to black right now, just the top.>when you’ve got the entire top blacked a bit, lay off the fire and get your tamper>tamp that blacked, very carbon-y tobacco down into a flat layer>NOW light that fucker by softly drawing flame around the edge of the bowl until you get a nice cherry in there. That fucker will be lit foreverHope this helps anon. If you get a chance to try it out and report back before thread dies, I’ll help you troubleshoot again
>>21885483>gently press it down. A child’s touchYou've never had children.
>>21885483Thanks anon!
>>21880502Kek
>>21885489some of us just went to the island for the buffet
>>21876923I like to buy something I haven't tried before when buying cigars since there's such a wide selections. Oliva aren't bad, I actually like that one and perfectos in general. Davidoff makes the best ones in my opinion, but you're going to pay for it. My favorite brands generally are partagas and upmann though.
>>21876934are you buying those whole cured tobacco leaves sold online as natural insecticide for gardening?
>>21884964I found that the easiest way was just not overthinking it and packing a loose wad into the bowl, very lightly packing it with my thumb, testing the draw and lighting. I used to pack the bowl to the brim in two or three stages, then realized that I was usually throwing out half my bowl anyways or spent ages trying to get it lit so I just fill it loosely about halfway.
>>21887001I will now share a brief tale related to pipe tobacco and autism (my own)>be me, 19 years old>just found grandad's pipe set that's been sitting on a mantleplace. I smoke cigarettes so figure I will now try smoking a pipe>visit my city's only remaining pipe tobacconist, buy 50g of one of their in-store blends and really like it>I am working at a corner store and the only guy who buys our shitty Captain Black pipe tobacco is this Czech boomer dude>he always comes in with his 16/17yo daughter who always flirts with me and jokes about her dad's shitty English>one day I tell him he's got to go to this tobacconist and try out some of their house blends instead of this garbage codger blend he's always buying>he tells me, "anon, perhaps you can come to my house and we will share our tobacco and smoke our pipes to see if I enjoy it enough to journey all the way there to buy it. besides, my daughter would also love to spend time with you!">I politely decline because I think it's weird that he randomly wants to invite me over to smoke pipes>weeks later I piece together that he was trying to set me up with his underage daughter and wanted to suss me out first before giving the green light
>>21880304BASED. I’m (regrettably) a leaf, so I stocked up before we get further tobacco bans up here from gaynigger gubbermint. Great taste! I tend to smoke Latakia blends in the colder months, Virginias in the summer, and burley in the spring/fall, although it’s not a firm rule by any means. Such a nice ritual after a long day at work. Mostly a C&D/GLP enjoyer but I do really like branching out to other producers to experiment with. Pic very much rel
I got a pipe and some tobacco but haven't had time to learn how to prepare and pack and try smoking it. Will likely try tomorrow.>>21876931yes, but this is after dinner so you don't need your taste buds as sharp any more. even then, the minor blunting of your buds for the marvelous complexity of tobacco is completely worth it.having that post-dinner/post-dessert cigarette with a coffee and/or whiskey is one of life's greatest pleasures, particularly when you take it outside to enjoy.
>>21887960Why would they bother curing them? Sounds like a front for fronto if anything.But no, that's not the case at all.
>>21877174Is that image supposed to mean anything to anyone? What does it have to do with rolling cigars? Why can't you draw hair better?
>>21885169That's not hand-rolled if you're using some gadget.
>>21885140You don’t need to tell me
>>21876923once i ventured into a tobacco store, it was full of loud fat redneck women
>>21888284I use the package the papers come in to tuck the paper... does it still count?
arturo fuente and padron are the best brands. romeo y julieta gets a mention for its consistency in construction and they feel nice to smoke but their flavor doesn't pop like arturo fuente. rocky patel and my father are respectable smokes. non-cuban cohibas are overpriced. cubans aren't as good since castro died. oliva's serie v or master's blend are good; don't care for their cheaper stuff unless you just want to smoke for smoking's sake. lot of absolute faggots ITT but i guess being simultaneously abrasive and misinformed is the /ck/ way. i heard cigar threads are a thing on /fa/, better luck there maybe
>>21888365While I agree with your assessment of /ck/ at large I regret to inform you that you are the most abrasive faggadocious quasi-literate in here.
>>21888365>cubansaren't honduran cigars generally seen as the best nowadays?
>>21888444Lotsa folx like Nicaraguan. AJ Fernandez gets some pretty decent reviews.
>>21880578Then don't make the thread. Smoking is stupid as hell, you addict. You don't belong here or apparently on any of the boards by your own admission.
>>21888507cats go to /lgbt/, silly chinaman
>>21885140i fucking hate everytime you come in to my store and call this SHAQ instead of SHAG i hate you i hate you i hate you
>>21888365you are a fuckin tard. Padron is good, everything else you listed is bottom barrel trash. Who would have thunk it, 4channers dont know dick about tobacco. you didnt mention drew estate, alec bradley, rock patel , all the ones who have been consistently winning cigar awards for the last 15 years. absolute fucking brainlet. post your humidor
>>21888243>Sounds like a front for fronto if anything.Whole tobacco leaves can be sold as agricultural products due to their insecticidal nature and some websites obliquely market them this way to avoid sin taxes in places like Canada or the UK for people who blend their own pipe tobacco or roll their own cigars.
>>21888565literally posted rocky patel lol and I'm the first one ITT to mention it. sorry I can appreciate budget cigars that punch higher than their price and didn't mention every single good brand. I'd rather go deep than wide and I could only smoke padron and arturo fuente forever and never miss the rest. EVERYTHING they put out is delicious and bold in flavor
>>21888565here it is :)
