>>21885436
Is this some/pol/shit?
Either way, with the core drivers of craft beer being between 61 and 45 now and younger millennials and zoomers either no longer drinking, never having started or having switched to RTD malt beverages there's just no point anymore.

>>21885441
>craft beer
should've always stayed as garage projects.

>>21885436
put yourself in his position. you start a business, it gets wildly successful, some firm approaches you offering you buckets of cash for it, you're now getting older and want to start slowing down on work and secure completely financial freedom for you and your family, why wouldn't you take it? that's the point of starting a business. yeah it sucks for the consoomer but i can't fault them too much Tbh

>>21885441
It is odd to me that zoomers and younger aren't drinking. I was never some crazy binge drinking retard but I enjoyed drinking with my friends growing up and still do. The whole not drinking AT ALL is just wild to me

>>21885583
Arizona Iced Tea wants to pass it onto his kids. that's the point of starting a business.

>>21885604
it's a confluence of reasons why they aren't
>socialization has been increasingly moving online where kids are seeing what others are doing at all times causing extreme cases of fomo and often depression
>video game industry continues to make record revenue yoy, zoomers are the generation with the highest percentage of gamers, lots of aforementioned socialization happens in video games/discord
>society-wide trend of enshittification that amongst many other things has been eliminating third places, further constraining irl socialization possibilities
>not as impactful but still of note: some zoomers see drinking as what their cringe gen x parents/friends would do and as a weird way of rebelling don't engage in it...many of them however are very much open to weed which has been increasingly legalized across the country, and ofc vaping too which has pretty much replaced cigarettes

>>21885614
the point of starting a business is making money. whether that's through keeping a stable business in the family or selling out at the right opportunity, doesn't change the end goal. the arizona guys seem to have more patience than most in the foodstuffs industry. but it's also one where your product can go out of favor fast or be crippled overnight by upstream supply chain issues completely out of your control

>>21885639
So the main reason is they don't have real friends?

>>21885672
that, and actually another point i just remembered but it's a bit harder to quantify:
with phones being absolutely everywhere, zoomers are incredibly prone to taking out them out any time something weird or out of the ordinary happens and recording it so they can post it to social media and get attention for it. this has caused them to be weary of letting loose and being in the moment with alcohol in public settings. they don't want to next day's laughing stock on tiktok amongst all their friends because they drank too much and acted dumb.

>>21885672
>>21885695
Drinking, especially drinking out, is also comparatively expensive.

>>21885639
Generally speaking we should never have put our society in the power of autists

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>brewdog

>>21885695
>don't want to next day's
Oh ok so you are ESL.

>>21885721
I don't have a 'jak that's soy enough to express my revulsion at this

>>21885695
this has been the case for a lot of things now
it's why an increasing amount of people try not to have any kind of reaction to anything lest they get recorded for tiktok as "live crashout" for existing as anything more than a cardboard golem

This thread quickly devolved to Never Trust Anyone Under 30

>>21885702
Idk a pint at the American legion is still 3 or 4 bucks. Can of hamms or busch is usually 1 or two bucks. It can be pretty cheap unless you get into the pull tabs

>>21885769
More like
>milliennials rapidly approaching middle age and that are increasingly getting balder/fatter impotently screeching about how they are no longer young and the center of attention

>>21885721
Brewdog seems like it's always kinda sucked, very much an American model in Britain with the tinge of desperation that comes with anyone who overly obsesses over the other side of the Special Relationship. (It's like you know I like my Sketch comedy shows, Premier League matches and in the mid-afternoon and my occasional meat pie or fish and chips with a good ale, but I ain't out there watching panel shows.
Britain already has a craft brewing economy that goes back to times before written language, America had the flaw of prohibition, industrial brewing and the whatnot.
We needed an 80s-00s movement to improve our beer from medicore lagers from the Midwest, Britain had it to an extent, but not like America did.
To me, David Mitchell is in shows with Olivia Coleman. But I'd still go to the UK over other European Countries cause they seem like a kitschier Northeastern United States that looks like Southern California after a rainstorm.

>>21885639
actually based for giving a real explanation and not just calling him a retard (i would have)

>>21885774
Rent-free, zoom-zoom.

>>21885775
What the fuck are you on about? Brewdog crashed and burned in America while being widely mocked for it's bullshit like >>21885721. The only time Brewdog ever made a profit in the USA was when it started contracting out brewing capacity to other companies. The USA has been at the forefront of the modern independent and craft brewing scene while the UK seems hellbent on making sure every single pub, bar, and taproom is part of a franchise chain while thinking the height of beer craftmanship was back in the early 50s when rationing was still in full force.

i don't know why im in this thread. none of this seems very interesting.

Brewdog got in at the right time, I always thought their beers were very middle of the road personally, even at their peak. I feel like 90% of their beers taste the same these days. Fair play on Black Heart though, that one is alright.

>>21885811
>Rent-free
Says grandpa that screeches about zoomers in every thread. But your memory has been going for years so it's no surprise you can't remember what you did 5 minutes ago in another thread lmaoooo

>>21885814
And a fine skibitti gyapp to you do, young man.

>>21885604
now they all vape nicotine and weed.

>>21885436
Brewdog fucking sucks, who gives a shit

>>21885811
I'm more saying the fetishized American brewing trends and tried to push them in a market where there was already an established smaller brewery diverse ale economy.
Not that they failed at selling their products stateside. The Selling Ice to Eskimos concept.

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>>21885436
Fake ass sellout tried to turn Belgian beer into gimmick and failed. The kids don't drink any more because they know they're being filmed everywhere, all the time.He's the first of many.

>>21885837
Belgian beer is a gimmick

>>21885824
And weird pills.

>>21885846
Weird Pills have been part of the world of getting fucked up for over 100 years now. Why do you think people in the 50s-60s were able to drink so much, Amphetamines weren't well regulated until the 70s in America and deep into the 80s in some parts of Europe (West Germany, Netherlands, the usual suspects) and their criminalization only led to the diversification of their experiences (MDA, MDMA, all that Alexander Shulgin stuff) as opposed to just diet pills that kept you standing through a long day/night of drinking.

>>21885822
>no argument because gramps knows i'm right
Lol

>>21885436
Never heard of it despite being a pretty big IPAfag from like 2014-present. Glad they are dying.
>>21885604
In general I don't think zoomers/younger have the IRL social bonds teens/young adults from like ~15-25 used to get. Even if "going out" wasn't much more expensive I don't think zoomers/younger have much of a reason to. Anecdotal but all of the zoomers I know have social groups that are 100% online, even before covid tipped the scale in this direction for everybody.

Great video that should be titled “here’s why Brewdog are a pack of cunts’:
https://youtu.be/7Smoma6RI-k?si=nSXetTiWSJVu2_Hb

>>21885721
>customers: face and stock our shelves
ok, for a 25% discount on my transaction i will. fuck off retards

>>21885982
Basically the story of all successful craft beer.

>>21885436
brudawg bros not like this...

>>21885436
>Since 2007
So who cares

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>>21885839
Belgian beer is heavenly nectar compared to tasteless lagers and warm & yeast English ales

>>21885981
>In general I don't think zoomers/younger have the IRL social bonds teens/young adults from like ~15-25 used to get. Even if "going out" wasn't much more expensive I don't think zoomers/younger have much of a reason to. Anecdotal but all of the zoomers I know have social groups that are 100% online, even before covid tipped the scale in this direction for everybody.
In my last job, I worked with a lot of chad tier zoomers and none of them ever went out to socialize or to bars. One guy was a good looking gym rat and spent all his free time gaming online at his moms house, and another who actually had some kind of social life only went to a bar for the first time in his life when he was 27, had one beer and went home.

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Punk like German punk bands LMAO

>>21885604
they're all on psych meds which don't mix well with alcohol and are more powerful. plus younger zoomers spent their prime formative socializing years being locked indoors by liberals

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>>21885721

>>21888021
It's just sugary or sour bullshit. Easily the most overrated country for beer and it's not even close

>>21885436
Didn't know this place was a chain, as someone in the US who went to one outside of Milton Keynes/Bedford when I was there a few years back. Got to go after leaving the hospital after breaking my pelvis. Great memories.

>>21885772
Most kids aren't gonna drink at an American Legion or VFW. But yes, the beers are still dirt cheap at those

>>21885721
You gonna give me some money off my beer for doing that? If not, then screw it

>>21888312
Adderall is a psych med and keeps the party going

>>21888139
Malcolm McLaren made British Punk and pretty much all the NY Punks were as bottom line as any other New Yorkers. The Ramones were a brand and uniform as much as KISS with better songs

>>21885436
Punk IPA and Elvis Juice are nice though.

Did anyone actually watch that documentary on the founder?

>"We saw the founder at the bar with a date, he went up to the terrace with her. I don't know what they did on the terrace but I'm going to assume that they fucked for no reason and then this is going to personally threaten ME for some reason"

Bunch of curtain twitchers, I bet the woman he was with loved being called a slut on national TV.

Brewdog makes weak beers I can't be arsed to drink such high volume of liquids just to get buzzed. Needs to be at least ~9% abv for me.

>>21889248
Punk IPA tastes like pretty much every West Coast IPA.
That's probably fairly unique compared to other larger brewery options in the UK, but coming stateside with it is just a contradiction of all their badassery shit. Like you're just coming into an already saturated market. Stone and Firestone Walker are the originals on what they were doing and it really didn't compete with Stone and Firestone Walker, even on the East Coast.

>>21885570
Fact.
>>21885604
Bunch of reasons.
1) Tax burden on booze is really bad
2) Sweet booze is way too expensive for what is usually just a flavored malt base
3) Online dating caused bars to enter a death spiral as hookup spots where uglier people led to fewer drinkd being the offered which led to uglier people etc
4) Cringe/stoicism culture making drunken shenanigans unacceptable
5) Covid
6) Snapchat encouraging the idea of recording someone acting out then having the evidence be gone by the time the person sobered up
7) Weed pens are much easier to hide
8) Property prices means you have much less space to do it
9) They don't know about White Port
10) a lot of them larp as tradbased nofap Renaissance Men

>>21889357
I don't understand equating alcohol and marijuana. They're just such different experiences.
Like with weed I just get more patient and introspective and slightly more reserved. With alcohol I become more impatient, jovial and outgoing.
Like I get drunk I want to talk to any random person about whatever, I'll tell someone they have an awesome sweater or just start chatting shit about the sports game on TV. When I'm stoned I'm just gonna watch the sports and focus on it and maybe pump my fist when the team I like gets a good play, I'll see a friend is calling me and just let it go to voicemail.

>>21889248
>Did anyone actually watch that documentary on the founder?
No, I saw their 5 minute interview with Oz & James, and even that was a chore to get through. It actually wondered if it was some comedy bit, like the owners were pretending to be the "chav douchebag" version of Ali G. And their entire brand gimmick, trying to replicate the worst part of the American "craft scene" in a country with an actual beer culture... baka desu fampai.

>>21885604
they are all looksmaxxing gymrats

>>21889259
Traditional IPAs were much weaker. The point is not to get buzzed, it's to satisfy a craving while staying functional. That's how beer was drunk for centuries. Why do you think old pub beer is all 3%-4%

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It's crazy how most of the world just doesn't have proper beer

>>21885583
Just went through that. Perfectly sums it up. My partner is closing in on retirement and I figure that I can take cash now and really set myself up as well as being very selective with any work I choose to do to fill the time.

>>21889735
proper tap beer requieres freshness, freshness requires constant frequent consumption, and that means either you have infinite demand, or some really dedicated alcoholics, only that can guarantee proper tap beer, I believe

>>21889757
>freshness requires constant frequent consumption
Or smaller containers

>>21889762
makes sense

>>21885721
please tell me there aren't retards putting in free labor for a public corporation

>>21885604
Weed is better and I would rather have that if I could get it easily, 100%
t. alkie

We should make drink alcohol and smoking cigarettes mandatory and destroy all modern technology and turn the world back 40 years or so by force

>>21885769
Alcoholics loooove trotting out the "don't trust anyone who doesn't drink" meme just to dodge that sinking feeling that maybe they shouldn't be drinking at or before lunch

>>21885570
>lager
should have stayed in Germany

>>21890153
The cogs are already turning... Actual cogs, because gears are the wheel of Satan!

>>21885436
The owners are soyboys. They can't handle their logistics. They lie about their carbon neutrality. They did make a good cloudy lemonade gin and a good botanical rum, however

>>21891257
It's a lot more to do with the curious thought processes of people who are rawdogging life without lube.
I do not want to be here into my 80's. I do not understand why anyone would. Half the time, I don't want to be here now. My poisons of choice temporarily alleviate these feelings and hasten the end. It's a win-win.

>>21891257
Shit you're so fucking gay.
>>21891284
You're not as gay as the above but you're still fucking gay.

>>21891290
And you're cute for a closet case. Want some decaffeinated cocoa or something?

>>21890142
Weed is awful. The feeling sucks, it stinks like shit, and it's just not fun. But I'm glad you found some other form of addiction

>>21888889
Idk thats usually where the twenty and 30 somethings I work with end up. That or some shitty dive that's close to the jobsite

>>21885604
>The whole not drinking AT ALL is just wild to me
That’s called being an alcoholic.

>>21891291
You're the most low budget pastiche of Rodney Dangerfield. Good luck trying not to fail in life, you cardboard cutout

>>21891303
In my experience it depends on the strain and the dose. Some smells like someone's smuggling roquefort and kerosene up a skunk's ass and puts me on the couch for hours. Some's got a lot of fruit to the musk and tends to get me writing, walking, or capable of sitting for hours editing. There's a lot going on in the chemical cocktail of marijuana, and because of that, the experience can vary wildly from person to person.

>>21891310
>t. noodle-armed effeminate pseud with no personality and very little functional life skills

>>21891312
Already there, my adorable, chubby friend. Already there.
Money doesn't buy happiness, but I can tell you from personal experience that it does help medicate depression.

>>21891313
Nobody gives a fuck about your basic bitch experience

>>21891317
>ctrl+c
>ctrl+v
Escape any good parties lately?

>>21891316
You're spurting out turbo faggoty, smarmy non sequiturs. You lack the self awareness to be able to gauge your tragic nature. What a prick

>>21891331
>What a prick
I usually hear it phrased "Dear fucking god! What do you feed that thing?" but thank you!

>>21891314
>needs alcohol to have a personality
>alcohol is a life skill
You really showed me anon.

>>21891413
He did. The door is and remains before you. It has even been knocked ajar. You choose to remain devoid of personality and skill in the name of 'safety'.

Stay safe bro. Stay safe.

>>21891434
You sound gay and probably also retarded, you guys are perfect for each other.

>>21885982
I think the best joke is that Billy Bragg built an American festival with Wilco around watching England in the Cup

>>21891257
There was an out of nowhere Entertainment News thing that came out I think last week about how basically Taylor Swift largely stopped being friends with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds because Travis Kelce didn't trust Ryan Reynolds cause he was "on all the time" and never the type to break character even have a drink and kick back.
I may be a Chorger fan, but I respect Kelce for his assessment of Reynolds and I think it applies here.
When it comes to people who don't drink they're often seen as calculating, they're not willing to forget about their phone, have a few beers and just say whatever about anything but not take it personally.
That's a form of untrustworthiness.

>>21889259
>Brewdog makes weak beers I can't be arsed to drink such high volume of liquids just to get buzzed. Needs to be at least ~9% abv for me.
Just drink vodka or something then if all you care about is getting wasted. You'll piss a lot less.

>>21891333
Least obnoxious faggot. I hope the next pride parade features a truck of peace.

>>21885604
>shit calories
>more expensive than weed
People only drank because weed wasn't legal

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>>21891550
>Alcohol and weed

>>21885583
He's a rapist and BREWDOG is worthless now

>>21891284
Is what you wrote meant to sell me on the idea that people like you are trustworthy rather than someone who doesn't drink? You sound mentally unwell and you pretty much state outright that you agree you are mentally unwell.

>>21891652
I'm aware that I'm mentally unwell. That awareness is the chasm between my trust of the dearly diseased, and the literally uncanny "well" on the other side.
Everything zen? I don't think so.

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>>21885436
>brew
>dog

How could it have failed?

>>21891684
Not sure why you think being aware you are mentally unwell somehow makes it better.
You can be mentally well or unwell as a drinker or a non-drinker. I think what I'm taking away from this is it has nothing to do with drinking, and I just shouldn't trust you specifically.

>>21891785
>Not sure why you think being aware you are mentally unwell somehow makes it better.
NTA, but it's generally better to be aware of a problem than not aware of a problem.

>>21891313
Yeah same with alcohol to literally everything you said

>>21891550
>Implying you don't stuff your face when high
People have drank and used weed since forever ya retard

>>21891517
Check out this fucking gossip girl.

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pint of heavy over that shite any day

>>21891785
You shouldn't trust anyone, but the sober have more reasons and greater capacity for dishonesty.

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Brewbros....

>>21891550
I smoked weed for about 30 years constantly. I'll occasionally smoke one now. But these pious dudes weed lmao types thinking they're special and are also "like what drug I do! My drug is better than yours!" has put me off quite a bit, because I loathe these massive, massive faggots and don't want to be associated with them in any way, shape or form. They are the fucking pits.

>>21891550
Alcohol is an elixir for going outside, doing things, and reproducing
Weed is a goynip sedative for staying in, passively consuming, and gooning

>>21892286
Can be... but then you wind up with something like Durban Poison being called "Weedspresso" because in moderate doses, it fights repetitive task fatigue, and seems to hack away at executive dysfunction barriers. I got a few friends who swear by it, and the muscle growth, weight loss, novels, albums, and sculptures would seem to back up their claims.
If it worked that way for me, I'd be smoking it right now.