Oh no no no vegansisters I thought it was just as good if not better than real meat what the hell went wrong
Everyone removed the old vegetarian options which I liked even though I eat meat, vegetable patties bound with potato or grains or whatever. They replaced it with this fake meat trash. I'm still seething about it.
Tried it, tasted ok, nothing like meat though. Made the whole house smell like cat food for hours after cooking it.
>>21889969>which I liked
>>21889963>what the hell went wrongpeople actually tried it.
>>21889971Not that poster but I liked Boca burgers and ate them for years. I tried Beyond and Impossible, they're just expensive and have off flavors. It's pretty obvious that they don't really taste like meat either, it's just not as noticeable if you eat it with a bunch of other things that cover up the taste.
>>21889963>why yes, I do eat a heavily processed product to mimic a natural product because it doesn't harm animals even though animals die in crop fields from combines, how could you tell?
>>21889969Me too. Except for the Impossible Whopper. That was a seared bite of delight. I miss when fake meat products were weird as hell and niche like Tofu Pups and Tofurkey and only the craziest veg heads ate them while normal veg persons ate regular veggie "burgers" and other plant foods that weren't pretending to be meat.
>>21889971No, I agree with him. >>21889969Bro, I was never one for fast food but I fucking loved the Burger King veggie burger from back in the day. The peas and carrots and corn and so on were so damn good.Now? These kindsa veggie burgers are a rarity. I found one frozen brand that Safeway keeps giving me coupons for and it's just not that good. I hear Dr Praeger veggie burgers are good but I've not given them a go yet.I make them myself and they're better than frozen stuff I've tried but still not as good as Burger King. >>21889963New car smell wore off.>>21889973Trufax I bought beyond sausage for $2/lb because Safeway coupons and it's also not great. I'd rather pay $3 for a roll of Jimmy Dean when it's on sale than Beyond Sausage at any price. Fuck that stuff.
>>21889981>Dr PraegerThey're decent but kind of expensive and I've found them to be a bit mushy. I tried a few kinds and they were all a bit mushy. I think Morningstar still makes a good basic frozen veggie burger.
>>21889980>Me too. Except for the Impossible WhopperNah, bro. Doublefuck the Impossible Whopper. It was so fucking salty when I tried it.And I know what you mean about the fake meat thing. I'm from a flexitarian culture so I grew up with meat minimalism as the norm (despite this, my brother is 6'8 and I'm a 6'1 manlet, go figure) and our diet growing up was and continues to be mostly produce.When I had a roommate who was vegetarian back in 2004 or so, she was shocked–shocked!–that food without meat could actually taste good and be European. The funniest thing was when I asked her what she missed most about eating meat and she immediately says "mashed potato with gravy and fried chicken" so I showed her how to make vegetarian gravy with oil, flour, water and stock cube and we had mash with it and Morningstar Chick'n patties. Well, she had the patties. I got Popeyes lmao
>>21889987Yeah, same with that brand I bought. Can't remember the name.Those BK ones were perfect.
>>21889980It's because it was cooked in whopper juiceOne time I was catering a party when I was 19 or 20 and I was losing way too much weight for all the work we had to do and I noticed the veggie burger was actually ridiculously high in fat and protein We kept them frozen and cooked them to-orderMy lunch break was coming up so I tossed one in the burger holder to thaw out faster, and put it on the grillI'd make these massive triple burgers, a beef patty, a chicken breast, a veggie burger, with cheese and mayo, like 1,400-1,500 caloriesThe lady hosting the party told me she wanted a veggie burger and I was like, sure, come back in 10 minutes they're frozen and take longer to cookShe pointed at my beef-soaked veggie burger already G2G on the grill and demanded itI told her, sorry, this is for someone elseThen she was like, do you know who I am? I will get you fired. Give me that burgerSo I just thought, OK, fuck it, you can have my beef-soaked patty, you're already eating into my lunch break so fuck offI made another one, my lunch break was now about 15 whole minutes>shoves that big mamma-jama into face, go back to the grillThen she sees me and says, Anon, I'm sorry I was snippy earlier, I was very hungry. Also that was the best veggie burger I've had in my life! This was before the meat allergy thing, I'm not sure I'd do that to a vegetarian today, but kid me probably would have anyway
>>21890011I know the grill grease probably helped the flavor a lot but the Impossible Whoppers texture, taste, and overall deliciousness wasn't just because of the meat grease. The patty itself and the highly palatable fast food synergy flavor is what made it really tasty.
>what went wrongtheir execs started eating people
>>21889963It's good, If it's offered, I wouldn't turn it down, but it's not going to sway people who eat meat.
>>21889963sorry but the real gold is with cockroach milk, your fake meat had a chance, now the roaches will rise
>>21889963When vegans say "we should eat fake meat" they mean "you should eat fake meat"
The only target audience is teenage girls. They grow up
>>21889978>I just think we should be killing fewer animals, especially the ones that are kinda like us>DID YOU KNOW A MILLION BUGS DIE EVERY DAY??? I BET YOU FEEL STUPID NOW, HYPOCRITE!!!
>meat becomes expensive as fuck>vegan 'meat' could take advantage of this by making cheap "good enough" meat substitute that focuses on removing the aftertaste and stopping them acting like a sponge, soaking up water from sauces>instead they keep making premium products that are expensive as fuck and still nowhere near as good as real meat.
>>21889963Fake meat is such a stupid attempt on veganism. I can make excellent food using extremely basic ingredients like herbs, root vegetables, beans etc. It's all about spicing.
>>21890481rightoids love caring about environmental/humanitarian issues but only when it's politically expedient for them. they do it with green energy and only green energy. they love pointing out how wind turbines kill birds and how african lithium mines use child labor.
>>21890500Meat is not that expensive. Have you tried not living in extreme poverty? Seems to work for me. I can afford meat just fine. : )But yeah, it's the same problem with literally everything vegan. They haven't had the real thing for so long that they don't have anything to compare to and instead of taking valid criticism from folks who know better, they just double down on their awful products.Know what's vegan and tastes good? Pretty much all produce. Know what's vegan and tastes like shit? Pretty much all meat-alikes, milk-alikes, cheese-alikes and egg-alikes.
>>21890503And I can make a delicious vegan meal with no spices at all, my spice-crutching compadre.
>>21890509Ok peas, broccoli and turnip make something good. Remember you can't use butter, herbs, garlic or anything that spices it up because they're a crutch.
>>21889963Remember when you incels were screeching how these companies were going to replace real meat everywhere and you'd never be able to buy it again? Are you ready to admit you were fucking wrong again?
>>21889963Nice.
>>21889963Who is the product even for? It's wildly overpriced and if you are vegan you are probably already eating tofu (which tastes better). This shit literally existed for normalfags to discuss for a week then forget about
>>21889963Maybe people learned you can just eat vegetables instead of blended together and smashed into dinonuggies.
>>21890514You must be tired carrying that goalpost so far away, Ashley.Garlic and herbs != spices, you fucking retard and butter isn't vegan to begin with, you quintuple retard.And garlic with peas sounds vile. You ought to be ashamed.
>>21890564Things added to food solely for flavor are spice. I guess you like crutches after all like every other person.
>>21890573How much did you pay the OED to redefine the word? Cuz however much it was, it clearly wasn't enough since that's still not the definition. Sorry, Susie Dent. Better luck next time.
>>21890508> meat isn’t expensive if you just have more money
>>21890578Jesus Christ go be insufferable somewhere else
>>21890580>conveniently leaves out the qualifierPoor and poorly educated are not a good mix, poverty-kun.
>>21890581Jesus Christ go be wrong somewhere else
I'm a vegetarian since 10 years. My cooking is, at this point, completely devoid of influence from meat dishes. I like to eat a meat substitute of some kind about once a month. It's fun, and allows me to have dishes fron childhood: burger, schnitzel, nuggets, ham. I think Beyond Meat™ is a pretty good product.
>>21890582What qualifier?> Meat is not that expensive. Have you tried not living in extreme poverty? Seems to work for me. I can afford meat just fine.>>21890584My opinion that you’re insufferable is 100% accurate to my feelings every time you post
>>21890481Only the Jains lament the death of the bugs... and maybe some environmentalists and people who actually know what they're doing in their biomes. Everyone else looks at them the same way they look at people who look like Jains: feral biomass.Insects/arachnics bother me because they bite and they can spread disease. If they're being properly farmed, I really don't have a huge issue eating the bugs. I wouldn't go out for bug burgers, but I see it about the same way I see pre-ground meat, sausage, tempeh, tilapia - cheap protein that's a bit gross.>>21890505Everything that isn't burning fuel and sending up black smoke is the highest form of communism around here. I get shit on at work for driving a hybrid, and occasionally eating green vegetables. Rode my bike in one day last year, and wound working doubletime all day because half my department got called in to HR for screaming "Faggot" at me all day... One of their kids is actually mine. His wife messaged me about it when he got home raving about what a faggot I am.
>>21890604That qualifier.
>>21890604>My opinion that blah blah blahThat's incorrect. I guarantee I've posted and you've agreed with me and found me quite sufferable. Enjoyable, even. Like a tasty, tasty piece of beef you apparently can't afford.My son and I had fillet steaks/filet mignon the other day because it's not that expensive.
>>21889963>has to make same shit thread again and again>look, this one brand of specialized products didn't do so well, this somehow means animal activism is dead>while current market being choke-full of vegan products compared to the 2000s or even the 2010skek
>>21890688Cool story bro. Too bad you completely missed the point.
>>21890705> Meat isn't that* expensive if you just have more moneyWow, still retarded>>21890713Oh God, I didn't imagine you could get more insufferable
>>21890785You didn't have one, so I substituted my own.
>>21889969Best real fast food veggie burger left is from Culvers ..... it never pretended to be anything else
>>21890793I accept your concession.
>>21890500Yeah I bet they never came up with the idea of making better products at lower cost. You showed them.
>>21891116Local bakery'n'meat-market does cheap veg patties - black bean, mushroom, beet, okra, garlic, cornstarch, thyme, rosemary, cumin, paprika, salt, pepper, soya sauce. About half the price of their prefab beef patties...It's doable, but the processes of packaging, and making it meat-like are expensive, plus you're marketing to yuppie fux anyway - they're not going to buy the meat substitute of the proles. That's what the poors eat!
>>21890718>choke-fullThe lack of cholesterol is destroying your brain my cum-guzzling friend.
>>21891126irregardless, vegan products are still decently popular even if these burgers are losing popularity
>>21891123I was just in the durkadurka supermarket the other day and they have a lunch counter with hot food. I was blown away by the prices. Cheaper, even, that those durkadurka food carts, which I noted the prices of recently.Chicken over rice and two veg: $6 at the supermarket. Chicken over rice and some sad slice of raw tomato and a bit of iceberg lettuce: $8 from the carts. Beef is $7 and $10, respectively. And honestly, the durkadurka store smelled fantastic. They also had a deal, whole roast chicken, four veg and rice for $14. We should've gotten that shit, honestly. But no. All we bought were stinky feet bouillon cubes, btw, and oil-cured olives.
>>21889963>what the hell went wrongThere was never any reason for stocks to be that high. It was just a thing that was in the news so people put there money there. Smart investors also would've known it was just a pump and dump.Meat corps like Tyson have tons of brands that fill up stores, restaurants, and cafeterias where almost everyone ends up eating in their products some way. So they are priced appropriately.
>>21891141Oh, and the falafel platter was $5 with rice and two veg, too. Derp.
>>21891141Nice. Unlike western /biz/ fascists, durkadurka people are genuine in their antisemitism and don't see making money as life's ultimate goal.
>>21891141Sometimes Asiamarts and Durkmarkets have great food and great deals, and sometimes it's on par and the prepped food makes you shit bone.I lucked out in moving where I did. The bakery-butchery is a kickass one-stop-shop, our Browns of all varieties all seem to be able to cook, and will cater to even the palest of palates, and our Asiamart keeps things above board, going so far as to have an airlocked bin for their fish guts (so it doesn't have Chinatown stink). The only real weirdness I found there was the open bins of different varieties of salted fish (and how the salt cod is always picked clean), and that their chicken is carved up into very non-white portions. The breasts are usually fine, but sometimes it's full chicken legs from thigh to foot, and always full wings from drumette to tip. Great prices on hearts and livers though.
>>21889963if I shorted that, I would be able to afford hambergur for my hamburger helper instead of using beef-and-pork-rectum hotdogs.
The video exposing how processed industrial waste like it is was damaging. It's just not hip anymore too, which was the whole reason people got into it in the first place.
>>21889963I really don't understand how a heavily processed bioengineered plant protein slopfest managed to cost more than real meat, completely leaving out meat eaters looking to save money, all they had left were vegan worshipping cultists who are already used to getting terrible macros per dollar and they were never gonna be happy about eating things that resemble dead animals.
>>21891498Idealism. They thought they were going to convert meat eaters.
>>21889963UPF's are the new 'in' thing to hate on, so of course products like fake meat (the epitome) will suffer. Also the fad would have died off regardless once soyboys and woman take their instagram photo of their epic meat free burger once and then go back to eating meat.
>>21891526>newHow old are you that 30 years ago is new?
>>21891696NTA but he's right about ultra processed food being a current year boogeyman. I read an article from last month that heavily cited a Harvard professor who claims there's no good data to back up the demonization of UPFs. His argument is basically UPFs are poor people food and we shouldn't shame poor people for eating the worst processed food because it's actually other factors in their lifestyle like smoking and drinking and stress that make them unhealthy, not the frozen pozza and soda they consume by the trough.
>>21891713Poor people don't eat processed food because they are poor. They eat processed food because they are stupid. There are always better, cheaper options. Stupidity is not okay.
>>21891731Found it. A “Make America Healthy Again” report on childhood health, released by the White House in May, cites ultra-processed food as a leading cause of chronic disease—but making these foods “the new dietary villain” could be a misstep, according to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s David Ludwig.In an Oct. 6 Washington Post op-ed, Ludwig, professor in the Department of Nutrition, wrote that ultra-processed foods are defined imprecisely and studies have not definitely shown that diets without them have long-term health benefits. Therefore, he argued, nutrition policies should not overgeneralize and recommend that all of them be cut out.He recounted the major effort by the U.S. government and nutrition experts half a century ago to convince the public to follow low-fat diets in order to prevent chronic disease. However, the approach was not strongly supported by research and led to unintended consequences: Processed carbs such as sugary beverages and sweetened breakfast cereals became commonplace, and obesity and diabetes rates increased.Ludwig pointed out that ultra-processed foods—defined as having at least one major food component or additive not used in traditional cooking methods—include actually healthy foods such as olive oil created by processing olives. Furthermore, the potential health benefits of diets without ultra-processed foods have not been studied comprehensively, he noted.
>>21891766i don't think anyone considers olive oil to be ultra processed
>>21891780Oh, that guy definitely overpads his point by strawmanning stuff like olive oil as ultra-processed, then pointing at it as a "healthy ultra-processed" food.
>>21890604Wew, this anon is massive cunt
>>21890508>Know what's vegan and tastes good? Pretty much all produce. Know what's vegan and tastes like shit? Pretty much all meat-alikes, milk-alikes, cheese-alikes and egg-alikes.>They haven't had the real thing for so long that they don't have anything to compare to and instead of taking valid criticism from folks who know better, they just double down on their awful products.This. Jesus Christ, this.Like, what in the everloving fuck is their problem? They're not the experts on meat so why not listen to someone who actually is?
>>21890481>cows are kinda like uskys
>>21890503This. I'm not vegan or veg, but I'll still sometimes make meals that are entirely plant based that are delicious and filling. I'll never understand why vegtards feel the need to make their preferred diet taste like their unpreferred diet.
>>21892616>I'll never understand why vegtards feel the need to make their preferred diet taste like their unpreferred diet.obviously because the dietary preference isn't arrived at from taste concerns? the only reason to formulate it as """preference""" is because vegtards couldn't reasonably cut meatheads' tounges out of their mouths?
>>21892719Vegtards not eating meat is a preference, though, simple as. Stop being a disingenuous cunt about it with your cope quote marks. I don't give a shit, eat meat or don't eat meat it's all your own picky eater choice whose reason doesn't interest me in the least. But I will absolutely make fun of you for saying you don't eat meat and then stuff your face with ultra processed slop just so you can taste meat flavor. Thus the 'tard' in vegtard. Vegans eating meat flavor food is like pedos working in a daycare.
>>21889976Boca was on managers special at the supermarket this morning so I bought a box. I remember not hating them back at uni but still preferring the stuff made of visible vegetable bits.
>>21892760THINK OF THE VEGETABLES!
>>21889971you should try plant patties some time. they can be very good as long as they're not pretending to be meat
>>21892808I do. I think of them sauteed in beef tallow, mixed with pork pieces, covered in cheese sauce, served beside a mouthwatering ribeye.
>>21892821No lie detected. I make my own boca-lile patties that are not half bad. But I don't make them to be a meat replacement. It's just another sammich option alongside pulled pork, chicken breast, etc.
>>21890580Well yeah, meat at the current price point is in fact NOT expensive if you have the finances to not give a shit about the uptick. If you're poor and got priced out of it then you'll have to live with cheaper cuts on sale, which can still be good. You should have planned better to be financially secure, or if you're still young and building wealth you should use this as motivation to do so.
>>21892838Not the point I was making to that retard. $4.88/lb for a Christmas tenderloin is not a huge price jump compared to the same sale last year at $4.66/lb. Yes, it's more expensive, but (and this seems to need repeating), it's not /that/ expensive.Most of the people kvetching about food do everything about it but spend less/shop smart. My wife and I take every opportunity to not spend more money than we need to, hence the 99¢ Boca burgers I mentioned in >>21892781 and why we could have filet mignon for dinner the other night.
>>21892760one mans ethical stance is another mans >picky eater choicethere's an obvious (and simple enough to be unfunny) irony in refusing to eat something only to crave it to the point of inventing its substitute, yes>Vegans eating meat flavor food is like pedos working in a daycare.sure, presuming they never lay a finger on a child. let's rephrase your metaphor as coherent: >meatheads eating meat is like pedos raping children >vegtards eating meat substitutes is like pedos watching cartoon cpdid the roids shrink your brain too, or were you born this stupid?
>>21892781Gardenburger was top tier and didn't pretend to be meat flavored.
>>21889963>what the hell went wrongCollective delusion will only guide the invisible hand of the market for so long before the cold, harsh reality forces it to readjust.No one wants your disgusting hockey puck of fake meat, go back to eating grains, legumes, leaves and roots.
>>21889963I knew this company was doomed when during the COVID lockdowns literally every piece of meat was sold out at my grocery store besides the byond section which was still fully stocked
>bro eat this pea burger with real fake beetroot bloodhmm how appetising
>>21889971>vegetables yucky!!!skill fucking issue you dumb ass retardmy vegetable lasagna is fucking delicious
>>21892857> The sales at Christmas are a good representation of general meat pricesStill retarded>>21892838> Don't worry about the economic impact on food prices, just take care of yourselfThe poor and hungry are who riot and pillage as society declines and they have nothing to lose Believing self-reliance is the answer to problems that impact everyone is commie-level delusion about society.I don't care what you do, and giving tips to get the most bang for your buck always makes sense, but shit like this is retarded in the conversation of general rising costs and economic decay
>>21892857>not the point I was making to thatI was making my own point and using your worthless wojak post to do so. I'm happy you got to eat decent meat the other night, here's hoping you get to do so again before 2027.>>21892887>but shit like this is retarded in the conversation of general rising costs and economic decayI'm giving individual-level solutions for individual-level problems. You're taking my individual solution and acting like it's a systemic prescription. Retarded logic like that will lead you to see retarded conclusions. Things could be better on a systemic level and there is a separate conversation to have there with different solutions, but a person has the most control over themselves and the best advice you can give an individual is to maximize their own place in society. Then if the riots happen they will have been in the best position to prepare.
>>21892611>eat>fuck>fart>stand around>drink milki’m OK with killing them because they have it better than i do
>>21892866You seem to have mineral deficiency brain on account of your poor dietary choices. Let me help you:>omnivores eating meat is like the natural evolutionary order of every living organism>omnivores deliberately omitting half of their evolved diet is unique on this planet to brain damaged humansYou may not like it, but you are what peak retardation looks like
>>21892921Utterly based on so many levels
>>21892921I do all of those things and I get to shitpost on 4chan like all cows would love to do if they had the chance
>>21892887>Still retardedIndeed! Not taking advantage of sales and freezing meat when you've got the chance is indeed retarded! I'm glad we agree, retard-kun.>>21892907>your worthless wojak postI have never in my life posted a wojak, needs-to-get-his-eyes-checked-and-work-on-his-reading-comprehension-kun.>hoping you get to [eat meat] again before 2027Not tonight! Wife's cooking so there'll be no beef. Not sure what she'll whip up besides this one dish and I know she'll be crying about not doing it correctly because she rarely ever does it right and my son and I will have to tell her we don't care (we really don't) that it's not perfectly spherical. She's such a perfectionist, it legit makes her upset af that she can't get it it all round and puffy.We might have fish since we bought some Saturday, and that counts as meat but no land meat will be had today.Tomorrow's my night. Cooking up lamb noodle soup.>>21892882lmaoThat's almost exactly what my brother said when that shit first came out. He and my SiL are vegan and he was like "it tastes just like meat! It even bleeds like meat!" so I taste it and said "it does not taste like meat. You've gone without for so long, you don't even remember what meat tastes like".>>21892872Never had it. I wfh and cooked up two of the Bocas as part of lunch. Not terrible for a buck a box.
>>21892827Thank you for your loss?
>>21890515It didn't happen cause of pushback, same goes for ze bugs. Despite popular belief you can say no.
>>21893003Don't tell him that. Are you trying to collapse two party capitalism?
>>21892974>replies to my post that replied to a wojak, saying "not the point I was making">when he apparently wasn't even the one who posted the wojakWhat a fucking retard you are. I will not read any of the rest of your post or the one you reply to this one with.
>ayo mane yurr dat fake sheit aint even aryan yahurr?>muhfuggin bix nood odin wigga muh vikang ancestors aint eat no fake ass meat bruh>muhfuggin gmos mane they put that fluoride shit in the food and made me nut to troons all day on ODIN wigguh
No matter lol, i eat meat, so it doesn't matter.
>>21893022Jesus, you're just as retarded as the wojak poster. See >>21892857>Not the point I was making /to that retard/It's clear I was talking about a point I made to the wojakposter, not to you, my unintelligent amigo. There's no comma there so I was clearly talking about another retard, retard (see how commas work?). Not to you. >I won't read what you postNot that you could comprehend what you've read, anyway.
Impossible just tastes better.
>>21889963/biz/ here. i looked at the stock right after it ipo'd. i rejected the idea because 1. I tried it and did not like the taste, 2. It was MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REAL BEEF BURGER. The demographic willing to pay a premium for veggie burger is fixed and it's tiny. It's not a growth product. There's no new customers if flavor is mediocre and price is same or higher. Maybe MAYBE you could get traction if this were a cheap low fat protein source, which it isn't. The stock had some hype based pump & dumps that were tradeable but that was it.
