why is it bad for us again?
well first of all it's useless for real cooking and needs to be replaced every year so it doesnt even matter at that point
>>21937733https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bilott Ask him man I dunno
>>21937734>replaced every yeardo you clean it with a sand paper? never had one start flaking off after just a year
It's planned obsolescence the pan and now we have things like carbon non-stick anyway
Yummy polytetrafluoroethylene.
>>219377362-3 topsalso you cant use metal utensils which is annoying as fuck and most of them have shitty thermal mass not to mention how they literally melt when you heat them up barely enough to fry something
>cook with iron>it sticks>scrape it off with metal >nothing happens I'm good thanks
>>21937736NTA but metal utensils and high temps kill the coatingOn an air fryer the coating seems to last forever but it's also temp controlled and very few occasions do you use a fork or spoom
Why is this polytetrafluoroethylene and not poly polydifluoromethyl?
>>21937739are you trying to fry in lead or something?oil will start to burn sooner than the teflon melts
>>21937735That's byproduct waste though
>>21937741>metal utensilsWhy would use use metal utensils for Teflon?
>>21937736i get 3-5 years out of mine. i occasionally use metal utensils. i recently switched to a ceramic non-stick so i dont really have to worry about this anymore.
>>21937739>>21937740>>21937741>>21937746
>>21937733Because, almost hitler, people in general are fucking stupid and don't know how to use them. You're not supposed to heat them above 500F. Most people do this, inhale toxic gases, get sick, destroy the pans in about a year and repeat the process every year...>>21937736Unfortunately most people use the green brillo pad meant for stainless steel cookware. This isn't as bad as burning Teflon releasing toxic gases but it does speed up how quickly the pans degrade.>>21937740Cooking with cast iron is honestly an IQ/patience test. If you take the time/effort to mirror polish it, properly bond about 100 very thin layers of avocado oil on it, then it's possible that this will become a hand-me-down for generations.
>>21937747i use wooden spoons and metal tongs.
>>21937747yeah let me use fucking wood tweezers for spaghetti and spoons for basting>>21937743avocado oil smoke point is 270C and these are not safe to use at 230C and definitely not safe to use at 260C
Just use cooking oil.>noooo i don't want to use bacon grease or olive oil, i need a magical chemical to keep my eggs from sticking
>>21937750>yeah let me use fucking wood tweezers for spaghetti and spoons for bastingWhy are you cooking spaghetti in a teflon pan wtf
>>21937752i only have stainless steel
iirc in temps higher than 268 celsius teflon is not stable anymore may release gasses or peel or strip or get scratched
>>21937733>produces toxic gaz when heated>whole list of known negative health effects when in the bodyall this for a fraction of a carbon steel pan or skillet's power.dude i can cut my steak in my pan whilst it's cooking without having to worry about damaging the pan, heck the more i use it the better it gets.i've had it for 10 years and my grandchildrens will probably be able to use it.
>>21937753Why are you cooking spaghetti in stainless steel pan?
>>21937756are you american by a chance
I’ve been using ceramic.
>>21937748>people in general are fucking stupid and don't know how to use them. This. They can fill a niche but people use them like all around pans and if you're sensible enough to know this then you probably don't need a teflon in the first place because a well seasoned cast iron or carbon steel will get you a non-stick anyway.
>>21937757No. Cooking pasta in a pan instead of pot sounds like something an american would do.
>>21937754>268 celsiusdo you really need that much for cooking?
i have a couple of 120+ yr old cast iron fry pans i use multiple times each day, and never have to worry about growing a conjoined twin out of my armpiti threw out everything i had with teflon, the most worthless thing of all being was a wok that could never actually get to temp without giving you cancer
>>21937740This. Just scrape and eat the iron. Most people don't even eat enough of it regularly anyways.
>>21937733If it scratches, you will ingest chemicals that will give you cancer
>>21937761i have a laser thermometer in my eyes btw
>>21937750>wood tweezers for spaghettiWhere's the issue? Are you crippled?
>>21937764>If it scratches, you will ingest chemicals that will give you cancerPTFE is nearly inert. if you eat it your body won't absorb it, you'll just crap it out. it's only harmful if you heat it over like 500F, because it undergoes thermal degradation to yield harmful compounds.
>>21937733I rather use a greasy old iron skillet
>>21937740you use butter/oil/fat to cook, deglaze while it's hot with a wooden or plastic spatula, and rub it down with vegetable oil afterwardsit cleans up super fast and easy. i made an egg sandwich earlier and had my iron clean in like 30 seconds after i was done cooking with it.
>>21937767Yeah nah mate, enjoy your cancer lol
>>21937766you don't even know what i'm talking about alsocons of using non stick>have to change the way i cook>might get cancer idk>have to replace it every 2 yearspros of using non stick>uh oh
>>21937734>needs to be replaced every yearMy oldest non-stick coated pan is about 10 years old. You're fake news.
>>21937771>pros of using non stickShareholder value
>>21937772is it non stick
>>21937772>he's been ingesting teflon for 10 years and promotes itit's like toxoplasmosis, except with cookware instead of cats
>>21937733it isn't
>>21937774Of course>>21937775Learn to cook
>>21937758i have that exact pan, it uses a "Switzerland ILAG nonstick coating" coating.https://www.ilag-group.com/en/pfas-ptfe-free-nonstick-coating/These are some sort of PTFE-based (as in Teflon) and often PFOA-free and sometimes PFAS-free coatings.So you're cooking with teflon anyways, if you're using that specific pan.
>>21937777it's impossible to cook well with a non stick>>21937778it's a retarded goy dont even bother he's gonna cope anyway
>>21937765>laser thermometeris the oil smoking? yes = badno = everything alrightis it that hard?
>>21937780light smoking is how you know a particular oil is up to tempyou just gonna stare at your cold pan hoping the egg will denature under the psychological pressure?
>>21937780if the oil is smoking youre already inhaling and later ingnesting toxic fumes you fucking imbecile and this is not applicable to high smoke poin toils
>>21937779Maybe if you an incapable retard
>>21937733I've seen even the federal health inspector mistake the coating for the resources. Teflon is inert as fuck and thus hardly harmful to you, it'll just go right through and the only concern is micro fragments lodging in your body if you start nomming flakes of it. The toxic shit like pfas poisoning all of mankind is one of the resources it's made from, which asshole companies like 3m don't bother to keep properly contained. So tldr it's not, not directly, but manufacture involves things you don't want irresponsible american companies to handle.
>>21937780Stick the shaft of a wooden spoon into the oil, if it starts to form tiny bubbles, the temperature is right for cooking, turn the flame down and put the steak in.
>>21937783>me american, me smart, me don't eat the carcinogenic part
>>21937783try to make pan sauce on non stick ape
>>21937733>forever stays in your body
>>21937733modern formulations are pretty idiot proof, but in the past, it could turn into a toxic cancer causing mess, but even then you had to be full retard.like >>21937734 said though, just get a steel pan and stop being retarded.
I just use these "granite" pans. They are apparently free of PTFE, it's just ceramic mixed with bits of minerals. I found them just as non stick as teflon and still no damage after using them for 4 years or so.
There are warnings against keeping birds in or near kitchens. The reason is that birds have different respiratory systems than us, and if they're near a hot nonstick pan then they'll just fucking die, while we're unharmed and just get cancer later. This is why they used canaries in coal mines, birds can't deal with poison gas attacks
Let me guess, you need more?
>>21937786>everyone on the internet is American
I think the hexclad Is the safest btw...until it "breaks"
>>21937787Problem?
>>21937792>have to rub oil into it after every usage or it rusts immediately
>>21937790po la cy
>>21937790thats still ptfe aka teflonits manufactured by pfluon
>>21937792Aside from bread a stainless steel pan can do everything better and still be oven safe(if you buy the right kind) cooking eggs in a pan is a pain in the ass so most default to teflon but with proper oiling you can cook in stainless just as easy.
>>219377961) it takes 10 seconds to rub oil on, and that also preps it for next use2) if it's well seasoned, you can be lazy and not do it
>>21937798https://klausberg.eu/gb/cooking/frypans/pancake-pan-christmas-designs-aluminum-non-stick-coating-beige-o265-cm-klausberg-kb-7970.htmlThey claim it's free of PTFE
FUCK JANNIES!
>>21937801thats probably the only pan they sell there that doesnt have ptfe coatingeverything else does
>>21937801I just don't cook in fuckin plastic
>>21937799???Just get a LODGE cast iron skillet already godsDAMN
>>21937796Are you putting it in the dishwasher or something?
>>21937819But its easier in a stainless pan anon.
>>21937819clean your kitchen anon
if it's not cast-iron, it's teflon. Everyone has been exposed to teflon already, it's too late.
>>21937819I can almost feel my heart stopping
>>21937819if i try to make eggs on my cast iron i also have to have them swimming in fat like this or they stick like a motherfuckerno amount of seasoning has ever helped but i see youtube videos showing it's apparently possible. annoying.
>>21937824No it isn'tReplicate that video with a stainless steel panI'm not gonna hold my breath >>21937832From a teaspoon of butter?
>>21937836>a teaspoon of butter is swimming init!!!
>>21937837>>21937840Buy an ad google gemmi
>>21937843Buy an ad faggy dupont I just don't fuckin cook in plastic, son
I had a small teflon pan that was pretty chipped up and I used it occasionally for like 8 years. Will I get cancer now?
>>21937847teflon flakes aren't dangerous because they'll pass through you. the danger is overheating the pans and them off-gassing.
>>21937769>deglaze while it's hot with a wooden or plastic spatula
>>21937852I have an electric stove and it goes from 0-7 for heat. I usually set it to 4, put some butter in it, and make scrambled eggs with it. How do I know if it gassed me?
>>21937847Off gassing will kill a bird or small rodent so you can gander what the real dangers are for teflon. Also razor blades majority of the time are entirely teflon coated. You have to go out of your way to get razor blades without teflon but for cooking you can avoid alot of the material dangers with stainless, cast iron, wooden/steel utensils and wooden cutting boards.
>>21937809>>21937798Oh wait, it's different pot.I guess the many other sellers of these pots are wrong. Multiple sale offers claim it's PTFE free but the klausberg never claimed so. That confused google AI too.
During high school I used to make mashed potatoes with a tall teflon-coated aluminum pot, we scratched the hell out of it mashing the potatoes.My balls must be like 25% microplastics.
>>21937733>fluorinefluorine is a hateful element
>>21937858>birdthey shouldnt be pets anyway>small rodentno loss
>>21937793this but unironically
Telfon makes you gay.
>>21937750They're called tongs lmao.
>>21937819>way too much grease>careless swashing of said grease>pre-ground pepperdisgusting
>>21937733People are afraid of some ominous "glue" compound that connects the teflon and might appear when the layer flakes off, because they are not aware that it works purely mechanical by first abrasive treating the metal.
>>21937734>>21937736>>21937739>>21937746>>21937772Some nonstick coatings are more durable than others. Some absolutely do start scratching/flaking even if you baby them, don't use over medium heat, don't preheat, don't use metal utensils, don't stick them in the dishwasher, etc.Some last a super long time.The most durable I've found is Excalibur coatings. Pic related. What happens with these is once they wear down a bit and those little stainless steel bumps start poking up out of the nonstick surface, utensils start gliding along the bumps instead of the nonstick surface and the pan just... stops wearing any more.They're basically the concept of Hexclad but much better (actually nonstick) and much cheaper ($15 for a 12" skillet from a restaurant supply store).I have two Excalibur skillets from fucking 2018 that look brand new aside from the tiny little stainless bumps sticking through the nonstick, which are smaller than pinprick-sized and look almost like really really fine glitter.They're advertised as metal utensil safe for restaurant use but I don't use metal utensils in them.
>>21937886Phew. So Teflon is fine then and we won't become a fag like (You).
>>21937981Also, one to avoid is Eclipse coating.This is advertised as being exceptionally abrasion/scratch resistant. It is not.I bought a Rachael Ray saucepan with an Eclipse coating because I couldn't find an Excalibur one and the advertised abrasion test results of the Eclipse coating seemed promising.Shit scratched in like a year. Huge disappointment.If I ever manage to find an Excalibur one I know that shit will last like 10 years or longer.
>fry eggs and use it for nothing else>wash by hand with the soft part of the sponge>use only gentle non rigin spatulaWhere am I supposed to have a problem? By the simple act of being white my pan is in immaculate shape 2 years later.
>>21937985>>21937981Ok but you can just get a LODGE cast iron and have it last a lifetime>inb4 nooo you don't understand!!! I NEED to cook in plastic because okay?!!
it's one thing to cook greasy eggslop but it's another to pretend it's anything but
>>21938010You're a pussy if you think a little butter is too greasy lol
https://youtu.be/RvAOuhyunhY>Dark Waters is a film that reveals how DuPont used PFOA, a chemical in Teflon production, which contaminated water and caused health issues in a community. The movie dramatizes the legal battle led by attorney Robert Bilott against DuPont for their negligence regarding these harmful chemicals.
>>21938014Yes, when producing teflon it's important to dispose of industrial waste properly, as DuPont did not.
>>21937845>>21937995What is this stupid fucking meme with the keyfobs?
>>21938014Uh....uhhhhh...this just like...liberal propaganda! The pans are totally safe! If you don't like using them you're....uh...not White! Yeah you're not White.
>>21937995Clean your fucking kitchen you poor ass eurotrash driving wannabe bitch. Tell Daddy I said hi I'ma fuck his ass next.
>>21937733It used to be made with perfluorooctanoic acid, which even in trace amounts would hang around in your system, causing cancer, dicking with your liver enzymes, murdering your sperms faster than tighty whiteys and mountain dew... They stopped using that (at least in sensible parts of the world. I'm sure the USA will slip back to using PFOA to make Teflon/PTFE coating soon enough), but there's still the risk of thermal breakdown of polytetrafluoroethylene. At room temp, flakes of the stuff should just pass through 99.99% of the time, but if you manage to heat it high enough or often enough to start turning it into tetrafluoroethylene, carbonyl fluoride, hexafluoropropylene, my personal favourite: hydrogen fluoride (basically hydrofluoric acid without the water), or whatever other combination of x amount of carbon with y amount of fluorine, the resulting aerosolized or gaseous bullshit can give you fume fever and potentially permanently fuck your lungs.
>>21938044>eurotrash driving... Don't tell him. I want to see if he cooks his keys first.
>>21937995Nice 1988 335
>>21938063>Not an E46Almost.
>>21938003It's nice sometimes to just cook shit lazily in a nonstick pan and not worry about precise technique to keep it from sticking.
>>21937787skill issue lmao.
>>21938076Also nice to cook shit without oil sometimes.Like, sometimes I like to add eggs to dishes that already have quite a lot of fat/oil in them. It's nice to cook said eggs on a nonstick pan without oil.
>>21938080This nigga's using non-stick apes!
>>21938076It doesn't require precise techniqueSee >>21937819>inb4 but muh 1 teaspoon of butter is gonna clog muh heckin arteries so i'm just gonna cook in plastic instead!!
>>21937798>HUA GANG YAN coatingOkay, I'm never buying this.
>>21938085>It doesn't require precise techniqueYes, certain foods absolutely do require precise technique not to stick if you're not using a nonstick pan.
>>21938083? It's not like a fried egg is going to absorb all the oil lol Fat(e) is FLAVOURE
>>21938089I love me some fat. Yes, fat is flavor. I ain't worried about arteries or anything.Sometimes too much fat is just too much fat bro.Like, when I make beef fried rice with ground beef, the fat from the ground beef is enough. I don't need to be adding more fuckin' fat to it.
>>21938087Like what?Like eggies? In a cast iron?
>>21938094Beef fried rice? What the fuck?And lol you add the eggies BEFORE the rice
For me it's focaccia
>>21938086Granite... it means granite.
>>21938100>Beef fried rice? What the fuck?Yeah why not? Shit's great.>And lol you add the eggies BEFORE the riceFor making it in a restaurant with a decomissioned jet engine for a burner, it really doesn't make a difference as long as you fully cook the eggs before mixing the rice and the eggs. The one thing you don't want to do is mix the rice with eggs that aren't fully cooked.For making it at home, fried rice is absolutely best made by cooking everything separately and slowly mixing it together. This is the best way to ensure that fried rice made at home doesn't turn out soggy.
>>21938113Oops i meant "GROUND beef fried rice? What the fuck?"> This is the best way to ensure that fried rice made at home doesn't turn out soggyThis is why you just use cast iron on HIGH heat (if you don't have the setup for a wok) and day old riceplastic pans don't retain enough heat to FRY the fuckin rice
>>21938115>>21938121I just don't fuckin cook in fuckin plastic, son
>>21938121A 12" skillet is absolutely insufficient for cooking all ingredients of a substantial portion of fried rice in one skillet at home.For a substantial portion of fried rice at home, you want to cook the rice by itself for a while to cook some of the moisture out of it, and you only want to add ingredients to the rice once you've cooked some of the moisture out of them separately.If you don't do this, you just end up steaming the whole thing and it gets soggy.
>>21938127>and you only want to add ingredients to the rice once you've cooked some of the moisture out of them separately.Like, especially any frozen ingredients, ESPECIALLY frozen veggies. You absolutely don't want to be just throwing fuckin' frozen veggies into the rice and cooking them like that. Cook them separately and add to rice afterwards.
>>21938127Lol how much fuckin fried rice are you making?! Just make another batch you lazy fuck>>21938133???Why the FUCK would you add frozen ANYTHING to fried rice?Che schifo
>>21938147>Lol how much fuckin fried rice are you making?!If I'm using a pound of meat I'm making four very large servings and a 12" skillet is absolutely insufficient for cooking all of that using a single pan.>Why the FUCK would you add frozen ANYTHING to fried rice?Cos the fresh produce at my local grocery store is inconsistent and often diseased. The frozen is reliable and cheap.
>>21937736Guess what happens, when you don't use metal utensils, or absolutely blaze the heat, like some of these retards? Pots and pans that last 15 years and keep going, with Zero flaking.
>>21937793Everyone whose opinion matters anyway.
>>21938158>nooo you can't use a metal utensil!!!>nooo you can't even get it hot!!!So no ACTUAL cooking can be done on these plastic bullshits? How fuckin useless
>>21938176You just have to not gouge furrows in it with your spoon and use a heat setting between off and max. It's not hard. I'm sure you can manage it if you apply yourself.
>>21938177So you literally just CAN'T make a French omelet, or sear a steakThey don't produce fondThey suck at making pan saucesThey suck at everything except cooking an egg without fat (why anyone would want to such a retarded thing is beyond me)They're fucking useless plastic bullshitsHope that helps!
>>21938176Most nonsticks are stable below 500F. That's you can deep fry at lower temps than that.
>>21938185Why the fuck would you deep fry anything in plastic?Che schifo
>guy who hates cooking in plastic brags about his shitty cars that are mostly plastic
>>21938194The point was that under no reasonable circumstances are you going to exceed safe cooking temperatures. If it can safely deep fry, you can rest assured it can safely do anything else.
>>21938203That's incredibly untrue lol>>21938201So no breakfast on engine? Just more disingenuous sneeding I'm sure
>>21938185There isn't much you should be deep frying in at 500F. I think refined avocado and safflower are good to 500F, other oils and fats will smoke and eventually combust.
>>21937837there's like 5 teaspoons of butter in the pan and 2 teaspoons of butter coating the eggs. 1 teaspoon of butter wouldn't slosh around the bottom of a 12 inch skillet. and you have the nerve to call others disingenuous.
>>21938212>That's incredibly untrue lolUnder what circumstances are you going to exceed those temperatures on a pan?>>21938244That's my point. 450-475 is perfectly sufficient to deep fry.
>>21937733its fine to ingest in the quantities you may get off of pans in normal useage. ptfe as a manufactured product is quite safe. what isnt safe is the remains of the chemicals used to construct the ptfe, which are responsible for PFAS. your body has a safe limit of pfas and being over the limit will cause cancer. it is quite easy to go over the limit and it is mainly lifestyle choices that dictate your pfas levels, and not fucking frying pans.
>>21938251It starts to deteriorate quickly above 500F, but it loses stability closer to 400. That's the reason most aren't oven safe, or if they are, it's like 350F. If your canary dies, you need to dump that pan and get your ass out of the coal mine.
>>21938260>it loses stability closer to 400.Incorrect.Funny you mention the bird thing. I have a 13 year old cockatiel that I've raised since hatching. I don't think the teflon's causing any problems.
>>21938246How fucking disingenuous are you holy shit if you think that's 5 tablespoons of anything you're actually fucking retarded>>21938251>Under what circumstances are you going to exceed those temperatures on a pan?All the time??You're just too weak to lift a cast iron skillet, huhm
>>21938267>IncorrectIncorrect. The degradation by-products start shedding in small amounts as low as boiling temp in well-used pans. The degradation becomes visible destruction above 650-ish F on fresh teflon, but unfortunately these things happen in a very wide range that relies more on possibility than certainty.
>>21938272>All the time??Be specific.>>21938281No. Degradation genuinely doesn't start until around the 500 range. 400 is a myth that originates from people misinterpreting oil vapors as teflon outgassing.
>>21938201How many cars have you eaten?What other than salt and pepper would you recommend?
>>21938294Searing a steak, frying rice, stir frying anything...You can't even make a classic French omelette on those plastic bullshitsThey're fuckin useless
>>21938303>Searing a steak, frying rice,Both can easily be done below 500.>stir fryingYou should be using a wok for that anyway, retard.
>>21938260well that isnt to do with tptfe the way most people think. it's bad for you to consume BURNED things. when you burn the ptfe coating, it is the burnt stuff that is the toxicity problem.
>>21938308>Both can easily be done below 500.Kek yeah if you're a fuckin PUSSY who enjoys soggy rice and overcooked steakleatherFor me, only filet mignons and 2"+ thick ribeyes get a lower temp searAnd I use METAL utensils because why the FUCK wouldn't I
>>21938294Brosef, I work in a QC lab. You won't pyrolize it at 350F but you will absolutely pick up HF in the air nearby. Snag some pH tests, preheat a dry pan, check a shot glass of water nearby before and after. A cheap/abused teflon pan can drop hard water within 10cm by a full point in 20 mins at a maintained 180C. By increasing the temperature, you increase the amount of degradation. 500F is where this is basically guaranteed. If you were working with short chains of ptfe, that's where you would likely see degradation products begin to occur... but you're working with a sheet of it, clad onto a likely-composite pan, being heated on something that doesn't maintain a steady temp. The chances of any one of those CF or CC bonds fucking off on you is far from zero. Even if you have granite countertops or bananas, the chances of a teflon pan shedding is non-zero at room temp.
>>21938322425, minute and a half each side. The steak comes out rare. (I usually grill my steaks so the teflon discussion is really irrelevant here anyway.)As for fried rice. Idk, maybe put that on the wok too if you're advocating stir fry as an example.I'd like to remind you that you're the one arguing these things are "useless." Which is obviously incorrect as you're reaching for any case where they fail.
>>21938337Only filet mignons should be rareRibeyes need to be medium rare to melte the fat(e)For a ribeye I do HIGH heat on a cast iron skillet until it's white30 seconds each side, in the 500F oven for 2 minutes a sideCan't do that with a plastic "pan"Then I fry the rice in the steak drippings on the stove on highCan't do that in a plastic "pan"And I use METAL all the timeCan't do that in a plastic "pan"They're fucking useless dudeWhy do you even WANT to cook in plastic in the first place?I really don't get it
>>21937733What difference does it make? The simple fact that you're asking this proves you can't cook in the first place, so it really doesn't matter what you use. You have nothing of value to contribute to actual cooking discussion, so just use the cancer pan and shut the fuck up already.
>>21938365Again calling out something very specific to try to claim nonstick is "useless."You can fry bacon and eggs. You can sauté. You can cook ground beef. You can use them for anything that doesn't require 500+ degrees which is 90% of anything. You're talking like you only own 1 pan.I have cast iron and stainless steel as well. Sometimes teflon is more convenient.
>>21938396Can't cook bacon because I use a METAL fork to flip itCan't saute because I use a METAL utensil to stirHave you tried making a burger on a plastic "pan?" I haven't, but I'm betting they'll come out uttershitem8Especially compared to a simple old cast iron skilletYou're right, I have multiple stainless steel pots and pans and cast iron skillets/dutch ovensHow does that make using plastic more convenient?
>>21938404You use utensils to sautee?You cook burgers in a frying pan?God damn dude, take your jokes to bant or something.
>>21938406You only shake the pan to saute? And you use a shallow as fuck plastic frying "pan" to do so?I cook burgers in a cast iron skilletThe only time I cook ground beef is burgers or tomater soceLol @ cooking up some fuckjn soce in a plastic frying "pan"What jokes?You still haven't explained how any od that is more convenient on a plastic "pan"
>>21938404Then maybe stop using metal for everything. Teflon is ideal when a fond is not desirable. It makes cleaning as easy as a quick rinse.
>>21938411I shake my steels to saute, yes.I cook burgers on a barbecue the way God intended, Kaiser Soce.
>>21938413Why would I want to stop using the utensils I already have?How is plastic ideal for when a fond jsn't desireable?I can clean my cast iron skillets with just a wipe, if we're only cooking things that require no fond of course>>21938414I highly recommend cast iron burgers over grilledDoesn't even matter the kind -- smashed, onion burgies, or a regular diner burger; they all come out better on a skillet
>>21938423>Why would I want to stop using the utensils I already have?So you can use nonstick. Try to keep up.Nonstick is less likely to form a fond. You can pay less attention to your food as it cooks.It is a convenience product that provides a minor convenience.
>>21938426Ah it all makes sense; you're a wee cooklet!You know people actually ENJOY cooking, right?
>>21938432Enjoying something doesn't mean you want to give it your undivided attention every time you do it. And it certainly doesn't mean being a pompous faggot when you hear some people like to use things that make the act more convenient.
>>21938445It isn't more convenient THOUGHYou just said I'd have to buy a whole new set of plastic utensils or some bullshitThose plastic pans are actually LESS convenient than a cast iron skillet because I have to worry about if the stove is too hot, or I'm using a completely normal utensil, or if the pan is going to provide fond or notWith a LODGE Cast Iron Skillet or All-Clad Stainless Steel,Everything just werks
>>21938456Yeah, it's a huge pain to buy a rubber spatula one time (something normal people use even when they aren't using teflon). It's highly unlikely you're ever going to exceed safe cooking temps for 90% of the things people do in the kitchen. The use case for teflon is when you just wanna fry something up real quick and aren't planning anything fancy. Like 5AM bacon and eggs before work.
>>21938475Why would I want to use a rubber utensil...?Not having the option to exceed a certain temperature makes it less convenient>The use case for teflon is when you just wanna fry something up real quick and aren't planning anything fancy. Like 5AM bacon and eggs before work.And how is it more convenient to use a plastic "pan" for that instead of a regular old cast iron skillet?Can you even use one of them dang plastic "pans" on an induction stove?
>>21938487Yes. Obviously you can use nonstick pans on induction stoves. Are you under the impression these things are just pure teflon? Have you never seen one?
>>21938487yes obviously, unless it's 99% aluminum
>>21938501Oh well I just don't cook in plastic, son
>>21938475>The use case for teflon is when you just wanna fry something up real quick and aren't planning anything fancy.This, especially when said thing is leftovers that taste better fried up than microwaved.Do this with many leftovers and no oil on a cast iron and that shit is gonna stick and/or quickly burn.Add oil to leftovers that don't need more oil and the result is often less than pleasing.Absolutely fucking perfect for a quick fry up of leftovers, no oil.
>>21938856See >>21938517
>>21938183>They don't produce fond>They suck at making pan saucesFond is cope from stick pan faggots.All the taste stays on my meat when frying, I don't need to dilute it and add it after the fact.
>>21937760>doesn't sauce his pastayou don't cook, please leave
>>21937754Yeah, I accidentally left my stove on and my teflon-coated pan was on the burner. I was sitting and eating my dinner and wondering why my lungs were hurting and I was getting a massive headache.You do have to be careful not to be an idiot like that.Also, even tiny amounts of those fumes (which are produced during normal cooking too) will rapidly kill pet birds. If you have a pet bird of any sort, you CANNOT allow the use of teflon-coated pans in the household, or your parrot will be an ex-parrot, pinin' for the fjords.
>>21938904>cook sauce in a pot>cook pasta in a pot>remove pasta and sauce from respective pots to combine them in a pan
>>21938423I've got a 1/4" steel plate for smash/griddle borgs. I'd rather the drippings just join the other sacrifices in the coals than sit there slowly simmering a grey ring of shame onto my medium-well German-American tataki.
>>21938920yep you don't cook
>>21937733>why is it bad for us again?Teflon is inert, they even insert it inside of the human body as a buffer between arteries that rub on and irritate nerves in the brain.The GLUE that adheres teflon to the pan's surface is a carcinogen.
>>21938920... Cook pasta in a pot. Cook sauce in pan. Remove pasta from pot to pan with tongs. Toss slightly underdone pasta in simmering sauce until pasta is properly cooked and has absorbed some of the sauce.You can technically do it all in one pan (either all'assassina or not letting it scorch, like a sane person), but it takes longer to cook pasta at a simmer than a boil, requires some attention to not become bruciati, and will starch up your sauce which gives it more of a French lean.
>>21938952Used to be. They don't use perflurooctanoic acid anymore.The breakdown byproducts are pretty shit for you in acute poisonings and chronic exposure. If you're not regularly huffing or scorching dry pan like a broke tweaker, it should be fine - or at least not any worse than so many other things you're chronically and acutely exposed to.
>>21938897You're a fucking retard>>21938953Depends on the soce
>>21937733it's not.if you happen to eat some it just slides right out since it doesn't stick to anything other than the pan.
>>21939082Any sauce done with the pasta in will become starchier from the pasta, and require more liquid to remain sauce. Stocks wouldn't, but their whole thing, according to the French, is that thickening them in some way turns them into some sauce, which can then be turned into another sauce, Kaiser Soce.
For me, it's EVOO, Italian seasoning and garlic in place of tomato sauce for pasta.
>>21937741>spoom
>>21939501I approve of the spoom, and I'll fuck your viking in the ass until he enjoys it. Wat nou?
>>21939446No i mean I wouldn't cook genovese in a smol pan like I would puttanescaAnd I wouldn't cook the pasta with the genovese soce like I would with the puttanescaAmerikanischekäse
>>21939556It makes me happier than it probably should that you're leaning into it.Stay gold, Kaiser Soce! Stay gold!
>>21937981>don't use over medium heat, don't preheatit's dangerous to cook on medium heat? sounds like bullshit
>>21937981>don't use over medium heat, don't preheat, don't use metal utensils, don't stick them in the dishwasher, etc.so don't do literally anything with them or you get cancer, kek. Why the fuck did the government allow these cancer pans to be sold? There are probably hundreds of millions of these in American households.
>>21939631hundreds of millions per household
>>21939621>it's dangerous to cook on medium heat?I did not say that. I said don't use OVER medium heat. Meaning keep it to medium at most.
>>21939621>>21939657Oh I get what you thought I meant haha. You thought I meant>do not physically place the pan over a medium heat burnerHaha no. I meant don't use a heat level that's more than medium heat with the pan.
>>21937733We love toxic shit
>>21937733Declining gen Xers blame it for their ragged scalps and engorged prostates.
>>21937733Based retards
>>21937746>ceramic non-stick>releases silicone oil to your food>gets sticky in a year due the depletionthey just might be the worst.
>>21938517what did you think the cast iron seasoning is
>>21937733mark ruffalo told me so and he would never lie to me.
>>21943410>actual brainletwhat do you think happens to the oil if you heat up until it polymerizesno all plastics are ptfe
>>21943463are you actually retarded? polymerized oil is plastic. ptfe is also plastic. but polymerized oil is not ptfe.
>>21943410>>21943463grow a brain and stop using ai sloppa to get your opinions and sources. link something real or stop posting you mongoloid.
>>21937733if your stomach reaches 400°C for 10 hours it becomes really bad for you
>>21944052insane that the world is just full of morons like you now. entire world is fucked and you're perpetuating it and shilling it in this thread. if you even had the ability to realize how terrible it all is, you'd fall over dead. but you cant even fathom that. you just look at ai slop and post it here.
>>21938087What fucking precise technique? You have given exactly zero evidence to support your arguement. >Heat pan>Put whatever fat/oil you prefer in it>Put eggs in>????>profitRetard proof, though I can only assume you manage to fuck it up based on your posts. I have had my cast iron pan for 5 years. Never seasoned it. I dont oil it after cleaning. I just fuckin wash it with dawn and towel it off. No rust. I cook with tomatoes and that sort of "no-no" stuff. My pan continues to work flawlessly.
>>21944285I'm a different anon, i only use stainless steel. This does not change the fact that you are ruining yourself and the world by using ai slop, and more importantly you are drastically lowering the quality of this thread and my eyesight by forcing me to look at and engage with this garbage.
>>21937733It's not the ptfe that's bad for you, it's the chemicals they use to bind it to the pan. The whole point of teflon is that it bonds to NOTHING, so they rough the surface and use a primer before applying the final layer of teflon and baking it to make it solid (the reason you can't use high heat). The ptfe stays attached to the pan through a mechanical bond with the surface of the pan and the chemical in the primer. You can't use metal utensils because it scrapes the teflon and picks up some of the primer with it.
>>21937736I had retard roommates that would "borrow" my pots and pans and scratch the fucking shit out of them. Just going to town using my stainless steel spatula to scrape burnt shit off the bottom of my teflon saucepan. Fuck i was so mad. They did that TWICE, the second time after I chastised them for fucking up the first one
worth investing in a glass air fryer?
>>21944333what if i wanted to deep fry tomatoes
anyone else have one of those new nitrided pans? I got a missen one for christmas and it's doing pretty good so far, except for the rivets which seem to have been coated with some shit that flaked off immediately.
>>21937733It can kill a bird in your homeI don’t want something that will do that to a bird.
