Have coffee shops lots all their comfiness, or is it just in my city?>hard chairs>Ikea furniture>some random shit for sale>no seating>sugar drinks making skinny fats even more pear shaped
>>21958998Like you can't seriously expect people to enjoy this Amazon/Marshalls decor environment
>>21959000trips forgot pics
>>21959002This evades logic
>>21958998They just want you to buy shit and then get out, the furniture is cheap as fuck and is only there so it's more than just literally an empty room with a counter.
Mmm that drink was good, I'm gonna get anot- oww my b-AAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!
>>21959004it's actually very logical. they don't want you hanging around taking up valuable real estate. they want you in, hang for a couple minutes and then get out. the more people through the door, the more sales.
>>21959007that's so fucking soulless, I'm better off doing drive through coffee at McDonalds in that case, rather than $4 coffee from some plastic furniture smelling hellholeI'd rather they didn't exist. You can't even take dates there.
>>21959012No, it's not.
>that one guy that brings his cat
>>21959011That goat picture looks like an ayylmao in the thumbnail.
>>21959018>i don't like it so it's not logicalok
They don't want you to stay anymore. Buy your overpriced shit and get out.
>>21959014>$4 coffeeWhere are you posting from? Or, more accurately, when? 2003?>>21958998Same question. That's been the style for the last fifteen years at least.
>>21959012i remember around 2019 a new coffee shop opened near me that had one long bar table on the wall, and stools that had no backs and were taller than the table, so you had to hunch over and it was very uncomfortable. they had a sign on the wall that said something like NO WIFI, TALK TO EACH OTHER.i hope they closed in covid and never opened again.
>>21959061you don't need wifi at a coffee place
>>21959067it's not about the wifi
Blame the performative faggots who'd bring their laptops and chargers and stay for hours on a $3 cup
>>21959083hipsters made the world amazing. Now we're left with farmers markets whose best product is a printed map in a dollarama frame. Fucking hurts my soul. It hurts all ours souls
I visited a place in Portland Maine that had a mix of both comfortable seating at booths and a long table with stools along it. Starbucks is shitty but at the very least there’s still places to sit. Usually go there to read
>>21959101God bless Maine
>>21959130It’s certainly a beautiful state
I can’t think of the phrase coined to describe the phenomenon but, it’s been trend for roughly 10yrs. Like others said, it’s typically to encourage people to move on faster so more people come and go. I was able to find a phrase “15-minute chair” that describes the uncomfortable chairs but it’s usually everything like the industrial echo, standing tables/counters, and loud music
>>21959243can you "mint" a 15minute brahp inside one of these soulless places as a protest?
>>21959243Enshitifcation? But that's more of a general term rather than café-specific.
>>21959007This, they got sick of the assholes who spend hours hogging a table while nursing a single fucking coffee.
>>21958998I remember from like 2000 to ~2015 when a lot of cafe's would be open 24/7, now it's hard to find one open past 3pm.
They suck to the point I even miss old goybucks. Like most things it all went to shit around 2012. They used to be more wood grainy and the chairs were atleast upholstered on the bottom. The mood was more upper middle class/bookworm rather than LGBT/paycheck-paycheck intellectual urban. Speaking of LGBT I miss baristas being mostly attractive straight women, not just nicer to look at but they seemed more hygienic. >Just go to cheap placesGoing back hygienic where I live the staff are all jeets.
>>21959812Yeah you hit the nail on the head. The issue is all the cute girls are just instathots now with only fans, they rarely leave their house or actually 'work' for a living anymore.
>>21959812jeets are getting into the coffee game. do not go to their shops. they also have a shit load of dunkin donuts
My former go-to place is trying to tiktokmaxx, they hired a literal egirl thot (she also works in "online entertainment" lolz) to engage in bantz, and they have more than once asked a customer if they can take a picture of them with their drink to post onlineI just want to be left alone and not added to a palantier social credit tensor calculating death robot's training data, why can't we have the 90s back
>>21959904A lot of coffee shop culture changing is just Zoomers take on Millennial/Gen X culture. It's like how scene-tinted girls will wear Ed Hardy and Affliction Shirts as if they're Emo/Metal/Punk clothing. Zoomer coffee shops that stay open usually double as bars. Seems to be the model that works in that Greenwich Village to Bushwick part of New York, works because you can just transition your drinking when the hour suits you which both keeps you there and keeps you buying.
>>21959092>>21959083Subways aren't hipsters, and they used to have nice seats. no wifi and no sockets though.
>>21959101>Portlandit didn't get burned out by BLM yet?
>>21959812>upholstered on the bottom.those tend to get shat on by shitty people who should be wearing diapers, so they eventually get thrown out in a few months. would only work in more upmarket "causal dining" places.
>>21959812>I miss baristas being mostly attractive straight women,i mostly saw fat chicks and tall skinny men working at Starfucks Inc.
>>21959956That's the point of constantly replacing them, buying lower priced secondhand chairs and tables and why that model flourished and still largely dominates for the past few decades in indie coffee shops. Just go to some cheap secondhand store, buy the old dinner table seats, put them in a cab and for 120 bucks or so you can get a small cafe's worth of comfy seats.
>>21959972they must have ran out of 2nd hand chairs then. or no one is buying the 1st-hand chairs in the 1st place.
>>21959989I've made a few furniture items myself and the cost of just pine is higher than getting something made out of birch at Ikea. Aside from being cut for you the Ikea item will also be painted and lacquered. A dinning room chair that's from the 50s would probably cost over 300$ to be made today. >>21959957I'm in Canada and atleast for a time we didn't have much fat chicks. In the 2000s you were most likely being served by a skinny brunette with a 7/10 face. The kind of imperfect pretty that made fantasizing about her more plausible, even if it wasn't plausible.
>>21958998I don't disagree but at least post some pics of what makes good coffee shops.
>>21959083>performative You’re fucking dumb. No one is trying to show off for you. Coffee shops are one of the few places where you’re allowed to stay for a period of time if you’re going to be doing something in the area for example but that place isn’t open yet. One example: A married couple share a car. One of them goes to work, the other is in college. The one who goes to work would drop the other person off at the college, but tre college doesn’t open until 8am. So the student sits in a Starbucks for an hour doing homework until the college opens. Way more examples than just that. You are projecting a lot.
Myself I've given up on Drive through coffee and joints like these in favor of QTs self serve cold and hot brew coffee bar. I can get a Big QT size coldbrew coffee for like 3 bucks and accurately control the ice and no being hassled for a tip. QT is now my go to place for coffee unless I'm making it at home.
>>21960059Spot the freeloading cuckold
>>21960089You have to be a paying customer to use these services. Their business model is that you come to hang out so long as you’re buying. It’s one of the incentives to attract business. Common courtesy is to buy something every hour if you’re going to be there a while.
>>21960059There used to be a schizo who posted here about the cool hipsters who went to starbucks to be seen in line
>>21958998Majority of coffee shop owners are m*llennials instead of Xers now. Whenever something gets worse, millennials are involved
>>21959688Yeah, it technically falls into the enshitification label in my mind either way. It was like “corporatification” or something that implies the reason is related to a corporation saving money/opportunity cost.
>>21960139The problem is a Gen X/Boomer cafe workers could still own a home. With millenials all the tolerable ones got a practical education cause that was the only way to get a living wage, and the they/thems became Baristas.
>>21958998>hard chairs>no seatingpick one.
>>21959004it's for women.men drink coffee while on the way to work.
>>21959243Longer than that. I remember reading about it in a Jack Reacher novel back when. The author obviously liked sitting in cafes, drinking coffee, and was perturbed by their increasing, modern enshitification. I noticed this myself in the penis-shaped, mushroom seats at Chipotle almost 20 years ago, now. It can serve no purpose than to make you as uncomfortable as possible so you leave.The big enshit trend today is getting rid of delivery drivers and replacing them with one of these Uber-like companies. If your order is wrong, the driver tells you, "not my problem; I don't work for [pizza company];" and if the delivery sucks, pizza company says, "not our driver." Then they just leave it on the sidewalk with the rain & bugs and not even bother knocking on your door and handing it to you. If you paid online (in advance), with tip, this could have cost you $10 for that "delivery."
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>>21960613and this one's not as hipster, but it btfos 99%+ existing cafes
>>21960139Without millenial hipsters, independent coffee shops wouldn't exist anymore.
>>21960607>>21960613>>21960617Im sorry but these dont look good at all. They look cold and uninviting. The 2nd one is the best but even that is only utilitarian and not anything with character.You probably have to go to europe to find sth with this kind of soul.
>>21960659hey man, don't sweat it.It's the best I know, I have not experiences anything better.Your cafe would be better without the hags. But everything is give and ta-ACK
>>21960665Yeah i havent experienced many myself either. Good places are hard to find.Europe has simply had more time to develop their culture.
>>21960680I'm trying to recall some of the nicer cafes I've been to in Asia. Their coffee culture is actually amazing and way better than anything we have in Canada. None of their coffee tastes burnt or upsets your stomach. And I'm talking about more than one country. Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan. They all have better coffee and cafes than Canada.So in Japan they have these upscale trendy cafes called Kissa 喫茶 (chi cha, eat tea). I visited one and I ordered a thick slice of toast and a coffee (3oz) and it turned out to be $15.It was very quiet and only one other patron was inside. It was someplace in Tokyo. Here's the picture. I can't log into my Instagram right now so this will have to do. I'll get you a better photo tomorrow if you want.
>>21960709Yes please post them
>>21958998>>21959000you are supposed to buy something and leave as soon as possible.this isnt a lounge.
>>21960731Here we go, I have no clue what this place is called, but it was near a canal and train station nearby
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>>21959002my favorite café in town looks just like this and it hurts me so much inside.
We should just start calling this 'Jewish design' and 'Jewish architecture' and relentlessly shit on it. Associate Judaism and Jewishness with everything negative.
>>21961502Why is it your favourite?
>>21960659There are/were a few Viennese coffee places like that in Philadelphia fifteen years ago but I'm not sure if they're still around. Lemme look.
>>21961533it was a place I found with friends years ago, so the memories will always make me a little impartial, but mostly the quality of the stuff there is really good. the natural coffee flavour even in the sweeter drinks is always distinguishable, yet never overbearing or too subtle. night and day compared to starcucks except in price, it's not cheap.
>>21961567Good lad. God bless
>>21958998>Have coffee shops lots all their comfiness, or is it just in my city?Money laundering, and/or tax dodge pet projects, or landlord retail space kickback for relatives at discount rental price just to keep it occupied.
>>21960709There's some Korean cafes in my city and they're more European inspired than the kike inspired western trash. They don't go full opulence, but they try to be classy/cozy. As for Europe itself it's not all gold gilding. The post-modern Ikea is there too, and they're even more offensive with it. The classic cafes are treasures worth killing people over though.
>>21961707sometimes it seems like Asian immigrants are saving the west from complete annihilationThey're also the only really why I've kept my mojo all these years
>>21961486Very classic japanese small restaurant/cafe look. I see this look in places owned by japs outside of japan too. Looks like somebody really lives there and not just a place of business. Extremely cozy.
>>21962414Yes exactly!God bless
>>21959014Just wait
>>21962420I still respect that more, I usually take my coffee and leave
>>21959004I don't mind seating like this too much. It reminds me of the little espresso cafes in Italy where customers have their espresso st the counter.
>>21959011I hate seating like this, it's like a joint near me. Having one uncomfortable long pew bench with multiple tables next to each other annoys me.
>>21959011>>21962434>>21960576kek only fatasses could make such a big deal about the seating. Normal people can sit there just fine.
>>21962437normal people are disgusting redditors with no concept of good taste
>>21962439How can someone so fat they get aches from 10 minutes in a chair lecture anyone about taste? Don't you have any shame?
>>21961488>$15 for toast and coffeethey saw you coming
>>21962616>>21962442
>>21962616>American toast and coffee:|>Japanese toast and coffee:o
>>21962933For me, it's>European toastpic
>>21962437It just looks retarded to have garden furniture in a coffee shop
>>21962933I think its a cafe thing rather than a comparison bewteen countries. I cant think of anywhere in the world that wont overcharge you for coffee and a light meal. Coffee is really overrated too.
>>21958998Why do Europoors have such nice coffee shops? It's not fair
>>21958998dude, OP. You get it. this shit sucks!!! I remember back in the 90's there was a local coffee shop, it was so fucking dark you could barely see, they had bean bags and huge ass couches, comfy chairs, a glimer of light here and there if you wanted to read a book. it was the fucking shit.
>>21963063the novelty of it wears off after 10 seconds (if youre a man). much sooner if youre a woman. i can imagine my girlfriend obsessing over this place, wanting to fly to that country to go there, then finally we get there, and right after taking a few photos and ordering a coffee, shes glued to her phone scrolling short videos.
>>21963063I would curate a list of conversation topics to discuss there with my fellow guests. That place seems too important to talk about plain stuff>programming>shai labeufs recent drama>spiciest political takes>craziest travel stories
