hi I'm that papa johns you might remember me from previous threads where I was the papa johns anon and talked about papa johnsyou can AMAwe have sandwiches now which is fun, and we're also phasing out the "papa bites" AND THE PAPADIASyes, both of those terrible ideas are LEAVING THE MENU! in favor of focusing on core qualitypizza, wings, sandwiches, bread-sides, sauces, deserts we are listening and trying to up the standards back to what we should be, which is ABOVE domino's or pizza hut and CERTAINLY Marco'slittle caesars has an on-going ceasefire - we aren't in the same market
The papadias are the best thing they have. Do you just not like making them or something?
Hello, papa John’s shameless shill anon. I was inspired by your transparency and honesty and recently purchased and consumed a pizza from the nearest papa John’s. It was much better than I remembered it being a few years ago. I quite enjoyed the pizza. I will be ordering more pizza from your fine establishments (as long as the particular store isn’t run by pajeets, they ruin everything).I hope you have a nice day.
>>21975327They were always just half-assed calzones, dude. The new sandwiches are basically the same thing but better. A "papadia" was literally just a small or cheestestick dough that got folded on itself. They ARE a pain to make though, that is true, because it requires a specific thickness on the dough and you either have to machine-press or hand-press that and it's a fucking pain in the ass. Same with the bites, which is why I'm glad they're gone too. I've been advocating all along for refining the menu, and trust me those items needed to go.>>21975336I'm very glad to hear that, and I can confirm with my own long history of experience that - for some reason - pizza is simply NOT AN INDIAN'S GAME. I've never worked with an Indian. Not once.They will order food from here, but they don't work in pizza joints.
LESS SUGAR IN THE SAUCE LESS FUCKING SUGAR IN THE FUCKING SAUCE
we also increased our oven cycle time not like any of you neanderthals know what that means >>21975347the ingredients of our sauce is as follows:>Fresh vine-ripened tomatoes (our tomatoes are freshly packed from vine to can in the same day), sunflower oil, sugar, salt, garlic, spices, extra virgin olive oil, citric acid (maintains freshness).I wish it had a bit less sugar too but it is what it is I'm not the CEOyou go tell Shaq the sauce should be less sweet
How can they call it Papa John's if they fired Papa John? Did the dude sell his name?
>>21975353I've been screaming it from the rooftops for decadesI know Americans are inundated with sugar but that doesn't mean your sauce has to taste like tomato icingIt's inedible
WE CALL THEM "BABY PAPABELLAS"
>>21975362I know dude, trust me, It's always been my biggest complaint and I think a more robust sauce would really set us apartI wish they would fucking listen to me alreadyFor oldheads who have followed these threads over the last few years, you've NOTICEDWhat did I say????>focus on doing what we do best, better>cut the bites, cut the papadias>do sandwiches, but not pasta>improve our wings>dial-in on sauces as our best gimmickevery single fucking thread I've made has been an improvement the brand eventually made but they still won't listen to me about LESS SUGAR IN THE SAUCELITERALLY EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S TOO SWEET
>>21975364nobody calls them that in-storewe call those mushrooms, dude
it's actually a legendary fumble that we started doing sandwiches but didn't bring back meatballs for itmeatball sub is like the easiest layup in historyand we just didn't do it
>>21975372Meatballs are also the toppest tier pizza topping and are dirt cheap
>>21975378yeah, for some reason a while back we dropped them from the menu. I am not alone in thinking that the oven-toasted sandwiches are a perfect time to bring them back. They're not even a "troublesome" ingredient, the way that vegetables are. We never freeze anything, but meatballs keep very well in refrigeration, and when they ARE on the menu people DO order them. But not enough for just pizzas.But if you add a meatball parmesan sub to the mix....well there you go....but for some reason the 3 sandwiches they decided to roll out with are:>Philly Cheesesteak>Chicken Bacon Ranch>Steak & Mushroomseems a bit redundant, right? Steak and Mushroom is pointless. Swap that for a meatball sub EZ any day.
>>21975380>Two steak sandwiches How much beef does papa johns order/go through? I would think with beef prices constantly rising corporate would want to REDUCE beef purchases not add more demand
>>21975381That's why I think it's so weird, beef isn't THAT popular. If it was, it would be beef meatballs.but usually it's like>Pepperoni>Italian Sausage>Canadian Bacon>Beef or Philly Steak>Pineapple (I know but it's #4 at least here)>Jalapeno or Green Pepper>Mushroom or Onion>Baconthat's really the bulk of what we're doing here, which is crazy because our best pizza on the menu actually involves almsot none of thatthe best thing we have is a Thin-Crust with Tomato, Chicken, light alfredo sauce, and spinachBut my personal favorite, maybe a secret menu hack which I've mentioned in these threads before is as follows:>thin crust>light BBQ sauce>philly steak>onion>bacon>WELL DONEit's the BBQ steak n' bake, and it tastes just like eating brisketit should be a real menu item but corporate WON'T LISTEN TO ME
>>21975368>LITERALLY EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S TOO SWEETSame reason I won't buy DiGiorno frozen pizzas.Papa John's in Airzona was great. For whatever reason the franchisee locations in Virginia were dogshit and consistently undercooked everything. I've since moved to PA but haven't tried it here.
>>21975386oh also our boneless wings are really good even though they're basically just big chicken nuggetsthey're still good because they're BIG honkin chonks of pure white breast meat>>21975392yeah, the best frozen pizza is Red Barron classic crustevery real nigga knows that
>>21975392also yes your experience will vary greatly based on the locationand the team running itit's either team retard or team knows-what-they're-doing
>>21975392>and consistently undercooked everythingsorry to reply 3 times but this is also important, mostly for any motherfucker working at papa johns who might be reading thisCHECK YOUR OVEN TEMPS YOU MORONSWHAT'S YOUR TIME CYCLE?YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW DO YOU
>>21975398Duhhhhhh I put the pizza on da conveya baws
>>21975399correctbutWHY did you put it there?and when?think jamal, think!
also how do you guys feel about this ideawhy not just a Pepperoni sandwich?double pep just to make sure it's filled up, but basically just a pepperoni sandwichI don't know why we wouldn't do that, seems like a popular idea
>>21975412Usually that's too much bread, but it works with flatbreads and calzones
>>21975414yeah I'm thinking like literally just cheese and pepperoni dialed in on the right ratios so it's not soggyfucking crazy that we're not offering that
>>21975417do you believe in cocaine and eating 1,33 pizzas per day like your pater?
>>21975426you don't have to believe in cocaine, it believes in youand yes they did papa wrongthey did him dirty and it wasn't fair
>>21975315Marco's is easily my favorite of those 4. I'd just start on trying to out pizza the hut and domino's first.
>>21975315Has PJs given us a way to tell them we don't want Door Dash yet and to cancel the order if its what will deliver the pizza?
>>21975437Actually this raises a good question Does Papa Johns even still hire full time drivers
>>21975437Unfortunately no. There was a partnership deal made, and they tried to phase out real drivers, but it isn't really working out long-term. I don't know how long the Doordash deal is for, but we're kind of locked-in on that. Nobody is happy about it.
>>21975445We do still hire drivers at some locations. Some don't. It depends on volume and individual managers. Most who are worth their salt still realize that having actual company drivers is obviously superiorDoordash is ass and everybody knows it
I wish PJ's would slice their Canadian bacon instead of julienning it, it was better that way
>>21975463agreed
>>21975315>we have sandwiches nowWait I remember you had those some years back. I ordered one delivered to my hotel room while I was on a business trip. It wasn't that great desu. Just pizza toppings and pizza cheese shoved into a sub roll and the dressing was soooo warm
>>21975471well now we have new sandwiches
Can I fart on your lap
>>21975471Did you fuck it?
>>21975519If by "if" you mean "your mom", yeah
>>21975353>sunflower oilWhy the fuck is sunflower oil being used in a sauce that already contains EVOO. Matter fact if its just a cost saving measure why doesn't corporate just use a higher volume of regular olive oil and axe the EVOO and SF oil. I have found little difference between EVOO and Regular in pizza sauce post cook
Are the Tuscan cheese sticks going to stay around? My gf orders those and would be sad if they went away.
>>21975315Reckoning status?
>>21975315Dominos is cheapest in my area so i just get dominos. Tell whoever the new Papa is that if they want my business they need to price-match with the D
>>21975983I don't think Papa is after poors dollars like yours. Keep eating your shit pizza loser.
>>21975984If he wasn't after poor dollars he wouldn't be making pizza
>>21976099Spoken like a true poor.
>>21975569they're not going anywhere as far as I know, they sell really well and I don't see that changing>>21975584the lesson of Papa is that even when an entire room full of people says "No it's Ok, you can say the word just this one time as an example" - don't trust them>>21975983>>21976099you really gotta sign up online and use those deals, it's free to make an account and that's where we throw all our best specials and coupons and shiiiiet because they want people using their app or whatever
>>21975345So have you worked in enough locations to have a feel for the overall, meaning industry wide, product mix? I'm sure you know your location, but can you really speak for what's going on in a store two states away, at least beyond "pepperoni is the most popular topping"? Honestly just wondering how deep your experience goes.I'm guessing the oven times get bumped so the pizzas come out 20 seconds faster, then again, and again, and eventually shit's not getting done. I get that the sauce is sweet, but what's up with them not changing it? Is it that they've already done market research, and they'd lose as many customers as they'd gain if they changed it? Is it the pet of someone in upper management? There must be a reason.
>>21975315Here to remind you that I haven't forgiven you for how shitty the pan pizza turned out to be.
>>21975360They were legally allowed to steal his name because he told people not to be racist and that is a fireable offense.
>>21976120>So have you worked in enough locations to have a feel for the overall, meaning industry wide, product mix? I'm sure you know your location, but can you really speak for what's going on in a store two states away, at least beyond "pepperoni is the most popular topping"? Honestly just wondering how deep your experience goes.I can only speak with certainty or expertise for my area, but that's a pretty large area centered around a few major cities in a major state, which is all I should probably say. So I couldn't tell you exactly what the situation is 2 states away, but it's all more or less the same thing no matter where you go - at least that's the goal. There won't be any marked difference like a completely different kind of dough, or whatever. >I'm guessing the oven times get bumped so the pizzas come out 20 seconds faster, then again, and again, and eventually shit's not getting done.Yeah it's the most basic thing to keep your oven temp and time dialed in correctly but you'd be amazed how many locations just let this slip. They almost treat the oven like some kind of Warhammer 40k artifact where they don't fully understand the science behind the machine-spirit but it must be appeased. If your local papa johns always comes out doughy and underdone, that's almost certainly why.>I get that the sauce is sweet, but what's up with them not changing it? Is it that they've already done market research, and they'd lose as many customers as they'd gain if they changed it? Is it the pet of someone in upper management? There must be a reason.I don't know either dude, I've brought this up countless times to people above me that peoples main complaint is our sauce is too sweet. I'm always met with basically the same answer - "Yeah, we have a sweeter sauce"It's by design and there seems to be no interest in changing it
>>21976121I remember, and you were right. The pan fucking sucks and it's a nightmare because of all the special steps involved in both making it and getting it out of the fucking oven and into a box.it never gets well-done enoughif there's too many toppings or the wrong kind of sauce it becomes a big goopy messit's not selling very well at all, I would expect them to pull the plug on it soon
>>21976133How did they fuck it up in the first place? Pizza hut has been doing it for 50+ years. In all that time they couldn't send one corporate spy to get the secrets? Or just google americas test kitchen? I'm sure they have a recipe.
>>21976134I dunno man, the whole thing has been a logistical nightmare. Whatever "testing" they did on this thing just does not hold up in the field.
>>21975362>Tomato icingAnon it isn't THAT sweet
>>21976386i mean sure he's exaggerating but it IS way too sweet
>>21975315Where can I get a bag of papa john's pepperoncini?
>>21976457I actually couldn't tell you, but the good news is they're just...pepperoncini peppers, dude. There's nothing special about them, just go buy yourself some peppers. Congratulations you did it.
Those were the days. PJs helped feed me through college
>>21976567yeah the best thing we have now comparatively is the papa pairingsif you're not using this deal you're like a sucker or something I dunno what else to tell you
>>21975336>>21975345Wait, Papa John's has improved? How long ago? That's one of my job's go tos for pizza days, but they haven't gotten it in months.
>>21975315Oh great more shitty fast-food pizza sandwiches that are small overpriced and suckjust what everyone asked for REPLACE THAT SHIT YOU CALL CHEESE BREAD WITH A PIZZA HUT CLONE OF THERESYOU KNOW ACUTAL CHEESE BREADBRING IN SOME PASTAS TO PAIRAND BLEEEASSEE BRING BACK THE BURGER PIZZA IT WAS SO FUCKING GOOD
>>21976785sorry dawg but the cheesesticks are untouchable as a menu item, almost every single order has some fuckin cheesesticks with them so apparently people like themnot changing not going anywhere>BRING IN SOME PASTASyou don't actually want us to do pastayou think you do but you don'tthis is a bad idea and we're not gonna do it, and if we did do it it would probably kill the companymotherfucker over here wants PASTA from papa johns>AND BLEEEASSEE BRING BACK THE BURGER PIZZA IT WAS SO FUCKING GOODI got good news for you dawg, it's almost certainly coming back this summer again
>>21976571I won't participate in these data mining schemes fast food companies have taken to, and as a result, I haven't eaten any of this shit in years.If you pay for this shit at all, you're a sucker, you can make a better pizza at home for a fraction of the cost and time.
>>21976785and just to clarify on why pasta is a bad iea - you have to understand our stores are simply not built for itwe have THE OVENeverything goes through THE OVEN, it's all designed around thatso you would have to have some level of pre-cooked going on here, like some marie callendars shit in a lasagna tray that was already half-done, refrigerated, and heated the fuck up againyou want that? I don't think you do it's not like we secretly have a full kitchen hiding in the back with boilers where we can put big pots of fresh pasta or something
>>21977001>oh no papa johns will get my phone number and know what kind of pizza I likeI get being safe about your digital footprint but really dude
>>21975315>little caesars is in a cease firea little caesefire?
>>21976131>just let this slipProbably Pajeet owners running the shortest cycle possible to churn out food faster and make more money.
>>21977085Nah, there's only so much you can get away with shortening it before quality is just noticably unacceptable, and the 30s-1m you might be taking off your out-the-door times isn't really worth it It's mostly laziness, or people just genuinely not understanding what the standards are supposed to be. I've gone to other stores before and seen how their pizzas are coming out and said "holy shit that's completely wrong that's like a 5/10 you can't serve that" only to be met with>that's how we've always done it and nobody complains you see people always said Papa was a bad boss but the reality is he just vigorously enforced standards and lazy motherfuckers who think they've found an easy job don't like that
>>21975315sup dude?
>>21977176nothin
>>21975556sorry I missed this oneit probably is just cheaper or something or food scientists in a lab said it was the best and they're not changing itI don't think the recipe has changed for like 20 years it's the same sauce as always, maybe the exact ratio of ingredients gets moved around but I couldn't tell you
>>21977184i'm the anon that spoke with you many months ago about the pullaparts and the pizza cookie and how delicious they are. how's business doing? also, are the papadias gone for good?
>>21977195Oh yeah of course I remember youBusiness is good even though sales are down a bit overall, and there is some turbulence with restructuring the menu and other things>also, are the papadias gone for good?That's the plan. And the Papa Bites. They were just too much of a pain to make, it clogs up the makeline because of how many extra steps are involved.You have to remember that when we on-board new people most of them are like literal fucking retards so the goal is to keep the process as simple as possible. Generally I think we're doing the right thing by pairing down the menu to just focus on our core things like I listed earlier>pizza, wings, sandwiches, bread-sides, sauces, deserts It may seem counter-intuitive but the sandwiches are much easier to make and pump out than the papadias. The bites were always a stupid gimmick except for the oreo bites which nobody ever orders anymore, not enough to justify keeping them around just for that.
>>21975378yeah ngl meatball pizza is good when done right (whole meatballs not sliced where they dry out)sad to hear it's going away
anyone remember the Five Sausage monstrosity?
>>21977345a lot of us really want to bring back the meatballs especially since the sandwiches are here nowit's retarded to not have a meatball sub
