It's proving harder than I thought. If I had a wife and plenty of space and/or a lot of time it would be a lot more manageable, but even the most basic shit has emulsifiers or preservatives in it so cooking everything from either single ingredients or simple, perishable foods is time-consuming and annoying as fuck. Also 100% whole food meals post thread.
>Nutritionist Dr. name you've already forgotten again spews nonsense in desparate attempt to be relevantColor me surprised
>>21978110It's not about this one guy. He's just one of many I chose arbitrarily.
>>21978105It's not that hard. Just only buy foods that aren't ultra processed and cook with them. Personally, I would worry more about getting your daily macro/micros in if you want to be healthy as fuck.
>>21978110>eat fresh fruits and vegetables>>NO THAT'S NONSENSE!autism
>>21978105His book is breddy gudAnd yeah I already don't eat very much UPFs, eat even less now. It's hard to avoid completely given how our food distribution works in America >>21978110You're right, go eat that McDonald's and then come home and eat a whole sleeve or Oreos. Your body your choice girl!
>>21978125It's pretty inconvenient to get perfect. Yesterday I wanted to put lemon juice on my meal but but my lemons had gone bad. I reached for my pre-bottled lemon juice but realised it still contained a preservative. And so on and so on for a bunch of ingredients I didn't think I'd have to worry about. And I have to prepare every meal ahead to bring with me while I'm out. I can't just eat fruit for lunch if I want to get enough protein when I forget to bring lunch to uni.
>>21978166That's fair my lemons always seem to go bad way too quickly. Separating them helps a lot to avoid mold etc. I guess at that point you have to go like do I commit to eating preservative free and have a subpar dish without lemon juice or add the premade one.As for eating out, I guess that's a pain. In my area I would go for Greek or Lebanese food maybe.
>>21978105Preservatives and emulsifiers aren't inherently bad. Some may be, but some are things you'd naturally consume eating whole foods anyway.If you want to avoid processing as much as possible then you have to be willing to pay a lot more and also simplify your diet. Easiest would be to probably just make a big batch of soup/stew with single ingredients and then eat that throughout the week.
>>21978130That's not what they're saying though, they're saying:>NO, DO NOT EAT [poorly defined group of food]Everyone agrees fresh fruits and veggies are good, what's annoying is retards trying to push "organic" quackery. No, a bag of sweets being "organic" does not make it healthy.
>>21978204Actually, you're just ignoranthttps://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-are-ultra-processed-foods
>>21978204It's not a poorly defined group anon. Ultra processed foods are defined by being creations that the average home cook couldn't come close to in their kitchen. Do you think you could re-create Flamin' Hot Cheetos at home and have it taste exactly like the prepackaged ones? No, you can't because the Cheetos contain ingredients that no home cook would have in their kitchen. I cant remember the last time I was over someone's house and they said "oh the stew looks good, better add some Red 40!". Best way to make the distinction for me is Lays chips vs Pringles. Lays are literally sliced potatoes salted and fried. Pringles are a pre cooked potato slurry that is formed into a shape and then cooked. One is food, the other is an industrial process that mimics food. I agree that "organic" as a term is overused but that is the food industry's fault for co-opting it. The word still has meaning, you just have to be very careful about what you buy that is advertised as such. >>21978166I don't think Van Tulleken ever says you have to be 100% preservative free, after all salt and sugar are preserveatives and they're both good for you in moderate amounts. Just try to avoid as much as you can. And plus some natural emulsifiers like corn starch aren't bad for you on their own.
>>21978212Good to know the term is actually somewhat defined, but this still reaffirmed some of my beliefs. They state in the article that "ultra processed" does not necessarily mean "unhealthy". I've always advocated for people to ignore broad labels and instead look into specific ingredients and dietary requirements, this article has not changed my beliefs in that regard.
>>21978222forgot picrel
>>21978105For me the hardest part is flavor variety/diversity/etc. So I'll buy the more expensive, less-processed sauces and spices like primal kitchen, bachan, and kinder. Kinder isn't perfect, but realistically it's such a small part of my diet I'm not worried about it. I go through a bottle maybe once a month. If you're struggling with the time consuming parts, maybe simplify your meals. Look into Crock-Pot or Sheet pan meals, there's a lot of good stuff out there. Realistically, if you don't have kids you should have plenty of time.. is work what cuts into your ability to fucking live?
>>21978105Yeah but I'm autistic and have eaten literally the same exact home cooked meals every day for over 600 days. It's easy to cook all of your meals from scratch when there's only 1-2 things you ever cook. The most processed things I consume are condiments like soy sauce, oyster sauce, mirin, and oil (part of stir fry vegetables). Tofu for protein is somewhat processed as well, but I consider it the same level of processed as cheese (it's curdled soy milk). Not a vegetarian, just keeping cholesterol down. Main carb is rice with lentils mixed in. Breakfast is plain oatmeal, sometimes with fresh or frozen fruit. Fresh vegetables are a pain in the ass to chop up twice a day every day so I buy frozen vegetables mixes to stir fry, frozen lets me buy a bunch of them at once and not worry about them going bad. Fresh vegetables from my grocery store are a scam, they sell them just on the very edge of turning bad so they only last 1-2 days after you bring them home, if you don't cook them immediately the same day you buy them then forget it.
>>21978222Ignoring this broad label is stupid though, and doesn't align with the rest of the article which advocates for labeling UPF as such.
>>21978224>whole grain bread>ultraprocessedi wouldn't really consider those the best examples of ultra processed food. they're also healthier because they're not entirely ultra processed foods.
>>21978233I just eat McDonald’s usually, sounds way better than whatever that shit you just wrote out is. I can’t believe you’re even still alive without eating McDonald’s every few days. McDonald’s is designed to keep us alive and keep us increasing. We need to increase to make more McDonald’s to make more increases across the globe. I never leave the house without a large McDonald’s fries and a burger in my Fanny pack in case of emergencies. I eat a fry every couple minutes to keep myself healthy and powerful. I’m getting so fucking strong and can work way more to achieve a better tomorrow for the future peoples. Life may suck for us but one day hundreds of years from now we’re going to be mentioned.
>>21978235It depends on the brand. There's a lot of bread in America made with corn syrup and xanthum gum despite being whole grain. There's a lot of fucking SAUSAGE at the grocery stores made with corn syrup
>>21978216>I don't think Van Tulleken ever says you have to be 100% preservative free, after all salt and sugar are preserveativesWell I don't avoid salt. I try and look up everything in multi-ingredient foods to see what it is, like that it turned out ascorbic acid is just vitamin c, which I'm okay with. >>21978182I genuinely appreciate the advice, but lemons are just an example from yesterday. Happens with far more integral ingredients too frequently.>>21978182>As for eating out, I guess that's a pain. In my area I would go for Greek or Lebanese food maybe.They're great but not if you're trying to be completely perfect. I've worked in kitchens, even the most organic kitchens will use ingredients containing artificial preservatives and colours and so on. >>21978195>Easiest would be to probably just make a big batch of soup/stew with single ingredients and then eat that throughout the week.This is what I often do. A little miserable to do so monotonously though.>21978204I don't worry about organic really, I'm looking at the actual ingredients. >21978231Between working out, uni, work, and relationships I don't have that much spare time, but I do spend a lot of it cooking, that's what I'm saying. For me flavour diversity is probably less of a struggle than the inflexibility of no good on-the-go options and having to replenish stocks so frequently when everything is perishable.
>>21978234Ignoring the label does not mean gorging yourself on the bad UPFs. It just means look a little deeper.Cut soda because of it's high sugar content, cut reconstituted meat because of it's carcinogenic factor, DON'T cut baked beans just because they're "ultra-processed".Companies aren't all adding some secret single chemical that makes all food bad and ultra processed, there are specific ingredients making all of the bad ultra processed foods unhealthy. Grow a brain and learn to identify the actual culprits and not just follow the broad label.
>>21978246I think that would depend on the ingredients of the baked beans t b h. The longer an ingredient list is, the less likely I am to buy it or trust it.
>>21978238Least obvious McDongos shill
>>21978244You're on the right path anon but don't turn this into a source of anxiety. It's good to eat right but don't give yourself analysis paralysis while trying to research every ingredient's ingredients
>>21978246>DON'T cut baked beans just because they're "ultra-processed".But DO cut baked beans because they have as much sugar as soda.
>>21978249That's a good idea. I will say that long ingredient lists don't always mean something is inherently bad, BUT if you don't have the time to check, it's better to be safe than sorry.
>>21978105>Also 100% whole food meals post thread.Anyone have any btw? Give me some ideas. Especially for quick and easy things to make.
>>21978252>don't turn this into a source of anxietyYeah there's a condition called orthorexia that can fuck you up. It's like anorexia but instead of being obsessed with weight you're obsessed with whether food is healthy enough or not to the point of not eating any food and starving yourself because all of it has poison in it.
>>21978252Unfortunately I have a very obsessive tendency. I don't like to half-ass things and I'll get stunlocked with research.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to define. It's very straightforward to me. If what you're eating is made with ingredients you can't make in your own kitchen, it's ultra processed. You can grind spices, juice things, and compress things enough to get oil.You can't make xanthum gum, hf corn syrup, or the colors and preservatives. Just because a lot of things are included in each category does not make it fucking difficult to define.Frankly, I find defending them to be a braindead understanding, and a defense of our hyper-consumerist system that allows the shitty monopolies to dominate with their shit products and underpaid employees.Pic rel is from the group referenced in the John Hopkins article
>>21978242That's true but the majority of those things are still whole foods. If it's 90% whole food and 10% ultra processed, obviously it's not going to be severely unhealthy because the majority of it is still whole food. You'd have to be dense to put baked beans and cheap cookies into the same "ultraprocessed" category.Potato chips are like 40% refined oil and even compared to french fries made with the same ingredients the ratio is different and fries have less oil and more potato. I think when people say things like ultraprocessed foods are unhealthy they mean when a food product has a substantial amount of ultraprocessed ingredients and not as much when it's only making up a small part.
>>21978256what about sushi? >can be composed of entirely whole foods>can be pretty nutritious if made correctly>tricky at first, but generally pretty fun to make
>>21978246Do cut heins baked beans because they use HFCS and are incredibly high in sodium, yes. Make your own fucking baked beans, it's not hard.
>>21978259OpeWell try to remember any UFps you eat are such a small percentage of your diet, it's really nothing to worry about if you're over 50% whole foods kinda person.
>>21978265I like that suggestion actually. I've made sushi once or twice before but not in a long time. Would probably be easy to mass-prep fillings with variety ahead of time too.
>>21978261You can't make sliced bread in your own kitchen?
>>21978262130g of Bush's Baked Beans has 12g of sugar. 130g of Coca-Cola has 19g of sugar.I don't think 7g difference in sugar is enough to declare the beans healthy. The beans are NOT healthy, they're diabetes.
>>21978275It's easier to drink 130g of soda than to eat 130g of beans. Beans are also pretty filling and low calorie to begin with which usually means preventing a lot of issues like diabetes even if you consume sugar.
>>21978105>nigga hiding in foods like i hides in bushes when i peep on my neighbors so i can masturbateDaaaaaaaaaaaaam yo
>>21978273The sliced bread at stores is made ultra-processed. The ingredients used are different than any a bread recipe you can make at home. I really don't understand why this is so difficult for some people to follow. Maybe it's because I was forced to read ingredients lists during a time I was having food-based reactions but it seems like some people have never bothered.
>>21978262No, that is not what they mean. You don't have to defend what you want to indulge in by redefining terms. Just accept that you're more willing to eat UPF than some people. Obviously, there are more and less UPFs, there are better and worse choices in the category. But it's retarded to continue this path of allowing companies to prioritize their profit margins over public health. Sausage doesn't need corn syrup and it's not good for anyone's glycemic index.
>>21978242>sausage made with corn syrupgrim
Pork tenderloin and chimicurriIngredients> 2 cups olive oil> 1/3 c red wine vinegar> half a head of garlic> 5-6 jalapenos or chili peppers> whole bunch parsley> 2-4 sprigs oregano >> depends on how densely leafed the oregano is> 2 ~1 lb tenderloins>> they come in two packs around here, not sure how they’re packaged elsewhere> 1lb bag little potatoes, yellow is way better than red.> fresh ground pepper & coarse saltChimichurri Marinade/SauceCombine the olive oil and red wine vinegar, i typically stir with a fork to disperse the vinegar as much as possible but no need to emulsify it.Slice the garlic and add the to the oil/vinegar.Slice the jalapenos, remove or add seeds depending on how spicy you’d like it. Stir into oil/vinegar.Finely chop the parsley and oregano, stir in.Salt/pepper to taste, i highly advise giving it a taste here! You may want more vinegar/pepper/etcLet rest all together until the meat is ready. Reserve 1/4-1/2c of the marinade for dippingPork Tenderloins Pat dry the meat and remove the membrane. It can usually just be pulled but if you have a sharp pairing knife that helps sometimes.Score the meat, with the grain, on all sides.Place in a plastic bag, or whatever marinade container you have for this, and pour the marinade over it.Marinate for at least 1hr, best is 3hrs. You *can* leave it overnight but too long and it’ll be weird.After marinatingPreheat oven to 400.Put foil down on a sheet pan.Place the 2 tenderloins towards the middle of the pan but not touching each other. DO NOT discard the marinade yet!Add the little potatoes to the marinade and roll them around about.Add potats to the sheet pan with the pork, arranging around the border but it’s no big deal if some end up in between the meat.Add salt & pepper to the tops of the potatoes.Bake 20-25 minutes, until pork is cooked to temp and potatoes are soft/crispy.Let the meat rest 5-10 minutes.Slice it into medallions, serve with the sauce!
>>21978284>No, that is not what they mean.I think it is. >Sausage doesn't need corn syrup and it's not good for anyone's glycemic index.A small amount of sugar in a high fat and protein food that digests slowly isn't really a major issue. Sugar itself may not even be as much of an issue as some people think. Why is it that hunter-gatherers eat tons of honey but stay healthy or plenty of athletes eat tons of starch and sugar and aren't diabetic?
I recently was craving some brats and went to pick some up. I don’t know why I did, but I happened to look at the ingredients on the Johnsonville Brats and saw they have fucking corn syrup in them. Corn fucking syrup in a brat.Off brand tooStore brand tooI will never be buying brats again unless it’s from a local butcher. I will never be buying anything from Johnsonville ever again because FUCK those faggot little queers for masquerading as decent food.Does Johnsonville have any subsidiaries I can avoid too?
>>21978291Why is the corn syrup in there at all, shill-kun?
>>21978292>1g of sugar per link>meat contains a small amount of sugar when it's fresh from glycogen anyway
>>21978295>you should eat this bullshit because it’s, like, totally not even a big dealYou can say that shit as much as you want but it won’t change the fact that nobody wants your slop, faggot. Lose profits and find out but you won’t be changing any minds with that kind of script, kek
>>21978292The corn lobby strikes again.
>>21978292>local butcher has a 50 gal vat of corn syrup in the back
>>21978296>top producer of sausages>nobody wants it
>>21978295>it’s not a big deal>it’s not a big deal>don’t worry about it>who cares?>it’s not even a big dealYour lack of self awareness is genuinely astounding, you shill fuck. Let me make this very clear for you>IT IS A BIG FUCKING DEAL TO ME WHEN YOUR FAGGOT COMPANY PUTS CORN FILLER IN MY FOOD LIKE A FUCKING ANIMAL AND THEN TELLS ME NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT
>>21978301Obviously corporate shills are worried enough to be posting defensive shit here. You think it’s a random coincidence that this is the most active thread the board has had in days?
This is the fastest moving thread in a minute. UPF shills finally have something to do
>>21978304>FILLEReating meat with sweetener goes back to at least the ancient romans who regularly ate meat with honey. i think the water added is more of a filler than the single gram of sugar.>>21978306controversial threads are usually more active
>>21978300I think my butcher would throw hands over this
>>21978309>controversialOuted yourself. The only faggots who find controversy in avoiding corn filler in their foods are corporate shills like yourselfYou’re making me want to say the n word, fuckface, but this is a blue board.
>>21978301Dude, the choices at my store are Johnsonville or store brand. This is the problem with allowing industrial food monopolies
>>21978287Thanks anon, looks tasty. I've taken to pork tenderloins too because of the speed with which they cook.
>>21978309>eating corn syrup in your sausage makes you just like the ancient RomansFUCKING KEK
>>21978315Here’s another one. Skip the sour cream if you want, but i can usually find a non UPF version.Loaded Potato SoupIngredients> 4-6 strips thick cut bacon> 1 stalk celery small diced> 1 carrot small dice> 1 onion diced> 1/2 head garlic chopped> 1 ½ pounds golden/yellow potatoes peeled and cut into ½-inch cubes> chicken stock - I still don't know, like two 32oz cartons*> 2 cups milk> salt/pepper to taste> Cheddar cheese, green onion, sour cream, jalapenos, parsley for toppings DirectionsIn your soup pot, cook the bacon until crispy. I usually do a whole pound of bacon, I like snacking on it while cooking and having plenty for topping. Reserve just enough bacon fat to cook down the veggies though! Add the celery and carrots, cook until softened Add onion, cook until starting to caramelize/brownAdd garlic, cook until fragrant or softAdd potats, stir well! Cover with chicken stock, like pour enough in until everything is under the stock.*Bring to a boil, then reduce to simmer.Simmer for 10-12 minutes, or until potats are fork tenderScoop out some potatoes, like ⅓ or ½ Use a stick blender to mix it all together, maybe need to add some milk if it's too thick. > If you don't have one of those or a blender.. maybe mash it? Or don't, and just swap the milk for heavy cream? Add the potato chunks back inSalt and pepper to taste> If you don't have fresh cracked pepper, add pepper with the chicken stock. The flavor is better that waySimmer until desired thicknessTop with whatever sounds good, I like what is listed above for toppings.*I'm convinced my liquids are off, but whenever I make it I don't measure. Just go based off the thickness and what I'm feeling. If my recipe doesn't include enough stock, my bad.
My only takeaway from this thread is that the corn lobby is killing America.
>>21978309Wait a minuteDo you really think corn syrup is like honey?
>>21978321You know what’s actually insane?I have NEVER heard a person defend corn syrup in real life. Everyone either thinks it’s disgusting or is indifferent. There’s no real life defense force for itBut on the internet, there’s always some “totally not a shill” faggot who crawls out of the woodwork to defend corn syrup by any means necessary.
>>21978313the thread is about more than corn filler>>21978316i didn't say that. honey is still better than corn syrup.
>>21978320I am from Australia. It's definitely not as bad here, but UPF are still incredibly difficult to avoid unless you switch to a completely single ingredient food diet.
>>21978323>>21978321Saying that corn syrup is chemically identical to honey is not a defense of corn syrup, it's a condemnation of honey.
>>21978321they're pretty similar. well, at least HFCS is similar to honey with them being a similar mixture of glucose and fructose. the rest of the stuff in honey is a pretty small part of it. regular corn syrup is mostly glucose.i don't think corn syrup is a health food and it's obviously processed and not something ideal to be eating. i limit my intake of it. but i don't think it's as bad as some people believe.
>>21978318> can usually find a non upf versionThisI think a lot of people get overwhelmed when trying to move away from stuff but it just takes a little extra consideration. There’s actually a lot of better foods out there that are just as convenient. This guy >>21978291 is weird for acting like it’s too hard and we should just keep on going as normal when it could all be made more simply.Corps over-competed and deserve to lose profits for shit food though.
>>21978330>i don't think it's as bad as some people believeI think it is, and I think honey shouldn't get a free pass about it either.
>>21978328Just go to your local market. I go to the Vic Market every weekend. It's not what it once was, but it still has pretty great selection for anything from meat to veg to cheese. If you live in a city, you defo have a market near you. If you live in a town, you probably also defo have a market near you.
>>21978316>introducing corn syrup into a scenario wherein Rome is still an empirekøk and/or kækplease visit - we will have fruitful conversations, us two
>>21978327Okay so here’s the deal, faggot. If somebody wants sugar on their sausage, they can put it there themselves. The reason it is filler is because the corn is unnecessarily added as a “sweetener” for a food that doesn’t need it. They don’t use honey for that reason; it is intended to be cheap slop.Further, the corn lobby is the primary driver of American processed foods and you goddamn know that.
>>21978329>>21978332Hunter-gatherers regularly eat lots of honey and they're pretty healthy. What they don't do is eat a lot of ultraprocessed food and become sedentary.
>>21978330> pretty similar
>>21978342Also, the corn syrup shills always neglect to mention that their syrup shit compounds and doesn’t take place in a vacuum. If people of old ate honey, it was intentionally added to things for flavor. Now we have>corn syrup in the brat>corn syrup in the bun>corn syrup in the ketchup>corn syrup in the relish And so on, whenever they can. And then each ingredient becomes “what’s the problem with an extra one gram of sugar from corn teehee?”
>>21978344>unlike sucrosesucrose is 50% fructosemy point was that honey and HFCS are both nearly equal parts glucose and fructose, so they're similar in that regard. sucrose is also half glucose and fructose so i'd have serious doubts about whatever it is you posted with credibility.
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>>21978346Got ‘em
>>21978346yeah i guess that's a fair point. i regularly eat honey and will have a soda with corn syrup once in a while but other than that i'm eating things without it so maybe i don't see it as negatively. it probably doesn't need to be in everything.
>>21978335I do so already. But like I said>>21978244>Between working out, uni, work, and relationships I don't have that much spare time, but I do spend a lot of it cooking, that's what I'm saying. For me flavour diversity is probably less of a struggle than the inflexibility of no good on-the-go options and having to replenish stocks so frequently when everything is perishable.>>21978166>It's pretty inconvenient to get perfect. Yesterday I wanted to put lemon juice on my meal but but my lemons had gone bad. I reached for my pre-bottled lemon juice but realised it still contained a preservative. And so on and so on for a bunch of ingredients I didn't think I'd have to worry about. And I have to prepare every meal ahead to bring with me while I'm out. I can't just eat fruit for lunch if I want to get enough protein when I forget to bring lunch to uni.My problems are more this sort of thing.
>>21978362Perfection is the enemy of progress and happiness, friend. Understand what you’re eating and minimize where you can, prioritize better products, and just don’t defend to the death shit food like some of the freaks in here.> has a preservativeyou weren’t going to use much were you though? If you’ve already bought it, use it. If you don’t want to, throw it away (or give it away) and get a dedicated bottle to hold some lemon juice. It’ll last longer that way in the fridge than lemons on the counter. 2 weeks without any sort of preservation method.
>>21978362Why not try to buy some cured or preserved meats from your local market? They aren't "ultra-processed" in the same way as supermarket hotdogs, and they'll last for a good long while before going properly bad. Also freezing is your best friend, you can freeze all kinds of shit so you have tons of flavour diversity always on hand.
>>21978376Good pointI’ll get 3lbs of ground beef at a time for hamburgers or meatballsCook it all, and freeze what i don’t eat. Throw a frozen burger in the microwave and wah-lah
>>21978255Yes, of course. Some stuff just has a lot of ingredients, like a mole sauce. But if I'm seeing a bunch of partially hydrogenated nonsense over and over, I know it's bullshit
>>21978257Thank you anon, I couldn't remember the name of that condition. I hope you have a based day. >>21978259Please listen to the anon I quoted. It's great to be thorough but don't drive yourself nuts or give yourself orthorexia. Remember, it's not about being perfect.
>>21978265>>21978270Look up the Sushi Bazooka. Helps to make rolls a lot easier.
>modified X>E(whatever)>colouring>raising agents>emulsifier>sodium or potassium x>dextroseAutomatic skip
>>21978388Hydrogenated oils are pretty bad. Hydrogenation is a process where hydrogen is used to change the chemical structure of an oil (vegetable, olive, etc), to make it stay solid at room temperature. It's got a lot of negative health effects. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/hydrogentated-oil#side-effects
>>21978347> 50% of that other things so why do you have a problemMaybe because doubling it to be the full source of sugar appears to be a problem for general health
>>21978402This is actually stricter than I am. I'm willing to consume certain natural colouring, some sodium/potassium x, and raising agents. If I don't recognise the terminology for a specific subcategory of these I research it for a case-by-case call. That's also very time-consuming, unfortunately.
>>21978403Yeah, I try to avoid whenever possible. Olive oil is best when it is not hydrogenated, obviously. That, butter, peanut oil, broths or various animal fats is what we use to cook things in my home. Sesame oil and avocado as well on occasion.
>>21978405What do you mean? HFCS, honey, and sucrose are all about 50/50 glucose and fructose. HFCS isn't 100% fructose.
>>21978427>it’s all the same high fructose corn syrup is normalThere is a difference, you micropenis shill
>>21978427Princeton university disagrees but what the fuck do they know? MORE CORN!!https://www.princeton.edu/news/2010/03/22/sweet-problem-princeton-researchers-find-high-fructose-corn-syrup-prompts
>>21978434>“Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn’t true, at least under the conditions of our tests,” said psychology professor Bart Hoebel, who specializes in the neuroscience of appetite, weight and sugar addiction. “When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they’re becoming obese -- every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don’t see this; they don’t all gain extra weight.
>can find tons of good quality tinned fish in simple brine or water with no preservatives >can’t find any equivalent for pork or beef. >they always contain nitrates/nitritesIt’s not fair
>>21978432That doesn't make a difference regarding how fructose affects you. It's the same amount of fructose. You're pointing out a difference that's mostly irrelevant.>>21978434>Some people have claimed that high-fructose corn syrup is no different than other sweeteners when it comes to weight gain and obesity, but our results make it clear that this just isn’t true, at least under the conditions of our tests>at least under the conditions of our testsIt may not be applicable to humans.If there is a difference then I wonder if it's just because not everyone breaks down sucrose equally as well so some of it will just pass through without being absorbed. HFCS would be more easily absorbed if you don't produce the enzyme to digest sucrose, but when that happens you also usually have digestive issues. At that point it almost functions more like an artificial sweetener for some people.Rats apparently produce sucrase though so this shouldn't make a difference. Using lab rats that may not digest things the same way could be a flaw in the study.>Rats are widely recognized in research as more efficient than humans at converting dietary fructose into liver fat
>>21978449>doesn’t matter>may not applyGet fucked you absolute micropenis retard. I trust Princeton University more than your faggot ass. It’s like you learned the tiny bit of O chem you seem to know at the shill factory with no other lessons. You are a dumb motherfucker. You are bad at your job. Even outside of the job you are doing right now, you are a bad person. I mean that VERY directly and personallyFuck youFuck your whore motherFuck your cuck fatherFuck your faggot brotherFuck your slut sisterEat 25 dicks you fucking FAGGOT>inb4 hurrrr chemically the same teehee
>>21978452i think you need to have some corn syrup and settle down
>>21978456I HATE THE ANTICHRISTI HATE THE ANTICHRIST
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>>21978459Look, fuck you, fuck the plane you flew in on, fuck them shoes, fuck those socks with the belt on it, fuck your gay-ass fairy faggot accent, fuck them cheap-ass cigars, fuck your yuck-mouth teeth, fuck your hairpiece, fuck your corn, fuck the corn lobby, fuck Prince William, fuck the King.
>>21978462Fucking based lmfao>>21978427It really seems like you have a more simplistic understanding of sugar and how sugar breaks down in the body than you’re willing to admit. Most studies about HFCS and UPF acknowledge they need more studies but, that the results are substantial enough to start warning against consumption now. Really makes ya think, huh?
>>21978434>>21978465>okay, okay literally ever imaginable study and field of science says it’s bad>but just remember that it’s not even a big deal guys and keep buying our fucking slop!
>>21978462I can't sit here and let y'all badmouth my corn syrup. Did any of y'all niggas hear the president when he said corn syrup was central to the global war on hunger? Or did y'all miss it 'cause he wasn't speakin' in baboon.
>>21978465I understand that sucrose needs to be split into glucose and fructose. But, it's still almost the same ratio of glucose and fructose as HFCS. The amount of time it takes to break down sucrose wouldn't be very long, not long enough to make much of a difference. Blaming HFCS while saying sucrose is fine just doesn't make a lot of sense because of that. And it doesn't explain why people have been documented regularly eating large amounts of honey without becoming diabetic or experiencing any of the other issues attributed to HFCS despite it being glucose and fructose too in almost the same ratio.There are also studies saying there isn't much of a difference between HFCS and sucrose regarding obesity or diabetes or anything else.
>>21978465>eating fructose and glucose together may harm your health more than eating them separatelyYou don't really find fructose or glucose isolated in nature. Pretty much anything with sugar has both together. The writer is just speculating on things.
>>21978491They're actually citing studies, if you notice those little blue things. Do you think hydrogen and oxygen are considered to act the same in the environment when they are together as h2o?
>>21978504The study doesn't say consuming fructose and glucose separately is better. It actually says there's no difference between consuming pure fructose compared to a mix of fructose and glucose.>Our findings suggest that a commonly-consumed dietary sugar – HFCS – may be as harmful as isocaloric amounts of pure fructose.It also says that glucose isn't benign like some people think.Do you think my ass and your ass are considered to act the same in the environment when they're together as ass2ass?
>>21978105>Anyone here been successful in completely cutting ultraprocessed foods from their diet?no. and I am not going to. I don't tons of "ultrprocessed" foods. also unless you are biting a chunck of a freshly dead cow, or eating a carrot right out of the ground ALL food is processed and "ultraprocessed" food is NOT bad for you unless that is all you eat, even then it still is not that bad for you.
>>21978485You're speculating on nonsensical aspects of this. Your opinion of how long it takes the body to do something is irrelevant to how the chemical compounds are broken down and distributed throughout the systems. > not much differenceWhere are your studies saying that? Because I'm finding the Grocery Manufacturers Associations opinion on the research that has been done, the FDA, and another opinion piece by a food industry sweetener consultant. Otherwise, the studies being published by cancer experts, universities, and public health experts from other countries are (again) acknowledging more research should be done but the correlation is there. Strange.Pages 75 & 76 of this: https://academicjournals.org/article/article1380113250_Parker%20et%20al.pdfbetter explain how the compounds and processes work. > The time isn't that differentThe time for something to pass through the upper gastrointestinal system to the lower is 2-14 hours
>>21978536>how the chemical compounds are broken down and distributed throughout the systems.HFCS and sucrose are both almost equal parts glucose and fructose so how can they be so different if the time it takes to split the sucrose doesn't matter when that's the only real difference?>The time for something to pass through the upper gastrointestinal system to the lower is 2-14 hoursNot for something water soluble like sucrose.
>>21978544Concession accepted
>>21978547>you see, fructose and glucose are entirely different from fructose and glucoseaccept deez
>>21978224this nigga eatin beans
>>21978462>>21978474Boondocks posting is always welcome
>>21978105you dont "have" a wife. women are not an object for you to obtain. a marriage is an equal partnership of two peers working together toward a common goal. your SO does not exist solely to make things "more manageable" for you.
>>21978600> two peers working together> your wife shouldn’t have to “make things more manageable”My brother in Christ. You’re assuming the worst intention but describing what he wants anyway.
>>21978600I know you’re baiting but please try harder next timeNormal activities get done faster with 4 hands rather than just 2. Or would that hurt your pretend feminist feelings?
>>21978105Eat slop once a week, eat extra anti-oxidants that day like garlic, green tea, Ginger, chia
>>21978105I made a post about this today,>>>/g/108615296You're completely right, it's very difficult
>>21978612Is that the love on the spectrum guy? He finally got an autistic British qtpi, I've been pulling for this dude the whole time
>>21978881BasedYes, that’s James
>>21978105>It's proving harder than I thought.You're probably not leaning hard enough on frozen foods. Frozen food still has a stigma attached thanks to TV dinners but flash freezing technology has been really good for a long time. I've been relying heavily on frozen vegetables since my job took over my life. What I've been doing lately is buying chicken breasts in 4 packs and cooking 1 for dinner in a mixture of butter & olive oil. After about 2 minutes on each side I add a chopped onion, 1 or 2 jalapenos and whatever frozen vegetables I have on hand. Spinach works well, collard greens work well, I'll be doing green beans today. Tomorrow will be turnip greens. I put a lid on the pan to heat up the frozen vegetables and finish up the chicken, then I rest the chicken while finishing up the vegetables.You should also be using a slow cooker, IMO there's not much better than throwing a bunch of stuff in a pot and waking up or coming home to a nice stew. I keep a bunch of bags of frozen pearl onions on hand just for stew.
>>21978528>unless you are biting a chunck of a freshly dead cow, or eating a carrot right out of the ground ALL food is processedEndlessly retarded point. There is a difference between processed and ultra processed. This is why the NOVA classifications exist.
