seed oils react with sugar to make even more toxic byproductsthis is why mass produced confectionery goods taste sickly sweet and disgusting and why every single recipe calling for kosher salt calls for oil instead of butter>What specifically happens to the sugar: Reactive carbonyl compounds formed during lipid peroxidation — the same aldehydes produced when PUFAs oxidize — react with sugars through glycoxidation pathways, generating advanced glycation end products (AGEs) and other reactive carbonyl compounds that cause carbonyl stress, forming adducts and cross-links that impair protein function. AGEs are one of the main contributing factors to aging and deathWhy seed oils are meaningfully worse than butter for baking:>4-HNE and 4-HHE formation is directly tied to linoleic acid (n-6) and linolenic acid (n-3) content. Oils with less than 0.5% linoleate and 1.0% linolenate don't produce these aldehydes at all.>Butter is mostly saturated and monounsaturated fat, so it clears that threshold easily. Seed oils like sunflower, soybean, and corn oil are 50–70% linoleic acid — so they don't.The baking context specifically:>Baking happens at 160–180°C, which is right in the range where this becomes a problem. Acrolein is also produced during specific stages of the Maillard reaction — the same browning reaction that happens in cookies and cakes — through dehydration and cleavage of Amadori products formed from sugars and amino acids.>So baking with seed oils creates a double-source problem: PUFA oxidation and the sugar-amino acid reactions both generate toxic aldehydes simultaneously.What those aldehydes actually do: These electrophilic aldehydes rapidly react with biological nucleophile residues, generating adducts with DNA, membrane channels, and proteins — disrupting cellular homeostasis, increasing oxidative stress, and activating pro-inflammatory pathways leading to cell death.
can't wait for the seed oil defense force to come in and go "TaKe YoUr MeDs"
Trolling used to be believable
>>21978920fucking kek that's why i entered the thread too.
>>21978911i have never seen a single recipe specifically call for seed oil. the only oils I've seen them make a point to specify are peanut oil, olive oil, or lard/butter if the recipe is better with it.
>AI copypastaI can have AI generate the exact opposite conclusion and paste it here too.
>>21978924the toxicity of seed oils is proven by basic chemistry>but muh studies funded by jewish megacorporations says they're way better than the fats we've been consuming for our entire history until ~100 years ago
>seed oils are badYes. Now explain how that affects you.
>>21978936nah, not the exact opposite conclusion. youd have to have it explain some other route of logic, like omega 3s being good therefore you should eat oxidized ass rancid ultra processed canola oil even though the processing turns omega 3s into highly toxic byproducts by that pass straight into the blood brain barrier giving you neurodegenerative disease lmao
>>21978948he eats seed oils
>>21978920I'm here. I'm not here to defend seed oils but to tell you there's nothing to fear from them and that you're relying on disinformation and manosphere grifter opinions. You think everything is some conspiracy and everyone opposing your nutjob beliefs is jewish. The truth is right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformationYou are fucking brainwashed dumbshits. Believe what you want but everyone's laughing at you. Now surmise that I've been paid to come here and change everyone's minds. Because it really makes a difference what some virgin weeb manchildren believe. Hhahaha, you fucking incel losers!
>>21978948>every food available to you in your country is toxic but how does that effect you?? like mind ur own biz
>>21978930i saw two recipes for garlic sauce specify to use vegetable oil in particular. that was a bit weird.
>>21978930>i have never seen a single recipe specifically call for seed oil.lots of cakes call for 'vegetable oil' (aka seed oil) in place of butter to make a lighter sponge. years back i made a lemon drizzle cake and while light and airy it tased like a dish sponge and was (i guess) hydrophobic enough to not absorb any of the lemon syrup or juice
>>21978952>manospherebuzzword spewing redd*t refugee>>21978930idk what dimension you're in but nearly every recipe id ever looked up for confectionery goods called for "vegetable oil". obviously the term seed oil is new and used by opponents of vegetable oil and its honestly kind of retarded how it was adopted so quickly when most people are so retarded they still think vegetable oil is healthy so they literally have no idea what seed oil even means or why its used
These "seed" oils seem to be in everything I eat and yet I've experienced no inflammation. That's the big killer here? Inflammation? I don't think so. All lies you believe for other reasons. Has nothing to do with the food itself or science. Just a rejection of certain things you think are part of the huge top secret coverup. Sad to see young men falling into these retarded thinking patterns.
>>21978967AGEs dont just cause inflammation, they slowly build up in the body pretty much permanently causing connective tissues to weaken and stiffen up and all kinds of shit. its a big if not the biggest reason why people get arthritis, become inflexible, and develop wrinkly skin as they ageAGEs are also produced within you when you have high blood sugar and high protein in your bloodstream, and those two things are basically the main driver of building muscle, so you want to do that, but minimize the AGEs that form as a result. so the more AGEs you get from your diet through other means, the more you are limited in how much strength you can build from exercise. it doesnt have to cause something overtly negative to be causing you harm retard
Not reading any of that shitSorry you don't understand that the dose is what makes something poisonOr happy for youWhatever's good dumbass nigga
>>21978976there is basically no circumstance where seed oils are healthier than animal fats unless you are some kind of aberration that cant tolerate the normal source of fat humans have been eating for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years
>>21978967>I've experienced no inflammation
>>21978978>there is basically no circumstance where seed oils are healthier than animal fatsOk?Bitch nigga I don't care.If you're OP you're a retard that doesn't understand that the dose makes the poisonI literally can't make it any clearer than that you mental midget
>>21978953>"noooo i can't stop stuffing the goyslop down my throat! the seed oils are in witerally everything (twinkies, little debbies, oreos, chips ahoy, etc, etc)"You know there's an actual argument for banning seed oils but I love when you fatass faggots self report like this.
Holy shit y'all did you know that if you force a monkey to breathe nothing but weed smoke for 10 minutes they suffocate!?!?Clearly this means if you inhale the tiniest bit of smoke you too will die!
>>21978986Horrible analogy to the point where I can't tell if this is some kind of bait or not. Yes, smoke is literally poison. Also second hand smoke is way worse for you than just smoking straight from the cigarette/weed paraphernalia.
>>21978986This is the most retarded attempt at a meaningful strawman I've seen in at least 48 hours.
>>21978982the only circumstance where vegetable oil is not unhealthy is when you have no other option than to starve yourself to an unhealthy degree. and really you rarely will truly end up in that circumstance, you're just not thinking ahead enough>>21978985im talking about commercially produced foods, and even amerimutt retards doing home cooking because they still think vegetable oil is oki barely ever eat seed oils anymore because it just either inhibits my ability to get stronger and feel better day by day or directly makes me feel worseit would just be nice to have the option to eat more food cooked by other people instead of trying to be almost entirely self sufficient for my entire diet
>>21978999>>21978992>>21978991Hey look a gaggle of retards!Did you know fluoride kills cells? It's true! Just ignore the concentrations necessary to make that happen, those don't matter! Things are just statically good or bad for you in any amounts! This is smart nutrition science!
>>21978991>Also second hand smoke is way worse for you than just smoking straight from the cigarette/weed paraphernalia.this is just not true. the only time this may apply is when you're using a filter, and plenty of smokers smoke unfiltered tobacco, and weed is unfiltered 99% of the time. also, the smoker is breathing the same second hand smoke that the nonsmoker is breathing - in addition to their firsthand smoke - so just being near a smoker and saying you're getting the worse of it is a retarded claim.
>>21979007Anon don't argue with him, he was just letting you know how incredibly stupid he was so you didn't have to.
>>21979005>fluoride is good for my teeth>therefore I should be forced to swallow it constantly>#proudly circumcised fluoridated vaccinated and hydrogenated
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>>21979010Yes, that is exactly the kind of post a total dipshit would make if they didn't understand the basic concept being conveyed. Very good!
>>21979012so you do not believe water should be fluoridated and yet you're using the purported harmlessness of fluoride for your argument?
>MAGApedos circling around to "actually smoke is healthy for you!" just to be retarded contrarians addicted to literal wrongthink (thoughts that are factually incorrect)Amerimutts are in a grim state.
>>21979013>I can't readNeat!
>>21979020>Anon is so old and out of touch that he doesn't realize sneed oil panic is 100% owned by maga and rfkIt's broscience. Catch up, idiot.
>>21979021>keeps dancing around acting like i havent figured out what each of his possible angles are when theres only two and they're both stupidlmao
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>>21979023thats no more true than saying anti immigration is 100% owned by maga and RFK and therefore immigration is goodthey just latched onto it to give themselves legitimacy and grift peopleperfect example, RFK sucking off steak and shake for using tallow, when in fact they fry their shit in seed oils at factories before freezing it then sending it to the restaurant to only have a finishing fry in the tallowdont tell me you fell for that, tried it, felt no different and decided seed oils are ok lmao
>>21979034You're practically tying yourself in knots at this point.
>>21979034ESL or bot?
>>21978911It makes the cake moist and you're going to die any way.
>>21979085>you're going to die anywayyeah you can just die sooner and be more miserable along the way. this is the dumbest kind of argument anyone ever made to justify unhealthy things. as if they dont have a consequence until one day when you spontaneously drop dead
>>21978911>this is why mass produced confectionery goods taste sickly sweetThey taste sickly sweet because they have a ton of sugar lol. When I made baked goods at home with butter I still had to reduce the sugar from most recipes.
>>21979085>bro who cares we're all going to die anyway>there's no point to life morty nothing matters lmao
>>21979100like i said they do add extra sugar, but no thats not the whole picture. ive made my own cookies and shit plenty and adding too much sugar to things made with dairy like butter/cream does not make it taste vile like seed oil cookies if you use butter/cream for things like this and whipped cream or icing you can actually use so little sugar and it tastes so many miles better than anything commercially produced. they HAVE to add extra sugar to counteract the bitterness of all those toxic byproducts. that has to be why. vegetable oil doesnt taste that bad on its own because they basically remove everything they can that gives it any taste
>all sesame bars, peanut brittle and most peanut butter is toxiclol
>>21978952Accusing people who believe things you don't want them to believe of getting their beliefs from external and especially mainstream sources is the fastest way to discredit anything you say. The reason people give you advice so freely is because they know you are too stupid to pose a legitimate threat.
>>21979126you can make a sesame bar with just honey and sesame seeds.
>>21978952I just wanted you to know that posting a wikipedia article is extremely funny, thank you. BUT! your prose is extremely low quality, try running it through a LLM.
>>21979126peanuts and sesame seeds arent seed oilthey contain more nutrients than say cake or most cookies too, peanuts have vitamin E, sesame seeds are full of minerals, sugar helps deliver vitamins to cellsand these things would be healthier without seed oils
>>21979133>sesame seeds Are seeds. And contain oil. Oil from seeds. Seed oil.>>21979135>peanuts and sesame seeds arent seed oilThey are seeds. And contain oil. Oil from seeds. Seed oil.
>>21979148Unprocessed sneed oil isn't toxic. There are concerns about the Omega 6 to 3 ratio, but that's another topic entirely and not what people are talking about when they say sneed oils are toxic.
>>21979126peanut butter is fine, the natural kind anywayif you can extract it in your average kitchen, it's fine. you can't make canola oil in a kitchen
>>21979118>vegetable oil doesnt taste that bad on its own because they basically remove everything they can that gives it any tastethey try to but i notice soybean oil especially tastes fishy sometimes. others like canola are more neutral but still slightly bad. peanut or coconut oil can taste okay.even without toxic byproducts, a cheap cookie made with vegetable oil, too much sugar, and fake vanilla isn't going to taste right.
>>21979148when oil is refined, not only do they not do it cold pressed and use heat, causing oxidation, but actually refining it speeds up oxidation due to the now close proximity of the polyunsaturated fat molecules. one molecule oxidizes creating things like aldehydes which are now in direct contact with other polyunsaturated fat molecules causing them to oxidize just from being in contact with the aldehydes and other toxic shit
>>21979158Coconut oil is a based fruit oil DESU. Not sneed.
>>21979160The point of refining is to improve shelf life, not shorten it, ya dingus.While everything you've said has a kernel of truth (except the idea that one oxidised molecule infects all the others, like some oily virus or New Jersey "Italian"), what's unsaid is just as important, notably that aldehydes from refining are extremely low. What increases them is repeated use and reuse of the oil for frying but a once and done? Perfectly safe. >>21979157I've refined coconut oil at home a few times.
>>21979190>The point of refining is to improve shelf life, not shorten it, ya dingus.no it isnt, its to refine it. to make something purer than the original product. in this case "vegetable" oil is refined to create a cooking oil, not to improve the shelf life of the "vegetable". the fuck?>While everything you've said has a kernel of truth (except the idea that one oxidised molecule infects all the othersgo talk to a fucking chemist lmao. actually no just go guzzle your seed oil slop idc anymore loltens of thousands of years of subsisting off animal fats but now you're convinced its ok to get most of your fat calories from highly processed jew garbage because you cant help stop eating commercially produced slop and being a cheap lazy nigger when you do cook
>>21979201Work on your reading comprehension. Nobody is saying that seed oil is refined to improve the shelf life of vegetables
>>21979201>you cant help stop eating commercially produced slopWhat an utter clusterfuck of an attempt at a sentence. No, trannymadam: I do not eat "commercially produced slop" in any significant quantities. The majority of my diet is produce and has been my entire life. What's not produce is mostly other whole foods including meat.I also don't consume big, bad, scawy seed oils in any large amounts, either, because, again, my diet is mostly produce and other whole foods. I mostly cook with olive oil, lard and butter because I'm from Italy and what seed oil I use in cooking is negligible. A teaspoon per person in a stir fry or when I or my wife deep fry something.Actually, we roasted potatoes last week with our Easter lamb. In the lamb's own tallow. Strongly recommend.>>21979215lolI mean… at first, I thought Anon simply omitted a word but the fact that vegetable was put in scarequotes strongly implies otherwise. Reading is clearly not this lady's strong suit. I hope she's pretty. No one will ever love her for her mind.
>>21979228>I also don't consume big, bad, scawy seed oils in any large amounts, either, because, again, my diet is mostly produce and other whole foods. I mostly cook with olive oil, lard and butter because I'm from Italy and what seed oil I use in cooking is negligible. A teaspoon per person in a stir fry or when I or my wife deep fry something.>Actually, we roasted potatoes last week with our Easter lamb. In the lamb's own tallow. Strongly recommend.so you actually have no real personal experience with it and are entirely just repeating shit you saw elsewhere >>21979215>seed oil is refined to improve the shelf life of seed oilcold pressed oil is a refined food which is refined for the purpose of creating cold pressed oilseed oils are ultra processed to "improve the shelf life" at the cost of actually making it immediately more toxic (and effectively already past its shelf life) because they removed all the things which would make it smell rancid while also making it go rancid with the same processingyou are all dumb niggers im out of here lmao
>>21979085Cake doesn't taste good, isn't healthy and is not worth the diseases with or without sneed oil. The "here for a good time, not a long time" mentality is retarded. If you eat like shit you're going to feel like shit. You're going to get diseases and you're going to pray for death every day. That being said, 100% of sneed oil seethers are retarded fatasses that physically can't stop their hands from shoveling more twinkies into their hole. Assuming someone had control over what food goes into their body, why would they be seething so hard over a bad food ingredient? The answer is that these sneed seethers don't have control over their eating habits and want to blame Jews for being retarded fatasses.
>>21979156None is "toxic". Millions of gallons per day are heated up to fry chicken and potatoes and various other items, none of which are poisonous or cause disease. This entire thread is retarded. Even if you drank the stuff you'd just be fat. And not from "inflammation" either. Fucking nutcases, all of you. lol
>>21979231It's not like you have personal experience with being poisoned with oil. You're just repeating shit that idiots like Joe Rogan and the newly fired CDC loon believe.>>21979277>diseased cakehaha, you're so dumb.
>>21978938people couldn't afford enough food to become fat 100 years ago
>>21978911>seed oils react with sugar to make even more toxic byproducts>every single recipe calling for kosher salt calls for oil instead of butterSo where's the non-iodized salt come into this?
>>21979286No, they have a point there. Reusing frying oil several times creates an enormous amount of aldehydes and aldehydes are both inherently toxic themselves (cytotoxic as well as carcinogenic [and I think also mutagenic?]) as well as precursors to even more toxic things like formaldehyde and acetaldehyde. They have absolutely been proven to cause cancers and premature aging (also DNA damage, iirc and they are indeed mutagenic). This isn't unique to seed oils, though. Lard, ghee, olive oil etc can also create aldehydes if reheated multiple times for frying. They do, however, require a few more reuses than seed oils do because they're not polyunsaturated like seed oils are. All the same: seed oils are demonstrably fine outside of the repeated reuse of frying oil.Oh, and about the DNA damage: if it works like I think it does, aldehydes can create literal lesions on DNA called DNA-protein cross-links. DPCs partially block transcription and replication which causes DNA to copy itself incorrectly. That's called a polymerase error. These incorrect copies can cause mutation and genomic damage/instability.
>>21978967How much does big seed oil pay you to post here?Just save bacon grease or grow your own oil crops. You wouldn't believe how much oil an IBC tote full of algae can make.
Ok schizo
>>21978911>posting grokslopmy brother, even if i agree with you, and even if youre right, im not reading it
>>21978965if you are not retarded then you will understand that 'vegetable oil' is often just a generic term for unsaturated neutral oils and you could use like a weak olive or avocado instead
>>21978911So which large scale class of professionals generally agree with OP? I need to know who I can contact who actually has relevant knowledge and trust. Can't I just contact my local doctor specialized in nutrients?Or are all professionals and educated people part of """THEM""" as usual?
>>21979064If i don't pilpul someone else will.
Seed oils are actually good. People used to think eggs caused heart attacks and that fat made you fat. Now eggs and fat are actually good. In 20 years people will be praising the benefits of sneed oils.
>>21979561Modern sanitation and a disdain for urine consumption are part of (((them))). The evangolem crowd is a missed welfare scam away from being Indian.
>>21979665it's free real state
>>21978911You shluldn't be having processed sugar or any oil in your diet at all, the only fat you shluld be intaking is animal fat of some kind, either theough meat or milk/eggs/butter, but even fat should be limited.
>>21978952extremely horrible post. content is merely tepid, but the presentation and tone fall somewhere between a DMX album and th hadith for sheer faggotry.
>>21978948I miss eating at restaurants
>this entire thread
>>21978911>AGEs are one of the main contributing factors to aging and deathyou know what the main contributor is over everything else?time.
>>21978952>The truth is right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformationif a wikipedia article has "misinformation" in the title then it's telling you that it's misinformation, not pointing out the misinformation, dumbass.
>>21978911>160–180°CLmfao get outta here you eurofaggot with your made up soyence
>>21979668I remember before seed oils became the mainstay everyone used vegetable oil but then they said that vegetable oil is actually terrible and causes cancer so everyone switched to canola oil lmaoIt's all fucking bullshit marketing and dipshit influencers on tiktok parroting one another like retards.
>>21979950Vegetable oil IS seed oil, anon. Well, 99+% of the time, anyways. Virtually all products generically labeled "vegatable oil" sold in the US are entirely or majority soybean oil. Canola is a seed oil often used in the mix of products labeled "vegatable oil" that aren't entirely soybean oil. Generally speaking, there's no good reason to use seed oil over fruit oil. I say "generally speaking" because some culinary nuts (which are fruit...) are actually not nuts, but seeds. You probably already know this. Culinary nut oils (which in reality usually aren't botanical nut oils but botanical seed oils) generally have to be taken on a case-by-case basis. Almond oil is typically processed through cold pressing like fruit oils, while peanut oil is typically processed like other seed oils.
>>21978938I can't understand how people fail to put it as simply as "if I crush X thing, do I instantly get an oily residue or substance?".Olives, sunflower seeds l, coconuts...those are naturally oily -hell EVOO is basically fruit juice that was separated from the meaty bits- the farther away you move from that logic it shouldn't come as a surprise that there's tons of processing involved and that it probably isn't as healthy.
>>21980170>>21980373It's not the processing that makes seed oils bad for you, it's their intrinsic nature as highly volatile polyunsaturated fatty acids that oxidize (aka go rancid) very quickly compared to saturated fat. You get it fresh from the source and it's probably fine to consume, but we all get it 2-3 years after it's been produced and sat in the back of trucks and on shelves exposed to light and air. Even olive oil is not immune to breaking down like this, it's one of the reasons quality olive oil brands will print the date they were harvested on the bottle. Old oxidized olive oil is not much better for you than common slop seed oils.
>>21980384The processing is the primary reason seed oils are "bad", but there are other issues as well.
