>Western health organizations say not to leave food out, like rice, for more than 2 hours at room temperatue or you could get food poisoning>Japanese students and adults eat bentos with rice that have been sitting out for 3-4+ hours and are fineAm I insane to think that western health organizations are just making shit up for nefarious/financial gain? It seems everything they say about food is a lie. Eastern countries do the opposite and end up with a longer lifespan and vastly lower obesity rates.
>>22008930You have to understand that the people running these organizations are idiots.The bureaucrats ask for a complied list of any food that MIGHT cause health problem is left outside and release it as some end all standard.In reality, there are little to no studies about the probability of health issues arising from eating food left outside with respect to time/environment.It's not nefarious it's just lack of interest and incompetence.
In my country, a recovering heroin addict with zero clinical experience makes health regulations.
>>22008947Are they incompetent or are they actually smart in that they are making decisions to push agendas? While I agree that most people in government organizations are retarded, I also think most do whatever is necessary to keep the funding coming. If that means they make up shit when needed, they will. It would explain why eggs have constantly been switched from healthy to unhealthy every few years.
>>22008930don't they cover bento boxes?
>>22008958It has more to do with a lot of food science and research being unreliable.
>>22008961Yes and so does anyone that uses a lunchbox. >>22008962So basically just ignore them and follow what the Asians do (for food anyway) as they live the longest and have the lowest rates of obesity.
>>22008930Those are just guidelines to ensure that even someone with a compromised immune system won't get food poisoning. You can leave food out a bit longer if you're healthy. It's also probably because there will be people who repeatedly refrigerate or heat something then leave it out for hours. A lot of people misunderstand how to safely store things a second time. Food is just so abundant that it's basically a strict better safe than sorry because of how severe food poisoning can be.
>>22008976There are SEA countries where they'll make rice in the morning and just leave it there until dinner to eat it. That's way longer than "a bit longer" than 2 hours.
>>22008930yes. there is no nuance to this issue at all and everybody but you is very stupid.
>>22008989Correct. No, there is no nuance when the health guidelines strictly state not to eat food if left at room temperature for 2+ hours. They made a definitive blanket statement.
>>22008972>they live the longest>laughs in andorran catalan
Food safety is for the browns who wipe their ass with their hand before serving/delivering your food. If you cook it doesn't apply.
>>22008999>andorran life expectancy>long>laughs in monégasque>>22008972The numbers are falsely reported in Japan and Hong Kong so unscrupulous family members can cash in on their dead Granny's pension. Serious problem. Look it up.
>>22008999>Life expectancy Andorra: 84.33>Life expectancy Japan: 85.27
>>22009016Female life expectancy massively pushes the number up. Look up male LE only.>>22009011>falsely reportedThat, too.
>>22008997they're more like guidelines than actual rules
>>22008930Don't worry I've seen worse and people are fine. I'm a separate entity in my company but the floor I work still invites me to food days. I've seen panda express and pizza sit out for 9 hours, placed in a fridge and set back out the next day for 6 hours before I chucked all of it. Their floor manager called me out and ask why I did what I did. I said call HR if you have an issue. She did and in the end was the one who got in trouble for unsafe food handling. All their gross staff who ate on it all sided with her. Needless to say they don't tell me about food days anymore.
>>22009023It's not a guideline when they say "Never leave perishable food out for more than 2 hours". That's called a definitive statement.
>>22008930>it's another euro thinks they have a sick own on burgers thread but just end up exposing their own lack of quality control and transparency threadpottery.every restaurant in the country follows the same rules and is held to the same quality standards. no matter where you go, you're all but guaranteed high quality fresh food. i dont want to pay chinks to give me rice that's been sitting at room temp for 3 hours, maybe you do? and when i get home and make my own slop, i can leave it out or do whatever i want with it. i fail to see how this is an issue at all.
>>22009045>oh no! the food I'm purchasing is... fresh???
>>22008930>WesternIt's Americans. Only Americans are hysterical about leaving food out.
>>22009050>assumptions>non-sequiturTry again. Dude, I'm an American.>>22009051Non-sequitur
>>22009050>every restaurant in the countryNah, there are plenty of restaurants that are vile with bad food safety habits, that are packed and you'd never know unless you worked in the kitchen.
>>22009061yes there are, but if they fuck up you have recourse because of the guidelines and you can sperg out and have them shut down and deported.>>22009060you must be one of those self-hating americans that assumes the rest of the world is better even though you've never left your couch.
>>22008930my brown rice is left out for a few days at a time in my rice cooker, never got sick even in summertime. my windows are always wide open
>>22009067>you must be one of those self-hating americansNope>assumes the rest of the world is better even though you've never left your couchSome countries are better in some ways. No country is best in all ways, that's simply not possible.
More than 20 years of food service and handling experience:Regulations in food handling are not for healthy regular people. They are for the 85 year old AIDs riddled cancer survivor alcoholic having a lupus flair this week. People who are on the verge of death exist in enough number to be everyone's problem. Also for the sue happy. I had a customer that would take her allergy riddled child with her to read labels in the bakery to find the ones that did not have "may contain nuts and trace" and she would have her kid eat it knowing everything is baked in the same oven and sue. Hopefully she got the kid removed eventually for child engagement.Sell by dates are made up by manufacturing and have little to do with the usual standards of shipping and food taste.Best by dates also are imaginary. Spices out of date: use more in recipe Meat out of date : if it looks good and smells ok it's okCanned out of date: same as aboveCheese a bit moldy: unless your allergic to mold cutting that chunk off is fine.Fresh fish is a notable exception to trusting your senses to tell you if it is good. Fish produce histamine, when going bad that you might not be able to sense this type of rot at cold temperature or once cooked. So clear eyed fresh fish is worth not taking chance with age.I'm hanging around for a couple hours so if you wanted to know about food warehouse, fast food, salad bar, or grocery store (produce, bakery, deli) inside stuff just ask.
>>22009100>Canned out of dateThere was a video about how canned food, if sealed correctly, will still be good many years after the expiration date. Just like the others you listed, it makes sense for companies to put bullshit dates on things because they want to sell more. They don't want you using bread that's out of date, but still not moldy or stale, they want you to throw it out and buy more.
>>22009100*Endangerment
>>22009109everything you say is only a problem for idiots. and idiot tax is good. we should make more money from stupider people.
All humans have their problems. All organisations composed of humans have their problems.
>>22009100Like everyone else here, you're right about a lot of what you said. However, the best by and and sell by dates aren't just pulled out of the air and made up like you'd like to think. There's some fudge factor, sure, but companies do more research than you're giving credit for. Your version has kind of become boomerlore at this point.
>>22008953You mad he’s cracking done on your benzos? Lmao. XX
>>22009147Yup.You most often hear about how companies use "use by date" to increase sales, but the truth is most households will simply not buy the product if they notice that they keep having to dump it before they finish it, because the use by date has passed.
>>22009156At the warehouse level it has already been purchased. The consumer does not motivate the original production company. If it's on the shelf for you to buy it has already been purchased by the store. If the store has to buy more to keep it in date that's ideal for the seller of product.
>>22008972Asian food is proper for asian genetics. It induces diabetes in westerners because it's mostly sugar (starch) and fats
>>22009699>pickled vegetables are sugar and fats>stir fried vegetables are sugar and fats>raw fish are sugar and fatsAre you retarded?
>>22009153>cracking done
>>22009692If the store notices that they have to throw out a lot of expired stock, they'll simply buy less of that product and more of a different product.
>>22009880That is often not as a result of observation by the store or warehouse but a profit margin change. As long as it's still profitable or desirable it is still purchased.In the environment of a popular item with shit parameters sometimes reduced price or coupon promotions completely recover the variables.
>>22009961At the end of the day you're still getting the same bang for your buck.In a competitive market, maximizing profits will always maximize economic well being in that particular sector.
>>22008958>Are they incompetent or are they actually smart in that they are making decisions to push agendasIncompetent. But also the public is retarded enough to beg for more shit like that.The EU's food standards are onerous and retarded with zero tangible benefit and yet the average person, even on places like this, take "this is banned in the EU" as evidence that the thing is bad and anyone that doesn't ban it is the retarded one. It's a self feeding cycle of pointless regulations and hypochondriacs praising their government for it and begging for more.
Rice when left out will form protective spikes and some grains who survived the freezing process will start moving around on your plate, as rice grains are plant worms in hibernation.
>>22009989nice corn syrup fed "opinion", kikeslave
>>22009011Are the false reports in the room with us right now?
>>22010032creepy
>>22008930Its called fear mongering, and that all ends when the boomers are gone.
>>22010049Not unless you've got a dead centenarian you buried in the back garden and continue to claim her pension. spur.us mcl.io
>>22010036If corn syrup is bad for you why isnt it banned in the EU?
>>22008930Asian genes grant them an increased resistance to bio-threats. How else do you think china has so many old people walking around doing taichi and retarded gymnastics shit when all they eat is gutter oil and plastic?And look at the Koreans, all their food is corpo goyslop. It's no wonder the Japanese live forever. Good genes + decent diet
>>22008930The problem is experts tell you things that are 100% true, but are probabilistic and people are MASSIVE RETARDS when it comes to probability. Even worse is men underestimate risk and women overestimate risk via biology wiring. So you have a bunch of retards polluting things with over and under corrections to an issue expert opinion. Here's what happens:1. Expert puts together science experiment, tests food in "worst case home environment" for the US, or one that covers 95% of people. This basically is hoarder tier filth, because we all know nasty as fuck people. You might even be one!2. Science experiment returns statistically significant black mold growth after 2 hours on rice. 3. Expert issues advice based on this experiment which was tailored to ensure ALL Americans following it won't get moldy rice, ensuring maximum safety of the general public. No ill intent needed. Everyone acting in good faith in the above. The problem is the people hearing this are retards. TWO HOURS TO MOLDY RICE! No way fag! And you are right! Two hours is for a hoarder house standard, and your house is spic and span! Mold growth for your place is actually 10 hours! So you see no growth and assume you were lied to. But you weren't, you just interpreted the data wrong. And part of this IS the gov't fault. They issues a blanket cover all warning based on worst case. Not a guidebook based on various conditions to provide USEFUL guidance for many common scenarios. Because they were cheap. >>22008958Eggs flip flop due to marketers and news constantly flipping out at some +0.1% cancer risk or some -0.1% cancer risk study some student put out as a paper. This leads incompetent news media to spew headlines like "EGGS NEW SUPERFOOD" or "EGGS THE NEW SILENT KILLER" and shite, and the actual context is buried on the back end if it is there at all. Gov't not even involved in this shit, outside maybe funding some of the medical research out there.
Where is the financial gain in following food safety guidelines??Fucking schizo.
>>22009100>Best by dates also are imaginary.Again, this is actually not because people are trying to be assholes, it's because the general public is made up of MORONS. Who can't store shit properly for the life of them. MRE's last based on a temperature gradient. Hot conditions degrade the meal much faster than cold temps. They last indefinitely when frozen, and are toast in 6 months in triple digit tropical heat. The military studied this because it was important information on stockpile management and troop feeding. The end result was heat stress stickers on the box! This is how canned goods work too, with the added problem of moisture causing rust. So your canned good will actually last decades dry and frozen! But store it hot and wet? It's toast in the same 6mo or less. Even worse in a car in the summer! But how do you communicate this to morons with sub-100 IQ? A singular best-buy date that assume shitty panty storage. Which is usually like 1-2 years for most canned goods. End result? Food waste. But they cannot prevent it - neither news folks or the general public are smart enough to mange their own food supply. So many can't even cook anymore! And that isn't even covering prepper hate amongst normies.
>>22008947No, it's covering your ass. There's absolutely nothing to be gained or lost by anyone by following rules to prevent those MIGHT situations. No one is being incompetent. It's just safer for everyone involved to minimize risk. How the fuck is anyone having an issue with the notion of being careful? There are good reasons for all of the regulations we have in place in the west. You can just blindly assume that places without these regulations are just as free of foodborne illness, but I don't believe it.
>>22008958>keep the funding comingHoly shit, so many of you are distrustful and suspicious that everything that's in place is some secret conspiracy to get money. No one benefits one way or the other. No one is pushing any agenda. Keeping the (often stupid) public from getting sick by fostering good sanitation and temperature guidelines is in the public's best interest.
>>22010817This guy gets it. Dumb it down so even the worst environment can stay safe. The rest of us use common sense.
>>22008930This is why you get stuff made fresh. Grocery store sushi is nasty because cold rice gets hard and has an incorrect texture. If you're going to have sushi or something with room temp rice, get it fresh when you sit down at a sushi bar. Some things are not meant to sell at gas stations to eat at 3 a.m. and we should all just accept that.
>>22010838After what happened with covid, EVERYONE should be distrustful and suspicious of everything any government and government organization does or says. If you aren't, you're the retard.
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