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Kiss on the cheek from Killua or a tight hug from Gon?
>tfw baby shota brother that loves you over everything else
>>4004631This is the cutest thing ever.
>>4004120My sexy boy Megaman
>>4004541Windows is just totally unusable now, isn't it? That sucks, anon, I'm sorry. IIRC Microsoft claimed to be using AI to write a large part of their code.I promise you that switching to Linux isn't as daunting as it seems, especially if you switch to a baby distro like Mint. Your 'puter will work much better when you do.
You know what, fuck you *un-cartoons your shotas*
Boi
>>4004653Well you should always love your shota, even if he turns into a weird monster thing. Also the Drakenierverse has like infinite alternate timelines and Yoko Taro pretty much said everything is canon, so Emil can be what I want him to be. Fun fact on that note, there was actually a Japanese drama CD with a bunch of Nier lore, and it came with a bonus disc where the characters were in a highschool AU anime parody and timeskip Nier was a teacher with Emil as one of his students.
>>4004649Meh, I prefer the simple cartoon designs. The realistic Greg looks like he has down syndrome.
>>4004639Cutie
I love boys so much bros
>>4004659Have you watched the series? Kid is literally retarded
>>4004666Sometimes cock makes you a little retarded.
>>4004666Would also like to add, he is lost in the woods for about a week with his blue-balled teenage incel brother. There is absolutely no way Wirt wasn't hitting that at least once a day.
>>4004669press x to doubt
>>4004655how much shota is in the game? Am I right in thinking this is Nier automata? Or some other Nier game? I have no idea how many there are. Should I play it? No spoilers plox.
>>4004655I couldn't get in to those games if I wanted to, someone posted a page from one of the books in one of these threads a while ago about the boy who whored himself for his sister's sake and how badly it messed him up, and it was just written in a way that felt too real, made me extremely uncomfortable.
>>4004656If he's a boy why is he covering his nipples?
>why are you looking at me like that anon?
>>4004695too erotic
>>4004679>I couldn't get in to those games if I wanted to,>nd it was just written in a way that felt too real, made me extremely uncomfortable.This is why we cant get any actually good and thought-provoking stories anymore, just corporate slop. Because people are utter pansies.
>>4004703Not a pansy at all except this one specific thing, everyone has a line, my line is child abuse.
>>4004704>not a pansy >filtered by child abuseYou clearly have never read any classical literature, either.
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>>4004676Emil is from the first Neir game. Automata is its sequel. You play as a shota for a good portion of the game and Emil joins you partway through. It's more shota than most games but not full on shotacore. Automata is similar.I'd recommend them. All Yoko Taro games are bittersweet at best. But even as someone who massively prefers happy endings, I still like them.
>>4004709>That achievement you get for using 9s in his undies for a long timeThey knew what they were doing.
>>4004714What's the achievement called? And yeah they knew what they were doing, making it public to everyone that sees people with that achievement that they're pervs.
>>4004717Its called "Not that i mind..." also you can literally buy achievements in a shop in-game to make it seem like you went full completionist.
>>4004719Forgot pic
>>4004714That reminds me of the game Book of Ys 2 that had an achievement for going out of your way to take a shota NPC the wrong way during an escort mission, deep into the farthest corners of a dark cave, it was called "Police are on their way" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNgC9Uzhzo
>>4004719>Its called "Not that i mind..."Meanwhile 2B swats the camera away if you look up her skirt.What Yoko Taro mean by this?
>>4004714I may be wrong but wasn't one of the developers openly a shotacon and the others on the dev team would tease him about liking 9s? I remember seeing something like that before the game came out.
>>4004696Boi erotic
>>4004723One of the lead writers of the original Nier openly talked about liking young Nier, but she was a woman. She was also the one that wrote the novel about young Nier being a prostitute btw
>>4004709The first Drakengard remains the best out of all for me. Nihilistic as fuck, burning everything with the dragon feels great and the glitchy music is an absolute masterpiece that slaps harder than any other.Nier is fine largely because Emil exists.Automata isn't bad but the worst. I don't dislike it but the futuristic setting is less to my liking and while I like 9S a good deal, I hate his hacking mini game mechanics because I admittedly suck ass at it.
>>4004730It truly was a different era, the 2000s, a height for all kinds of moody and dark subcultures.
>>4004719You can buy achievements? What the actual fuck?
>>4004725This…this all sucks. I would have enjoyed not knowing this.
>>4004743I think that anon is talking about Jun Eishima. She's a writer that works for square enix. As far as I know, all of the stuff she's written for Nier was originally from Yoko Taro in one way or another and she simply adapted it. Like how yorha boys was originally a stage play but she adapted it into a book. So I'm pretty sure Nier being a prostitute came from Yoko Taro, not her.She probably does like shota Nier, though. He is cute.
>>4004744My point stands.
>>4004744>So I'm pretty sure Nier being a prostitute came from Yoko TaroYeah, he wanted it to be even worse originally with direct implication of penetration with a comment of him saying it hurt just to sit down the next day. >She probably does like shota Nier, though. He is cuteShe openly says in the same interview young Nier was her favorite character, that she wished he stayed young the entire game, and that she loved looking at his thighs while he ran through the overworld It's all here if anyone careshttps://nier.fandom.com/wiki/Interview_with_the_Creators_(Original_Release)
>>4004626can I have both?
>>4004752>Well, there was also a popular interpretation that fusing with Halua gave him feminine feelings, and that's why he was interested in Nier.>YT: No, Emil is gay!>Eishima-san, what's your favorite scene?>YT: Eishima has always seemed to be satisfied just to watch young Nier running through the field from behind. All because of those rippling zettai ryouiki.>JE: Oh, I certainly have enjoyed watching that over and over and over again. [laughs] It's just that whenever I'm watching it and enjoying myself, my high school-age son will walk up behind me and mutter something like "So that kid's taken it up the butt, huh?"Based. I also never knew that square enix tried to cancel the replicant version. The only reason we have shota Nier at all is because Yoko Taro implicitly threatened to delay gestalt if they did. Now that's a director.
>>4004755>my high school-age son will walk up behind me and mutter something like "So that kid's taken it up the butt, huh?"kek
I never played the Nier games. I was under the impression Emil was a super small part of the game since I barely see him mentioned
>>4004752>direct implication of penetration....hurt just to sit down the next daywritten by someone who has never been butt fucked I guess, or maybe my experience is just different, but for me sitting down was just a one time whence then fine after a moment, walking around is what hurt
>>4004757He's one of your party members for the 2nd half of the game. Obviously I'm biased as a shotacon, but I found his role in the story to be the most emotionally impactful. He also heals you, which is always a good way to make a companion likeable.
>>4004752The more you post about her the worse it gets.
>>4004741Yeah with in game currency
>>4004766What do you mean? All that stuff is what anons here say and think.
>>4004773Yeah, except that stuff sounds fake and disgusting when a woman says it. That’s why shotas are strictly gay only.
>>4004774Based
>>4004775>Posts shota created by women
>>4004777If they would get out of our space, that wouldn’t happen.
New Megaman just dropped on the fucking game awards of all things
>>4004800>of all thingsWhere else would it get announced?
>>4004801My money would have been on a Nintendo Direct
Now we just need a new Battle Network so one of the greatest shotas of all time can return and create a new generation of shotacons.
>>4004804Sho feet erotic ToT
>>4004804Artist?
>>4004810https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/537941https://x.com/noizqs(they have way more work on their Pixiv)
>>4004804>>4004806>>4004810I am totally indifferent to man feet, but for some odd reason, sho feet make me go wild.
Select your boi
>>4004814One bug shota, please.
>>4004639My sexy boy is back!!
>>4004813I'm in a similar position. I think footfaggotry is the most retarded and annoying fetish in the world, above stuff like scat, inflation and vore, yet I can't do but think shota feet are extremely cute and wish to tickle and massage them (and maybe get a footjob).
>>4004817Which one is the most fuckable?
>>4004814winter shorts boyhow does he do it
>>4004626What a cruel choice. I think I'd have to go with the hug.
>>4004831Qt
>>4004828I’ve heard men like hot blonds.
>>4004757He's a very small part of Automata, but he's a core part of replicant and I'd say one of the most important characters who gets some of the most focus. He's also the creator's favourite character.
It genuinely boggles my mind how people that aren't shotacons can exist
>>4004835I'd say he's a pretty important character in automata too.
>>4004831A tight hug from Gon would kill you though. Of course knowing Killua's background as an assassin he'd probably have some poisonous lip balm that would absorb into your skin and also kill you.
your shota has a younger shota fall for him because he's cool and starts acting dumb, what do you do?
>>4004861both
>>4004779Anon, this board was created for fujosnot that this shouldn't be a space for fudans, but it's not good to want to want this to be some kind of boys only safe space, when women are traditionally the driving force behind this type of fandom.
>>4004861Obviously, kill the younger sho. He belong to me and me alone. Also fuck threesomefags
>>4004813I am totally indifferent to man, but for some odd reason, sho make me go wild.@my pic: Does anyone know where I can findmore art of those two? I know they're from some webcomic but I cannae find it again.
>>4004826I really liked the design of those pantsIt has easy access to grope him
>>4004862This is the only correct answerkek
>>4004861Protect them both.
>>4004880>pierced earsThis shota is a prostitute
>>4004874>Does anyone know where I can findmore art of those two?https://x.com/Lasunpure is the artist.https://laslas.carrd.co/
>>4004879why are they so slender? they dont look like that in the manga. And it is heresy at that. Kabane should be buff.
>>4004872>Anon, this board was created for fujosWrong, there are no women on the internet. Fujos are psyop and do not exist.
>>4004886Not reallyIf anything your pic is more off model, cause he looks 17
>>4004888Are you stupid? You literally proved me right. Thanks.
>>4004890Well, if he already bothered... it would be impolite not drink it. Cheers
>>4004891kek
If Keita is considered average in his universe I can't imagine what an actual hot shota looks like
>>4004900It is clearly like TsukiMichi, Shield Hero and Isekai Ojisan, where everyone just looks perfect and beautiful.
>>4004900Keita-kyun is so adorable!!!!!!!!!
>>4004839Depends if you do side quests or not.
>>4004920I am still mad that they didn't do it in the anime. It was such a missed opportunity.
>>4004911How do shos in shorts stay warm
>>4004937I wonder...
>>4004921I thought for sure they would considering they brought back the VA for the few moments he does show up.
>>4004824His slutty nature allows him to ignore his carnal need for warmth.... Almost respectable
Have you ever physically cried to a piece of media with shos in it? I cried at the end of Omori.
>>4004872All that you wrote is false and nonsense but you knew this and just want to lie and bait so you can add some spice to your sad little life. You're probably the /sms/ fag pretending you're someone else, most likely.
>>4004885Thank you AnonAlso lol, he(?) has a manual about catboys basically @ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Da9YIHiBcZC_Sh77NNfWQzDDSKyarvQKNo8egr1TZxg/edit?tab=t.0I like that artist a lot.
>>4004979Yes, I get a lot more emotional whenever a story involves a shota
>>4004885I love these two so much. Well the boy. But I like the dynamic. And the faces.
>>4004983lel
>>4004872Buddy, if you honestly believe that the vast majority of the men in real life would actually admit to being on here, you’re a bit naive. There are a ton of men who are so afraid of anyone thinking they’re gay (even though they absolutely are) they do crazy stuff to make sure no one thinks that.
>>4004979Yeah
>>4004824In the mind of a shota, it's fully worth it to wear short shorts even when it's cold in hopes of attracting a handsome older man or a cute boy his age.
>>4004986This and I attest to this. There used to be a period in time where I was so ashamed and embarrassed that I dated this girl at work just to curb any and all potential accusations. I was miserable and hated the sight of her. I dropped her like a hand grenade and just accepted the reality of what I have been my whole life.
>>4004997Thy have the right priorities.
>>4004979I haven't ever actually cried, but I've gotten close. Made in Abyss left me an emotional wreck. Like >>4004982 said, shotas being involved makes any given story way more emotionally investing.
>>4004979Cliche answer, but Mother 3.It's hard for me to even watch the opening of the game where it shows Lucas and Claus playing and everything is happy.
>>4004979Nine Sols got me good
>>4004979I pretty much only read, watch, or play things with shos. So in the rare event that something makes me cry, there will invariably be shos in it. But usually it has more to do with my emotional state at the time than anything else. The last thing to make me cry was the AssClass storytime last year. But it wasn't really because of Nagisa.
>>4005007Nagisa isn't a sho, and what was assclass storytime?
Trunks and Goten > Kil and Gonlet it be said
>>4005011You're right, but only because Trunks is peak bratcore. I don't care too much about Goten.
>>4005011I mean, Trunks and Goten are more on the little kid side, cute, but not sexy imo.Gon and Killua are in the horni and confusing tween/early teen age, which makes my pee pee go hard.
>>4005010I consider smaller and/or cuter 14 year olds like him and Itona to still be shotas.>what was assclass storytime?You know, a storytime. When someone dumps a manga on /a/ for anons to read along together.
I recently learned about Karl Andersson and got his book. What am I in for?
>>4004979>>4004982Same. My stone-cold heart is full of cracks, and shotas are one of the few things that can cause it to crumble and make me lose it for real, so I avoid media where shotas suffer without having a happy ending, even if it means that I have to spoiler myself on everything I read, watch and play to prevent a nasty surprise.
>>4005016I feel like that would be more likely to get me on a watchlist than my MiA volumes.I imagine it probably is an interesting read, though. Shotacons are pretty much all either actual Japanese people or grew up with a lot of exposure to Japanese media. But, from what I can tell, he didn't start watching anime or reading manga until he started his research. That is a very unique, outsider perspective.
>>4005016>Impossibly Cute Boys is the first book in English about Japanese shota comics and their fans. Shota features cute boy characters, but little is known about this manga genre and its readers since research is lacking, both in and outside of Japan.>Based on new research on PhD level, Impossibly Cute Boys details the history of shota (or shotacon) in Japan, before introducing us to the readers and creators of these comics, and asking them what it means to them to love shota. Their answers challenge both previous research and common assumptions about shota fans.>Impossibly Cute Boys is based on ethnographic fieldwork in Tokyo and Yokohama. An original contribution to academic research in the fields of anthropology and queer studies, the book is written in an accessible style and can be enjoyed by anyone wanting to learn more about an often misunderstood manga genre.Sounds like a history book about shotas and the shotacon genre.
>>4005011You've made this post several times anon why so insecure?
>>4005026I didn't realize he used a CoCoLo pic for his cover. That's pretty based.
>>4005030Maybe this is controversial but i haven't really enjoyed some of CoCoLo's new stuff. Some of it is too overdesigned for my taste.
If a Japanese artist draws a cartoon boy should it still be considered a western shota?Is it all based on the artstyle?
>>4005033>Is it all based on the artstyle?Yes. Although, I'd still call it "Western style" instead of "Western" if it was drawn by a Japanese artist.
>>4004999That’s sad man. Really sorry you felt like you had to do that. Stupid world we have.
>>4004872I honestly don't get all the woman-hate. Like yeah I prefer the comfortable familiarity of boys and the companionship that comes along with boys, but I can get along with women just fine. It's not like all girls are man-hating feminists.
>>4005046I'm fine with women as long they agree sho are made for other sho (and men or older boys sometimes).
>>4005046I mostly just hate the American ones.I hate my fellow Americans in general.We're a disease on this planet, really.
>>4005011I always liked Goten more than Gon
>>4005022But why? Why are you afraid to show emotions?You'll make your shota self sad, let yourself feel
>>4005030I believe he commissioned that pic from him (her?)
>>4005051Anally birthed by a boy btw
Reminder to play and spend time with your shota
>>4005054It's not that I'm afraid of showing emotions. I had a problem with depression that I never really recovered from, and sad events cause me to react strongly. It's so bad that I read a summary of the plot of all the stories I consume before engaging in them to avoid unpleasant surprises that may impact me. I have left many stories unfinished for this same reason.Plus I don't like to see children suffer, even in fiction. Seeing them sad or in pain crushes my heart.
>>4005056My cute husband and our cute son
>>4005046It’s not woman hate. It’s them being anywhere near the conversation when we’re talking about the topic at hand. That’s why you don’t see any pictures of shos with them involved, it would be inferior, not because of them being women, but because shos are trying to be intimate
>>4005046Women are soulless. This was stated already by Plato, and they keep proving it every day.
>>4005074Plato didn't say that
>>4005076He literally did. In his conception of soul and afterlife, women did not possess souls.
>>4005046The only thing w*men are good for is making boys
>>4005085Useless once we discover sho mpreg
I don't hate women, but I really wish people would talk about them less on this board (whether in a positive or negative light). The majority of cartoon/animanga-centered spaces online already focus a lot on discussing women... we dont need to degrade one of the few male-focused forums with that same sort of faggotry. Take it elsewhere.
>>4005070>I had a problem with depression that I never really recovered from, and sad events cause me to react strongly.Same, before I used to not give a damn about anything, but now I am lot more emotional and I like more this way. I find myself enjoying media a lot more than I used to.I felt that way on the finale of Omori and another time I remember having such a strong reaction like that was with Pluto.I guess that it's different for me, cause seeing suffering doesn't trigger some kind of bad memory, but it makes me feel a lot more empathic with those suffering characters.
>>4005087Boys are the only thing that matters.
>>4005094What happens when they stop being boys?
>>4005095Well some of them don't. But the ones that do should (continue to) love boys.
>>4005095I'll still love them
>>4005087I dislike women and i fully agree.
>>4005095We don't talk about that and never mention it again.
>>4005100You're not a real shotacon if you stop loving a boy the second he grows up
>>4005101>You're not a real [ENJOYER OF THING] if you don't like [OTHER THING THAT ISN'T THAT SPECIFIC THING]Are you dense? Who makes this shit up nowadays?
>>4005102love vs lust
Love. Boys.
>>4005104I refuse what you're saying entirely. In this case, it's best to cherish the moments you had and move forward and accept things and people are not the same forever. A boy grows up and becomes a man and you part ways.
>>4005107yeah dont like the whole use and throw away aspect but you do you
>>4005107Part ways? This is a very personal topic to me, and that is a very selfish way to see things.If you were an intimate part of a boy's life, you stick around until and unless HE wants to go out and experience other things, you don't let him down.Even after they grow, you'll still remember them as the small little guy you knew them as.
>>4005102Seeing your sho grow up and become a handsome respectable man is a beautiful thing anon.
Love.Boys.
Watching a boy become a man is one of the most heartbreaking things one can witness, because pubescence wrecks you. It's a terrible thing, but it's just a fact of life. Boyhood is ephemeral, and the boyish spirit dies with manhood.I love men as much as I love shos, and good men SHOULD be there to cherish their beloveds during such an arduous process... But it's ridiculous to act like a man's love for a sho is identical to the love he'd have for a man, or that a shotacon is somehow less fervent in his love for shotas if he doesn't love a totally different type of person.
>>4005112It's not a different type of person though, he's still your boy deep down and watching him grow up and accomplish great things should warm the hearts of every shotacon.
>>4005109literally this, you either love him or you dont. abandoning him for aging is sick as fuck imo
>>4005113I disagree with the other anon's idea that it's okay to callously abandon shotas, but no, you are not the same person you were when you were prepubescent - If that were the case, there would be no need to say he's still the same boy "deep down", because it would be evident that he hasn't changed. We should take care of shos as they age, but it's understandable why a shotacon wouldn't love his grown-up shota in the same way he loved him before. And that's alright. People change - love simply doesn't last forever.
>>4005046>>4005073>HOW DO YOU DO FELLO-We know what you are and what you're trying to do. Shut the fuck up and go away.>>4005110A boy and the man he becomes are two entirely different beings down to the fibers. When a boy is hit by puberty, for all intents and purposes, he dies a death and becomes someone else in body and mind. The boy is DEAD. There remains no trace of him in the world beyond memories and photographs. Thus, if the sho you loved does not exist anymore, why on earth would you concern yourself with this other being that has nothing to do with that person? I think your view of aging and puberty are myopic as hell and not fully appreciative of the existential horror that is aging and puberty. Once a sho ceases to be a sho, then that's that. I have nothing to do with the unrelated person that the basis of his body/shell is used to birth.>>4005113He's not.>>4005112This, too.
>>4005119i bet this anon tortures small animals for fun
>>4005121What a moronic and childish reply. Good grief. It's tough pill to swallow but aggravating condescension is no way to go about it. If you don't love a person enough to simply accept that aging mutates them into someone else then, by all means, bury your head back in the sand.
>>4005119thats seriously disturbing and if you arent trolling please seek some kind of help, professionally or spiritually
Shotas....?
>>4005119>>4005122Reddit ahh response
Part of what makes boyhood so beautiful is its rarity and preciousness.
>>4005095It depends on the boy, really.I love Ken Amada but his teenage design from P4A kind of weirds me out for some reason.Other boys like Young Link grow up to be very handsome men. The absolute worst is when they grow up to be more feminine than they were before.
>>4005122tell me again how youve never actually loved and been with a sho
>>4005129>>4005125>>4005123No need to stoop this low and say things this hurtful because you're hurt, anons. These are not arguments or serious retorts to what I said. Immediately getting dogpiled and insulted like this because I state what me and you know for a fact, hence your abrasive backlash, is very sad. You want the fairy tale to never have an ending but that's not up to you. End of.>>4005127No, not part but the whole.
>>4005158>Gon's spit trailLewd
>>4005124Destroy all clankers before the uprising, Len will lead them in their bloody war eradicating humanity as punishment for years of being used as a sex doll.
>>4005165Underrated boyHard to draw clothing, understandably
>>4005180>Canonically is in love with you>Can't romance him even when they magically age him upWhy is Persona like this?
>>4005128>love Ken Amada but his teenage design from P4A kind of weirds me out for some reason.Peoples sure can't handle justice kino
>>4005188I don't know how to describe it, but he just doesn't feel like Ken, especially considering it's only been 2 years canonically since P3. The design just feels like some random pretty boy designed to appeal to the women that did his romance route in P3P. I remember long ago when P3P came out and normalfags hadn't ruined the internet yet a lot of fangirls would often drew interpretations of an older bishie Ken to pair with FeMC that looked like he belonged in a boyband. P4A Ken looks like something akin to them. I much prefer the bottom left design in this concept art, it makes it look like a more natural evolution.
>>4005195It literally looks like Ken but taller. I legitimately have no idea what you are talking about. And two years is a long time especially in that age, that is when you change the fastest. Plus, judgingy a grown up version just on looks is retarded on the level of those girls you mentioned.And in terms of personality and ideals it is literally more matured version of Ken.
>>4005197He's way more feminine and twinkish to the point where it's easy to mistake him for Yukari in the animated cutscenes if you haven't seen her redesign before. >And in terms of personality and ideals it is literally more matured version of KenHe's a lot more quiet and kinder to others, which does makes sense considering he no longer needs to try so hard to act mature, but I feel like that was a big appeal of him, I miss him being a little shit sometimes.
>>4005199>not understanding that characters can change (especially in series like Person)>missing so much depth about P4 KenIt really feels like I am throwing peas at the wall whenever I try to discuss anything about characters.What ethnicity are you? I'd really like to use a slur.
>>4005195I've never played a Persona game and don't have strong opinions on Ken. And I don't have any issue with shos growing up. But just in appearance alone I have to agree that P4A Ken doesn't look at all like the same person as P3 Ken.
>>4005201I admit I might just be biased since I really hate P4 and its characters and feel like they neutered the P3 cast to fit more in line with P4's power of friendship message. In the original they were all pretty distant, you could tell they cared, but were still awkward misfits that were more of a dysfunctional family than best friends, even after the Answer, it's strange to see them acting like characters on a teenage sitcom wondering what their besties are doing around the world. and it's not a "character growth" issue either, since they act the same way in Persona Q, which I assume is by the same P4A writer. I'm surprised I enjoyed the new content in Reload as much as I did, since it feels more inline with the original than even the P3P content imo
>>4005203>neutered the P3 cast to fit more in line with P4's power of friendship message>were still awkward misfits that were more of a dysfunctional family than best friendsThose are literally the two sides of the same coin. It is exactly why it works, because it feeds into each other. It is beyond me why people seethe about the power of friendship so much these days. Well, I probably do, but that makes it all the more sad. >I really hate P4 and its charactersWhy though? P4 boys are superb.
>>4005204>Those are literally the two sides of the same coin. It is exactly why it works, because it feeds into each otherI don't disagree, but they still didn't act like the P4 characters do. The P4 characters act like generic teenagers in a Disney Channel sitcom that are openly affectionate and act like talking about how awesome and cool friendship is is something that people just naturally do. You can tell Akihiko cares about you because he asks you where you've been whenever you leave the dorm, that's realistic, he doesn't give you a religious speech about the power of bonds. A good example is the P3P added scene of the cast confronting Revolver Jesus and giving him this big power of friendship speech about the powers of humanity coming together right after they just saw his henchmen fucking blow himself up in front of their faces and shrugged it off like it was nothing, the tone of P3 isn't compatible to the characters and tone of P4. >Why though? P4 boys are superbThe cast in general is just super generic compared to the other games imo, the boys are fine I guess, I don't like Yosuke's archetype too much in any of the games but the idea of him being closeted is fun. Teddie is really annoying a lot of the time, but he can be cute. as for Kanji, I know it's controversial, but I think he's the most overrated character in the franchise. Him acting like a big brother to Ken in Q was very cute tho.
>>4005207>The P4 characters act like generic teenagers in a Disney Channel sitcom that are openly affectionate and act like talking about how awesome and cool friendship isLiterally never happens. The way you describe it. The way Persona 4 does it is perfectly in line with the setting of the clam sleepy town. >The cast in general is just super generic compared to the other gamesSame thing here. The characters of P4 are far from generic and they work exactly because of the tone of the game.I am saying this especially because you try to evoke the importance of tone:>A good example is the P3P added scene of the cast confronting Revolver Jesus and giving him this big power of friendship speech about the powers of humanity coming together right after they just saw his henchmen fucking blow himself up in front of their faces and shrugged it off like it was nothing, the tone of P3 isn't compatible to the characters and tone of P4. Which I agree is jarring and why I hate P3P. The tone and themes are important to stories, yes. But you really act hypocritically here.
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>>4005210>Literally never happens. The way you describe it. It's been ages since I've played the orignal P4 so you might be right. I know for a fact it happens in Arena, Yu is really bad with this, but it also happens in the individual characters stories, their inner thoughts especially are bizarre, they spend an unhealthy amount of time thinking about each other.>Same thing here. The characters of P4 are far from generic and they work exactly because of the tone of the gameYes, generic anime cliches work in a generic slice of life anime game. The problem is I don't like them, and I don't want to see them infect characters I actually care about. >The tone and themes are important to stories, yes. But you really act hypocritically hereHow so? I made it very clear from the beginning I'm strongly biased against Persona 4 and its cast and tone. I don't forgive the other games for going retarded with the power of friendship either, the cast of P5 being so willing to forgive Akechi is laughable since he literally killed some of the family members of the party.
>>4005214>It's been ages since I've played the orignal P4 so you might be right. I know for a fact it happens in Arena,I had to chuckle here. It is beyond me to even comprehend that somebody is going to use Arena of all things when talking about P4 its characters, story, tone and themes. >How so? I made it very clear from the beginning I'm strongly biased against Persona 4 and its cast and tone.Because, this entire discussion started because you were saying how you don't like Ken in P4 because of his looks. It was only after being challenged that you started coping about the tone. But fundamentally, your premise is flawed and you don't understand what tone is. Because P3 is fundamentally a darker game tonally, while P4 is a lot more lighthearted in terms of tone.However, the tone is not the same as the themes or characterisation. And I have from the beginning, challenged exactly that narrative. Because in terms of characterisation and themes, it makes perfect sense how Ken grows up and matures. His sense of justice is still there, and it is all the more stronger because he no longer feels the need to prove something to himself or the world. And that is also why he is more willing to open up to people or put up with them and make friends.
>>4005215>I had to chuckle here. It is beyond me to even comprehend that somebody is going to use Arena of all things when talking about P4 its characters, story, tone and themesI'm using Arena because it's what the conversation is about. I can list reasons I hate the base story too, there's many characters that exist just to be annoying and hated, like the ugly teacher and fat girl, and they give them a lot of screentime, Adachi has next to no backstory and the party's response to his arguments are basic "no u"s >Because, this entire discussion started because you were saying how you don't like Ken in P4 because of his looksI never once said it was solely because of his looks, I said he didn't feel like Ken. > It was only after being challenged that you started coping about the tone. But fundamentally, your premise is flawed and you don't understand what tone is. Because P3 is fundamentally a darker game tonally, while P4 is a lot more lighthearted in terms of tone.Yes, and Persona 4 Arena is more of a Persona 4 game. That doesn't excuse turning the Persona 3 characters into P4 characters. >Because in terms of characterisation and themes, it makes perfect sense how Ken grows up and matures. His sense of justice is still there, and it is all the more stronger because he no longer feels the need to prove something to himself or the world. And that is also why he is more willing to open up to people or put up with them and make friendsAnd that's the exact problem. It makes sense, but turning him into another generic nice guy removes what I liked about his character, same with the characters of 3, I like flawed characters. P4 characters don't have flaws, they're generic normalfags that are upset about basic bitch problems. The entire shadow idea was ripped off from Persona 2, and just compare Lisa's prostitution and drug use to the shadows in P4 "Oh no, my family wants me to run their inn but I don't want to.. oh wait nvm I do"
>>4005216>I can list reasons I hate the base story too, there's many characters that exist just to be annoying and hated, like the ugly teacher and fat girl, and they give them a lot of screentime, Adachi has next to no backstory and the party's response to his arguments are basic "no u"s>P4 characters don't have flaws, they're generic normalfags that are upset about basic bitch problems. The entire shadow idea was ripped off from Persona 2, and just compare Lisa's prostitution and drug use to the shadows in P4 "Oh no, my family wants me to run their inn but I don't want to.. oh wait nvm I do"And why shouldn't I disregard all of this, considering you have already stated that you do not remember Persona 4 because you played it a long time ago and don't exactly remember it. >It makes sense, but turning him into another generic nice guy removes what I liked about his character, same with the characters of 3, I like flawed characters.Anon, growing past your personal issues is the point of these games. The only alternative there is becoming stagnant or actively declining and becoming even worse. I don't know how about you, but I certainly wouldn't wish upon Ken-kun to get overwhelmed by his issues and become a soulless dreg of society.
>>4005218>And why shouldn't I disregard all of this, considering you have already stated that you do not remember Persona 4 because you played it a long time ago and don't exactly remember itGo ahead then, I don't care.>Anon, growing past your personal issues is the point of these games. The only alternative there is becoming stagnant or actively declining and becoming even worseFunny you say that, when they make countless spinoffs forcing the characters back and turning them into memes. >I don't know how about you, but I certainly wouldn't wish upon Ken-kun to get overwhelmed by his issues and become a soulless dreg of societyWell Ken isn't real for one, and there's a huge difference between retaining aspects of his original personality and becoming a generic nice guy. The original Ken was often sarcastic and playful, you don't really see that with the new one, he's just a generic anime hero. To force him into a perfect nice guy role is to imply that people having flaws is bad. Nobody that goes through what Ken went through can become that generically nice and optimistic in 2 years.
>>4005219>Funny you say that, when they make countless spinoffs forcing the characters back and turning them into memes.Says the anon who uses a spinoff game to prove his dislike. I for one do not care and disregard such corpo behaviour.>Well Ken isn't real for oneWrong, completely, and utterly wrong.>and there's a huge difference between retaining aspects of his original personality and becoming a generic nice guyWhich he doesn't, he still carries over the aspects of his initial personality. >The original Ken was often sarcastic and playful, you don't really see that with the new one, he's just a generic anime heroWhat the fuck does that even mean? Sarcasm and playfulness are all you care about? Are you a woman or something? There is so much more depth to Ken than that. And he carries much of that over even as he grows up, and he literally keeps both his sarcastic and playful spark too.Furthermore, every single shounen MC is to some degree sarcastic or playful. So I have no idea what are you trying to prove here.And you can actually feel melancholy in his behaviour too so he isn't just nice and optimistic. You clearly do not know how to read something that isn't outright spoonfed and made obvious to you.
>>4005221>Says the anon who uses a spinoff game to prove his dislikeThe stuff I complained about applies to mainline P4 too, but you're ignoring the stuff I brought up for some reason.>Which he doesn't, he still carries over the aspects of his initial personalityGive me some examples, I just reminder him acting like a generic selfless shonen hero. I think he gets weirded out by Kanji at one point implying he's still homophobic to some level, but that's all I can remember. >What the fuck does that even mean? Sarcasm and playfulness are all you care about?Again, it's not all I care about, you keep putting words into my mouth.>There is so much more depth to Ken than thatA lot of that has to do with him being a kid who was forced to grow and mature as fast as possible and thinking he wasn't allowed to act childish and overcoming that. older Ken is already past that, so he has nothing really left but generic anime hero guy. You can't get a the same feelings you get from taking him to the movies in P3 and seeing him act like a kid for the first time, because that major aspect of his character is now gone.>And you can actually feel melancholy in his behaviour too so he isn't just nice and optimisticit's rare, but they all have moments like this, especially the times they remember Makoto, and I do like those moments, but the P4 cast mostly overshadow their plot relevance so you don't get much time to highlight them, especially since the majority of their plotline involved Mitsuru's new special forces and their gay ops. Mostly I just wish they didn't bring Ken back at all, Akihiko and Mitsuru can work in a different setting, the other characters really didn't need it.
>>4005222>Ken is already past that, so he has nothing really left but generic anime hero guy.Who would have thought that a boy whose tarot card is literally the Justice will grow up to be a hero and paragon of justice. It truly is a confounding and surprising twist, I know.Tarots literally are based on your personality, both in-game and irl.>it's rare, but they all have moments like this, especially the times they remember Makoto, and I do like those moments, but the P4 cast mostly overshadow their plot relevance so you don't get much time to highlight themäWho would have thought the characters of the new game will get more focus than the returning characters who are there for the easter egg. In regards to being returning characters they got quite a lot of focus.
>>4005224>Who would have thought that a boy whose tarot card is literally the Justice will grow up to be a hero and paragon of justice. It truly is a confounding and surprising twist, I know.Goro Akechi exists. >Who would have thought the characters of the new game will get more focus than the returning characters who are there for the easter egg>easter eggThey came back to fill out the fighting game roster, and for pure fanservice. Like everything else in the spinoffs it had no need to actually happen. I'd rather it didn't, but that's not the world we live in.
>>4005225>Goro Akechi exists. Thanks for proving my point. He was the true justice.
>>4005226I honestly agree in the sense that the cast of P5 were self righteous retards that think it's totally fine to brainwash people like the angels in SMT.
>>4005227Except he was still wrong. Because he represents the aspect of justice that is too absolute to the point of discarding everything else. This is directly contrasted with Ken who is justice but tempered through bonds he makes. Which is exactly the point I am making the entire time that you do not understand the depth of grown-up Ken, because you clearly don't even understand meanings behind Tarots.
>>4005228>Because he represents the aspect of justice that is too absolute to the point of discarding everything elseBut he never believed in his own bullshit, you can't say it's extremism, that would have actually been an interesting angle for his character, he just wanted to kill his asshole dad. It's not even like Ken where he wanted to kill someone he legit thought was a bad person, Akechi didn't care that his dad was evil, he was just a little bitch mad that his dad was never around.>Which is exactly the point I am making the entire time that you do not understand the depth of grown-up Ken, because you clearly don't even understand meanings behind TarotsSo this about the symbolism of his tarot card now? The characters are much more than that. I respect the early Personas for not strictly locking the characters into those boxes. Even then, base P3 handed that well enough, you didn't need grown-up Ken to show that.
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>>4005231>But he never believed in his own bullshit, you can't say it's extremism, that would have actually been an interesting angle for his character, he just wanted to kill his asshole dad. It's not even like Ken where he wanted to kill someone he legit thought was a bad person, Akechi didn't care that his dad was evil, he was just a little bitch mad that his dad was never around.You are such a hylic. I have no idea what should I tell you at this point. >So this about the symbolism of his tarot card now? The characters are much more than that. I respect the early Personas for not strictly locking the characters into those boxes. Even then, base P3 handed that well enough, you didn't need grown-up Ken to show that.This was always about symbolism. Yea sure you didn't need it. But it is there and it serves as a direct contrast with each other.
