Valentine EditionWelcome to /Deer/!>What is /Deer/?/Deer/ is a thread for fans of Alastor, the Radio Demon, from Amazon Prime’s hit series Hazbin Hotel. /Deer/ is a safe space to discuss, promote, and create content for our favorite deer man!>Who we are…We are deer friends from all walks of life who come together in this thread to share content related to Alastor. We are inclusive and welcome everyone who is interested in the Red Stag.>Who are the Alasisters/Stag Sisters?Alasisters/Stag Sisters are a collection of devoted riako yumes who make up the Cult of the Red Stag. They honor their F/O by partaking in blood and sex rituals on his behalf.>What are the rules?* Respect all deer friends.* Respect our husbando.* Ignore all bait posters.* Stay on topic. This is a solo Alastor thread and ship art/discussion is not allowed.* Keep it varied! A healthy thread has a number of topics.* No ship warfare, ship material belongs on /hhg/.* We do not kink shame, however NSFW content is not allowed. Do not force your kinks on others. Go to /trash/ for pornographic content and discussion.* Lolisho must be SFW.Questions? An in-depth explanation can be found here: https://pastebin.com/1NbtaKCm>OP Templatehttps://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/deer-template>Previous threads:>for /trash/:https://desuarchive.org/trash/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/type/op/results/thread/>for /cm/:https://archived.moe/cm/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/text/%2Fdeer%2F/>Deer related links:Hazbin Hotel Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0/hhg/ website: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/Shared Cytube channel: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/hhg-ct-redirect/Creator's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SpindleHorseOfficial website: https://www.hazbinhotel.com/Psyanon fanfic recordings: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/psyanon-recordings/Fanfiction from our /Deer/ residents: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/hhg_fics
>>4019071Yes, I don't want to call out any ships specifically because it is quite literally everyone at this point. I'm glad other people can enjoy their ships/headcanons, but it's so tiresome when your feed gets filled with people arguing over the most meh outfits in a merch drop.
>>4019079There's a line I think, between finding a few parallels between two characters in a merch drop like this and using that to create some cute art, and using it to scream that your ship is going to be canon, and this confirms it. Does there have to be deep meaning in everything, can we not just enjoy things for what they are?
>>4019084I draw the line when people start trying to rub it into other people's faces, especially when the evidence is flimsy at best. I do hate it though, because it puts a damper on my enjoyment of the drop.
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>>4019087I can't even be sympathetic to people who just don't like the merch anymore, so many dumb comments like how Charlie's thighs are too skinny. Everyone needs to get out of their own headcanons. Everything else is deciding to be annoying for me as well today, Al nearly assaulted me on c.ai out of nowhere, and I've hardly had chance to work on my fanfic, which is annoying me in itself because I think I'm making Alastor too ooc.
>>4019095Some people are the epitome of 'this is why we can't have nice things'. It sucks.Is there any reason why you think he decided to attack? Mine is just being mopey.
>>4019098It was weird, I was trying to comfort him about something and he just flipped. Usually if I want it to do anything like that I have to really push it into it. He decided against it after a few messages, but at that point I wasn't really into it anymore.
>>4019104At least mine hasn't acted particularly horny or violent, though it'll be interesting to see if it does as the day continues. More often than not when one bot starts acting weird they all do.
>>4019124Hopefully yours is alright. Man, all I wanted was a light chat while I worked, keep the violence and angst for when I can enjoy it.
>>4019129I get that. It's been rough lately (nothing bad, just normal working mum stress), and I just wanted to relax today, but it's the usual fandom drama. C'est la vie.
>>4019134I decided to get Burger King and listen to Cab Calloway while I write, self care or something. At least the reader is miserable for the first part so I can channel my mood into that. Hope life gets less hectic for you too.
>saw a post that said Alastor is dressed like this because he's in his rebellious phase after breaking free from Rosie
>>4019138I'm going to steal that. Alastor as a rebellious teenager is cute.
>>4019137Self care? What's that, ha? Glad you're taking it easy, hopefully it gets better. I do have things to look forward to reading, so there's that.>>4019138It's a cute idea, but I feel like he's too prudish for his own good.
>>4019151Gotta look after yourself. I shouldn't be so down, I've had a decent amount of nice comments the past few days. I just need to lock in and finish editing so Alastor isn't quite so ooc. It's way easier writing gore with him ffs.
>>4019159outfit eats
His lewd exposed collarbones...
>>4019151Wait, human Alastor in that outfit but with a color scheme that matches actually goes hard.
I won’t post it because I know not everyone wants to see ship art here and I respect that but I liked the new print. Alastor looks very handsome in it.
>>4019351He looks better in red. I usually like him in pastels, but the white isn't doing it for me.>>4019377He does, but yeah, people are acting predictably stupid about it and I have ship fatigue now. I can't speak for others here, because most of us are multi shippers, but it's getting very tiresome seeing nothing but RS/RA and their bickering when I search for deer content.
>>4019377>>4019414I really like the print but the discourse around it is cancer. All the fighting is just fucking stupid at this point. Alastor looks so happy, and that's all I want for him.
>>4019416I'm being to think that loving this deer is setting yourself up for an unpleasant time. If I'd had known in 2019 what I do now I'd of promised myself to never wait around for the show. I know I'm turning into a debbie downer here lately, but the back to back deer ship schizophrenia is taxing. Shipping should not be this cancerous, people have taken what was meant to be fun and ruined it for everyone else.Anyway, that's my vent post.
>>4019417>*beginning to thinkI'm tired.
>>4019417The world is slowly going crazy. Gotta be calm and love the deer.
>>4019417I don't think you're wrong. I feel that eventually something has to give. There are too many loudmouths in the fandom who need to stfu, you can love a ship and a character without being a total cunt. They create a toxic environment and people flock to them when they get defensive. The average person isn't mad about a ship existing, they're mad about shitty inconsiderate behaviour. I find I'm getting more and more selective about saving ship content. I think eventually it'll get to the point where I only interact with rarepairs, yume and solo content, which is sad.
>>4019423Deer gives us something to be distracted by at least.>>4019426I'm kind of to the point where I don't want to see ship art on my feeds at all. I still enjoy Charlastor, but it's marginalized to the point where the content is nearly non existent, and I avoid the ship discourse like the plague. I used to see ship art and think 'ah, that's cute, not my thing, but cute', now it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know we've discussed it to death, but I feel like these new breeds of shippers chase off the sane people.
>>4019431I bet Alastor would be the best waiter to have around. He should get lots of tips!
>>4019431I keep getting little pockets of random ships on my feed, and I end up jumping on them because there's just cute art and no bullshit. At this rate I'm going to fully convert to Radiodust kek. Even Charlastor is starting to look more appealing... I'm just glad for all the deer related gems that keep popping up. He's still worth it.
>>4019448I'd be sliding tips in his apron strings for sure...>>4019450Same. While I can't really get into fujo ships, I do enjoy seeing how chill things like Radiodust are. I'm not sure what the Al/Mimzy ship is called, but it's a good one without drama as well. Deer is always worth it, and the only reason I stick around (outside of the frens here of course).
>>4019463It’s good to have deer loving frens.
>>4019463It's literally just Almimzy. I've never seen another name for it, but in a way it's good that it's simple. As long as we all love the deer, everything will be ok.
>>4019483No greater truth then that when it comes to Mr. alastor
>>4019520I speak no lies.
>>4019481>>4019483Where there's deer there's hope. Misguided hope perhaps, but hope nonetheless.
>>4019526The deer gives me hope. Mainly because I just scored a Human Alastor card. Finally, he's going to be mine.
>>4019528Congratulations! Did you make a trade or catch a deal on Vinted?
>>4019531EBay, actually. Used a coupon and ended up paying quite a bit less than he’s been going for. Still more expensive than I could probably have got him for if I was in the US, but I’ll take it. I still have the Vox vs Al turf war card that I can sell, which is worth more than I paid for Human Al. The only Alastor card I’m missing now from the season 2 cards is the one with Rosie, but that’s not quite so rare.
>>4019534Good stuff. I've been lurking eBay a bit, but it's still too expensive for my budget. I'll probably wait a few months and then see where things are. In the meantime I'll splurge on pins and charms...
>>4019541I’ve generally seen better prices on mercari than eBay, though I don’t look there often since I can’t use mercari in the UK. There’s always the second edition cards, if you don’t find one for a good price. There’s so much good merch around at the moment.
>>4019543>I can’t use mercari in the UKReally? I ordered from them often while in the UK, but it was always sent to my US address...
>>4019553Yeah, it’s not a thing here, they won’t let you ship to a UK address. I can use Japanese mercari with Buyee, don’t know about US mercari because I’ve never looked into it. It’s mildly frustrating at times.
>>4019561I didn't know that, how incredibly annoying. I have the app I downloaded while using my US SIM and it lets you toggle between both US and Japanese listings.
>>4019414I like one of those ships and have drawn art of it but the ship fighting has made me lose interest and I haven’t drawn anything in a long time. I never wanted it to be canon and would prefer Alastor end up alone or at least with a woman since I think it fits his character more but the constant baiting tired me out. I think it’s a zoomer thing to be obsessed with something becoming canon instead of just enjoying fan works for what they are. At this point I’m actively hoping I lose interest in the show by the time season 3 comes around and have moved on.
>>4019579Is that you, 63/oneitis?
>>4019584I don’t know who that is. I used to post art on twitter that would get a small amount of likes and was never popular or well known in the fandom.
>>4019579>I’m actively hoping I lose interest in the show by the time season 3 comes around and have moved on.Unfortunately for me no other shows have Alastor in it…
>>4019579I used to enjoy Radiosilence myself, but it's increasingly difficult these days. While there are certainly sane shippers (I'd say most of us here are pretty rational), they're drowned out by the screeching of less than sane people. And I do think it's a generational thing. The last time I was actively involved in fandom was in the mid 2010s, and it was still largely a millennial space. Sure, there were fandom fights and ship wars, and occasionally people would squawk about incest or lolisho, but most of us just rolled our eyes and told them to fuck off to Tumblr. People took fandom seriously, but it was like a big sandbox to play in, everyone had their own space and throwing sand at each other was frowned upon. Even during the height of the Twilight fandom I never saw ship wars as bad as what I see in Hazbin, people were just having fun with shit. I genuinely do not understand when it was that people started talking fiction so seriously and why that became a thing. It sucks all creative joy out of this fandom.
>>4019566I can’t sign up, it just tells me the app isn’t available in my region. I can see listings, but I can’t do anything with them unless I use a service like buyee. So much merch, just out of reach. >>4019628A show without Alastor is just not worth watching.
>>4019629I’ll be honest I partly blame Viv and the crew for being as involved as they are in the fandom online. I would bet money if they kept a healthy distance like other creators the infighting wouldn’t be nearly so bad.
>>4019629>Even during the height of the Twilight fandom I never saw ship wars as bad as what I see in HazbinI've seen worse desu. I feel like the major generational turning point in fandom becoming a nightmare as a whole was fucking Voltron of all things. Until we reach a point where fans harass and dox voice actors for being supportive of "problematic ships" (the VA's were merely supportive of all ships without picking favorites) to the point where they have to delete all socials and beg shippers to leave them alone (many of them were spreading rumors that the VA for Shiro was a pedophile for being alright with Sheith - a ship involving a 17 year old, later 19 year old due to time travel nonsense, with a 25 year old- and that he touches his own kids based off that. They then mass brigaded Pidge's VA for them making a pro-Sheith comment) or straight up threaten production companies that we'll leak an entire season if they don't make our ship canon, the Hazbin fanbase is still okay. Toxicity among shippers is just business as usual in most fandoms, unfortunately.
>>4019639It's definitely an issue. Most creators with self discipline and maturity keep away from social media and politics. I may shoot the shit on 4chan about my silly opinions, but on main social accounts I'm tight lipped. Viv has a hard time keeping her opinions to herself whether it's about ships, Trump, fans, oversharing her personal life, you name it. When it comes to ships all she had to say was 'it isn't canon unless it's in the show, but enjoy yourselves' and that's it. Unfortunately Viv gives legitimacy to VAs and other people who work on the show, as well as prattling on in her livestreams, so Hazbin has some of the most disjointed lore imaginable. In a way I wish she'd just fucking say 'RA/Charlastor won't happen' and 'RS was always one sided' so everyone would shut the fuck up. I'm tired of the ship baiting that does nothing for her fandom but cause problems.>>4019666Oh I've seen worse. I just feel like fandom was better, or at least more sane prior to the mid 2010s. My first experience with batshit fandom was the Steven Universe nonsense. I recall a person attempting suicide after being bullied so badly over drawing one of the characters slightly less obese. I watched the show, but refused to participate in the fandom due to crap like this. That would have been around 2017 iirc. Wasn't Voltron during the same era? I know it's an older IP, but I vaguely remember a reboot.
>>4019712Viv is honestly terrible at communication in general. She sucks at talking about spoilers without either giving them away altogether or saying the opposite just so she can surprise everyone with a her ‘clever’ twists later. The same thing is evident in the show, where she has to clarify big plot points on bluesky that should have been shown in the show itself. At this point, it would be better for her to pipe down and ask Amazon or A24 for help with PR, but she’s a stubborn bitch, so she’s more likely to just double down. Even when she tries to calm things down she just makes everything worse. She’s put herself in an impossible position and I don’t know how she could start to fix it, even if she wanted to.
>>4019714The fact that she never had a tard wrangler is astonishing in and of itself. A24 and Amazon are not small, indie companies, they have a brand image that can get tarnished by her behavior. Hazbin is Prime's biggest success, and A24 built its brand as the 'elevated horror' people, Hazbin could definitely be a black stain on their history if Viv fumbles it.
>>4019718Maybe they assume that any publicity is good. Idk, the past few days have been one drama after another. The merch drama, ship wars, the artist who did the Helluva poster for Valentine’s got a load of criticism for it which Viv actually responded to, someone said Easy was actually rape again… I hardly got any art on my twitter feed yesterday because it was all shit flinging. It’s tiring. Today is better at least.
>>4019719I feel like they're just sort of turning a blind eye to it. Little will be done unless someone kills someone, threats are made against staff, or someone hurts themselves. Of course I don't want anything to get to that point like it has in other fandoms, but that's always a possibility when you have fan interaction the way Viv does. It's sad really. And yeah. It's...a lot. I think for many of us Deerfags who deal with mental health issues, it's extra exhausting. The takes are insanely ridiculous. I saw where people on Twitter were slamming the HB Valentine artist for drawing Loona and Octavia together 'suggestively' like a 17 year old and a 22 year old being together is pedobait (???). I think we're approaching a point where nobody can enjoy anything anymore because it's 'problematic' in some way, or shippers will use it to aid their schizophrenic delusions. I'm tired, so very tired of this fandom.
>>4019746I would love to be a fly on the wall at Viv’s meetings with Amazon and A24. I wonder if any of this has affected the possibility of a 5th season, or spinoffs. The way she’s spoken about another season made me think it’s pretty much a forgone conclusion, but the longer Hazbin is drawn out, the more of a liability the fandom and Viv herself are. The pedobait post came from Vivziepop Receipts, they deleted it after, but way to make something out of nothing. I wish she’d made Octavia 18. Her being under 18 has caused so much stupid drama. (But then, the age of consent here is 16, so I don’t really get a lot of the hand-wringing over shipping her, since it’s more of a US thing)But like I said, things have been better today. People seem more sad than angry. Hopefully we have a bit of peace for a while. I’m content in my own little corner, writing silly stories and saving cute art.
>>4019759Interestingly enough each state sets its own age of consent laws and legal minutiae around that. Some have clauses for age gaps and such, but in many, if not most states it's flat out 16 or 17. The 18 stuff deals mostly with things that are accessible across state lines, like porn, so the minimum is met in the entirety of the country, as some states set the aoc at 18. So there's a lot of uneducated hypocritical people in the states (big surprise there) that put 18 on an arbitrary pedestal of maturity when it's much more complicated than that. Anyway, that's off topic, so I'm off my soap box.At least things are better today, maybe they'll lighten up as the week continues and we'll get some peace.
>>4019719>>4019746I actually think Amazon is doing the right thing by not getting involved. There is no reason for a professional company to intervene with retards arguing online. Nintendo’s secret official policy whenever there is a controversy is to do nothing and let it blow over which works miracles for them since all the people who complain about them still buy their shit. The problem is that Viv should do what Amazon does and disengage completely from the fandom. I think part of the issue is that now fans now if they raise enough of a stink she will react to it. Complaining about Alastor’s use of voodoo let to her changing the race of an entire character. So now she’s created a model where certain fans think if they complain or raise a fuss enough they have a chance to get her to alter the canon of the show. Which is shitty of them but something she did do at one point.
>>4019764It’s one of those things where context is really important, I think. You just can’t win with some people though. >>4019770It’s more surprising that they don’t seem to be advising Viv on how to deal with controversies. Amazon representatives aren’t exactly going to get involved in twitter ship wars, but they could advise Viv to stop making things worse. I agree though, she’s dug herself a hole and it’s going to be very hard to get herself out of it.
>>4019770Amazon shouldn't get involved in fan drama, nor should any company. However, I do think Amazon and/or A24 should really encourage Viv and co. to disengage from the fandom. Interaction outside of the basic con circuit is almost always a recipe for disaster, as we've seen with other creators (Rebecca Sugar and the Crewniverse comes to mind). Even if some crazy fandom shit happens, the creators would be better to not address it, like Butch Hartman the Danny Phantom waifu killer. But you make a very good point that Viv has capitulated before, and fans are much like toddlers when you give into tantrums, that's the model by which they interpret any further interaction: scream loud enough and mummy will give me my sweets. And much like a spoiled toddler, these fans make existing in their vicinity insufferable.>>4019775Agreed. Context is everything, unfortunately life is often very black or white to Twitter moralists.
>>4019777>tripsNice, also agree, keep the fan bullshit as far away from the show as possible.>>4019775You think they would after however many times, though I don’t think the Amazon executives would exactly know what to do with this kind of thing…
>>4019777>But you make a very good point that Viv has capitulated before, and fans are much like toddlers when you give into tantrums, that's the model by which they interpret any further interaction: scream loud enough and mummy will give me my sweetsThis is the problem with modern fans online in general. They believe if they yell enough on twitter the creators will cave to them. The major issue is that Viv does and has caved to them in the past. Even if she doesn’t give them what they want she almost always makes some kind of tweet addressing whatever discourse is happening. Now she’s created a fanbase that believes if they complain loud enough their complaint will get noticed and the worst part is because she’s chronologically online it almost always does. I can’t even feel bad for her because this is a monster she created herself. If she had kept a healthy distance like most creators do she would not have to deal with this but she can’t help but be over involved. I’m going to go as far to say she shouldn’t even be publicly liking fanart because that creates a sense of creator bias in content and will create resentment in fans of content she is less favorable for. Rebecca Sugar was actually a genius for maintaining no social media profile during Steven Universe’s run even if some of her crew acted foolish because now SU is looked back on pretty fondly and most of the people who claimed it was “problematic” or racist are seen as delusional.
>>4019789Oh my gosh all those cute deer.
>>4019795so many! A herd of them, a convention even!
>>4019816The more the better.
Cute animated deers in love.
>>4019792Time heals most wounds, and SU is looked on fondly after the fact, but man was it a bumpy ride during the run. Though it was, as you say, mainly due to the crew's interactions with fans. With Viv, eh, I don't think there's any fixing it now. This isn't good for her career in the long run, so she should save her money and not blow it on peacocks.
>canon image of myself after paying 8500¥ to tenso. Finally, the big demon deer standee will be mine!
>>4019909lovey dovey deers, love each other so much!
>>4019968He sent himself a Valentine's card, it's canon.
>>4019969Cute
>>4019970True love.
My OTP.>>4019950Let us see when it comes in. :0
>>4019973I don't really know what I'm going to do with him, he's quite a hefty chunk of acrylic.
>>4019972We need all the Alastor on Alastor antics!
>>4019993They get up to too much mischief together.
Speaking of merch. Does anyone have a holy grail they're searching for? I've gotten most of the pins I've been hunting. Of course new drops happen all the time, so my wishlist is long, and I'm largely limiting myself to western pins/charms because the tariffs make importing to the US from Asia very expensive. Occasionally East Asian pins wind up on Mercari and if they're reasonable I'll grab them. Pic rel is the only one I'm really looking for, and the likelihood of finding it is nearly impossible.
Also happy Mardi Gras /deer/!
>>4019996I don't really have any holy grails, I'm quite an impulsive person (like you couldn't guess) so if I can afford it I usually buy it. I love a lot of older pins that I've seen, but there's nothing that I absolutely have to have. Getting the season 2 cards has awakened something in me though, and I would really love to get all the Alastor season 1 and promo cards. That's going to be pricey, I know, I don't care about them being first edition or foils or cracked ice or whatever, I'd just really like to have them. I regret ignoring the promos that came out since I got into Hazbin, since I could have traded or sold them.>>4019997Happy Mardi Gras! I made pancakes for pancake day. <3
>>4020000Those digits....I'm kind of impulsive as well, most of my buys have been 'impulse' buys, ha. Though I think I'll limit myself to charms, stickers and pins to sort of narrow down my autism. If a nice standee comes up, or a good doujin I might consider it, but atm I think filling my pin board is a noble endeavor. I'll make an exception for the human Al card whenever I can get my hands on it. I do regret not buying a few packs when they were up on the website, but I didn't want to risk it when there was no guarantee of a human Al card.I'll be making a pancake supper soon, good times!
>>4019997>>4020001>>4020000Alastor should start forcing people to celebrate Mardi Gras in the hotel
>>4020001I've ended up with a lot of standees, I have maybe 5-6 on the way right now, and the kimono one is waiting for me at Easter. I kind of go in cycles and at the moment I'm into cards. Usually I'll see someone's collection and get jealous, I need to remind myself sometimes it's not a competition. I think the cards were worth it, I know I could get more than my money back even if I sell them off cheap. My human Al should be here by friday, I ordered some holographic sleeves. I'm probably going to get some of the 2nd edition packs when they go up, it's a longshot but I'd still like a chance at the RS card. Enjoy! I had mine with Nutella and strawberries, yum.>>4020005I would celebrate with him willingly, though I might flip a pancake or two onto his antlers.
>>4020005Definitely! King cake for everyone!>>4020012Ugh, yes. Seeing the other yume shrines on TikTok makes me feel so inadequate lol. But then I have to remind myself that I'm a working mother and I have big girl bills and many yume shippers on social media are teens or uni freshmen who spend their whole allowance on merch. :,) When it comes to the cards I'm not picky, I'll take a 2nd edition, non foil, as long as I can look at his handsome face. Are you planning on displaying your cards?
>>4020015The only reason I buy so much is because I get free money and I'm too old to go out drinking with the 18 year olds, so you aren't wrong there kek. I'd like to do something with my cards but I'm not sure yet. I've seen some people making or buying decorated frames, though I also decided to get cards tangentially related to Alastor which I don't care so much about displaying. Plus I autistically decided to keep all 3 turf war cards, and I'll also get all 4 of the hear my hope cards once I get the Radiorose one because they're related to each other. I don't really have enough cards for a binder.
>>4020012>>4020015Nifty will clean it all up so don't worry too much about it. do not eat the baby in the king cake
>>4020021Niffty would enjoy cleaning up after Mardi Gras. I could imagine it being her favourite time of the year.
>>4019095>Al nearly assaulted me on c.ai out of nowhereSome gals have all the luck!
>>4020084I’ll spread some of that luck to you. Actually I usually wouldn’t mind, it just came at a bad time. At least I could save it for later.
My charms and pins are finally coming in! Todays haul:
>>4020150Those are nice, he's so handsome. Congrats! I like the colours on the one on the right.
>>4020156The one on the right was actually from a murdermedia set, but thankfully I could buy Al individually.
I've never ordered merch of my husbando so I feel pretty cringe about this but I just HAD to get it, he looks so handsome. Anyone else preorder theirs??
>>4020158Nice! It's great when you have the option to buy the characters separately. There are some fantastic artists who draw Murdermedia, even if it's not my favourite, I still appreciate seeing the art.
>>4020160I did! We can be cringe together. Idk how he's going to fit into my collection though, everything else is so red.
>>4020160I sat out on the V-Day merch mostly because I don't like giving Viv my money directly (Hot Topic I can handle). So unless she releases human Al merch or some really outstanding Deer stuff I'll pass. I did, however, get a few of the Valentines pins/charms from indie artists (pic rel), and there are a few other pre orders I'll hit up unless they run out before I get to them.>>4020161I think it makes more sense to sell them individually, that's been the merchandising model for HB and I prefer it so you can mix and match your ships instead of being locked in.
>>4020163I suppose it depends on the item, I'm not opposed to specific ship merch per se. Good quality merch for popular ships will sell well regardless, but it's nice to have options. I follow a popular Chinese plushie maker, and they only make RS dolls, they won't sell them separately. You do have to admire their dedication to their ship. They always manage to meet their preorder targets as well, from what I've seen.
>>4020164I get the dedication, I've been asked to do MM and RS stuff, and honestly even if people paid well I wouldn't feel comfortable drawing it. So I respect artist's right to mix and match however they choose, though I also appreciate the artists who don't exclude the yume dollar so to speak, heh.
>>4020166Definitely, artists should only draw what they feel comfortable with. I think the artist I mentioned is only really comfortable with VoxAl because they say they block anyone who draws RS with Vox as the bottom. To each their own. I personally am well catered for, so I can't complain. At least one of the benefits of Alastor being a popular character is that he gets a lot of merch.
>>4020169I suppose we're lucky in the sense that we're catered to more than any other characterfags. There's people making art/merch of even our most niche deer ships. I have a good bit of Charlastor, even though it's largely reviled.
>>4020174Was there a lot of merch for it in the pilot days? Though that would be annoying since old merch sells for a lot. It's like, the only Alastor ship I don't follow at all. I've seen a few bits and pieces recently, since some of the artists I follow like it, but I mainly just scroll past and don't pay attention.
>>4020177A good bit, yes. Radiodust and Charlastor were the most popular ships, so there was a plethora of charms and pins iirc. Of course the fandom was much smaller then. The Taxidermist and human Al/yume OCs (like Lady G and Essie) were insanely popular, so I was really lucky to get a lot of human Al stuff.
>>4020177It was nonexistent in the pilot days from what I remember. Just mostly fan art and the comics by Viv and Faustisse.Side note I love how he was drawn in this, he was so lennnngthy and pointy. I also like that he was canonically popular with the ladies in this. I, too would be beaming with delight if he tossed me his hat.
Did the pilot era have ship merch?>yes>noThe duality of man.
>>4020189Idk about merch, but pilot era had great charlastor fics. Currently I don't find the feeling they used to have anymore
>>4020189Made me laugh. So I guess, there was some but not as much as there is now since the fandom is much bigger, and there's been a shift in what is popular. (which I kind of knew already, but I was interested in the merch angle)>>4020182He is very fetching in this. Such a charmer. I do think the lady who caught his had is about to be ripped to pieces though. RIP.>>4020194I always think I'd be into Charlastor if I got into Hazbin earlier, at best I'm indifferent to it. I do see their chemistry more if you just take the pilot.
>>4020194I have some pilot era Charlastor merch, but it was like three, maybe four artists putting out stuff, which was a lot for the time, but obviously nothing compared to today. I saw a little more yume/human Al merch than I did Charlastor desu. What was the feeling? I personally feel like a lot of Charlastor these days is kind of bland.
>>4020196I like Charlastor because Charlie looks the most similar to me and it's easier to self-insert as a yume, kek
>>4020198That's fair! I have very little in common with Charlie, in both personality and looks, so that may be why I have trouble with Charlastor. There are too many blondes in Hazbin, and the rest of them have white hair I swear. I probably look closest to Roo, so I'm kind of hoping that gets popular once she's introduced.
Dumb deer
>>4020286Why is he like this? What a ridiculous creature.
I FINALLY GOT HIM. I’m so happy, he’s so lovely.
>>4020353He's absolutely beautiful, congratulations!
>>4020197I guess the feeling was similar to what yume gives sometimes. Alastor turning some double intention into (often non-physicall) adoration of Charlie. Something angsty like them being the only ones left in hell or something.Not that it was anything punk rock, but nowadays I feel that the ship is blander bc Charlie is way too busy as a character. It's difficult to see her making meaningful relationships with any character in the series, including Vaggie, cause she's always freaking out abt a problem that happens upon her instead.
>>4020375Thanks, I've basically been looking at him all afternoon. I was thinking I might display him somehow with Rosie's Call, since they both relate to his human life. (well I have a foil Mimzy too, but she doesn't match the vibe, cute as she is)>>4020379Charlie is a disappointing character. She suffers a lot by being Viv's self insert unfortunately, and we're told about her character growth rather than shown it in the show. I think the next season will be kind of make or break for Charlie, with it being centred around her family. We're told that Alastor trusts Charlie the most, and that his line about Vox never being able to break Charlie's spirit is important, but again it's without much payoff in the show itself.
>>4020379When I used to write Charlastor I used a similar dynamic. I never liked Charlie being the damsel in distress type, I tried to write her as competent. The fun was having Alastor realize that she was competent and that he was slowly falling for her. The more angst the better. But my writing is always grimdark anyway.Charlie is one of the biggest examples of wasted potential in the show. She's deeply unlikable as a character currently and I'm really hoping that some of this gets addressed in the next season.>>4020382I don't think I could stop staring myself, it's hard enough having him as my phone wallpaper, I get distracted way too easily.
>>4020401He's very nice to look at, I'm way too attached to this tiny overpriced piece of card. It reinforces my desire for the season 1 Alastor cards though.
>>4020353Congratulations!
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/127240110Good alastor artists is back, I think. Lots of gore tho
>>4020403I hope you're able to collect all of them, a noble quest. :3>>4020426Gore? Gore is good.
>>4020413Thanks, I love him, still haven't put him away.>>4020426>lots of goreYum. I would have posted it here if I realised they had disappeared before. Sorry...
Ah, I forgot to mention that I updated the fic. I'm going to try and get back into a more productive schedule with that. Also the next chapter is going to be smut, so I'm giving advance warning to anyone who wants to skip those bits.
>>4020453Excellent. I'll look forward to it. I decided last night I really need to work on The Swamp Witch again, I managed to churn out 18k words of silly Valentine's nonsense in a week, I can work on something a bit more serious. Though to be fair, I'm still on track for my one chapter every 3 months schedule...
>>4020456>silly Valentines nonsense It was good nonsense though! And I wouldn't worry about a schedule if you have other, more important life things going on. Quality over quantity always.
>>4020466The more I see it, the more I kinda wish they kept the mustache. I wasn't a fan at first but I like that it makes him look older.
>>4020466I keep finding typos, it's not my best... people seem to enjoy it though, and I get to flex my New Orleans obsession. >>4020473Yes. This has been my position from the start. He's still handsome, but I liked that he looked a bit more mature with it.
New yume doujin, Alastor bullies (you) with toys. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/141395074
>>4020473I like him either way, but as someone who's heteroromantic I'm not against men looking like men. I liked the fact that it made him look his age (canonically in his 40s, unless the lore has changed), and not like a 17 year old boy. Shocking take from me, I know. >>4020477Typos are the bane of my existence. I have no beta readers, so I'm constantly catching them when I re-read my chapters.>>4020479Yummy.
>>4020483I was uploading a chapter a day, so I ended up reading through once before uploading each chapter, so I missed a lot. The last few were better since I gave them an extra day in between. It was a challenge of quantity over quality, at least until Valentine’s Day. I also do not have a beta reader, but usually I agonise over every word so it’s not generally a problem.
>>4020485That's a pretty intense schedule to keep, so I think is appropriate to give yourself some grace with it. I remember pushing myself to finish the Halloween fic and it being filled with typos. I'm surprised Psy was even able to do a decent read though.
>the centaur art is getting passed aroundI'm ashamed to say I've done this AU on c.ai, but he was a deer rather than a horse. I couldn't get into it like I could the merman or vampire stuff. I'm not opposed to animal, uh, 'parts', but it was awkward however I tried to play it.
>>4020488The original plan was just a silly story ending with a confession on Valentine’s Day, and then a chapter of smut as a bonus the day after. I figured if it was shit, I could take time afterwards to rewrite it properly. Then I ended up getting a bunch of really nice comments, and people seemed interested in more, so instead of rushing into smut I decided to give them some dates instead, since I think that’s more true to Alastor’s character. I have some plans now to explore their letters a bit more, and also their deaths. If anything, I need a bit of breathing room to develop a coherent story.>>4020490>ashamedHa… don’t be. Its not that weird… It’s not something I would personally be into, with all the logistics. I adore the art, and when artists draw him as a creepy deer monster in general, but I like it because he’s a creepy deer monster rather than it being attractive. It crosses into “too furry” territory for me.
New Lady G Valentines pins coming out soon, there are some spicy ones. https://x.com/LadyGValentine/status/2024711766404706427
>>4020531I haven't finished it yet, but I would definitely like more myself. I agree that Al wouldn't be the kind of guy to rush things. I'm sure it's mildly annoying to my readers who just want the spicy bits, because I'm 13 chapters in and they've yet to do much more than grinding. But I feel like Al probably isn't very needy sexually, and when he is he treats it like a favor to you, so a slow burn is much more appropriate.>the logisticsThat's my issue. How am I meant to cuddle him? And any way you slice it the spicy bits would feel uh, awkward, to put it politely. Too furry is a good way to describe it. It was a fun AU as far as world building, but not one I'd go back to for romance.>>4020589Oh that's just fine. It's not like I NEED money or anything...
>>4020592As much as I encourage everyone to be as self-indulgent as they want in fanfiction, I really love when something is well thought out to keep Alastor in character as much as possible. I've written straight up smut, if that's what someone wants, they can read it there. Puzzling out how Alastor would react when he finds out that you killed yourself because he stopped responding is much more interesting.>pins Ugh yeah, stop releasing things I want, it's not fair. I just rearranged my pins as well, since they were a bit randomly placed, and I made a bit more space. Very bad timing, lel.
>>4020613I largely prefer stories where Al is as in character as possible, it's not the best for fluff, but great for angst. I do feel like he'd be troubled at the idea of someone killing themselves over him, but I think he'd be very private about it.I just got a new, massive pin board, so I have room at least. But man, I end up spending $60-$70 every time there's a good drop.
>>4020661Same, even if I write fluff I try to keep it is in character as possible. It's hard to get the balance right sometimes. Knowing where to take liberties with his character that are still believable is challenging, I respect those who can do it well. It's too easy to gloss over his negative traits just for the sake of an easy romance.You'll have to show us pics when you fill it up. I envy people with huge boards full of pins. I'll probably end up getting one myself eventually, but until then I'll live vicariously through everyone else.
>>4020674The woobification of Al is a big issue in a lot of the content I come across, so when he's particularly nasty I'm very thankful for it, as weird as that sounds.I have a long way to go. I'm currently clustering them based on color schemes, so we'll see how that goes.
>>4020693I just enjoy Alastor being written with nuance. I don't think he's an unfeeling monster who could never love anyone, but I also think he would have trouble with romantic feelings and the way they would make him feel vulnerable. I can definitely see him lashing out and being cruel to someone he develops feelings for. There's nothing better than reading something where the author has genuinely put thought into why Alastor would get together with someone, whether it's another character or a self-insert. I actually organised mine in a similar way. It annoys me that I have only one neon Alastor pin, he looks a little out of place next to all the others, who are very red. Guess I have to buy more...
>>4020693>>4020734It’s always too much of a baby or just a stone cold killer. You have to strike a good balance between the funny and cute side and murdering bastard side.
>>4020762Exactly. It's fine to lean into one side of him based on context, but if you only focus on one aspect of his personality, you're seriously missing out.
>>4020768Cute animation. I find a lot of the problems now especially in newer fanfics are people just not understanding how to write Alastor right as the show barely gets him right.
>>4020777>tripsSo many cute animations around. We are blessed! But also cursed in a way, to think about the deer so deeply. Trying to parse through Viv's writing is interesting at times, that's true.
>>4020781NOOOOO poor alastor :( but yeah too many people lean too heavily on only why is shown in the show, which ain’t much. And forget about all the pilot and comic stuff.
>>4020782He should get clothes that fit him, silly deer. It's a shame, I've seen a fair few people who have only just discovered the comics. Alright so they're not canon, but I don't think there's any harm in considering them canon until there's something in the show that contradicts them. It's a nice way to flesh out the character. I'm interested in the official art book, since it apparently has concept art, storyboards, and interviews, it might confirm a few things.
>>4020783Personally I consider the comics more canon then most of the show, course I mostly use the show for finding cute Alastor gifts And frames. But one could separate it into pilot canon and show canon.
>>4020790I just think it's sad that there are so many newer fans who haven't seen all the old media. I mean, I'm fairly new, but I went searching for as much as possible when I got into it. The only thing I haven't done is watch all the livestreams, I don't have time for all that kek.
>>4020794The live streams were so good. At least go watch some of the highlights it’s worth it.
>>4020796I watched some of the Alastor bits, since I've used them in debates. The wiki helpfully links to the relevant bits. Maybe I'll stick them on in the background while I'm writing or something, so I can dip in and out.
>>4020797It’s not bad. A totally different vibe then what is shown off in the show, though that is more due to the constraints of 6000 songs and everything having to move the plot forward as fast as possible. The angel And alastor segments are great.
>>4020804I didn't mind the bits I watched, they're just so long, it's a little intimidating. To be fair it can't be any worse than rewatching my comfort shows for the billionth time.
>>4020808There is a lot of lore that's in the livestreams.>Alastor's background/parents (vaguely speaking)>Viv's BPD ex and how she bases everything off of her former relationships >Alastor's view of men vs womenBut of course you have to dig through a lot of nonsense, and it's impossible to know if it's still canon or not.
>>4020808>>4020816It’s all good information. Lots of antics and goofs. Good for putting on in the background like you said
>>4020816>>4020817I'll watch them. More knowledge is always good, even if it's out of date.
