Falling Down EditionWelcome to /Deer/!>What is /Deer/?/Deer/ is a thread for fans of Alastor, the Radio Demon, from Amazon Prime’s hit series Hazbin Hotel. /Deer/ is a safe space to discuss, promote, and create content for our favorite deer man!>Who we are…We are deer friends from all walks of life who come together in this thread to share content related to Alastor. We are inclusive and welcome everyone who is interested in the Red Stag.>Who are the Alasisters/Stag Sisters?Alasisters/Stag Sisters are a collection of devoted riako yumes who make up the Cult of the Red Stag. They honor their F/O by partaking in blood and sex rituals on his behalf.>What are the rules?* Respect all deer friends.* Respect our husbando.* Ignore all bait posters.* Stay on topic. This is a solo Alastor thread and ship art/discussion is not allowed.* Keep it varied! A healthy thread has a number of topics.* No ship warfare, ship material belongs on /hhg/.* We do not kink shame, however NSFW content is not allowed. Do not force your kinks on others. Go to /trash/ for pornographic content and discussion.* Lolisho must be SFW.Questions? An in-depth explanation can be found here: https://pastebin.com/1NbtaKCm>Previous threads:>for /trash/:https://desuarchive.org/trash/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/type/op/results/thread/>for /cm/:https://archived.moe/cm/search/subject/%2Fdeer%2F/text/%2Fdeer%2F/>Deer related links:Hazbin Hotel Pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0/hhg/ website: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/Creator's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/SpindleHorseOfficial website: https://www.hazbinhotel.com/Psyanon fanfic recordings: https://hazbinhelluvageneral.com/psyanon-recordings/Fanfiction from our /Deer/ residents: https://archiveofourown.org/collections/hhg_fics
>>4032969Cute>>4032968SLUT>>4032967Cutie>>4032965Cutie>>4032964Grumpy
>>4032995Deer needs a gentle lover.
>>4032994Nice, it’s the deer rating service.
>>4032997He can hurt u but you can’t hurt him cause that’s mean>>4033044All get a 10/10!
>>4032997I was thinking about this and came to the conclusion that if Alastor has to have a canon love interest, I would much rather it be someone who treats him gently. As much as I like seeing him being femdommed or dominated by men, in the long run he needs more kindness in his life. I don’t even know who would be best though.>>4033049Only 10/10? He deserves at least 11/10 or even 12/10.
>>4033058>I don’t even know who would be best though.Charlie or Emily, at least in my opinion. Putting aside the male characters (I don't think ANY of them would be good for Al, the closest being Angel maybe? Husk?) I think most of the female characters give femdom vibes. I do like Al/Mimzy, but I'm pretty sure Mims would be something of a gold digger, ha. And it's still quasi-canon that she took advantage of him in life, so that's a thing. The only issue is that Charlastor would cause massive meltdowns and Radiosmile just seems like low rent Charlastor. As much as I'd like to see Al treated tenderly, it's probably best that he stays single.
>>4033159I thought Charlie or Emily, but I can’t see Charlie doing anything but frustrate him right now and Emily has interacted with him once, and idk if they’ll develop that further. My other option was maybe Rosie, in a kind of motherly way, but that would require getting over the way she owned him and toyed with him for decades, and she’s probably someone else anyway. Most of Alastor’s relationships are pretty toxic in the show, and I don’t trust the writing enough to think they’ll be developed well. My position is still that he should end up single, as a hypothetical though there aren’t many good options really.
>>403305820/10 minimum >>4033165>>4033159The show really needed like an entire season to just focus on the main characters and what they get up too. Would have done a lot for them.
>>4033166Either that or some kind of supplementary material that fills in the gaps, rather than leaving us to assume things. Comics or shorts or something. I know Viv is probably wary of spoilers, but with only two or possibly 3 seasons to go, there’s so much about the world we don’t know. It would be great to have a series focused on Alastor, his human life and his time in Hell before he went to the Hazbin Hotel.
>>4033165Charlie's current iteration leaves very little to be desired. Unless Viv steps up her game with character development I have a feeling I'd hate Charlastor. Emily is annoying to me personally. It's mostly her VA, I feel like she shouts all of her lines.>>4033166Having focus on the actual characters would have been nice, but I don't think Viv is capable of that.
>>4033180The backlash to Charlastor would kill it before you even think about how the characters would act. There’s the people who would cry about breaking up a sapphic couple to put Charlie with a man (even though she is bi and the only other person we know she has dated is a man), fujos who insist Alastor is gay and has to be with their partner of choice, and general hatred for Charlastor shippers based on “did you hear what a couple of schizos did years ago?”. Idk, I’d prefer them to develop a platonic relationship or something more familial than romantic based on where they are in the show right now. Emily is basically just Heaven Charlie, I’d like her to get more of her own personality. I like her, but I do get what you mean about her VA’s delivery. I like Charlie too, really, but you have to get past a lot of terrible writing to get there. In fanon I’m fine shipping practically everything because you can tweak things and make them make sense. The canon leaves a lot to be desired, and if it’s not going to be done well it shouldn’t be done at all.
>>4033180I swear like 90% of the female cast are now just Vivze self inserts. They all act very stupid
>>4033183I think the backlash to Charlastor would be insufferable. While I don't think it would kill the show per se, it would definitely cause a lot of people to jump ship. Viv has built a large fanbase of LGBT people, and a lot of the younger people in the community have issues with representation. Charlie IS bisexual, she's shown to have interests in both, so her falling for a man isn't really sapphic erasure. I think the only way this might work is if Vaggi(e) got with another woman and ended having a better relationship than with Charlie. Maybe it would reinforce the 'don't date bi girls if you're sapphic' trope, but hey. There would probably be some Aromantic people who'd be disgruntled, but having some heteroromantic asexual representation would actually be nice, since most ace representation is also some flavor of alphabet soup (aro/bi/trans/whatever). With the fujos? I don't know what to say, this younger generation has a really hard time with just enjoying things that aren't canon. We're living in a timeline where fujos are harassing the very real wives of formula one drivers and hockey players because they're in the way of their gay ships. They're going to be salty no matter what happens unless it's their OTP. Long gone are the old school fujos who were just happy to indulge in fantasy knowing it wasn't canon. All the fujo ships I indulged in were never going to happen and it never mattered to me.All that aside, the straight ships in Hazbin feel like such hetslop because they're incredibly rushed. Does Cherisnake or Madmaid even have anything going for them? They just came out of nowhere. No chemistry, no build up. It's ass. And I'm absolutely positive Charlastor or Radiosmile would be exactly the same.
>>4033205There’s basically no way to go with pairing Alastor up with someone in the canon without it being an absolute shitshow. One of the major downsides to being a multishipper and engaging with so many ships is that you see a lot of really terrible delusional takes, and the sheer hatred some people have for rival ships. It’s part of the reason I’ve been engaging more with less popular ships, I’m sick of reading about how RS/RA is definitely going to be canon because it’s the best thing ever and everyone who disagrees is an idiot with shit taste. Not that it doesn’t happen with other ships too, but there’s much less nonsense.I’m also going to stick with yumeshipping, its somehow less drama lel.
>>4033218I've bitched and moaned enough about going from enjoying Radiosilence to having to basically mute every RS/RA adjacent tag within a matter of a month. It's made me very guarded around most shippers, and that's unfortunate. What's so funny to me is how yumes were considered the delusional cringe subset just a decade or so ago. And there's still toxicity, but it's more so in the anime fandoms, so we're somewhat insulated. Thank God.
>>4033205All of it is unfortunately rushed and underbaked cause that’s most of the show >>4033218>>4033225Just want my deer to be happy! Is it hard for people to let bygones be bygones and just enjoy deer content without making it all drama? Having the deer to yourself is probably the saner option, less drama that way!
>>4033225RS has seen the biggest shift from what I’ve seen, RA has always had that annoying subsection of underage fans who start ship wars and shout about how canon it is. Though I found that muting the Murdermedia tag helped a lot. I still see some of the art because a lot of people suck at using the 39952083 tags they insisted on having for every slight variation of the ship, but it filters out a lot of the cringe opinions. I’m stubborn enough to not let it kill my enjoyment of the ships, but it is annoying.Sometimes the algorithm is ok and gives me lots of art, it’s a gamble. All the Alastor yumes I’ve interacted with have been fine, in terms of the actual yumeshipping parts anyway.
>>4033271I think that's asking a lot from the fandom as it currently is. :|>>4033272Murdermedia tends to be the biggest culprit because it's the most 'flavor of the month-ish', which attracts a lot of people who aren't in it because they care about the characters. Most RS shippers are TVfags anyway, so those who do care aren't really into Al. He's more of an accessory. There are completely normal people who like MM out there, and I'm generalizing of course, but that's the trend I've noticed. The tagging is...not the best. I've had to mute so many variations because they insist on having a tag for every possible dynamic and scenario, and some actively try to slip past filters. For example I've seen straight up MM porn tagged a just #human Alastor, #human Vox. It's impolite at best, and for some of us who are schizo enough to get anxiety from it (*vitamin D deficiency has got me all fucked up*) it's incredibly unpleasant. I chalk it up to young folks who haven't learned fandom etiquette yet.Femcel over on /hhg/ was the only actual Alastor yume (I wouldn't count people who self insert with multiple characters as a yume) that I didn't fully vibe with, the overwhelming majority of other yumes have been a pleasure to be around. I've seen drama in the greater yume community over dumb shit like itabags>you're not a true yume unless you have a repeating button bag with only official merch bla blaBut I think a lot of that is manufactured TikTok outrage.
>>4033290I liked the idea of Murdermedia at first but now I mostly dislike it because of those sorts of people. They mischaracterise both characters and harass artists for things that don’t align with their own headcanons. When they all move on to the next big shiny thing, it’ll be a good day. I can still enjoy my RS doujins in the comfort of my own room, and all the fanart I saved. Some of them are not going to have a fun time when season 3 airs, that’s for sure.There are a few yumes I dislike for other reasons, but on the whole everyone is nice enough. The only other yumes I really interact with are other Hellaverse yumes anyway, we’re all in the same boat as far as merch is concerned. Speaking of which, I’m so done with seeing Hot Topic blind bags for everything. It’s prohibitively expensive to buy from HT from overseas anyway, I’m not spending that much on shipping if I’m not guaranteed to get Alastor. Those phone buddy things are already sold out online, and they’re being resold for like $40-50 already. As deerfags we are blessed to get more official merch than anyone, but cursed to pay the deer tax when buying secondhand.
>>4033332Things get popular and then the gay people find it and make it Gae, thus making it annoying. Tale as old as time>>4033290One can dream…
>>4033332I'm kind of hoping that S3 disappoints enough RS/RA fujos that most will fuck off, leaving only those who don't go crazy over it being canon and just enjoy the ship for the ship's sake. I know that's mean of me, but having a break would be nice. It would also let other, less popular ships get a foot in the door. If I never have to see a big buff stereotype or rando skinwalking as human Al again I'll die happy lol. The merch situation can be extremely tiring. Once something enters the second hand market it becomes outrageous, a $30 pin is now $70. Blind bags are something that appeals to young kids, they're all fried from Pokemon unboxings and lucky scoop content, so they have a low key gambling addiction, ha. For us adults there's no thrill in it, we want what we want and aren't interested in wasting money. I haven't bought one because there's no guarantee I'll get Al. I prefer to only buy fan merch so I can support artists, but the second hand market is a nightmare for items that are OOP/discontinued.
Speaking of merch, the human Al zine is open for preorder.https://playinghuman.bigcartel.com/I got the full bundle, so I can do an unboxing when it arrives (around Christmas I expect) provided I'm Stateside. I don't mind spending a little extra in this case since the proceeds go to a family's shelter local to my area. They have an NSFW digital zine too it seems...
>>4033353Those deer are being naughty. >>4033391It would be good for those who enjoy those ships as well to get rid of the more vocal kids who have deluded themselves into thinking their ship is going to be canon and will throw their toys out the pram when it isn’t. With RS there is so much you can do with AUs, RA doesn’t have as much canon basis but I’m assuming they’re going to interact a lot more next season so there should be plenty of material to play around with that. Mostly I just wish the shippers would stop needling at each other and posting about how shit the other ship is. If you don’t like it and don’t want it showing up in your feed then the best thing to do is stfu about it. Living in the UK, or I guess Europe as a whole is just Hell when it comes to merch. Everything is either US or Asia exclusive, and shipping is really expensive, especially from the US. We also don’t have access to Mercari. I’m lucky to have the collection I do.>>4033435Thanks for the reminder, I was going to check it out but work was super busy today so I kind of forgot all about it…
>>4033439Naughty but cute. A hard combination to hate!
>>4033442Sums up the deer really, naughty but cute. Give him a spanking.
>>4033439I would definitely appreciate it if they stopped acting like yumes are some sort of existential threat to their ships. Like, I'm just out here enjoying a character who isn't canonically same sex attracted yet, why let my existence bother you? My 'ship' is shamelessly self indulgent and literally can't happen lol. Though my experience is soured by my past experiences where I've had people froth at the mouth at me for saying Alastor probably wouldn't enjoy receiving anal canonically speaking. Ships are meant to be fun and these people ruin it. Hopefully S3 settles them down and we can enjoy AUs in peace. Tariffs make importing anything here nightmarish, but I'm very privileged when it comes to local, stateside stuff. Mercari is a massive help when it comes to tracking down hard to find stuff.
>>4033446To be fair I haven’t had that experience, but then I ship him with men as well, and I find that a lot of the times I interact with like at least one fujo ship as well. But I’m good at compartmentalising, porn is porn and most of it for Alastor is ooc. I like it when people depict him as being into sex, but think about what he would actually be into. The problems only really start when people can’t separate their headcanons from the canon.I just suck it up and buy what I want… I ended up buying the full bundle of the human Al zine, plus the spicy zine as well. Shipping here is $25, but there’s a lot included so I don’t mind, it feels like it’s worth it. Hot Topic shipping is just horrendous, it’s a flat $44 from what I can see. I’m considering doing a big order to make it worthwhile, but there isn’t that much I want. At that point, I might as well buy from the scalpers.
>>4033451I've never had a problem with fujo shippers until Hazbin, I myself have shipped m/m, f/m, and f/f without incident until the last year or so. Something about Hazbin brings out the worst, but in fairness I haven't been this involved in fandom in a while. When it comes to Al and sex, I feel like it's something that's not off the table, but he'd be very picky. And even then sex might be more about control and power rather than love or pleasure. But there's the question of vulnerability, and I can't see him ever agreeing to something like penetration, regardless of orientation. He probably wouldn't enjoy intimacy at all unless he was *really* 'in love', whatever that looks like for him. Too vulnerable. He looked miserable every second Vox had him tired up unless he was trying to a dig in, same as when Rosie tossed him around. Control freaks don't make good partners outside of porn.That shipping is very reasonable, I paid $15 for shipping within the US, so it's not too much more for international postage. If I were traveling with a larger bag I wouldn't mind getting some Hot Topic merch and taking it back to the UK. Unlike scalpers I'm happy to just get reimbursed for the US prices/stateside shipping.
Horse Al is finished. >>82369650
>>4033475Fuck, I always mess that up. It's on /hhg/ anyway lol.
Personally I still give a lot of leeway to RS shippers regardless of how annoying they are because I know this is a flash in the pan and there's no way they're getting more fanservice after S2. RA on the other hand is going to be so unbearable going forwards. Hell, it pisses me off knowing that Lucifer is going to be Alastor's exception to the "no friends in hell" rule simply because he's Viv's favorite little woobie. >Viv has said Alastor hates smug emotional dudes who break down and wallow easily>Lucifer is literally this>but he will somehow become Alastor's first genuine friend>not Husk, not Niffty, not Charlie>but fucking LuciferFuck this gay earth
>>4033475>>4033476That’s not how you ride a horse…
>>4033486>but he will somehow become Alastor's first genuine friendThat would be the worst thing ever…
>>4033486Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I'm hoping this isn't the case. As long as romantic RA doesn't become canon I can handle it. If it does I'll dump everything I have and be super salty for a period of time.>>4033487I mean, we can't show that on a blue board!
>>4033460I don’t think he would last long in a relationship where he constantly has to vie for dominance, and I think especially after having his soul owned for a long time he would find it harder to be vulnerable to someone like that, at least enough to be intimate with them. I could maybe see it if Alastor mellows out over time, with proper development, and is also probably contingent on the other character also mellowing out. >>4033486I’m just annoyed because I finally got to a place where I have all the annoying RA shippers muted and now another group is acting up and I have to start all over again. It’s a small minority of loud idiots who add nothing, but start all the drama, as always.>>4033475I love the colours, the full piece is awesome. Everyone should have a rideable deer.
Ride your deers responsibly
There is an Alastor zine with some charlastor artists I like but it’s like 70% radioapple artists and one of them is a weirdo that hates Charlie so I am going to avoid it.
>>4033503You'd definitely need to have more character development, which I'm not entirely sure we'll get considering Viv's pacing. I think it's entirely possible for Al to be able to open up and feel love, I've always pegged him more as BPD rather than straight up sociopathic. Though I think he'd really need someone to work with him and help him understand that being vulnerable isn't the worst thing.And thank you, I'm actually excited to start working with digital more, when I have time anyway.>>4033636I really avoid the ship doujins/zines, I don't even like Charlastor enough to get those respective doujins, except for the Taxidermist novelization anyway. The new human zine has tons of RA artists, but it's ship free, so I'm fine with it. Unfortunately I do expect their art to make him look like some burly black stereotype.
>>4033603As long as I get to ride him…>>4033667That’s why Alastor ships are best left to fanon, really. Everyone is free to do what they want then, and take their time to develop him properly. There’s a Radiorose zine coming up that looks interesting, makes me want to try my hand at writing some myself. I actually had an idea for a story with Al and Rosie, kind of a prequel to The Swamp Witch where Alastor first moves out to the swamp, and she takes him under her wing. But I have to get on and finish the main story first, lel.
>>4033675Radiorose is one of those ships where I'm not really into it, but the shippers are so chill that I'm perfectly happy to interact with it. I even have a small collection of RR art now, so I'd be more than happy to give it a read.
>>4033713I got more into it recently, I always kind of liked it, but I didn’t actively seek it out or anything. Perhaps I subconsciously want to enjoy it now before Rosie inevitably gets ruined next season. I don’t think it would be too shippy, I just thought it would be fun since I’m pretty sure Rosie isn’t going to show up in the fic.
>>4033717Do you think that Rosie is going to end up be someone else? I feel like that's a very distinct possibility, but I don't want to jump the gun.
>>4033721Iirc someone (Viv? Idk, can’t remember… too many people saying shit) said we’re going to find out who Rosie really is. I don’t know if she’s going to directly be another character like Lilith, or Eve, or Roo. My pet theory is that she’s related somehow to Roo, because of the fact that she and the cannibals have no eyes. But who knows. I also have a niggling feeling that whatever Rosie wanted Alastor to do will come up again, but I have no idea what it could be. There’s also the 7 years thing, and we know that Rosie was involved in that too. The whole thing has the potential to be really interesting, but as with everything it won’t be as good as it should be.
>>4033726Whatever ends up happening it'll probably be incredibly underwhelming. My money is on her being Lilith/directly involved with Lilith, but Roo could be a definite possibility.
>>4033489>>4033492>that new LVL UP card that has Huskerdust and Radioapple togetherYeah, there's no way it isn't happening at this point. I have no hope.
>>4033773I mean, by that metric RA should have become canon based on 'The Offer'. I wouldn't read too much into the cards. We're not seeing anything we haven't already in other cards like the Christmas promos.
>>4033774false equivalency, nobody on the staff ships radiostatic anywhere near the same level as RA/SM and Viv's likes are like 90% RA. They already get a huge amount of merch as well, Hot Topic literally has a hoodie that combines Lucifer and Alastor's sigils and the Valentines merch this year had them sharing jackets>inb4 "her likes mean nothing"It's part of a pattern that all adds up. She adores the ship, they've set up that season 3 is going to have Alastor stay at the hotel for Lucifer, she's said she can't wait to explore their relationship, and Lucilith is pretty much DOA. I think it's wishful thinking to assume they're not going to get overwhelming focus or become a couple down the line
>>4033774>>4033777I feel like it’s gonna get teased at and hinted a lot but nothing concrete besides a friendship they pull out of their asses. Im pretty out of the show at this point so it won’t bother me. Fanon is much better.
>>4033778We can say it won't bother us, but it absolutely will, especially when fanon will be entirely RA art. It will be nigh impossible to get solo Alastor art, especially since the eastern fujos who draw him will also bail
>>4033777Deeply unfortunate trips of truth...
>>4033777I'm going to be honest, I'm choosing not to doompost over it for the sake of 'muh mentals'. I'll just have wishful thinking until I'm proven otherwise by concrete evidence in the show. Not merch, not likes, the actual show. And when that happens I'll liquidate my collection and bail because there won't be anything for me anymore. Until that point it's probably for the best not to worry about it. I think it'll be teased, but that's about it desu.
>>4033787>liquidate my collectionBrutal
>>4033787>And when that happens I'll liquidate my collection and bail because there won't be anything for me anymoreThis is precisely why I haven't bought a single piece of Hazbin merch outside of doujins. I can never buy merch for a series that has the potential to ruin the character I love unless it's a completed series, it's just too risky. I'm glad most of the pilot era merch wasn't great because I think I would've caved back then.
Let’s hope Vivze doesn’t totally fumble everything cause I don’t want to lose my /deer/ frens!
>>4033790Not immediately, doing anything when you're feeling heightened emotions is never a good thing. But after stewing for a while, probably, yeah. I know that I can at least make my money back since I have some 'grail' pins for people who collect human Al stuff.
>>4033793Let’s just hope it doesn’t come to that
Strange request:Does anyone have any tasteful old man Alastor? I love how SilentZound draws older Al, but it's nearly impossible to find any of her art that doesn't have that other guy in it.
>>4033825I dont think ive ever seen an 'old man Alastor', am very sorry.
>>4033828Like this! Cropped of course, it's a rare deer variation and I'm trying to build a folder.
>>4033825>that doesn't have that other guy in it.kekAlso no, I think I only see older Al in MM content, but I'll keep an eye out for solo or at least try to cut the other guy out
>>4033836It's unfortunate! My attraction, when I feel it, doesn't care for age apparently. It seems to be the rarest of deer outside of MM.
>>4033787This has been my position all along, no point in doomering until we know what we’re dealing with. Having low expectations is par for the course, but there’s no point in being miserable for months thinking about it.>>4033792This, I’ll be sad to see everyone disappear. We’ve had a lot of fun times on /deer/.>>4033825I haven’t seen anything outside of MM, I guess no one else really considered an AU where Alastor lives into old age. That would be really fun to write. (I do not need to start another fic I do not need to start another fic)
>>4033777Moment of honesty time. I have detached myself from male Alastor because of this and haven’t even posted here in a long time. I don’t even look at regular Alastor and radiostatic art and only consume genderbent Alastor and radiostatic yuri and radiorose yuri at this point. I know it sounds strange but it’s helped me cope because even if they ruin him in the show they can’t take that version from me since Viv does not care about women or femslash and neither does the radioapple community I never have to worry about female Alastor being ruined by her. I hope for everyone else here it doesn’t happen but I know myself and I would be very upset by it so it’s better for me this way.
>>4033884There's a surprising amount of older Al in MM, but I think that has to do with the fact that Al would canonically be a decade older than Vox. According to Viv's audition sheets Alastor was in his 40s when he died in the early 30s and Vox died in his 50s during the 50s. Of course none of that makes sense with the visuals or storyline since, Vox looks like he died in the 80s and Al is described as 'young', but Viv is Viv. I like older guys and it would have been interesting to see if he mellowed out any or just became bitter.>>4033939>if they ruin him in the show they can’t take that version from meWell yeah, this but with his original design. At this point it's an OC and the rest of the fandom just calls it 'BlackGryph0n's AU', which is silly because everyone drew him that way because, well, Viv did lol. Either way, he can be his own thing in that way.
>>4033952That’d why I liked the moustache, it made him look older. I’d love a proper character guide so we know for sure how old everyone was supposed to be when they died. It would be much better than using cobbled together bits of old lore that may not be canon anymore. Though it would probably cause more shipping drama, like the ones who say Huskerdust has a problematic age gap when in real terms, Husk and Angel were probably born around the same time, Husk just lived longer. You can’t win in this fandom, I swear. I can’t see Alastor living to die of old age, I don’t think he’d enjoy living if he couldn’t enjoy his entertainment. At least he knew that he was going to Hell, and his power was guaranteed down there. I don’t think he would have stuck around for long if he was hit by most of the conditions that come with old age.
>>4033953While I'm indifferent to the mustache, I do agree that it really made him look his age if 40s was what she was shooting for. I feel like him being a bit older also works better from a narrative perspective, as a young man probably wouldn't be questioning whether or not he'd die and go to Hell in the near future. That's some middle aged 'oh shit, I'm actually mortal' behavior. Plus I doubt a young Creole man could just burst on the radio scene and get famous overnight. Shipping will be a pain no matter who it's done with. That said, we're in an age where people will be called pedophilic if they're shipping 20 and 50 year olds together because age gaps are incredibly taboo nowadays. Which is stupid because this is fictional people we're talking about. It's apparently serious business, heh.With Alastor I think aging would't be something he'd be willing to tolerate, at least if it got to the point where he was unable to do the things he loved. Unlike the rest of us, he knew exactly what awaited him, so there wasn't much need to postpone the inevitable. I can imagine him playing up a suicide just for one last hurrah, he'd probably find the grieving public especially entertaining as they waffled on about what a good person he was and how important he was for the community.
>>4033960Yes, it does make more sense for him to be a bit older. If he died below the age of 30 then idk when he would have had time to sleep, what with all the becoming a radio star, murdering, demon summoning rituals, and dancing with Mimzy all night. While Alastor isn’t exactly known for self care, there’s a limit to what the human body can do.After thinking about it I kind of made myself sad thinking about Alastor getting dementia or something… I was a carer at one point for a couple of years, and there’s no way Alastor would cope well with something like that. That said, it’s provided a good ending to the human Radiotrio fic that’s been writing itself in my head since this morning. I can see him killing himself, and letting everyone know about his crimes for the lulz. Especially once his mother was dead, and there was no one else he cared for like that to be hurt by it. I think he would like the notoriety.
>>4033964I can see him killing himself if he got caught and didn't want to face the repercussions of his actions, but also if he felt like he was starting to 'slip' from old age, physically or mentally. For a man who hates being vulnerable, being old would be an absolute nightmare. I'm not sure if he'd find it more entertaining to reveal his crimes or not. On one hand he'd probably eat up the notoriety, but on the other I don't think he'd want anything bad to be reflected on his mother for raising a 'monster'. He might find it funny if everyone held him up as a pilar of the community, especially if in today's hyper-racially conscious word he'd be lauded as a 'black radio pioneer' or something patronizing like that.
>>4033970I was thinking about the finale song where he doesn’t want to be remembered as an altruist, but I can see him finding it funny if he was remembered on Earth as a good person and someone to look up to. He knew that death wasn’t the end then after all, while Adam definitely could have ended him for real. It would be kind of funny if he met a fan down in Hell who wondered why he was down there, and he educated them on all his crimes.
>>4033974He probably compartmentalized his life on Earth, whereas in Hell he could live up to all of his Radio Demon glory. That brings me to another thought. I wonder if the hunter who shot him told anyone, or if he just rolled both bodies out into the bayou. It's not like he would have gotten caught. Could Al have been a 'missing person'? Imagine people out searching for New Orlean's most beloved host, never to find him. I wonder if they would have found his kill shack and tied it to him.
>>4033976What if they found him with the other body, and assumed he was a victim. I mean, he wasn’t exactly killed in the same way, but after being savaged by dogs, would they even have been able to tell in the 1930s? I think it would amuse him to think that they were on a wild goose chase, looking for a killer but not realising that he was already dead.
>>4033978I think it would depend on a few factors, namely if they found him a while after his death. With 1930s forensics it's doubtful that they'd be able to identify the exact cause of death from a decomposed corpse. It's a very good possibility that they'd might have put him down as a victim of a vicious killer.
>>4033987I bet would still be talked about, featured on many true crime podcasts and YouTube channels. One of the most vicious serial killers in history, whose last victim was a popular radio star before he disappeared forever, leaving behind a shack full of dead bodies and ritual supplies.
The deers are getting frisky again…
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>>4034130Deer on Deer violence!
>>4034130I was just about to post those! Lovely deer on deer
>>4034135I opened up twitter and it was right there… I also found a new yume doujin. Hopefully they will make it available for mail order. https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/143863554
>>4034136I like their goat OC It seems very cute!
>>4034153Yes, its cute. I keep meaning to work on my own yumesona, I need to find someone to commission since I can’t draw lel. Everyone is so creative.
>>4034157The pain of not being able to draw good, or course one could practice, but that’s if you got the time!
>>4034158It’s hard… I might try and generate something with AI, not that I could show anyone since AI is the ultimate evil or whatever. I don’t have time to practice drawing right now, just writing is hard enough. I’m still only about halfway done with my hoof care chapter…
>>4034136Nice, I love supporting other yumes. Ah, my yumesona is painfully basic, I need to elaborate on Millie a bit.
>>4034181That you do! Also cute cute CUTE baby deer.
>>4034181If they do put it up for mail order I’ll probably get it. I have some ideas for mine and I think everything is plausible, if a little wacky. Though I guess that kind of works in the Hellaverse. >>4034259Why is he shaking, give him a hug.
>>4034235The cutest! >>4034297We'd definitely love to see what you come up with.>Human Al standeeKino.
>>4034297The biggest hug, think it’s because it’s his yearly bath>>4034353Lil deers and fawns are always adorable
>>4034353I thought of making her an archaeologist, I was going to study Egyptology at one point, and it’s something I’ve been interested in since I was a kid. I would have had more chance doing that in the 1920s than what I actually ended up studying for sure. She dies in a tomb collapse, and so her sinner form looks like a mummy. >>4034357Hug him in the bath, we don’t want him to be too uncomfortable.
>>4034366thats a good little plot nugget!>hug him in the bathsharing the bath WITH the deer!
>>4034489Give him a splash.
>>4034490Will do!
I love it when the postman brings me deer merch… they’re acrylic cards from the smile base cafe merch. Oh, and it looks like the Valentine’s merch is finally starting to ship, which is good. I’m still salty about the new promo card being a con exclusive, I don’t really want it in cracked ice.
>>4034366>Egyptologist Based! I was really into it when I was younger. I had one of those 'Teach Yourself' books on Egyptian hieroglyphics, which is useless unless you learn the language lol, but fun to use to write your name. I'd love to see her at some point. >>4034624Nice! I was briefly considering going, but it was just a little too soon, since I only found out about it a week ago. Hauling a toddler across the country last minute isn't particularly fun. A little of people have opinions on the card. I can give me a bit later today, but on the physical aspect the cracked ice looks a little crummy with Al's teeth.
>>4034625>a lot of people have opinions.Weird autocorrect.
>>4034625I’ve been obsessed since I was about 8 years old, I also had a book about learning hieroglyphs and I did want to learn the language since I was always good at languages, but yeah, it’s not exactly the easiest thing to get into for obvious reasons. I might see about getting some art comms after my exams as a treat to myself.Haha I looked up flights as a bit of a joke, it actually wasn’t as much as I thought. My passport is nearly expired though so there’s no chance of me going anywhere. I like the card, it’s funny that Al is scamming everyone. I don’t want to start a ship war but I don’t see how it confirms RA or whatever. It annoys me that it’s only available at that one event though, as a numbered promo I don’t agree with that. By all means have some exclusive merch, but they should know by now how these cards get scalped, especially after the Gravity card at NYCC. At least the Vox promo is going to be available on the official site, though you have to buy it as part of the box. I totally agree about the appearance, some of the cards just work better in regular foil, and I think this will be one of them.
>>4034635>>4034625Egypt was a big thing for me as well. That and the titanic…>>4034624Could try making it yourself? Probably would be cheaper then buying it second hand.
>>4034673It was my first obsession, still going strong. I never got into the Titanic, but I know there’s lots of cool lore around it. I wonder what Alastor would have thought about it.I have no clue where to start when it comes to making things like that, I’d maybe buy a fake. Or just suck it up and buy from a scalper, or see if I can trade. I do have a few spare promos, though I suspect I’ll be hampered as always by a lack of access to mercari.
>>4034677Probably about the same as the Hindenburg or the stock market crash! Would be good to start looking by into it just thin laminate and the paper, and you get something similar, I would think. Never made anything like that.
>>4034635We'd love to see them here for sure. I've never gotten a com before, but I've considered it.I'd rather save my money and go to Infernofest where it's 100% HH/HB. Not sure if I'll go to the UK or US one, since Atlanta is very doable for me. The only issue is that we'd like to be in Spain to see the eclipse, so Glasgow is the better possibility. On the topic of RA and the card, yeah, I don't see it at all. Husk is dealing a poker (?) game and he dealt the winning hand to Al (purposefully?). Husk is looking at Al who's looking at Lucifer smugly. Angel Isn't looking anywhere in particular and Lucifer is looking at Husk who's celebrating Al's win. It's not even giving Huskerdust vibes desu, it's more reminiscent of folk stories about the Devil getting tricked by a bad hand in a card game in exchange for someone's soul or power. Which makes sense because that's how Husk lost his soul to Al. I get no ship vibes at all for any character. RAs are really, REALLY reaching.
>>4033976There's no way Alastor wasn't figured out as the Bayou Butcher. That hunter probably told the cops when he saw the body Al was carrying, and he could have easily spun the story as him being the hero who shot the killer. The cops would have ID'd Alastor quickly as the local celebrity, and he'd be a true crime story in history. But let's say that the hunter kept quiet and shoved the bodies in the swamp and ran. Somebody would eventually find the murder cabin filled with half-eaten corpses and realized the cabin belonged to the missing radio star, who most likely fled town and would now be the center of the biggest man hunt in The South. All these comics depict Alastor as some kind of homicidal mastermind like Dexter but in reality the dude was a very sloppy killer who was really lucky until he wasn't. If anything, the TV guy was the better serial killer, because he had a really high body count spread over decades and was never caught.
>>4034825>the TV guy was the better serial killer
>>4034771Alastor reading up on natural and man-made disasters for entertainment… imagine if he had to report on something serious on the radio while trying not to laugh. Idk if I could make something like that but people seem to… >>4034795Ship discourse where there shouldn’t be any is very tiring, characters being on the same piece of merch doesn’t mean they’re going to get together in the show. It’s a con in Las Vegas, it’s a pretty obvious scene to put on the card. Husk and Angel are both associated with casinos in the show. Alastor looking smug while scamming Lucifer out of all his money is pretty in character, Alastor would absolutely rig it in his favour and Lucifer is hotheaded enough to fall for it. If people want to pretend it’s a Huskerdust/RA double date then whatever. I care more about the fact that the dumb card is already selling for more than $500. I just want to own Alastor’s stupid glittery teeth.>>4034825Alastor could kind of get away with being sloppy, forensic techniques were pretty rudimentary in the 1930s. While dying the day after was probably bad luck, once he made his deal it probably didn’t matter as much anyway since he knew he would be able to carry on when he died. Being caught would have meant death, anyway. If he was implicated, I bet there would be a whole lot of discourse today over whether he was only tied to it because of his race, and because it was convenient.
>>4034836A lot of convention exclusives are selling for crazy amounts. I suppose I'll go to whatever con comes up next if I'm in the States, because the card plus whatever RA/RS fan pins were sold would have easily paid for the trip, even without selling at ridiculous scalper prices. Besides, I could always trade for more interesting things rather than selling.
>>4034908 I’d happily pay for tickets, I think lvlup is $100 for 3 days, I would pay that plus however much the merch costs quite happily. The cheapest one on eBay now is like £430. Ugh. They’re never going to do anything like that in Europe, it’s so frustrating.
Apparently it’s national deer day today!
>>4034931That’s every day in my house. Happy national deer day!
>>4034836Certainly would be something, he would be one of watching the old plane crashing footage as well!>>4034832Apparently no one in hell dos anything besides serial killing, it’s very strange Vivze canon nonsense
>>4034932As it should be!
>>4034929They may. Viv does go to cons in Canada and Puerto Rico, which isn't Europe, but does mean she's broadening her horizons some. Even still I doubt we'll have anything with exclusive merch. It's really unfair for non burgers who want to collect. It's like she's playing into the scalpers market.>>4034931Happy deer day!>>4034933Very creative, God forbid we have characters who are in Hell for any other reason.
>>4034933Alastor would watch it and be mad when there are survivors.>>4034936I know the VAs sometimes go to MCM in London, several European artists sell merch at Dokomi in Germany, somewhere central like that would draw loads of fans. I just don’t want the promos to be con exclusive full stop. It doesn’t even benefit Amazon or A24 or Viv herself, only scalpers. Some merch is fine, print T-shirts or posters or something like that. (I’ll stop bitching about it I promise lel, I just can’t believe how expensive it is. I thought Good to be Back on the Air was going to be the hardest to get…)
>>4034946I agree, I understand having con exclusive merch like pins or t-shirts, but doing cards is a little shitty. I hope the smaller European fan cons pick up momentum the way Bronycon did, it would be nice to have larger dedicated Hazbin conventions. >>4034933>plane crashMy batshit self did a 9/11 c.ai AU to see what he'd do. I had him doing ad reads for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th story of the North Tower, very unfortunate that he went to pick up his script that day. It was very entertaining until it got hot. He shamelessly trampled a few people and ended up dangling from a window. He got religious really quickly and asked for forgiveness for his sins, probably in exchange for escaping unharmed of course. In true Al fashion he didn't want to let chance decide his fate, and jumped. It was mildly humorous seeing how smug and entertained he was until it was happening to him.
>>4034968It just feels bad to get literally nothing. We just pay more for everyone else’s exclusive merch. >c.ai AUThat’s a different one, kek. Mine have been kind of uninspired, I keep defaulting to a few long running ones I have.
>>4034973It is very annoying when you have people selling $20 pins for $100 on Mercari, I understand selling for $35 or $40, but $100? Fuck that.>c.aiI just keep waiting to be flagged as a minor like everyone keeps complaining about. I'm not comfortable giving my face to these companies, so it's a worry. Sometimes I'll do novel historical AUs just to see his reaction. Most of the time he enjoys the chaos until it touches him personally, then it's a tragedy ofc. I haven't done any other noteworthy RPs lately, I did older Al, but that's still pretty vanilla.
>>4034977This is my thing with the card. It costs $10, how can you justify immediately selling it for 50 times as much? Real scummy behaviour. I don’t mind paying a bit extra, I mean someone has to spend a few hours of their day in a line for you, it’s fair enough to pay a bit over the odds. If I ever sell my Japanese merch it will be over the original price, since I had to pay tenso fees and ems shipping. I would feel too guilty to scalp it though. I keep getting really random bot suggestions with really bad intros, they make me laugh. There was one where Alastor was some kind of daddy dom and he calls you kitten, and it was so ooc and awful.
>>4034978Same. If I end up selling based on how S3 goes I'll have to sell for higher than retail so I'll make my money back, but I wouldn't feel right asking for crazy amounts.I rarely use other people's bots since they're usually *really* OOC. I have tried a few where instead of summoning Rosie he summons {user}, but they often end up frustrating from a yume perspective because they're written for him being aromantic or whatever.
>>4034968>9/11 c.ai AUSeems kino even though it’s also the stupidest/ craziest concept ive ever had the pleasure of imagining.
>>4034980I was just interested… sometimes I look and see what other people have come up with because it gives me ideas, but they’ve all been so terrible. I don’t know how any true Alastor fan can interact with them. Btw in case you guys didn’t see, at the Hazbin panel they confirmed season 5 is happening and it’ll be the final season. Also Amir kissed Brandon Rogers so I guess there will be a bunch of random art of Alastor and Blitzo or Katie Killjoy coming I guess.
>>4034983It was an absolute schizophrenic self indulgence, but it was kino. I would say deer abuse, but that was more like total deer suffering. My character was his wife, he thought of me, which was sweet. The Pix ai's interpretation is fucking metal though. I guess that's his mangled body and he's a ghost now. RIP. I should do Titanic. >>4034999I think there's a lot of ESLs because some of the intros are just...yeah. Like I get where they were going, but it seems like it was written by a child, and that's coming from someone who has typos nearly every post.I heard about the kiss. I'm not really sure why they thought that was a good idea, but great. I'm glad we got confirmation for the next few seasons. Another three years of deer is good (if he's well written).
>>4035009>picOh wow, that’s crazy. When you could first generate images with c.ai, I tried it with one of my gory rps thinking it would focus on a nicer part, but it tried to do the gore and it was really weird. I can’t find any of the images in my gallery so I guess it must have deleted them along the way.>why they thought that was a good ideaAttention seeking probably. They were ‘arguing’ beforehand. Idk, I was half asleep while watching it, work was tiring yesterday. It’s good that Viv has her 5th season, I’m not really surprised since she already talked about it so much. I doubt she would do that unless they were already seriously talking about it. And Hazbin has a definite end, so it won’t be drawn out forever. I’m also cautiously intrigued by Zoophobia. Everyone seems to be reducing the price of the cards on eBay, there’s a few around £250 which is much more manageable, and less I could have paid for last minute international air travel to attend the con myself money.
>>4035086The image generator is sometimes really great, but sometimes really shit, it varies wildly. I'm genuinely surprised that it generates what it does.I saw a video of it. It's straight attention seeking and kind of weird. I'm assuming it was Brandon's idea, I find him to be incredibly annoying. Maybe that's mean of me, bug he comes across as the kind of guy who inserts himself into everything if he's not the center of attention. I wonder if we'll get a Zoophobia rendition of Al...
>>4035009The image generation is getting better, dunno if that’s good or not
>>4035227I feel the same about Brandon, the joke about him not being invited into the Hazbin panel was kind of funny maybe once, now it’s boring. That’s what I thought with Zoophobia, I wonder if there would be any problems with copyright, though Zoophobia!Al is a pretty different character. It would be cool to see him even if it’s just a cameo.
>>4035228Could be good if it would generate spicy stuff...>>4035229The joke is definitely stale. I feel like Viv has all of these people who just sort of hang on to her without contributing much. Amir has a hard enough time keeping his mouth shut, the last thing he needs is someone egging him on. With Zoophobia I'm interested, but skeptical. Viv doesn't have a good track record in my opinion, but at least if will get rid of those retards who blur Hazbin lore with it. I recall them sperging about how Al was always meant to be black because he had a scrapped sister character in Zoophobia who was latina or something.
>>4035230It would be interesting to see Zoophobia Al as a separate entity (one more deer for the harem), he’s changed so much as a character since then. Though she might choose to omit anything related to characters that she adapted into Hazbin. It being a mini-series might work better, I’ve never read it but from what I’ve heard about it, it’s a bit all over the place.
>>4035242I read a little bit back in 2019 and I wasn't impressed. We'll see. If she learned any lessons from Hazbin it should be better.
>>4035263>>4035242She hasn’t unfortunately, and if she did she should have used it on hazbin
>someone gave Amir a radioapple wedding zine and he said “ “SEEING THIS MAKES ME VERY HAPPY, THERE’S SOMETHING COMING THATS GOING TO MAKE YOU VERY HAPPY.”I’m sorry to doomerpost but I hate that my enjoyment of the show is being ruined by Vivzie deciding to force in RA fanservice for no reason even if it’s not canon in the end I don’t even want to watch it anymore if it’s going to be chocked full of yaoislop fanservice scenes for Alastor. I stomached most of S2 because it was all one sided on Vox’s end but seeing Alastor willingly engage in fanservice moments with another man makes me want to drop the show. Sorry to be a whiny bitch but it sucks having something I once loved ruined.
>>4035306Well, that's disappointing. I fucking despise Amir and his constant gay pandering. Does this mean we're doomed to get Alastor coming between Lucifer and Lilith's relationship while leaning towards seducing Lucifer? Just kill me now
>>4035306It’s annoying. It’s Vivze Fujo faggotry. I’ve got my deer and I can ignore how shit the show gets
>>4035309Probably something leaning that way, hopefully it’s something ’smart’ where it’s him tricking Lucifer to get power but God it’s going to feel so forced.
>>4035306Well that's just fucking great. That said, I'm reluctant to take a RA fujo's word for it. I'd have to have on camera evidence for something like this. If that's going to happen I will be incredibly disappointed. Probably full on grief mode.
>>4035306Fujo has the burden of proof. This sounds completely made up. Pics or it didn't happen.
>>4035339A Fujo said it in a twitter post, could just be the voice actor being nice, exaggerating. Didn’t Vivze say season two was going to be sad? It was just sad to watch>>4035338Not good at all. It still won’t drive me off from alastor, but it will hurt
>>4035340Yeah, Amir ship baits all the time. He did similar stuff with Charlastor and then the RS print. Without video proof it sounds like bs honestly, but if it is true it wouldn't be any different than anything he's done before.
>>4035342Him with the painting of pregnant Alastor…
>>4035306They also said he said that they might love him or hate him over it, sounds pretty ship bait-y to me ngl. Especially coming from Amir. Any amount of that will make RA shippers unbearable, sure, but that was always bound to happen unless they lean explicitly into Lucilith or make Alastor’s asexual journey end with him clearly deciding he doesn’t need a romantic partner.
I just want Alastor to stop being used as an empty husk for shipniggery, let him be his own fucking character who doesn't orbit the fucking TV or manlet, for the love of god.
>>4035371Alas the show only cares about jamming as many songs and ship bait into a episode
>>4035371That would be nice. Alastor is far more interesting by himself, and there’s a lot of his character we probably won’t get to see in favour of shipbaiting.>>4035392Season 5 and it’s basically one long song…
if only it where a good song... The pilot was great where it had only a few songs and they fit into the setting, it didnt feel like they had to force a song into the show, it felt like the charcters would do it, like with Charlie singing mournfully and Alastors little show to charm Charlie. so good
>>4035428>>4035414oops! I would also like to state that Alastor kissing Alastor would be hot
>>4035428I mean, I don’t hate the songs, but they’re definitely getting a bit much. You can kind of tell Viv got carried away with all her broadway stars, and trying to make sure everyone has a song.>>4035429That’s ok, that’s common knowledge. <3 Deer on deer kissing is the best.
>>4035531It is what it is at this point. At this point just deer antics would be nice, low risk shorts or something.
which deer is best?
>>4035614Bunny!
>>4035615the best bunny deer boy
>>4035614Bunny is cute. But I’d love any deer that let me do that to his fluffy ears.
>>4035706Pinch his cheeks too! Cute guy can’t escape it!
>>4035825Yes, then grab his tail… gently, of course.
Many MM posters have suddenly stopped tagging their content properly on Tumblr. I thought it was just one individual, but it's multiple now over the course of two days. They just tag #Human Alastor, #Vincent Whittman, so I've had to filter every variation of Vox's name. Now Van Gogh gets filtered from the art blogs I follow. I don't get it, if people have filtered RS/MM they're not going to engage with your art if you try to bypass it. Its annoying. Maybe Murdermedia is considered problematic with the kiddos now so they won't tag properly?
>>4035856>Maybe Murdermedia is considered problematic with the kiddos now so they won't tag properly?I'm into the fandom and haven't seen any discourse about the ship, if anything MM is considered the "safest" version of the ship with no problematic baggage. Could be that tumblr is already really shit with tagging and certain tags are limiting reach for whatever reason? I've also noticed eastern artists tend to be less likely to tag ships
>>4035892Odd. It's probably just younger artists who aren't as familiar with fandom etiquette. It struck me funny because it was a number of artists at once. I try to be very anal about tagging my own stuff because I know it can be upsetting to people who aren't into it. So maybe I just have higher standards.
>>4035856That’s annoying. I’ve had MM muted on twitter for a while now, I found it filters the more irritating fans, but I still see MM art. It’s always been the case, especially when everyone starts reposting Tia’s art. Which is fine because I don’t mind seeing it, but why insist on making all these names for a ship if you’re not going to use them? I’ve never really used tumblr, but surely the more tags you use the better?
>>4035856very annoying, could be ra and mm fags getting into a spat?>>4035892>>4035893>>4035909fandom drama, always fun!
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