Offers 30% off in bid to stave off impending doom>A call to action!>Fantagraphics is in a legal battle (as part of a coalition of a dozen other publishers) that is stressing our ability to publish the world’s greatest cartoonists, as we have done for almost 50 years. >To cut to the chase (pun intended): Fantagraphics is fighting JP Morgan Chase Bank and former Direct Market monopoly Diamond Comics Distributors, who are colluding to steal our books and use the resulting profits towards the cost of Diamond’s bankruptcy. As you may have heard, Diamond Distributors declared bankruptcy on January 14 of this year, which could have smoothed the way for Diamond to continue operating and supplying comics to retailers, but instead caused chaos across the comics landscape, from retailers to publishers. JP Morgan Chase, one of the largest financial institutions in the world and a secured creditor, and their debtor, Diamond, is now trying to legally seize all the books held on consignment and owned by us, and, through the arcane chicanery of bankruptcy law, liquidate them, bypassing any obligation to pay the publishers. In short, we, with our coalition of fellow publishers, are fighting this transparent piracy in the courts. As if that weren’t bad enough, the latest legal incarnation of Diamond has been selling our books to retailers ever since their purchase on May 16 and not paying us a penny. 100% of the money retailers have paid them for our books has gone into their pockets, none into ours.https://blog.fantagraphics.com/the-fantagraphics-weve-been-robbed-sale/
>Sadly, having the moral high ground does not diminish the losses we have suffered over the last eight months. We are looking at millions of dollars’ worth of books being unfairly seized and liquidated out from under us — books that our authors have sweated blood to create and that we’ve expended no little love to produce.>This is where you come in.>We’re not looking for a handout! Our website features hundreds of graphic novels and comics and we’re doing a site-wide sale (30% off everything we sell) to help raise money to pay our legal battle and make up to the extent we can for the losses we have suffered. As you know, we believe in the books we publish, and are evangelical advocating for our authors. If you love what Fantagraphics has been doing for the past five decades —our 50th anniversary is next year, folks— whether it’s our championing of comics as a legitimate art form, our defense of creators’ rights, our dedication to finding and supporting humane and insightful artists from all over the world, or our commitment to preserving comics’ vast history, then we could use your help.
>>149992548I fucking hate the rich
>If you’re one of our loyal readers, we ask that you navigate our website and see if there aren’t a few books that you’ve been itching to buy. If you’ve never bought a Fantagraphics book, welcome to the home of artists as varied as Charles M. Schulz, Emil Ferris, Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez, R. Crumb, Carl Barks, Moto Hagio, Guido Crepax, Simon Hanselmann, Laura Pérez, John Kenn Mortensen, Kago, Eleanor Davis, Daniel Clowes, Tommi Parrish, Joe Sacco, Carol Tyler, Jason, Gary Panter, Trina Robbins, Paco Roca, Olivier Schrauwen, Liniers, and many more.>Please visit www.fantagraphics.com to see what we have to offer. We intend to continue to publish the best comics in the world as an entirely independent publisher for another 50 years, and with your help, we will.>For all the retailers who support us and our work: stay tuned, we have deal coming for you too that we’ll announce on Monday, August 25th!
>>149992569Me too. It's all so depressing.
>>149992548>be an individual>steal a book>get prosecuted>be a bank>steal thousands of books>drive the owner of the books into destitution fighting a court caseWhy am I not surprised?
>>149992659The government is literally just the enforcers for the rich elite. They let them get away with murder but the moment someone goes after them in any fashion its hell to pay
>>149992548I bought a few books in the sale, hope it helps
Do they have any cool books with cool art about people fighting and sexy well drawn girls?
I worked in a comic shop for 5 years.Diamond was such a rinky dink company. None of this is surprising.
>>149992941Yeah I pulled the trigger on the Popeye Sundays
>>149992973Yes but not both those things at once>Cool art, people fightingBuz Sawyer, comics by Johnny Ryan and Ben Marra>Sexy well drawn girlsGilbert Hernandez, Richard Sala, Katie Skelly
It's simple>You willingly went into a dying market no one cares about (American comics) and went the indie route because you made it clear that putting queer women of colors voices was more important than catering to the market of men and their sexual desiresTherefore>You must now pay the zionist jewish masters who own your asses all the profit you lost by willfully buying into this shitSimple.
>>149992973>>149993208Dog nobody buys fantagraphics comics to get superhero slop, you're the normie invading the non normie space right now
>>149993764>Marvel>Popeye Omnibus>Donald DuckYour anti normgroid underground indie art graphic novels sir.
>>149992548They shat on Piskor when the accusations first came out.
>>149993057>Gilbert HernandezGilbert's art turned into shit.
>>149992548I sent them a publication query and they never even got back to me. Genuinely have a smirk on my face now. Fuck them.
>>149993962>Siding against corpos benefits witch hunters>Siding against witch hunters benefits corposBeset on all sides.
>>149993208Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot. Fantagraphics puts out everything from Carl Barks duck comics to R. Crumb to Love & Rockets to Megg Mogg & Owl. Them going under would be a fucking disaster for anyone who enjoys comics outside of the Big 2, who incidentally have been a lot more guilty of forcing that shit into their comics because Fantagraphics aren't editors, they're just publishers. They don't dictate the contents of the books they publish at all.
do they have Garfield?
>>149993962Did they really?
>>149994442They are probably more responsible than anyone for his death because they threw out a kneejerk response that they weren't going to work with him anymore, when most of his stuff was published through them
>>149994333No. They have Peanuts, Pogo, Nancy and a lot of the Disney newspaper strips though.
>>149994480May I see this response?
https://smashpages.net/2024/03/26/ed-piskor-gallery-showing-indefinitely-postponed-after-misconduct-allegations/>Both Hip Hop Family Tree and Piskor’s Red Room were published by Fantagraphics. When Smash Pages reached out to the publisher, they shared this statement: “Fantagraphics has no future projects in the works with Ed Piskor.”
>>149994639Meant to quote>>149994540
>>149993962>>149994112>>149994442Lol no they fucking didn't, literally all they said was>Fantagraphics has no future projects in the works with Ed PiskorWhich is true, Ed's Switchblade Shorties was going to be published by Abrams, the accusations torpedoed Ed's six figure contract with Abrams.
>>149994639So they didn't have anything in the works together, ok? Kind of low of you anyway to go down this route here and I say that as a huge Ed fan.
>>149994525don't know Nancy, but i'd fuck Cathywhat about Luann?
>>149994679But this goes against my Israel created culture war witch-hunt
>>149993962>>149994480>>149994639Should be focusing on the losers on Twitter who are still trying to attack anyone defending Ed, anon.
>>149994093>>149994350sametard
>>149995111Wasted trips on a retarded fucking nigger.Keep crying while your A24 of comics basedcore fake indie slop is cannibalized by jews. That anon got out lucky with Gods protection by not working with these jew bastards and I was congratulating him. Go fuck yourself you consumerist corporate tribal troglodyte subhuman incapable of independent thought. Follow your leader and get poised, get an aneurysm, and die shitting yourself in a hospital bed.
>>149995111You wish faggot
>>149994093Whole industry is like that, even if they accept submissions. Id self publish it within a year of querying cause for every failure to reply there’s a chance they’re stealing the concept and passing it on to someone they have a connection with already,
>>149995224>>149995234
>>149995497>seethe so much you claim two people are one>get called out>result to U MADCope
>>149994700The timing makes it obvious they were trying to distance themselves from him when a 'no comment' would have sufficed
>>149994093Your art might have looked too good.
>>149994042He’s pushing 70.
>>149992741communism lost
>>149993208Fuck you faggot they had some good Nancy collections
>>149992569>>149992647>>149992741Just say jews
I could buy some more Donald Duck.
>>149992548good
>>149992548They should have published more good comics. Too much DEI crap in their catalog.
>>149998327>>149997405samefag
>>149993057>>149994042>>149997103Jaime's art still looks great, and his girls are usually sexier (if not more generically pretty), but I'm a 'Beto man because I am also a tit man, myself.
>>149995362why even freaking try to submit it. with kickstarter and the right connections you can self publish and keep all the moolah and cut down on the third party leeches.
>>149994093Hi Guy!
>>149993057>GilbertYou’re just being contrarian
>>149998444People have been conditioned to believe they'll only truly "make it" when given permission by those currently above them, this isn't just a cynical take, for what little it's worth I have anecdotal evidence of showing people self made success stories in various media, they say nothing until within an hour are back to pondering about mainstream approval and collabing with whatever famous celeb.
>>149998465>Anyone who is an artist on 4chan is GuyAnd people wonder why drawfags contribute less and less to this site.
>>149992548I'd buy something here if only their shipping wasn't so extreme.Ah well.
>>149998716Post your masterworks so we have a good laugh.
>>149998803I can't, I'm Guy, why bother posting it if you'll just say I'm some right wing schizo who molests his cousin and has no talent because that's who my idol and teacher John K was too but he grew up in a better time where you could make it big despite being a pedo hack or something.
>>149998865So, now we know why Fantagraphics never answered your emails.
>>149993057seems lame. Any cool shit like this? The French can do it.
>>149998942Oh I'm not that guy, I was just saying it was retarded to call him Guy out of nowhere, but this is a great way to make it clear no one serious about their art should ever post it or post about it even here in 4chan.
>>149998358your mother hahahahahahahahaha
>>149998444>why even freaking try to submit it.You shouldn't You should make something and push for it interdependently. Here's the hard truth, none of these companies would ever have the time to have people just look through stacks and stacks of submissions to just find a possible golden goose. Even when they made money. Let alone now.
>>149997119Enjoy late stage capitalist conditions that are worse the soviet era, bootlicker>>149997317No because that shifts the blame away from the real culprits onto your nonsensical boogeyman
>>149993208don't go full retard
>>149997119Communist justice was also controlled by the elites. They were more efficient at killing their own people in great numbers though.
>>149999036>Here's the hard truth, none of these companies would ever have the time to have people just look through stacks and stacks of submissions to just find a possible golden goose.Good point to bring up, Ryan George (Pitch Meeting) mentioned he actually submitted a script for something but even he admitted it likely will get sat on.I can't remember who else expanded on this sort of thing, but sometimes a company will pay for the right to make something but not produce it because it costs less than production and prevents any competition from profiting.The original creator also usually signs a nondisclosure thing that means they can't even talk clearly about getting fucked after being fucked, in some cases there's even a noncompete clause so if you're dumb enough to sign that after handing over a really good idea you can't use it without ending up in court should you become successful.So there might be all sorts of proposals companies are just sitting on and only the creators know and maybe some close associates.There's all sorts of ways companies have found or invented to make sure they can't really lose even if they can't win.
>>149992548The claim goes something to this effect>Maker gives creations to distributor>Distributor takes material to sell on behalf of maker and sells it>The guy the distributor owes money to says: "I need to get paid first because without my money you guys wouldn't even be able to sell your books at all.">Maker logically says: "But the distributor doesn't even own that stuff! It's mine!">Debtholder essentially shrugs and says: "That's not my problem. It's his job to pay you, but he has to pay me first because I'm the one funding his continued operation. If he doesn't pay me, he doesn't get to pay you, so tough shit."
>>149992647not that depressing
30% off almost makes up for the shitty exchange rate and extortionary shipping costs I have to pay for living in Nowhereistan.
>>149992548Does anyone know if this applies to preorders? Got my eye on The Life and Death of Fritz the Cat. Also indie publishers are important, so hope they pull through
>>150003388It applies to preorders too.
>>149992548Why the hell are so many artists so eager to sign away the rights to their work, and then gripe about the predictable outcomes?
>>150003483Nice, thanks
>>149998444>>149998611Almost no kickstarter campaigns turn a profit. The people saying this either have never made anything or are… actually no, those are the only people saying this. Kill yourself.
>>149999310>No because that shifts the blame away from the real culprits onto your nonsensical boogeymanThat's exactly what *you're* doing though, shifting blame away from the actual culprits while making anyone with more money than you into a boogeyman. The people who do this shit belong to the same ethnic group and have the same religious beliefs.
>>149999310>Enjoy late stage capitalistWe haven't lived under capitalism in 90 years btw
>>149997317>>150003892Sorry to tell you this anon but all the richest people in the world right now aren't jews. Elon Musk and Jeff Bozo can fuck right off. Why defend them? You will literally never have that much money and you were never going to be able to, and they all have no incentive to let you have 1% of the money they do.The rich mentality is to make the line go up. They will force that fucking line to go up until they've sucked society dry. And I'm sorry to tell you this, ANYBODY can have that fucking brain worm. It's not specific to any one group. The common denominator is money.
>>149992548so sad im gonna cri
>>149993208They reprint Pogo, you sick freak.
Thanks for the reminder. Got some shit in my cart before all the good stuff goes out of stock. I wish that they had a tag for single issue comics. Also i really fucking wish the EC collections were in color. That's the only reason Im not buying them. The current Dark Horse reprints have digital recoloring and the Fantagraphics are all black and white so I guess I have to settle for the extremely expensive Taschen books.>>149993021I have the older set that has the black and white strips + Sundays. The Sunday ones are extreme kino. I already have the set but ordered vol 1 and 2.
>>149993208Imagine being this much of a secondary faggot.Fantagraphics carries stuff beyond woke shit. They're like the Criterion Collection. If they had any faggot comics in their product line it was usually being faggot stuff was marketable.
>>149993962>Always wanted to read Red Room>Just found out Piskor killed himself because he got me tood online>He was only like 40What a wimpy faggot. Now I feel bad that I ordered his comics off the sale.
>>150000051Worst of all a creative can sign a bad contract that says they can keep the idea or IP or script to themselves as long as it's continued to be developed. As in, they can just file it in some folder and never touch it but claim they're putting money into pre-pre-production so they never let it go. That's why contracts should have some kind of clause that the rights revert back after x years.
>>150003676This isn't like that. Fantagraphics pays for publishing the comics. They send it to diamond for diamond to distribute it to comic shops and stores.Right now diamond is saying Fantagraphics isn't owed anything for all the comics they sent to Diamond because they are in bankruptcy. They claim the comics are their property even tho they never paid for them. And Fantagraphics can't get the comics back because JP Morgan says it's an asset of Diamond and it needs to be liquidated to pay back debts. Also literally last year in December diamond paid out several bonuses to their top employees, which should have been money given to their debtors.
>>150005906>Imagine being this much of a secondary faggot.I know right, like Fantagraphics supporters who spend money on marked up Marvel Disney slop or jewish queer women of colors stories.>They're like the Criterion CollectionRedditors promoting left wing propaganda to pseudo intellectuals like I said. Nothing of value will be lost. Let's hope Criterion gets fucked over next.
Sneed more.So if Diamond was so shit why didn't anyone ever do anything about it? It's like they all took it. I remember hearing from different ship owners that most of the original titans of comic selling and distribution were all assholes. like they all hoarded comics that would later be trickled into the market. Or that some of them colluded with people from the Overstreet to set the prices of certain Golden Age issues and they would keep buying up more and more warehouses. I had one dude tell me his shop/business almost went bankrupt because he couldn't afford new comics in the 80s anymore because of diamond. Back then he had to drive from San Francisco to Sand Diego or some shit if he wanted to pick up his orders. It's funny because then he said that once he stopped buying new comics he ended up stashing them. And when he got back into selling comics in his shop he basically has this nice nest egg of old comics that now are being sought after in today's marker.
>>149997317Half my favourite cartoonists are Jewish though?
>>150004038Elon musk and Jeff bezos aren't the richest people in the world
>>149992548>Direct Market monopolyNever fucking happened.Fantagraphics has always been run by hipster faggots. They get zero sympathy.
>>149992741that's not even remotely close to truenigga luigi was framed and you know it, someone is covering up a hit, the victim probably had pissed off the biden administration
>>149992564>supporting humane and insightful artistsWhat the fuck is an inhumane artist?
>>150006740>My favorite cartoonist is MexicanForgive me, Lourde.
I'm in.Suggest me some comics. Preferably self contained (not a part 10 volume collection or something)(Sadly, Life and times of Scrooge mcduck v1 is out of stock)
>use this as the sign i should finally buy the book I've been putting off getting>out of stock
>>150006500>So if Diamond was so shit why didn't anyone ever do anything about it? It's like they all took it.DC saw the writing on the wall and dropped them in 2020.>Comics giant DC has ended its 25-year relationship with Diamond Comic Distributors, telling retail customers that future orders will be fulfilled by the newly created Lunar Distribution and UCS Comic Distributors (for periodicals), and Penguin Random House (for graphic novels and collections).
>>150007086Any and all Dan Clowes, Complete Eightball is a good deal.
Alright fuck it i got some MM&O and the fritz preorder
>>150006174>anon spends another lonely summer
>>150007086Yeah Eightball is good.If you like Robert Crumb try Mr. Natural or Fritz the Cat. Fabulous Freak Brothers. The last Popeye set was only 6 volumes and the Sunday colored comics were good.
>>150007118Wasn't that Jim Lee's decision to move DC to Lunar? Also it's kinda weird that Dinsey has so little money that they don't publish Marvel paperbacks/hardcovers and several other companies have been doing it for them now.
>>150007526>Also it's kinda weird that Dinsey has so little money that they don't publish Marvel paperbacks/hardcovers and several other companies have been doing it for them now.It's because Disney is cheap as shit, they could absolutely afford to put some money and effort into a book-market branch of Marvel (like back in the day with Epic), they just don't want to. It's why Alex Ross's Fantastic Four: Full Circle had to be published by Abrams under their Marvel Arts banner instead of Marvel-proper, Marvel can't (or isn't willing to) pay Alex Ross his normal page rate, that's why he only does covers for them right now.Here's what Alex Ross had to say about it a couple years back:>(Marvel) doesn't think they make graphic novels anymore, they think they make 'periodicals' they eventually collect into the collections that eventually go out into bookstores.
>>150007448It's Fall now actually, another lonely Fall, another online argument victory to my name, you midwits just make it too easy.
What kind of France is this?
>>149992569>>149992647>>149997317No, thats big finance companies!
>>150001245Thats the problem. The Publishers now have to ask for the money raised but are second inline after the debtholder.This sounds like a loophole. You dont pay for actual goods and ressources first but money lend.
>>150007625Fall starts in September , retard, just because your mom bought home Halloween decorations doesn’t mean it’s fall.
>>150009399Nope it's pretty damn cold to me already, sorry you live in Arizona or New Mexico with all the other methhead leftists.
>>150008870Why France?
>>150006016>Also literally last year in December diamond paid out several bonuses to their top employees, which should have been money given to their debtors.There was a similar article about the Microsoft CEO getting a raise amidst layoffs and legal issues. We have more transparency than before and yet people are self deluding themselves now more than ever.
>>149992548Good, get fucked Groth.
>>150011005Fantagraphics is more than Groth, dummy.
>>150011029It's his company retard. He founded it, he runs it, it espouses his ethos (boring, poorly drawn and written pretentious slop).
>>150006750Schizo moment
>>150011109>Watching Castor Oyl swindle millions out of the bigwigs on a casino island with the help of his magic whiffle bird>'Pretentious!!'
>>150011109Then he started a magazine with the purpose of convincing everyone his taste is the only correct one
>>150006770luigi did it because they murdered his mom and they fucked up the case so bad he shouldn't even be on trial. they fucking questioned him while denying him a lawyer and listened into his calls to his lawyers both of these should have been instant dismals with prejudice.
>>150005906I dont think Fantagraphics cares about what's marketable.
>>150000051>but not produce it because it costs less than production and prevents any competition from profiting.That doesnt makes sense. If it is too expensive than why would the competitor produce it? If it is a golden goose and your competitor would make bank, why not produce it by yourself.
>>150012272If you're in the red from previous poor "luck", decisions and staff, in terms of quantity or quality, then you can't attempt things, good or bad, without further inherent risks. Better to just reference, remaster and re-release what you've already done and know has loyal sucker--uh fans supporting it and gain guaranteed returns if not profits until whatever you can (but more likely nepotism: want) to do becomes feasible.But if your competition is in the black and have new, possibly better if not as good ideas they're going to end up even more advantaged over time as your offerings stagnate or deteriorate.They you have to deal with all those silly things like reflecting on your choices and learning from your mistakes and listening to the advice of peers who aren't close associates and yes men.But if you can't hatch a golden egg, if you can keep it from everyone else then even at your worst no one else can do any better. And if you go down from it the rest go down with you. Sense is not an evolutionary function of spite.
>>150012214I meant they had fag content BEFORE it was marketable.
Maybe if they’d put out a good book in the last 25 years they wouldn’t be having this problem. Good riddance.
>>150014887Please, do tell us some comics you like.
>buncha silver spoon havin' motherfuckers
>>149993208Log off once in a while, your brain has been melted by the internet
>>150015200I did, I asked a girl out and she called police over to beat me, after they left a ghetto black woman walked up to me and spit on me then made me dance for her and called me tickle tipson, before a jew gave me a nickel but it was the old nickel on a string trick and he pulled it away from me. I called a cab home after being humiliated but the driver was Indian and we crashed. The west has fallen and women and minorities won.
Total /co/cksucker Death
>>150013252Doesnt makes sense. Tanking big budgets constantly but dont risk a golden goose? Than the project isnt a golden goose. So all those pitches are crap or they would make them.>competitor in the blackThat only might be valid for pre-2000. why would you send a pitch to not the big house that was Warner or Disney?It all doesnt makes sense and i dont see any proof for that. I guess that all those pitches are crap and a big gamble.
>>149992548>How do Accounts Payable in Bankruptcy work?Think someone at Fantagraphics would know that by now.
>>150015352K.
>>149992564>>149992548Where the hell is Thinking Critical and usual gaggle of right wing comic book talking heads talking about this shit?
>>150017090What would they say?>Gloat over Fantagraphics' hardships because Gary Groth and some of their published creators are leftiesBut Fantagraphics also publish a lot of classic comics their audience probably likes, so if they go under the availability of those comics is in question. Not worth angering your audience over.>Talk about how scummy JP Morgan and Diamond areThen get accused of supporting the aforementioned lefties. It's lose-lose for them.
>>149993962They shat James Harvey when his ex wife #MeToo'ed him tooThey edited some of the Carl Barks Duck collections but that was probably Disney forcing them to do it
>>149992548Go back to publishing furry erotic comics, Gary
>>150017792It was definitely Disney- the people editing the Disney stuff always preferred the approach of "keep it the same but add a disclaimer", having to outright edit the comics is a Disney order
>>150009270This is the standard precedence in Bankruptcy. There is nothing unusual going on, but Groth is mad because this time he's down in the pecking order.
>>149999310>Enjoy late stage capitalist conditions that are worse the soviet era, bootlickerZoom Zoom
>>150015687You are the quintessential /co/cksucker.
