How bad did Sony fuck this up?
>>150093506>sells entire ip, which includes merch>sells rights to music as wellat least they might have a bargaining chip with netflix to renegotiate things since only Sony can make the sequels according to the contract, but it's a massive massive fumble to already miss out on all the profits of the first movie
At least they still own all of these great franchises
>>150093506Why didn't Sony even retain any rights to the ip instead of selling the whole thing? Their other straight to netflix movies, they still retained ip rights
>>150093506>K Flop Demon HuntersThey didn't miss out on much
>>150093585>flopbait
>>150093585Are you living under a rock?
>>150093551Who's that cute gmilf
>>150093506should've had more diversity hiring in the execs so one could've recognised that a kpop film aimed at women could've been good enough to at least keep the ip.
KDH ramyuns are going to be real now!
>>150093551>still waiting on Cloudy 3
zoey
>>150093609Van Helsing daughter.
>>150093551I thought Vivo was also a Netflix exclusive
>>150093585Bro Netflix fucking won
Can someone explain to me what Sony did wrong here?
>>150093506How would they fair in the bed room?
>>150093805They do everything together, EVERYTHING.
>>150093772sold the entire ip to netflix for only 20 million in profit. sold the music rights to a non-sony company.
>>150093772>According to Puck’s Matthew Belloni, Sony agreed to a “direct-to-platform” arrangement where Netflix would pay back the film’s production budget plus an additional fee capped at $20 million per project. In exchange, Netflix retained all rights to the property and owes no additional profit participation, even as the film becomes a massive hit. This wasn’t Sony shopping around a finished film; Netflix essentially funded the production while Sony handled the creative work.
>>150093845>>150093859What the fuck were they thinking?
>>150093913It's Sony Pictures, they don't think. They have always been THE movie studio of bad decisions. Remember those leaked emails?
>>150093913>racism>out of touchhttps://www.thepopverse.com/movies-kpop-demon-hunters-sony-pictures-animation-netflix-relationship “We pitched the movie to Sony,” Kang explained in a recent interview. “And they passed on it. It’s a big risk to do a movie with a full Asian cast on something that’s very culturally Korean, which hasn’t been done before. K-pop was at its peak, but it could have plateaued. There was a lot of uncertainty with that. So we pitched it to Netflix. We had a full draft, a couple of demo songs, a ton of amazing art and a couple of scenes that I had [story]boarded that we cut. And there were three different animatics samples that we shared; and they loved it. And then we were off to the races.” However, Netflix couldn’t just take on producing KPop Demon Hunters immediately. Both Kang and Appelhans were Sony employees, so it became “a different kind of relationship,” according to Kang. “The creative was primarily at Sony Pictures Animation and then Netflix was the distribution and investor in a way,” Appelhans said. “They footed the bill and they gave notes, but the core team was Sony.”>>150093628
>>150094014>We had a full draft, a couple of demo songs, a ton of amazing art and a couple of scenes that I had [story]boarded that we cut. And there were three different animatics samples that we shared; and they loved it. And then we were off to the races.”Sony saw this and still passed on it.>>150093962is completely right
>>150093506Do you honestly believe Kpop demon hunters would do well at the box office? Sony has no distribution platform.
>>150094124might have spread through word of mouth and the 90+ rotten tomatoes score
>>15009413697% fresh.Also there's funko pops coming.Sony isn't earning any of it
>>150093715>Taking gold in the special olympics
>>150094124It legitimately made millions and millions of dollars for the last weekend. It was in the box office they were sold out shows everywhere.
>>150093506I still don’t understand the hype
>>150093585>FlopYou know that word has an actual definition that isn't just "thing I don't like 'cause women", right?
>>150093651Do people want to plow them?
>>150093715I bet you believe NeZha 2 was also a super popular and successful movie
>>150094014>It’s a big risk to do a movie with a full Asian cast on something that’s very culturally Korean, which hasn’t been done before.If it was all fat niggers you just know this shit would have had a billion dollar marketing campaign.
>>150094264People want to plow everything
>Boys like hot girls >Girls like hot guys>Both like catchy songs >People generally like fun action >People like actual romance>Anime and Kpop are very popular >The villain is an actual villain and threateningHOLY SHITm WHO WOULD'VE THUNK ALL THESE THINGS DONE WELL WOULD MAKE A SUCCESSFUL MOVIE!?
>>150094572not Sony even though they got to see a draft script and song demos
>>150094572eh the girls aren't very hot. zoey is cute but none of them are sexy or anything. they're rail thin and flat. unironically i feel like they were designed to appeal to girls as "cool" more than appeal to boys with sex appeal.
>>150094202Yes. After the Netflix success. I like Kpop Demon Hunters. I love the Spiderverse films. Had Kpop debuted in theaters rather then streaming I don't think I would have seen. It's biggest advantage is being higher quality than the usual slop thrown onto the Netflix platform.
>>150094733Anon, it's time to tell you the truth: "thicc" was just a meme, no one actually likes fat women
>>150094813different strokes i guess. i think women look objectively better when they're chubby but rail thin women have never done anything for me anyways. i can't personally see these characters as having sex appeal but i'm not crazy into asian women to begin with.
>>150094733All bodies are beautiful, anon. Except mine.
>>150094733Yes the guys a beef cake but the girls are sticc bugs, girls need more vava voom
>>150094813Meanwhile Squirrel Girl looks extra thicc in the Chinese coomer game.
>>150095287i think it's just the total lack of curves with the kpop demon hunter ladies that turns me off. i'm not going to act like being skinny would be a turn off for me irl, but with fictional idealized women generally you want SOME curves. cause they're not real and can have flawless perfect bodies with none of the flaws that can come with extra weight irl.
>>150095428>he total lack of curves with the kpop demon hunter ladiesare you blind
>>150095481no? they're very skinny. like i said though i've never been into the kpop asian idol look so maybe they're hot to people into that. zoey has a cute face/expressions though.
>>150095428most Kpop fans are female and lead characters in stuff made by and for women tend to have few to no curves. I have never seen a shoujo manga where the MC is curvy
>>150095428even worse, they dress like plus-sized women for some reason. eradicate high-waisted shit
>>150093715Half-right and half-wrong. It beat Red Notice on the first 90 days of streaming views list. It still hasn't beat Red Notice on overall views it's gained after that time (371.53m as of Aug 26). People need to report this properly but they are too eager to glaze Kpop Demon Hunters to get the facts straight.
>>150095552>I have never seen a shoujo mangaNo shit, Sherlock, it's a genre for teenagers. Romance manga for women look different.
>>150095748shounen is for teenagers too and has endless curvy women. japanese women are skinny on average so maybe it's easier for them to self insert if the protag is skinny.
>>150094733Faggot
>>150095765>teen boys have no problem fantasizing about being a big muscleman>teen girls can't fantasize about being a cow titty bimbofemale imagination is so limited
they have kpop bodieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32si5cfrCNc
>>150095787i literally said zoey is cute. i just don't have a carnal lust to plap her like a character with curves.
>>150093551At least with Hotel Transylvania if Prime numbers were anything to go by during the last movie people still care enough to get it to like the #1 spot for them for a bit. Thats still 1/4 for them but it aint zero
>>150095481When he says curves he means morbidly obeseLike how when people talk about that bara thing they mean fat people
Zoey pegging futa Rumi would be so hot
>>150096219curves just implies a woman has hips, thighs, ass, and boobs. the kpop demon hunter girls are model stick thin. curvey fictional characters are gaining popularity in asia too so it's bizarre that you're so asshurt about someone preferring a woman have some meat on her bones.
>>150094320It technically was but nowhere near the extent the bugmen want you to believe and it has no real influence beyond that particular demographic.
>>150094733>>150094813Eh, I like sticc and thicc
Sony is like the guy who paid for two pizzas with bitcoin when it was worthless
>>150097861Look the ai algorithm said that it was only going to make $15 million at the box office
>>150098098>15 million after being available online for 2 months
Is Amy Pascal still employed at Sony?
>>150094164>Funko pops Who keeps buying this garbage?
7.4k fan fictions written Bruh
>>150099790Oh it's got a FANDOM fandom now, yeah this shit's gonna print money for the next 20 years.
Even worse case scenario where KDH bombed at the box office it would've been a hit in Korea and eventually gotten popular on Netflix 3 months after theatrical window. Same fandom would've developed just slower after the stigma of "box office bomb" then it would've slowly gained popular, the songs were inevitably going to be hits then 3 years later KDH 2 would've done bank. Sony were absolutely stupid for not keeping the IP.
>>150095287because Squirrel Girl is made for plapping
>>150094733Mira is plenty hot
>>150093506Pretty badly I'd say.
Bad, but not as bad as it first looks like.They lost all the money for Movie 1. But they have the animation/creative team, and they have control over making a sequel contractually and can renegotiate new terms each time.So, big fumble, but they'll recoup on the next film.
>>150094014>It’s a big risk to do a movie with a full Asian cast on something that’s very culturally Korean, which hasn’t been done before.>meanwhile this is what sony thinks is worth investing into
>>150093506Netflix didn't seem to have much faith in it either, considering how the marketing only picked up after the movie was shown to be popular. It was mainly the cast and crew who did the heavy lifting when it came to initial marketing.
>>150093551They don't own the rights to the spidverse series?
I hate that we'll never know how well KPop Demon Hunters would've performed had it premiered in theaters like originally intended. Or had it remained PG-13
>>150093585>Kpop demon hunter made more money than Nezha 2Lol
>>150103473Honestly things worked out. Had it started in theaters it would have been a Transformers One situation
>>150093845>>150093859Imagine being Sony
>>150103666>Transformers One>really good>focused on the transformers>not getting a sequel
>>150103666Maybe it could've been a Puss In Boots or Elemental situation where it legged out a lot. It has a musical component that makes it good for rewatching
>>150103747WAITER! MORE BAYSLOP PLEASE!
>>150103747Look I know, it fucking hurts, man. Marketing killed that fucking thing. I'll even admit, I thought it was going to be shlock, but god damn there was love and care in that fucking movie. I wish I would have seen it in theaters
>>150093506this is basically Nickelodeon choosing Fanboy & Chum Chum over Adventure Time all over again
>>150096233>not wanting the futa to do the fuckingOkay
>>150093551they didn't even get sandler back for the fourth one
>>150094572>Boys like hot girlswho do not make as much noise as the characters.>Girls like hot guyswho do not make as much noise as the characters.>Both like catchy songsyou mean pop slop?>People generally like fun actiononly subhuman brainlets do.>People like actual romanceonly subhuman brainlets do.>Anime and Kpop are very popularonly among subhuman brainlets.>The villain is an actual villain and threateningonly to subhuman brainlets who were told this by their favourite youtuber.
>>150104287>you mean pop slop?pop slop has always been popular it's not an issue of if it's good or not
What if this but the Beatles?As in the Beatles are secret slayers of demons in the name of the Anglican Church, and that's why John said they're bigger than Jesus, they travel the seas slaying demons for Queen and Country. But it's in this style. And that's why they went Studio Only, they got this big job to do, and the fakeout drama was just to lure in British Demons disguised as bobbies to the roof of Apple Studios, so named for the Trees of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil that look like Green Fruits.
>>150104474They got employed by the English Church in 1966 after a demon tried to kill Paul McCartney in a car crash, so the Boys were crash coursed in. So first they're like 'we got this 1966 tour to do' and that's why it sucked because demons, but they go for spiritual cleansing with the Guru but meanwhile demons kill Brian Epstein, and they go studio there proper because NOW IT'S PERSONAL, and they learn St. Pepper's Tunes to fight proper and all the late Beatles is just reinterpreted as cover for their new mission in England, before they stop the Demons from big shit in 1968/69 and then retire in 1970 to solo careers, John taking care of the halfling demon he feeds heroin to, Ringo still under the Satanic Immortality he was promised by Belphegor in the White Album produciton but still not letting it corrupt his holy soul to betray the Beatles.
>>150104474Anglicans can't fucking kill demons, they're too weak and they were unable to stop the infestation of the English Royal Family with demonic forces. They'd have to either be Catholic or Orthodox, the only two Churches that have proven to be able to dispel demons with consistency.
>>150104537According to AI Liverpool had Catholics and they went to Germany a lot and they WERE Catholic so... shit maybe. Maybe it's a joint thing with the British Government as Per Vatican II? The Beatles got popular at the same time.
>>150095748You haven't read smut josei.
I really want to buy a book about all the concepts that got cut from the movie. They really had a bunch of material they didn't use.
Whole World Playin Our Song
>>150093506Did you forget Sony set 2 billion dollars on fire for no reason last year with Concord?
>>150105492Maybe Korean girls are the meta rather than Japanese.
>>150105505May I get some context? I'm not that much into /v/ stuff but for what little I saw it was a complete shitshow.
>>150093506B-but what about The Gen Z, Dana Terrace transxisters??? This can't be happening to us, owl house shitters????
It's been years now and I still don't get the Kpop obsession. I don't kneejerk hate it, some of the music can be quite catchy, but I just don't understand the obsession.
>>150105861I bet you can find dozens of YouTube essays or articles about the situation, but to give you the footnotes >Sony invest a shitload of money into new game>New fame is basically an Overwatch Clone years after the apex of the Overwatch fad and after the market for hero shooters has been extremely saturated.>Hero shooter is a genre where 90% of the initial appeal is based on how cool the heroes you are going to play are. Despite this Concord hero roster can be basically described as "what if /Pol/ was in charge of making a bunch of parodies of what they think the average wokie wants">Despite 99% of the competing games being free to play with micro transactions, the game cost 40$ at release.>The game gets announced, instantly gets ridiculed by everyone >Seriously, for one reason or another, everyone think it's shit. >Sony doesn't concede and markets the hell out of it, they even pay for animated short in Secret Level, an Amazon animated anthology about video games.>Game releases. Top player counts on steam is 700 players globally on a game that is absolutely reliant on player base to be playable. >Literally two weeks later Sony concedes defeat. Announce they are closing the servers and refund everyone that bought it. It becomes the biggest flop in videogame history.>A year later they go around saying that it's wasn't actually a loss at all.
>>150106549>>150105861Forgot image
>>150105861Well they made a few rather charming animated shorts with a distinctive and fun art 2D style... and then the game inexplicably looked NOTHING like that and gave us these absolute fucking rejects instead. Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking with this realistic art style?>>150106558
>>150106558the trans character somehow looks better than all of those.
>>150094572The songs are so stupidly catchy, my sister put it on the tv and my fucking dad a near 60 year old man was singing soda pop
You mean giving away what may be the hottest film of the year to Netflix for essentially peanuts?Well, during Covid Netflix offered Sony a deal where for like ten of their movies, Netflix would give them twenty mil. We know it's a terrible deal NOW, but back when it was uncertain if theaters would ever open again, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
>>150093672I love her sm
>>150106549>>Sony doesn't concede and markets the hell out of it, they even pay for animated short in Secret Level, an Amazon animated anthology about video games.>I love they give the black woman caracter hairpit in the animation.>imagine this be a priority in a project.>imagine you put that in your porfolio.>Imagine you spend hours and hours animating armpit hair...what time to be alive.
>>150104474Only if the final villain is Pete Best who was kicked out after being exposed as a demon
>>150107202straight to streaming, i can understandselling the entire ip and all the merch rights and the music rights is straight up stupid
>>150093651What's the difference between ramyun and ramen?
>>150107357kek, it's truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmArJ8kt5TI
>>150107542idk but i think this page explains ithttps://www.koreaherald.com/article/2945663
>>150094495oh my
>>150106602Baz was at least memeable. No one else really hit even that mark.
>>150094572ThisIf my jaded 35yo self loved it I don't see what's wrong with liking it either
>>150106549>>150106558>>150106571What in the goddamn
>>150107357The funniest shit for me is that the short came out after they closed the game. Imagine paying a shit load of money for advertising that only comes out after you stopped selling the product and that has the only effect of reminding people what abysmal failure you just had
>>150107202Reminds me of how the guy who invented the safety pin sold the rights for a pittance.
>>150109634It gets better...the "first new" caracter of the game, debue in the cartoon.
>>150107542They're both the same and derived from the chinese "la mian" which means "pulled noodle"
>>150106549They set anywhere from $100 million to $400 million on fire with this. I don't know where you got the $2 billion number from, but Sony does happen to be developing multiple other live service games with the same leadership ethos they used for Concord, so likely we'll see the smoke from the other $1.6 billion somewhere soon
>>150106558The one on the left doesn't look bad, just utterly unremarkable.
>>150104474They wouldn't slay demons. They'd change them with love like with the Blue Meanies.
>>150095748Otoyomegatari ran in a seinen magazine
>>150109898Kek
>>150109933>I don't know where you got the $2 billion number fromI wasn't the anon that mentioned it, I explicitly avoided to give numbers because there have been a dozen of different estimates. They have absolutely spent a lot, but I have no idea how much.
>>150109963No, it does look bad, it looks REALLY BAD. It gets away with it because the other designs are so much obviously worse. If you know anything about fashion, body proportions, silhouette, colour pallete, or you have any pre-existing cultural notions about aesthetic it's a huge piece of shit. He has a knee length coat on with a bright patterned fabric paired with a discordant mix of utilitarian accessories, military wear, drab kakhis, and randomly assorted jewelry. He looks like he got dressed out of a homeless man's laundry and a child's dress up trunk. His ribcage is huge, his shoulders are narrow, and even a coat that by all accounts with it's shoulder pads and length should be able to compensate for his fucked up silhouette fits so poorly that he still looks like a fucked up ugly American. His sunglasses don't even sit right on his face. His whole getup was designed by a committee of female neckbeards who wear bowties. It's hard to look at, he's just the skinny girl inna group of obese trolls.
