I've heard Transformers are different in Japan; how so?
they speak Japanese
/co/ won't be made until they do a western version of Kiss Players and I mean a genuine version complete with loli and I'm serious
>>150104757From memories, The Autobots and Decepticons come from different planets. JP continued the plot after season 3. The Headmasters were radically different from the Marvel iteration. They didn't shit themselves when Optimus died too.
>>150104792FPBP
>>150104833>won't be madewon't be made GOOD
>>150104757They were sentient robots and didn't have genders.
>>150104792
The main differences: >>While they still both hail from Cybertron, Autobots are called simply called "Cybertrons" while Decepticons are "Destrons". >>Season 1 and 2 were combined and episode order was altered to put any episode with Jetfire/Skyfire near the end of the season as Takara was gunshy about featuring him due to his toy being a Macross figure>>Rumble is Red and Frenzy is blue like the toys >>There are like a half dozen extra episodes on top of the original 65 S1/2 episodes that are Japanese exclusive clip shows which compile several multi-part episodes into a single thirty minute episode. >>In Japan, the wave three combiner teams (Menasor, Bruticus, Defensor, Superion) plus Ultra Magnus, Metroplex, and Trypticon were part of a "mini wave" called Scramble City that ran between waves 2 and 3. Unlike in the US (where it was never mentioned), in Japan Takara made a huge deal about how these four teams (and later other teams using the Scramble City format) had interchangable limb bots as well as how the leader/torso characters had a third mode; a base mode that could connect to Trypticon/Metroplex.>>Season three was rebranded Transformers 2010 and as such, there is now a four year gap between the movie and season three whereas in the US, season three takes place only a couple of months after the movie. >>Because Japan didn't get the Transformers movie until 1989, most of the details from the movie were explained in a monthly kids magazine that had a Transformers manga strip/previews of upcoming episodes. They also got a special OVA video (that was both animated and made as a stop motion action figure video) to explain Metroplex's origin and to further push the Scramble City wave.
>>150105802>>Adding to this, Hasbro did not initially tell Takara about Galvatron being Megatron's upgraded form to Takara because "fuck you that's why". As such, the stop motion version of Scramble City has Galvatron as a unique character who was Trypticon's city commander and early season 3/TF 2010 promotional artwork had Galvatron coexisting alongside Megatron. When Hasbro found out, they squashed this confusion ASAP and Takara rushed out an article in said kid's magazine confirming that Galvatron was an upgraded Megatron. >>Season four (which was just three episodes, the Rebirth trilogy) never aired in Japan & only got released as a subtitled laserdisc. Instead, Japan got "Headmasters"; a 40+ episode series that among other things: rekilled Optimus Prime, exiled Hot Rod/Blurr/Kup, killed and resurrected Soundwave and Blaster as Soundblaster & Twincast, blew up Cybertron and Mars, got rid of Galvatron via burying him under a huge mound of ice, and introduced the idea of the Headmaster heads being tiny Cybertronians who fled their planet to avoid fighting in the war & used giant robot bodies ala mech suits
>>150105808>>Masterforce was a stealth reboot/deboot, featuring an Earth that was more then present day 1988 and featured a brand new cast of Transformers based off the 1988 line and a version of the Headmaster/Powermaster concept using humans and lifeless robot bodies they controlled. Also, Powermaster Optimus Prime was a new lookalike character named Ginrai, Nightbeat was a girl bot named Minerva, there were only seven Pretenders (four good, three bad) and the Autobot ones were human size in pretender mode (which was less of a shell they moved around in and more of a hologram covering). It was also the only season of Transformers with a non-Decepticon big bad (Devil Z; a generic cosmic horror).>>Victory was another stand-alone season but had more overt ties to the previous seasons. It had a ton of new characters who were not released in the US and a clip show every six episodes due to producers needing to stretch their budget. >>Zone was the last cartoon of the G1 era and featured a new cosmic horror villain and all of the Decepticon combiner teams (plus Masterforce villain Overlord) resurrected alongside Optimus Prime's Star Convoy and the Micromasters.
>>150105802>>Rumble is Red and Frenzy is blue like the toysI love how this one mistake has led to countless variations over the years, with some respecting the toy color schemes and others the original cartoon's.
>>150104757Well, there is one strange thing about the back and forth between American and Japanese Transformers media I've noticed, they tend to create new characters by accident based on name changes and failure to understand they were just name changes. Here's one example:G1 had a character named Springer, a triple changer who could turn into a helicopter and a land vehicle, in the American cartoonThe anime Energon reintroduced SpringerDue to a trademark dispute, Springer was renamed Bulkhead in the dubBulkhead later showed up in the American cartoon Animated, where his helicopter mode was presumably removed due to the show insisting Autobots don't have flying abilities and triple changing drives Cybertronians crazyBulkhead later appears in continuities alongside Springer, as if they were ever intended to be seperate charactersWeird, ain't it?
>>150106360that's not really a failure to understand, America is just limited to copywritten names due to a very underhanded, competitive market. It's an use it or lose it situation, so for a long time Hasbro was just slapping whatever names they could get otherwise risk losing them(this is why certain names, like Jetstorm, sideswipe, or Swerve, got used so much for different designs). At one point, Hasbro almost bought up all the Masters of the Universe names because Mattel wasn't using them. Animated Bulkhead was likely not inspired by Energon Bulkhead(although E Bulkhead was one of the designs used as a conceptual experiment to how they'd do a stylized TF line),but the name Bulkhead was available so they could use it for the design(which was probably inspired by Hound). Similar thing happened with Lugnut, who's name was similarly used for a motorcycle named Lugnutz in cybertron.
>>150107642Here's the page from Allspark Almanac talking about that development cycle. They mention E Bulkhead as having no relation to AniamtedAnother thing to remember is that the UT was designed between both the US and Japan, with American designers making the initial plans and designs, with Takara finalizing them. so they would've been aware Bulkhead was a Springer homage since they were the ones to initiate the idea for a green helicopter in the line in the first place.
>>150106360japan assuming america cares about the lore and characters, imagine them finding out about all the lazy name changes later
>>150107790Anon, America came up with most of the names in the first place. The 86 movie was written in America, Springer is an American creation(designed by a Fillipino artist, who I'm guessing was in America at the time since I'm not sure if they'd be outsourcing the design work just to ship the animation to another country on top of that)
>>150106360>the show insisting Autobots don't have flying abilitiesThat's bizarre, doesn't even Optimus fly in the pilot to begin with?
>>150107854Since Wyatt was a big G1 cartoon fan, he insisted on two things from the G1 cartoon; one that the Autobots have blue eyes and the Decepticons have red eyes(with some exception), and the Autobots not having innate flying skills but needing to rely on tooles. sideswipe in the ealrly G1 episodes had a jetpack that Optimus borrowed in the pilot episodes.
Is Transformers actually that popular in Japan?
>>150108244>sideswipe in the ealrly G1 episodes had a jetpack that Optimus borrowed in the pilot episodes.speaking of
>i find it repulsive the whole idea of you fleshies... interfacing EUGHknock out nation how do we defend his humanphobia...............
>>150109285there's something funny about the gayest character in the show being grossed out by humans.
>>150109416>will participate in human culture by going street racing and watching kino at drive in theaters>refuses to socialize with humans themselvesknock out bros...........
>>150109764he really is the best thing to come from Prime. a gem of a character. I kinda just like how catty, self-absorbed and kind of affably evil he is, like a punch clock villain who has a life outside of this villain thing.
man this season really likes its butt shots lol>>150109884he also gets all the witty lines and entertaining episodes to himself tooi appreciate that he's pretty much the only con in the show who does go out of his way to interact with humans in some form even only shown oncei just had a thought he also does some other activities that fuel his vanity like park himself at car shows all day and let people ogle at his vehicle mode or something
>>150105819Dai Atlas was the leader in Zone; Prime returned in the next storyline as did Megatron
>>150104757 If I remember right in the Japanese dub of Prime Arcee and Airachnid were thirsty as fuck for Jack
>>150104757All the cartoons are for young kidsThe JP-exclusive comics are for boomers and westaboosAs it stands currently, there's very little engagement with children on the toy front, but a lot with boomers.
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>>150110711and that design became the basis for Animated Megatron years later
>>150105802>In Japan, the wave three combiner teams (Menasor, Bruticus, Defensor, Superion) plus Ultra Magnus, Metroplex, and Trypticon were part of a "mini wave" called Scramble City that ran between waves 2 and 3. Unlike in the US (where it was never mentioned), in Japan Takara made a huge deal about how these four teams (and later other teams using the Scramble City format) had interchangable limb bots as well as how the leader/torso characters had a third mode; a base mode that could connect to Trypticon/Metroplex.I guess that was just Takara investing back into itselfAll those toys, barring Ultra Magnus, were canceled Diaclone toys
>>150104757Transformers is specifically a little kids show.
I know a lot of the dubs of American Transformers show are more jokey and kiddy. I wonder if there are Transformer fans over there watch the subs instead because they're more faithful to the origanal vision like westerners do with anime.
I am fond of this robot
>>150114325Hirofumi Ichikawa is one japanese fan turned professional transformers fan that prefers how the west handled it better.
>>150104757https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxrN9QZMEJohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyP_9UqdX1o
>>150107790American TF lore is the only thing people care aboutDespite Japanese continuity being fuckhuge to autism levels where every series is interconnected, they rewrite the American shows completely to fit in with theirs, which are baby class comedy animes aimed pretty exclusively at 4 year olds, and Transformers isn't really popular over there with adults at all, its pretty much just a toddler robot thing
>>150112964Wheeljack, put that thing away!
>bring back silas and arachnid just so you can get rid of them in one episodei know it's budget problems but come onhere's to another 2 characters wasted i guess
>>150104757Transformers is like a Rorschach test franchiseThe original G1 Sunbow series and Marvel comics were written like any other western science fiction/superhero series of their time and as such future installments in western Transformers reflected this as those two genres changed in the passing decades (particularly when tacticool became mainstream when Bayformers came around or how Beast Wars fits feels right at home with science-fiction dramas of the time right down to the cast).Pic related's fan art but it highlights what I meanSomeone brought this up on /m/ but despite the lack of lasting violence and death (sans the movie), Sunbow Generation 1 Transformers translated well in JapaneseThe people writing the series weren't influenced whatsoever by Japanese media but in Japanese perspectives it was a lighthearted but aesthetically cool robot anime and as such with future Japanese Transformers installments adopting more conventional super robot tropes.At its core, it's the same material but looked in very different ways
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>>150115373desu still more modest than starscream
>>150116175good lord
>>150117328what's the matter anoncould you be craving hismcseekers
G1 or the franchise?G1 is about the same, but ever since Beast Wars Transformers is treated as disposable kiddy crap with joke-filled gag dubs that destroy any sense of urgency or seriousness.
>>150117712Umm...no?
>>150104757Essentially in Japan, Transformers is basically just a gag show
>>150117727>crap with joke-filled gag dubs that destroy any sense of urgency or seriousness.So like a kid friendly Ghost Stories?
>>150117727Transformers is honestly at it's best when it's kind of goofy.
>>150118834>>150119034https://youtu.be/63fSmC3lM14?list=PL3lb98kB-PsHqreVIGQ6xZRwa2T0UzPT4&t=87
This is Unicorn
>>150109285I wanted so bad to get Tran in the show and have him and knockout compare compliments or insults on their appearances.
>>150119100BWII can be a bit of a slog, but the Destrons help a lot
>>150116494>but in Japanese perspectives it was a lighthearted but aesthetically cool robot animeG1 is. So many goofy plots and characters, a lot of us remember the movie and how we played with toys and forgot that the G1 show was firmly in the crazy af 80s kids cartoon show. TF and GI Joe are seen as more serious properties but their cartoons really weren't serious outside of a couple of episodes
>>150105802>Because Japan didn't get the Transformers movie until 1989, most of the details from the movie were explained in a monthly kids magazine that had a Transformers manga strip/previews of upcoming episodes. They also got a special OVA video (that was both animated and made as a stop motion action figure video) to explain Metroplex's origin and to further push the Scramble City wave.It also meant that while they knew Optimus and Starscream died in the movie, many of the minor deaths like Ironhide Prowl and Wheeljack they didn't know about and thus included them in the Japanese exclusive seasons after their deaths.
>>150104792The localization equivalent of how anime gets treated in the west since forever, because some asshole dub director in Japan wanted to make its own stupid kodomo kids show but was told to direct the japanese dub of an American cartoon (and yes, Transformers is AN AMERICAN CARTOON, animated mostly in Japan, except when it was not, but it still produced and directed by Americans), so he turned this and many other American shows into comedy gagdubs, this, Beast Wars, Animated among shows like X-Men and both 87 and 2000s TMNT (ONLY Xmen got an alternate more accurate japanese dub handled by Disney themselves), the ironic thing is that some of the japanese exclusive Transformer Animes, have a more balanced tone that still a kids show for kids but doesn't feel like a GAGDUB, Headmasters for example feels like an alternate final season of the original G1 cartoon even keeping more or less the tone of the original American show and doesn't follow the gagdub that much, I wonder if a different director was in charge of it, Super God Masterpiece feels much more "average 80s animesque with some awkward comedy" and Victory felt like it sat in the middle of both.Car Robots (Robots in Disguise), felt more in spirit of the G1 and Beast Wars gagdubs, then Japanese Armada feels like just an average show, Japanese Energon seems more serious (but with worse animation due to japanese CGI), the Japanese Cybertron went comedic again, and THEN you had the localizations of those 3 shows which went GAGDUB, FUCK!Shits a Mess, which is a shame because original BeastWars for example feels the most animesque of the series but without going 90s obnoxious bad anime, and we'll, I even say that, for as bad in story it was, Beast Machines was like an attempt to make a serious angsty existential teen anime but accurate to a japanese version instead of a badly localized dub, just not well executed for a sequel to Beast Wars.And then Beast Wars Algo got a gagdub in Japan..........
>>150107854>>150108244The Autobots could inconsistently fly in the pilot, but after that it was a hard rule that only Decepticons could fly in robot mode, with only Autobots that turned into planes being able to fly in vehicle mode only.
>>150119415I watched the original X-men Japanese dub. It seemed to be pretty serious and a straight forward translation new openings aside.
>>150108244Autobots could fly....sometimes
>>150119324Look up the reason why in-universe reason why Wheeljack is alive in Victory
>>150105819Does Car Robots count or was that retroactively made part of G1 later
I am real Americanbecause I don't understand how Japan somehow hates sentient mechas, and I've learned that I do prefer human looking mechs to at least have a conscious instead of just being mindless metal
>>150119415People don't mention enough how some Japs just fucking despise western products they're working on and try to sabotage it out of pure spite and superiority complexes I've heard of a few series getting treated like that, and I'm not surprised to learn is a decades run problem. It's not just Americans treating anime like shit in the 90's and 00's because they viewed it beneath them
>>150121211There are types of Mech lovers, those who hyperfocus on the machines and consider everything else to be at best a colorful vignette that's meant to give the setting it's depth or at worst unnecessary distractions from the glory of the machine form, and those who watch it for the human element where the mechs mostly serve as the vehicles for the melodramatic plots and convoluted coups. Most Japs seem to be firmly on the Human-centric side of the Mech fandom, which is why they dislike Transformers, the most Machine oriented mecha of them all, where humans usually take the backseat to giant robot shenanigans.Also as >>150121259 said, could be pure seeth since it's an American product and you know how territorial the creative types tend to get when it comes to their preferred medium, same with most western artists constantly shitting on anime for various petty reasons.
Its a shame they didn't tap on that headmaster binary bonding symbiosis. Especially when the later brainmaster became redundant with the JP Headmasters.
>>150119535i thought the TVTokyo X-Men dub was lost media?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ARTYo9stcInew Cyberworld episode.
TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on OPTIMUS PRIME'S AXEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDO8CUQsJxYTRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on GINRAIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkz8o0tpi6cTRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on STAR OPTIMUS PRIMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAYhe687kwgTRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on ROLLERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxN2K6X3ockGENERATION NONE - The Lost Pilot for the Original Transformers Cartoonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J5ULDssAakTRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS on the THIRTEENTH PRIMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hqk8oSGZ8Q
>>150106360The Dinobots could fly on robot mode and later Grimlock gained the ability to fly on dino mode as well.
Japan published an excellent manga where the Transformers are isekaied to Mazinger Z's world. Dr Hell convinces the Autobots about him being a good guy trying to stop the evil Mazinger Z (who, to be fair, looks evil-ish) and Megatron convinces Mazinger's group about the Decepticons being good guys who only wany to stop the evil Autobots. Shit happens when both sides meet and the mutual lies just happen to fit, so a violent fight ensues, but before dr Hell or Megatron could take advantage of the situation, Starscream reveals he had plans of his own for Mazinger's infinite Photon Power energy. The manga was drawn and written by Go Nagai himself.
>>150121336Honestly, you could probably seperate Transformers media into a spectrum as well.With extreme points of 'ET but he turns into a car' and 'X-Men with alien clanker instead of earthborn muggas'
>>150119537Only in the pilot episodes. After that they were grounded.
>>150120381Car robots was always planned to be part of the established continuity(as loosely as it's planned)- the JP 90's animes tend to run with some inspiration established by the prior American BW's year's themes(BWII takes place on Earth, but in the future instead of the past; BW Neo has triple changers like Transmetals but they're organic, Car Robots' thing is that they're time travelers from the future era of the Beast Series- it's vague in the show, but the theme of O-parts/OOParts(based on artifacts that don't match the location they're found in, also hints at them traveling back in timeThis was lost on American fans who just assumed it was a full reboot and the US dub ran with that too.
>>150105802>>>Season three was rebranded Transformers 2010 and as such, there is now a four year gap between the movie and season three whereas in the US, season three takes place only a couple of months after the movie.How did they explain Daniel not aging at all in this 4 year old gap?
>>150123164To be fair, the series was never meant to go beyond the pilot. Heavy Metal War was also meant to be G1's finale until Hasbro asked it to be continued.
>>150108510The impression I have is that very few people in japan are truly passionate about the franchise compared to the western fandom and they see it as a kiddie franchise on pair with beyblade and bakugan
>>150122366I like optimus using his wheels while behind the bushWhat do you think the truce they're talking about at the end of the episode is?
>>150123198Originally, in Japanese continuity, there was no explanation as to why Daniel did not seem to age between The Transformers: The Movie and Transformers 2010, which were separated by a 5-year gap. It was a long-standing, unaddressed continuity error until a brief, obscure blurb in the Autorooper toy packaging retconned the situation with a note that he was placed in cryogenic stasis for many years after a serious accident.funny given what happened to him in The Rebirth.
>>150123251THEY SEE ME ROLLIN'
>>150108244Imagine if Powerglide had an hoverboard that allowed him to fly.
>>150108244then why he gave TFA Prowl jet boosters?
>>150123529Because that's something else based in G1; like I said you could have a jetpack to fly, but Decepticons inG1 just had innate anti-gravity. similar thing with Optimus' jetpack in the finale, or Jetfire and Jetstorm being specifically rebuilt to mimic Decepticon flight capabilities. It just couldn't be innate to them for the most part, or has some sort of cost for operationIn G1, past some early inconsistencies, the Decepticons could just take flight without the need of any external tools or changes.
>>150121211>>150121336isn't the main reason why we have a /m/ board in this site because only a small niche of western weebs "get" most mecha anime in the same way that the japanese do?
>>150121336>Transformers, the most Machine oriented mecha of them all, where humans usually take the backseat to giant robot shenanigans.>giant robot shenanigans.you have perfectly described why i love Transformers
>>150119510>but after that it was a hard rule that only Decepticons could fly in robot mode, with only Autobots that turned into planes being able to fly in vehicle mode only.In general I always find it fun when Autobots/Maximals needed to be in an alt-mode to fly. Like in Beast wars where after season1, Primal needed to being his surfmoneky or jet modes to fly.
>>150124390Airrazor could fly both in robot and beast mode though
>>150124390the Prime jets were the results of writing the pilot script with the Bat Primal design in mind and it being too late to rewrite it once they switched to the gorilla, so they compromised and had it so Primal could fly in robot mode.
>>150123251>What do you think the truce they're talking about at the end of the episode is?i assume the Dinobots had a truce with Megatron, but for all we know it could be some character we haven't met yet.
>>150123914/m/ exists because people wanted to discuss their giant robots and giant robot toys in peace, same with how /tg/ exists because grognards wanted to discuss their plastic crack without having to deal with the rest of /b/. Japs don't "get" mecha anime any better than the average normalfag from reddit or twitter does.
>>150119537they never thought things through. they mostly played with the characters probably with the toys first and then wrote down whatever. dinosaur robots, atlantean wizards and dragon kings were all fair game for them.
>>150121336so basically japs like to see the mech as the mighty steed of the knight in shiny armor while westerners like to see the mech as the knight himself
>>150122495That axe video made me wish Megatron's flail got to be used more.
>>150119282Isn't American silly different from Japanese silly?
>>150126227Don't get me wrong, to both the Mech is a steed, but most of the time the Japs see it as an extension of the pilot while the West sees it as a humble steed that's ready to fight at his masters command. The degree of separation allows the west to be more welcoming of the Mech as the protagonist. It's also why there's a sizable audience for more industrial and vehicle-looking mechs among the Western mech fans while Japs are mostly into giant human-looking robot. Not to say that there aren't both on each side, but it's clear that chicken leg fans are a bigger share of Western Mech fans that Japanese ones.
>>150126293japanese silly is having the humor of a 4 year old. american silly is having the humor of an 8 year old.
Would you be confident in a brand new Transformers show with an all new cast?
>>150127169honestly sure, if it had cool ass designs, toys and characters an all new cast would be welcomed in this day and age,
>>150127169No, Optiumus, Megatron, Starscream and Bumblebee or I dont care and wont watch
>>150127188I was thinking of a potential sequel to season 3, but it would follow the start of a new war as the new autobots are cut down from the old autobots and have to figure it out how to fight the new decepticons by themselves.
>>150104843>The Autobots and Decepticons come from different planetsNo they don't. They just have different names in Japan. Cybertrons and Destrons. But both lived on Seibertron.
>>150105819>Powermaster Optimus PrimeGod at least call him by his real name, God Ginrai.
okaaaaaay knock out
>>150127169isn't that basically every japanese TF series already? Japs always make a new cast from the scratch while in the west the franchise is like capeshit in the sense that the designs and lore are always familiar at some extent.
>>150128626Having a new show with a new cast is preferable.How many times can you make a show starring Optimus and Megatron? That's the fucking reason western TF has been shit for decades.
>>150128673Hasbro still has PTSD from the fan backlash that they got from the '86 massacre
>>150128673That's like taking Joker from the Batman. Luthor from Superman. Red Skull from Captain America.
>>150128673And at least when they do use Optimus and Megatron they have the courtesy to make them look new and different
>>150128816This isn't marvelshit bro.You can't have Captain America without Captain America.You CAN have Transformers without Optimus Prime. The best Transformers seasons didn't have him.
>>150121344how would binary bonding work and what function would it serve if you were the one writing? I’m just curious since I’ve never heard of anyone actually liking the concept before
>>150129194the TF lore was literally created by Marvel though
>>150128626That sounds like how the continuity for Gundam works.
>>150130251most japanese kid franchises follow that format because of tokusatsu
>>150130073And Japan threw that shit out because it was bare bones shit.
>>150128932Megatron never looks the same between the adaptations but Optimus's most radical change was having flame decals
>>150130951They literally didn't though. Hell they canonized it in their own series as time went on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZZ7F6_ZUPU
Do you guys like minicons or do you think they suck? I think they're funny little guys.
>>150123914Pretty sure it's just because moot was a fan of eva and everyone was watching code geas and gurren lagan and stuff like that
>>150121336>>150126227I don't think this really makes much sense when you consider one of the western mech mainstays is battletech, which focuses a lot on the human and space politics of it all
>>150129876Like the thing in Pacific Rim where they share memories and stuff. The advantage would be faster reflexes and more precision. They could also add new abilities to the heads, hell, I think it was the point too.
>>150136216Battletech is a Wargame first, with lore playing second fiddle to the main game and mainly being there to explain why there two different groups of giant robot's are fighting each other. Yes there are lorefags around and they try to make the game seem more lore heavy, but the truth is it's all decorations for giant robot stompy fun.
>>150130073But in the actual Marvel comics, Megatron get disposed off by Shockwave in like, 10 issue and Ratchet become the protagonist because every other Autobots are dead?Hell, they had a that Headmasters spin off where Fort Max was the leader, and Grimlock and Ultra Magnus were leaders too.Like yeah, they had some Marvel influence, with the more cynic tone, the autobots being mistrusted at first, the human villains, but in the end it was not a superhero comics.
>>150108510>>150123244Its because when it came to giant robots, Japan already had their own franchises going strong. Stuff like Mazinger G and Gundamn was already rooted in by the time Transformers came over. Iirc, Macross started just before Transformers came, too.And Nips seem to prefer piloted mechas for the most part, rather than sapient mechas.
>>150128626Maybe its because they are more collective minded? I think it would fit Transformers better too since its about two factions of people.
>>150108510>>150123244>>150136837I think it's one of those things where if there's a fan, odds are it'll be a diehard fan of the series because a casual fan is that much more rareTrigger and Platinum (well likely had in the latter's case) have massive fans of Transformers and it shows whether it'd be through the former's homages or the latter with Devastation getting senior staff to openly volunteer for it
>>150132424or being a fire truck?
>>150104757There's a guy on YouTube called Chris McFeely who posts a lot of TF videos, and I think he even did one on the differences between the US and Japanese media.
>>150136086hell yeah i like minicons, they are basically micromasters but better.
>>150136837Most TF cartoons are also just plain not as good or impressive compared to even basic anime. Like you have all these TF fans impressed by how dark Beast Wars or Prime are, but they're just standard for the audience over there. There's also a significant lack of hype visuals
