First Morrison says:>Adults...struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life. Adults foolishly demand to know how Superman can possibly fly, or how Batman can possibly run a multibillion-dollar business empire during the day and fight crime at night, when the answer is obvious even to the smallest child: because it's not real. Kids understand that real crabs don't sing like the ones in The Little Mermaid. But you give an adult fiction, and the adult starts asking really fucking dumb questions like `how does superman fly? How do those eyebeams work? Who pumps the batmobile's tires?' it's a fucking made-up story, you idiot! Nobody pumps the tires!But then he says:>If Gotham was so bloody awful, no-one normal would live there and there'd be no-one to protect from criminals. If Gotham really was an open sewer of crime and corruption, every story set there would serve to demonstrate the complete and utter failure of Batman's mission, which isn't really the message we want to send, is it? You've got Batman and all his allies as well as Commissioner Gordon and the city still exudes a vile miasma of darkness and death? I can't buy that. It's simply not realistic and flies in the face of in-story logic (and you know I like my comics realistic!) so my artists and I have taken a different tack and we want to show the cool, vibrant side of Gotham, the energy and excitement that would draw people to live and visit there. Gotham needs as many faces as Batman - it should be the loudest, sexiest, jazziest city on Earth.Am I the only one who sees the contradiction here? If worldbuilding doesn't matter, why does it matter that Gotham is an unrealistically shitty place to live in? How can one man hold both these stances?Methinks all those drugs messed with Morrison's brain. Or, more plausibly, like all celebrities, he just says shit in his inteviews to get attention without thinking too much about contradicting himself.
>>150115664This again?How replies will you get this time? We shall see.
>>150115664There's no contradiction whatsoever, unrelated, not that deep. Gotham should have culture and glamour and all that, "Gotham" is a shorthand for New York City after all. It being just broken down hell on earth shithole isn't as interesting.
>>150115718But he doesn't use narrative interest as argument, he specifically talks about realism. Why doesn't "it's a made up story, you idiot" apply here?
>>150115704>How repliesHow many replies
>>150115704I've never made this thread before, check the archive.
>>150115664You missed out on some key context for the first statmentHe was talking about how superhero movies end up removing so many interesting or iconic parts of characters in order to make them more realistic, as if adults would be ashamed to watch anything that wasnt real lifeNevermind the inherent contradiction in trying to make a story about flying men realisticIts literally grown ups asking movies to be more boring because they feel the need to arbitrarily question whats real or not and refuse anything that doeasnt meet those standards The second one was in the context of only ever showing one side of gothamHe is literally sarcastically acknowledging his stance of realism Both of the are consistent with his belief that reality does not solely consist of pain and sufferingThey want to make movies more realistic by having people randomly die or suffer from the burden of powerBut then balk at the idea of a city, even one as seedy as gotham, having a night life that people might enjoy, even though that certainly is realistic
>>150115751Archive says you have.
>>150115891Source: your ass
>>150115664wow, the guy famous for being a shit writer who's weak on detail and high on drugs doesn't remember what he fucking said
>>150115959Wrong
>>150115771I appreciate you trying to approach this in good faith and make sense of this, but Morrison doesn't seem to be saying some of the things you're seeing in these quotes. He specifically mentions trying to explain the mechanics of superpowers of super gadgets, not pessimism in adaptations. Do you know what interview the quote comes from, does he talk about that in the full thing?
>>150115905Source: the archive.
>>150115664Morrison haters are newfags, this is a Grant Morrison board
Gotham is nowhere close to as dangerous as any irl city. The concept that "LE NO ONE WOULD LIVE THERE AMIRITE REDDITBROS XD" is absurd.
>>150117039>Gotham is nowhere close to as dangerous as any irl city.Explain how living under constant threat of being murdered by Joker/Scarecrow/Two-Face/Poison Ivy/any of the other dozens of psychos is more dangerous than the privileged first-world cities of IRL.
>>150117075How sheltered are you?
>>150117200Define sheltered. Most people never have to experience even being held at gunpoint.
>>150115664I do wonder; how does Batmans enemies not just rob all day and night? Or during the day at least?Like, you see him at night, the boy too, so why not do crime during the day? When have you seen the Bat at 10:45am stopping the Joker?
>>150117273>When have you seen the Bat at 10:45am stopping the Joker?The first issue of New 52's Detective Comics from 2011 had him chase Joker during daytime.
>>150115664Not contradictory at all.Unless you're explicitly telling a story about the logistics of superheroing (which might actually be fun) nobody cares who's filling the tires on the Batmobile.But Gotham is in every issue. You want it to be more than a one-dimensional shithole from the worst of Frank Miller's dark impulses.
>>150117455But Gotham can be (and often is) nothing but set dressing for the story, just like Batmobile and its tires.
>>150117552Don't be obtuse. Asking who fills the tires on the batmobile is like asking who cleans the streets in Burnley. Yes, it obviously happens, but why would it ever be relevant to the story?
I have kids and Morrison is wrong.It's almost impossible to watch a movie with them because they ask questions about literally everything that's happening.
>>150117707Sure. But you can apply the same line of thinking to Gotham. To use a tired example, you can tell a story like Heart of Ice without treating Gotham as anything more than a one-dimensional shithole.
>>150117075>constant threatUnless in the hands of shitty writers those four seldom just kill random nobodies.You would have been better going for those like Zsasz and Firefly, though there are serial killers and pyro maniacs IRL so it wouldn't have helped much, of course they don't usually have the ability to teleport out of prison.
>>150117200That's rich coming from some paranoid dipshit living in either a rural dying midwest "town" of 30 elderly boomers, or some Europoor backwater where all the kids have moved away since there's no money to be made milking the village cow to make cheese that smells like an unwashed arsehole.
>>150118201
Maybe he should try being a better writer.
>>150117722This!
>>150115664I miss the stupid hypercrisis threads
>>150117722Yeah but kids tend to ask questions about what's directly on-screen, not the off-screen implications.
>>150115905what
>>150122214What?
>>150115733He is joking dude and making fun of himself. He obviously doesn’t like his stories realistic. He almost exclusively writes surreal and fantastical stories. Are you an autist that can’t understand a basic joke?
>>150119782Cope
>>150117273>Commit crime early in the morning>You've now given the world's greatest detective over 12 hours to analyse the scene and track you downIt's the vampire problem. Sure, the vampire can't hurt you when the sun is up. But the sun's not going to always be up, and when it's not, he's ready.
>>150117075No singular supervillain causes more deaths per rampage than NYC usually receives in a single day. You're statistically more likely to just get stabbed in a mugging than you are to get murdered by a supervillain.
>>150122283>I was merely pretending to be retarded
>>150115664The first paragraph shows generally minor details or a few big ones that you are able to ignore as they aren't relevant to the plotSecond is about a large broad part of the storytelling and its medium that directly affects the atmosphere and setting all the way through and right at the start
>>150115664It's entirely consistent- fiction isn't about simulating reality, but about delivering a message.OP demonstrating his illiteracy again.
>>150124464true
>>150121163What's that about?
>>150127027>>150127027the hypercrisis or the venture brothers?The hypercrisis is the idea that fiction influences reality is a metaphysical way and used to produce really funny threads on /co/The paintings in the image above were stolen and never found. Phantom limb is selling them.
