Did anyone else think Superman was going to talk Metamorpho into helping him? It's like they had a perfect opportunity to showcase one of Superman's strengths and just didn't take it. The fact that Metamorpho makes his decision completely independently of Superman, simply because he was shocked by Lex' cruelty, and other similar stuff in the movie, kinda undermines the idea that it's "the cheesy wholesome hopepunk Superman movie you've been waiting for". Rather than going for the tried-and-true trope option, Gunn goes for the gritty option he thinks is more mature and realistic. You can't just convince someone to help by talking to them, that would be SILLY. They have to witness a murder first.
Supes = Metamorpho > Guy = Terrific > Lois > Hawkbitch
>>150117006Yeah this is just about right for their cock sizes
>>150117022Wrong. Superman is in the middle somewhere. He has an average sized 8 incher so normal people like me can relate to him.
>>150117105Anon he is an alien.
>>150116952Superman was a useless bitch the whole movie.
How good was Metamorpho in the sack for someone to let him in his current state stick his autistic cock into their pussy and cum inside without protection?
>>150116952Part of it is that an audience will more directly respond to seeing a character making a moral choice when put against an immoral one, on an emotional level. They instantly identify into the person making the choice, and get satisfaction seeing the film play out to their own fantasy of doing the right thing.When that expectation is subverted, "Rex does nothing and in fact is mean to Superman," the audience experiences the dissonance of seeing what could be a potentially significant character continuing the villain's scenario, and thus is tension created, the audience is waiting for that situation to resolve. They do this lightly with the cut aways to other scenes while their prison scenario plays out.When it's played straight, Rex sees an injustice directly with his own eyes, along with the audience, and he (and therefore they) directly take action to resolve it. And done neutrally I guess, as I think you'd describe as alternative, the audience identifies into Rex for the decision, and takes action because Superman asks them to. I don't think that's as emotionally dramatic, and this is a pulp melodrama after all.
>>150116952Metamorpho chose to turn off the kryptonite and make Superman a mini sun because "you said you can get to my son, right?".Superman talked a man who was under orders to not even listen to Clark or else his baby boy would suffer, into helping Superman break out and save his son so they can all escape.He did do that, are you're complaining that he didn't instantly win Metamorpho over with talknojutsu? Because that'd be memed to hell and back for making Lex look incompetent.
>>150117121an alien with an average sized penis
>>150117280And yet he ultimately brings everyone around to his way of thinking, getting the Justice Gang to interfere in the war when at first they wouldn't even investigate his disappearance.
>>150116952I think Metamorpho having basically no idea who Superman is even tho he’s 3 years into the game and going along with his torture that long once Lex is out of view for virtually no personal gain is retarded, as is Lex, the smartest man in the the universe leaving Superman alone with a guy who’s loyalty isn’t guaranteed whatsoever since he’s literally torturing his son, in fact how did Lex even capture Metamorpho when he needed the most elaborate plan possible to get Clark into the black hole dimension or whatever it’s called? With his son no less??This film was riddled with plot holes and written by a moron
>>150117502Not knowing everything isn't a plothole. In a world of metahumans, Superman's existence isn't special knowledge.
>>150117461>Superman talked a man who was under orders to not even listen to Clark or else his baby boy would suffer, into helping Superman break out and save his son so they can all escape.That's not how it happened. Metamorpho had to see Lex kill a guy before he was even willing to budge.>for making Lex look incompetent.As opposed to the competence of going out of his way to be cruel in front of his prisoners for no practical reason?
>>150117532Not knowing everything is not a plot hole but when these are established characters with far more intelligence than capability displayed by the writer then yes it becomes a plot hole, such as Lex trapping someone who can create kryptonite at will in a pocket dimension instead of experimenting on him and extracting his DNA, that’s just not logical and a good writer would have immediately questioned that when they thought of this plot point in the first place
>>150117448Can't you basically justify everything in Man of Steel by that logic? Simply defeating the villain by the book is not as dramatic as having to murder him.
>>150116952Superman tried to speak and Rex just poisoned him harder, I'm not certain of Gunn's intent but I think he was just trying to hammer home why Rex didn't just conspire with Superman until blood was on his hands.
>>150116952he literally did you dumb fucking NI
>>150117615Why would he? He hates metahumans & is only keeping him there for an immediate slow torture of Superman. An irrational villain being irrational & not doing everything he could isn't bad writing. Stop being autistic.
>>150117648What is the expectation the story has built up to at that point, that informs what needs to happen for the tensions to resolve. If we saw Superman better navigating his personal life with his savvy, maybe the audience could build up the expectation that the situation would resolve with Superman just asking Rex to let him go. Those problems are resolved by the plot kinda just moving along, not anything that Clark and Lois do to soothe friction.I think for this film, with this Superman, it's more resonant to then see the character take that initiative themselves, to be "inspired" to action.To compare, Man of Steel at that point had set up a Clark that was hamfistedly tormented about his dilemmas preserving his separate roles as Superman, Clark and Kal that the audience is expecting something like the outcome it has. I'd even say there's actually a sort of meta-tension over whether or not the resolution will be hopeful, cause surely a Superman movie would have a cartoon ending, but the gut-level expectation is it will be extreme, operatic spectacle and a hamfisted dilemma.
>>150117574>Metamorpho had to see Lex kill a guy before he was even willing to budge.Because budging entails risking the life of his son, he budges after realizing that by holding the one person who could rescue his son, he's taking risk out of the equation and instead guaranteeing the death of innocents.If Superman hadn't said anything about being able to save his son, he'd had no hope at all and they wouldn't even try to escape, meaning Superman can't fight Ultraman while the JG are fighting in Boravia, meaning they all get juiced like lemons, meaning Lex Luthor wins.If Superman says nothing to him, they all die, therefore, Superman saying something to him saves lives.>As opposed to the competence of going out of his way to be cruel in front of his prisoners for no practical reason?Lex isn't doing it for no practical reason, he's using the deaths of innocent people to torture information out of Superman, while Superman is completely depowered, suffering from severe Kryptonite poisoning and locked in a pocket dimension.>Now, the U.S. Government has a few questions for you.>Who are you working with here on Earth?>Let's try another question, shall we, Superman?>Who raised you as a child?Yes, he is using this as an excuse to torture Superman, but he can do that more if he can get Superman to actually spill the beans.
>>150117363Ask ur mom
>>150118125My point is that this could've been a scene used to directly show how Superman can inspire and influence the world, but that wasn't really emphasized. Superman's words are not framed as the crucical thing that makes Metamorpho change his mind, Lex's actions are. I think that's a problem for a story about a character meant to be an inspiration to all.
>>150118317Superman talking to Metamorpho is that scene, without it, Metamorpho helping him makes no sense because Superman wouldn't have said anything about being able to save his son, at best we would have to assume that happened off screen, which borders on either being a headcanon or writing the script for Gunn.Besides, we get the dedicated Superman inspires hope scene later, where the people of Jarhanpur resolve to fight because Superman fought for them, that resolve is broadcasted and reaches the Justice Gang, who're then driven to fight off the Boravian forces in Superman's place, all while the John Williams Superman theme plays.
>>150118545Superman talking to Metamorpho is part of the plot, but it's not a particularly memorable character moment. But it could have been if Gunn actually went through with the emphasis on Superman changing his mind through being empathetic and understanding.>Besides, we get the dedicated Superman inspires hope scene later, where the people of Jarhanpur resolve to fight because Superman fought for themConnecting themes like this to inherently dirty, nasty military conflict is questionable to begin with. I would have preferred it in an apolitical context, that would've had broader appeal without aging the movie as obvious political commentary of its era in the years to come.
Metamorpho and Superman should have been in seperate cubes.
>>150117363Is that Kirsten Dunst?
>>150116952Metamorpho was a fucking cunt until Luthor blew some rando's brains out in front of him. This isn't the Rex Mason we're familiar with, he's clearly some kind of sperg.
>>150117363He can change his form at will, imaging the sexual possibilities.
>>150118317>Superman can inspire and influence the worlddidn't that happen in the movie? Metamorpho went to defend the Jarhanpurians against the Boravians.
>>150116952That's a lot of words to twist something that is just as easily interpreted as being exactly what you're asking for: Metamorpho really only helped Superman BECAUSE Superman tried to talk to him, and directly mentioned he would save his son as well. Something he directly calls back to when looking for a reason to turn on Lex. At the time Metamorpho was so scared and tense from his participation he reflexively shot it down. It's easy to read his anger as him being in denial about what he should do because he's too scared to take the chance.He changes once he sees direct evidence of Lex's cruelty, but the cruelty also highlight's Superman's morality. The hostage gives his last words praising Superman's influence in his life and Superman begs Lex not to do it. The entire situation helps push Metamorpho into changing his mind and taking the chance on Superman. Which is pretty much the whole climax of the movie: do the characters who are wavering on Superman's actions decide to take a chance on him because they're fed up with accepting how things are? Are they finally willing to risk the consequences of trying to make things better?In general, the movie supports those who side with Superman. Metamorpho helps Superman escape and frees his kid, alongside finding a new crew to roll with. The Daily Planet is able to publish an expose that directly helps take Lex down. Almost more than Superman himself did. The Justice Gang decide to intervene in an ethnic cleansing and succeed, despite the further implication that this will cause more problems later given the scene at the Pentagon reacting to it.
>>150116952This shit is why people tell you that you lack media literacy
>>150121319>something that is just as easily interpreted as being exactly what you're asking for: Metamorpho really only helped Superman BECAUSE Superman tried to talk to him, and directly mentioned he would save his son as wellI don't know why you people keep coping with this. It was, at best, a secondary factor to seeing Lex kill a guy. If that didn't happen, nothing Superman said would've worked. It's as simple as that
>>150117363>their pussyIs it a tranny?
>>150122234rent free
