Alright seriously, how does this ability work?
Inflicts the pain of all your victims, on the coniditon you feel bad about them
>>150119327How its SUPPOSED to work is the Ghost Rider essentially uses all of the sins/bad deeds committed by the user to inflict spiritual and psychic pain upon the soul itself, a demonic fire that is fueled by the wrongdoings of the victim. However Marvel and editorial is fucking retarded and keep making up bullshit excuses to nerf it or have people tank it completely for contrived reasons, possibly even forgetting how it works.I get that it's OP but there are better ways of handling it
>>150119360The problem with the Penance Stare being nerfed is that it's counter intuitive as a resultDivine punishment that can't affect psychopaths or sociopaths is borderline fucking useless and just excessive overkill on those who DO feel remorse
>>150119327It causes you to feel all of the suffering you have ever caused anyone, justified or not, over the course of your life. This includes the harm heroes have caused to their villains and other pure evil creatures. The only time this doesn't work is on targets that have no soul, or are not currently in possession of their own.
>>150119620>doesn't work is on targets that have no soul, or are not currently in possession of their own.Also the blind, divine intervention (angel feathers for example), symbiotes, and bad writing
What are good ghost rider runs? if any
>>150119646The initial Danny Ketch run
>>150119327It works?Ennis made it a joke, and Aaron turned it into a running gag. At this point I think more characters have no-sold it than were ever affected by it. It's been decades, plural, since I read something where it worked.
>>150119620>targets that have no soulSo the average Marvel writer.
>>150119570Psychopaths are an evolutionary mechanism against Penance Stare. Those that were vulnerable to Penance Stare were killed off.
The fundamental problem with the Penance Stare is that it's just an unbalanced and completely uninteresting ability in practice. You can't make it work to the efficacy it is supposed to because then Ghost Rider can never be threatened except by Mr. fucking Rogers because he can just hit them with the Penance Stare. Maybe you could make an exception for people who are insane or non-humans something but then those would be the only people Ghost Rider could fight and therefore it would still be useless.Their solution is just to make it regular useless and not affect anything which is an equally shitty one but really what can they do? The endpoint of the Penance Stare is that it will end up useless one way or the other. The only way it would ever see practical use is it if was retooled as some kind of finishing move he could only use to finally defeat someone because he has to go through the pain as well or something so it's not useful or desirable to spam
>>150119327>Alright seriously, how does this ability work?That's the neat part; it doesn't
>>150119620>This includes the harm heroes have caused to their villains and other pure evil creatures.So if two Ghost Riders look into each other's eyes, does it cause them both pain? Does that pain inflicted then get applied to their total they feel from the other's Penance Stare?
>>150119641>Also the blindThat's true, kind of an oversight on God's part>divine intervention Certain administrations can be assigned a higher authority by God, yes.>symbiotesDont have souls, as proven by the penance stare.>and bad writingIf no other reason is given for a source of immunity, the reader is forced to assume that any taget that is immune to the stare has no soul, or is not in possession of theirs. That's what happened when Punisher tanked it. He had lost his soul in Las Vegas in an event from earlier that year.
>>150119891Angels of Ghost Rider's authority and higher are immune to the effect.
>>150119327>HOW IT CANONICALLY WORKS:It inflicts all the pain and suffering you caused to SPECIFICALLY INNOCENT PEOPLE at once. This is why for example ghost rider used this on Spider-Man to test him. It didn't activate, because Spidey doesn't hurt people who don1t deserve it, and holds back even against those who do. >HOW THE WRITERS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THINK IT WORKS:It doesn't.
>>150119958Didn't Spider-Man punch a pregnant woman before?
>>150119327poorly
>>150119967I don1t know, when?I am talking about an old comic.
>>150119999Guess it counted as impaired judgment or too minor to be felt.
>>150120013probably, I'm not sure.
>>150119958>SPECIFICALLY INNOCENT PEOPLEAs early as the Ghost Rider #11 he used it against Dr. Strange and it hit him pain that he'd caused from fighting monsters and demons.>ghost rider used this on Spider-Man to test him. It didn't activate, because Spidey doesn't hurt peopleThis is just another ability the Rider has, he can see the all the sins within your soul and will not willingly choose to target the innocent.
