Whats so controversial about heroes actually going at the root of the problem in society and fixing it by any means necessary?
>>150121122Superheroes aren't supposed to fix problems because that would actually progress the story. Superheroes are supposed to maintain the status quo forever.
>>150121122what's the black marks on their hands? why's their blood behind them?is this the Russia Superman that shows up in my YouTube feed?
Are those opinions on Israel solicited?
because america is a fucking dirty pig irl
>>150121122Because vigilantism is bad and you should just wait for the government to fix everything goy
>>150121122>Just become a dictator! Please stay as far away from actual power as you can please.
Same reason why killing is le bad is a rule: >>150121129
>>150121122Forcing peace isnt fixing the issue. Destroying Israel down to the atomic level is what needs to be done.
>the root of the problem Superman vs USA and himself?
>>150121122injustice superman was fine for the first two years and then went full cartoonish villain in the third year.
>tonight, Superman beats up envy, and later paranoia
>>150121122There isn't in the sense that fans don't actually care. It's mainly a writing problem because comic characters are supposed to be eternal stories and when you have Superman just solve all crime ever then...well what do you then as a writer for like Batman? It's so much easier and honestly just better for both reader and writer a like if you keep things more or less where they are IRL.
>>150121122Because it’s anti liberty and justice.Following the rules and respecting the freedoms and wishes of others seems like a barrier but becoming a dictator and trampling everyone’s rights is worse than doing nothing at all.
>>150121132Maybe he marked where he’ll laser their fingers off if they don’t play nice
>>150121122This reminds me of that comic of Superman and The Flash playing chess while talking about getting rid of guns. Anyone got it?
>>150121213Violence is the Natural Law of the entire universe.All things good are won and protected through violence.Superman is the absolute force of violence in his world, thereby he has won the right to shape it as he will.
>>150121122>Whats so controversial about heroes actually going at the root of the problem in society and fixing it by any means necessary?Nothing. Nothing has ever gone wrong when an unelected, totally unaccountable party uses pure raw power to seize control of society and forces people to behave in their preferred way. It's a foolproof plan. No downsides whatsoever.
>>150121122Because Marvel and DC comics are designed to keep things going forever.
>>150121537Even an 'evil' Superman would still do a better job than the clowns that rule the world.
>>150121553No he wouldn't. He wouldn't because he'd have a totally different idea from you what "doing a good job" even means. You'd just be under the bootheel of an omnipotent dictator.
>>150121122Dictators never actually fix problems, only symptoms
>>150121537Sounds like current EU and UK.
>>150121122Setting everything else aside, it assumes that they know the root of the problem and how to fix it.Think about all the times a hero has fucked up and say, got into a pointless fight with another hero. Now imagine that level of rigor being applied to geopolitics, natural disasters, or societal ills.When it's a hero fight, they can shake hands and make up. That isn't an option when you topple a nation because you heard they're the bad guys or try to solve global warming by some superhuman feat.
>>150121122If he was actually fixing shit and being fair he would destroy Israel and give the Palestinians ALL their land back
>>150121122Society doesn't want to be fixed and will only escalate to destroy the heroes as well as each other.
>>150121248who is he
>>150121745Superman is Jewish power fantasy. He would never go against Israel
>>150121122If you think generations-long cultural divides are caused and fixed by whoever the current leader is, you’re delusional.
>>150121132>why's their blood behind them?schizophrenia
>>150121122Fixing problems is fascism.
>>150121706>If he was actually fixing shit and being fair he would destroy Israel and give the Palestinians ALL their land back I'm Jackson the Palestinians help the other Arab countries take more land from Jewish people than the combined area of Israel and Palestine also most of the Palestinians decide to stay at didn't get the land confiscated or anything because they didn't leave for invading Army to commit ethnic cleansing on the new country.
>>150121809Are you using somebody's post on a media social blog to be accurate? Black lives matter protest police being unaccountable for killing innocent unarmed black people the person could have just as easily said these black people are flying into my bedroom and peeing on me in the middle of the night that doesn't make what he says legitimate.
>>150121825this guy is a mentally disabled jewish pedophile btw
>>150121169>Forcing peace isnt fixing the issue. Destroying Israel down to the atomic level is what needs to be done.>>150121706>If he was actually fixing shit and being fair he would destroy Israel and give the Palestinians ALL their land backThe Middle East was never at peace. >>150121189Killing Billy was stupid. It was a stupid idea to act like this is a reasonable outcome from the perfectly justified killing of the Joker.I really don't think Superman works anymore. He is objectively better than most superheroes in most situations but what does he symbolize? A previous anon was right about how he symbolizes hope being bullshit. He also sucks as a villain. All of the "evil Superman" shit is getting old. Now they are going full circle trying to push the whole "Kryptonians are Saiyans" shit which makes more sense but it is also lame.>>150121553>Even an 'evil' Superman would still do a better job than the clowns that rule the world.If you made anyone the king of the world, it would be a coin flip.
>>150121841Somebody arguing with you what is a child drive so does not need a okay with the concept of a child rights or not a pedophile also I'm not Jewish I just recognized the right of Israel to exist with the UN does.
>>150121825>>150121834>arresting black criminals is bad>genociding palestinians is good
>>150121844>The Middle East was never at peace.your point?
>>150121543HAVE NO FEARWE'VE GOT STORIES FOR YEARS
>>150121248Teenage edgelord take, tranime avatar. Pottery.
>>150121856The first thing you said I never said I'm just saying killing innocent unblock people and getting away with it because I'm a police and used to take my at face value even with reports of multiple people saying he's lying is bad and I never condone the genocide of the people the current one goza could end is Hamas gives back all the hostages instead of trying to force Israel to release unrepentant murderers in exchange for them. I would love for peace with Israel to happen I just believe it's the Palestinians who demand to be paid to even negotiate but then close their ears and say la la the moment Hamas delivered at least starts acting to stop negotiations are the problem.>>150121861Probably that you should stop blaming it on a country that's not even in half of the wars in the Middle East that anyone in the Middle East is go to war at any time.
>>150121886>Probably that you should stop blaming it on a countryI was just talking about giving people their land back are you a kike or something?
>>150121861You aren't going to guilt trip me to caring. I have a hard time seeing Muslims as humans at this point consider what they do in every country they go to.
>>150121122If someone murdered Trump and all the other world leaders tomorrow, you don't think it would be controversial?Then again, 4chan is so low IQ on average the people here unironically believe that "assassination attempt" was real and not staged for publicity.
>>150121910>have a hard time seeing Muslims as humansmore human than kikes
>>150121890 Asking what's the point of there was no peace in the Middle East not taking people's land and quite frankly you don't have to be Jewish to see the hypocrisy in Palestinians and other Arab Muslims took more land from Jewish citizens who lived there for Generations than the entire state of Israel and Palestine combined times 4 and thinking the problem is just Israel took Palestinian land. And saying only is we also give up anything including most of their country to the people who forced most of their population Jews from Arab countries to come to Israel as refugees in the first place. But the main point is you certain point Israel every time two countries that hate Israel in the Middle East go to war because Israel's not some sort of evil organization who just want people at War when it's always an excuse in the Middle East to attack it.
>>150121922>believe that "assassination attempt" was real and not staged for publicity.If it was staged retard the bullet would have been aimed somewhere safer than Trump's head you don't just narrowly miss and hit someone's ear as a publicity stunt
>>150121948>implying the bullet was ever real
>>150121122>Whats so controversial about heroes actually going at the root of the problem in society and fixing it by any means necessary?First of all the obvious "All humans are fallible" shtick, "Any means necessary" usually means unsavory acts that will have unintended consequences, it might create more problems that fix them, which is very likely if its just one guy doing it all without askingSecond of all, there are systems in place to get things done, by jumping over everyone's head to get things done (Which is criminal) they're saying that they don't have to obey the majority rule or societyAnd finally, the main reason why its touted as immoral is: because the powers that be would shit bricks if the rest of the sheeple realized they can take away power from them at any time, because ultimately any real power a regular human can have is how many people like them and are willing to obey them, they're not superhuman, just about anyone could pull out a gun and kill themSo basically, they don't want them getting any ideas
>>150121935 When Jewish people became refugees in the Arab world Israel just for being Jewish and losing their citizenship for Israel welcome them with open arms which the UN didn't even call them refugees when Palestinian became refugees because they leave for an invasion and I didn't work out that Israel was in destroyed the you and called them refugees yay the Middle East the black check and now there's more Palestinian refugees by multiple times then they started with and people are getting adopted into being refugees that doesn't mean Muslims aren't necessarily human I'm not that guy but Jews do care about other people it seems more than Global Jihad against its enemies unlike the Muslim world who seems to care more about destroying Israel than taking care of the Palestinians they are supposedly doing any of this for.
Wow it didn't take long for the jidf to find this thread
>>150121983I see no signs of that but I do see signs that the I hate Israel and anyone who is Jewish Community is here.SEE >>150121706>>150121841>>150121890>>150121935And you.
>>150121122Sure when heroes do it's fine, but when I break into the president with a shotgun demanding peace I get jailed.
>>150122014 What war is the White House doing that you would have been in there with a shotgun for?
>>150121886>arresting black criminals is bad>genociding palestinians is good
>>150122059I noticed you can't even read the banner because of where it was conveniently cut off and these are just people wearing shorts when you actually involves the image also I explain myself you're just saying the same thing again.
>>150121922>If someone murdered Trump and all the other world leaders tomorrow, you don't think it would be controversial?Not really, no.
>>150121122Because then you get a B rated scifi writer trying to guess at the political strategies that would solve real life problems."Oh so I guess the conflicts in the middle wast got solved forever because ... a guy with superstrength evenly levels the amount of oil every square mile had, and made nanonmachines that made everyone know everyone's language so there was no misunderstanding??"
>>150122080You truly have to be a fucking retard to think this. Than again, with that pic, you seriously believe things will turn out like that and not become some massive power grab free for all.
>>150122593You going to take a bullet to save Donald Trump or Keir Stamer?The only world leader with an actual positive approval rating is that guy from El Salvador.
>>150121122because "superman fights a starfish monster that has the power to mind control people and the way it does this is with putting his babies on people's face, also he's an asshole" is a lot funner story than"superman decided to fix that issue i saw on the news last week"
>>150122611He said ALL other world leaders dude, not just those two pussies. I'm not dumb enough to think those below them won't immediantly try to take power with them out of the picture. Some would likely full toletarian and capitalize on the deaths. After that, it's kind of a "heads or tails" on if we get that pic related (either from control being taken from the power vacuum, or rebellion against control of the successors)-depends on numerous variables.
The problem with Injustice is that it starts with the biggest piece of nonsense that superheroes have: ‘if you kill, you have crossed a line from which there is no return.’ Do you seriously believe that if a sniper had killed Hitler, he would start killing anyone who breaks the law?
>>150122611Because he locks up critics
>>150122715The lesson is a good one. “Can one man really really make god’s decisions?” isn’t anything new, but “what if this man was a superhero?” Also superheroes are trapped in a forever status quo. The idea of killing is supposed to break that status quo (not that anyone stays dead)It also transformers a typically all ages hero into someone more “adult”Really this kind of narrative is not one for superheroes to talk about because their nature of being status quo focused and that its just tacky It’s like asking why can’t there be an episode where tom eats jerry at the end of an episode
>>150122741His critics are violent cartel members.
>>150122670The question wasn't "would it be better", it was "would it be controversial", and no, pretty much every regime in power right now is universally hated for actively working against the interests of their constituents.
>>150121122>by any means necessarythat part
stealth but not really /pol/co/ thread
>>150121248it's actually the other way around. peace is the natural law of the universe. everything likes being at peace, or resetting itself to peace. even the guys you might say are violent hedonists are just trying to come to their own state of peace. hungry? you eat, then you're back at a peaceful state. it's an urge, your drive to satisfy yourself, and when you're satisfied, you're at peace. that's the actual natural law. even the release of dopamine in your head is centered on a system of balance and imbalance, what's needed to bring things to their "peaceful" state is just different
>>150121122>Forcing Israel and Palestine to sign a peace treatyUnironically based
If destroying India and China was net benefit for the Planet’s health, would Superman do it?
>>150124255Why China? Just depollute it and kill its leaders and reduce them back to rice farmers.
>>150121122It's shows the the liberal world order (muh democracy) is an fraud perpetuated by parasites like the boomers and the like.freedom, liberty, etc are illusions by dysgenic people how wish offset their lack of value to humanity which only less than 15% of it counts(which is only white people)pic related, back absolute monarches.
>>150121122It's not really a treaty if you're doing it at gunpoint.
>>150122983>ahistorical drivelviolence is the way of mankind
>>150121122Because then it becomes a story about some dude with the power to single handedly pull off coups and the implications of that instead of beating up mole men and guys in fursuits.
>>150121129First post, best post.>>150121122To go into more detail, this approach raises several issues that cape comics generally don't want to deal with.The most obvious problem is that heroes actually fixing problems, especially heroes as powerful as Superman who could actually fix these problems means that there's an actual end-point to their crusade, rather than just endlessly fighting the same battles against the same villains. This is anathema to Big Two capeslop (outside of things like what-ifs and other non-canon stories) which are entirely based on the idea of stories being "endless." This is also why someone like The Punisher IS allowed to permanently kill his villains: Since he lacks the power and influence to make any real change, his crusade is endless by definition no matter what he does. There will always be more killers and gangsters to indescriminately mow down, so he doesn't need to do anything else.
>>150125216But when a demographic different than yours does it you will go on a rant of how they’re a bunch of barbaric beasts and how the demographic you belong to are more advanced and civilized.
>>150125291Secondary to this is that heroes tackling "real" issues is that it begs too many questions. If Superman can just beat countries he doesn't like into submission, why focus only on Israel? Why not work on any of the other wartorn countries and bloodthirsty governments that our news cycle just isn't as concerned about? And if he already decided that he's a higher authority than any national government, what's stopping him from removing any politicians that he deems dangerous or destructive? And what about other political problems, like corruption, pollution, the exploitation of the working class? Superman could "realistically" fix those, but writers are going to be caught between a rock and a hard place where either you do all of those things and make it a boring story about real world politics, or you don't do those things and make Superman look like arbitrary and cherry-picking bully instead of someone actually interested in improving the world. This is why Superman is usually portrayed as apolitical, or at least unwilling to directly engage in political matters as Superman, and why a comic like Injustice CAN do things like this because it's not at all concerned with Superman being heroic.
Superman is supposed to have a "my superiority doesn't put me above humanity" worldview. His influence extends to the limit of making humanity as best as it can be in his own mind. If he just grabs the steering wheel because he's bigger and stronger than everyone that would violate his creed and what he believes his place is as an outsider on a planet not of his own but one that grants him abilities greater than those who inhabit it.But you already knew this.
>>150121129Heroes can fix problems.Just not real world problems.You can destroy the ultra evil nazi regime because it’s objectively bad. You just cant talk about nation states like Israel that might piss one or two people off
>>150121953>Implying Trump was even real and not two dwarves inside a rubber suit.
>>150121122Replace "heroes" with "Guy with nukes" or "President trumphet" and the answer will be obvious.
>>150125216it's not. violence is a tool, but the nature of man is still peace like all others. even violence is nothing more than a tool for a man's peace. if a man had the urge to kill, they wouldn't be at peace. then, when they kill, they'd be at peace. violence isn't the way of mankind. it's peace. the desire for inner peace is what urged the man to use violence as a tool, but violence is just a tool. your image literally goes with my point. violence has, historically, been used as a tool. but never as the reason. thinking violence is the reason or the "nature of mankind" is for midwits and on the same level as saying "humans are the real monsters"
>>150125296>but . . . LE HYPOCRISY?!?Sorry but Leftoids cremated that goose years ago. And 13/50 among other stats disprove that it's just human nature or socio-economic factors or internalized ____ism.
>>150121122The problems in society have their root in human nature. Fixing those problems means changing indelibly what it means to be human.
>>150121809>Andy Ngo
>>150122857He pays the cartel members to don't cause ruckus. He even went to make a deal so the DOJ send them back to his mutthole country and avoid being sentenced in the USA.
>>150121122Because the "root of the problem in society" is that humans will act as short sighted greedy assholes. You have to get rid of humans to get rid of the problem. Throwing out the proverbial baby with the bathwater.
>>150121122Superman allows Russians to kill Ukranians, and Israeli till kill Palestinians, because that's "politics"
>>150125597 What Putin doing in Ukraine trying to invade it and destroy is sovereignty and Israel trying to get hostages back are completely not the same thing Superman would actually deal with why Israel's there unless you the hostages instead of letting her mods try and make the world ignore the fact that they're holding innocent is really citizens that they captured during a terrorist attack illegally hostage in order to abuse them and the man unrepented murderers be released.
>>150125677 You might want to look up World War I and the ottoman Empire and their actions at the time.
>>150125639>trying to get hostages backExcept that is not what Israel has been doing these last 70+ years.
>>150125677>This is definitely a ZioNazi JewThat's not a kind of argument you're just doing name calling and calling things evil without even a rebuttal to the argument that one about this when you're talking about that you don't win an argument by doing that you saw yourself to be childish having a tantrum. Also the Palestinians in the West Bank the Gaza Strip and those so-called refugee camps they love the Nazis it's a fact.>>150125721 Why are you talking about 70 years ago when the Arab world was having Israel under International illegal blockade instead of now when Israel's trying to get back hostages .They were actively at war with the existence of Israel instead of now where they just pretend we are recognize it after they basically commit suicide just for a chance at Peace by releasing convicted murderers and making it easier for the next invasion.
>>150122059>attacking terrorist and militants>genocide >attacking innocents at a music festival>a-ok
>>150125383Superman canonically fought Nazis and Japanese (while also leaving Soviet Union and Communist China untouched lel) so your spiel about non-interference is bullshit. Rag about German atrocities all you like, but Superman deciding to stop them while allowing Communist dictatorships get away with far harsher massacres (look up Pol Pot's Cambodia for example of guy who made Hitler look like an amateur) already makes him a biased hypocrite
If aliens invaded and threatened the whole planet, would the nations of the world stop warring with each other and fight the larger threat? Most say probably.Seems like it would be the case with superhumans. Not necessarily fight them, but in the context of OP's question, you have a larger being on the food chain forcing you to play nice.A lot of the reasons for war are pretty stupid, frankly. If you get power, the lust for more is always a fool's quest. If a certain German leader had been satisfied ruling his nation instead of literally trying to create evolution, he'd probably would have enjoyed many decades of a North Korea-esque like state.
>>150125749Dude. You are very seriously misguided in nearly all that you are saying.
>>150125851>ZioNazi Jew>not namecalling and a perfectly acceptable rebuttalSounds like you're the one who needs some guidance.
>>150125851anyone who says "zionazi jew" unironically doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about
Same reason communism doesn't work: because the people in charge always take a little extra and inevitably do things their way instead of the popular agreed upon way.I mean, would Superman get so corrupted that jaywalking or cutting in line would require an ass beating? You'd think not, and yet that's how it always ends up. Batman is the Dark Knight because someone who chooses to assault or rob someone should think twice because it might end up with them getting an ass beating. And yet robberies are still rampant in Gotham. The Death Penalty or Life in a concrete square doesn't seem to deter criminals in real life. I guess it's just the reality of the cycle of life. Do we need harsher penalties? A lot of petty criminals say they're back on the streets that same day, so perhaps.
>>150122871A lot of people in China and Russia simp for their leaders unironically because they're brainwashed.
>>150121122Why does this generation have so much difficulty understanding that Superhero comics aren't meant to be realistic. That they're supposed to be adventure stories were Superman fights an alien warlord or some shit. It's like there's so little imagination left to go around that they have to constantly inject their flimsy understanding of reality into even their fiction.
>>150125296that shit don't matter, superior people will have superior force everytime unless subverted from the inside like the modern world we see today.seethe redditor
>>150125486peace like equality is an byproduct of force you stupid clanker, your pathetic mythology is ahistorical nonsense with no bearing with reality.seethe harder mutt.
>>150126124It's almost like in this age of information people are more aware of the problems in the world around them so Superman fighting fictitious alien warlords no longer entertains them as much as him fighting some realistic evil they themselves suffer from would.
Nobody in real life would hold Superman at fault for putting repeat offense murderous psychopaths who were being protected by the government in super max prisons and maybe killing them. Arkham Asylum would absolutely not be allowed to exist in real life. The Joker and Dr Pyg would have been sentenced to Death.Nobody in real life would object to Superman ending wars that are killing thousands or even millions.Nobody in real life would object to Superman deposing brutal, violent, murderous dictators. Imagine being an evil dictator who takes away everyone's rights, and then telling Superman he has no right to depose them.The argument made by The Flash/Mr Terriffic about killing smokers or whatever was a huge strawman and had no legs to stand on. That Scientist instantly jumping to "what gives you the right?!" when Superman said the Arkham inmates are being moved somewhere they can't escape wouldn't happen unless the writer was strawmanning again. That Scientist would instead go "Fucking finally. I'm sick of all these breakouts where 1/4 of the Arkham staff gets murdered every week."Fuck this stupid strawman story.
>>150125982You assume the problem with communism is the people at the top stealing (something that happens in capitalism already and here we are fine), and not that it allows the people at the bottom to never need to bother and thus never produce. For example, I work in ER and my country has some socialist policies. As in, healthcare is free, "free" because every worker gets 120-300 removed from their paycheck so that it's free. I have 3 regulars at the hospital that come every single day. Because it's "free". And they have nothing. They just show up to pass the time. Most of the time they don't even go through triage, they just pass the time in the waiting room after requesting admittance. However, it costs $200 to the taxpayers every time those sandbags want to see the doctor for no reason. >A-Anon, it's just 3 people...Those are the regulars lol. Of all the people that come to the ER because it's "free", I'd say not even 5% actually needed to. Every day, out of 600 people that come to the ER in this hospital, I'd say only 4-5 actually had to. Faintings, car accidents, allergic reactions. But, holy shit, the remaining 495 are "uhh I woke up and my shoulder hurts." Off to the ER then! 200 bucks off the taxpayers! Never ever consider you slept on that shoulder! That's the real reason communism failed. The state cannot sustain so much retardation. Heck, we're still borrowing money from Germany. It literally can't.
>>150121122Injustice Superman never ended the jews, some root of the problem in society fix you got there.
>>150125698>You might want to look up World War I and the ottoman Empire and their actions at the time.& what happened after that when the British got involved?
>>150126412>However, it costs $200 to the taxpayers every time those sandbags want to see the doctor for no reason.That's a function of the hospital billing the taxpayers $200 every time those people show up, not an inherent flaw of socialism. Those people did not waste $200 of materials, nor did they necessitate extra staff to be dealt with. They were just vaguely in the way.Newsflash, shitbag. I live in freedomland and hospitals here ALSO gouge everyone they can for nonsense billing including taxpayers. But unlike you, I have to live with an active awareness of and fear of healthcare costs. I doubt you're terrified of the idea of getting hauled off in an ambulance or needing an x-ray. So eat a dick and choke on it.
>>150126412>>150126636tl;dr the problem IS ACTUALLY people at the top stealing
>>150121122Other than the obvious "if superheroes actually permanently fixed something in a snap, the story would be shit", the biggest thing is is that it doesn't matter if the superhero is correct or not, whatever they say goes. Plus most things in life aren't "pure evil" vs "pure good", so even if they ARE correct, there's going to be a sizable number of people saying "what the fuck, what about us?" or something like that.Topical examples IRL:A. SuperGuy stops the fighting in Gaza and now Israel's buttmad they don't get the whole landmass and a good chunk of global media begins Lex Luthor-tier petty fussing over SuperGuy, nitpicking the hell out of him, making movies about mankind fighting against superhero-like villains, etc. and eventually SuperGuy is labeled as a racist and probably Hitler. SuperGuy is confusedB. SuperGuy nicely escorts everyone out of Gaza (against their will, probably) then gives Gaza to Israel, and now Israel just fucks off to attack other Palestinians instead while the entire ME and any Christian with an IQ above 50 is pissed. "Internet extremism" goes on the rise as more average joes realize the situation's bullshit, but it's quickly shoved into various internet containment holes like /pol/ and infinite-kun's bunkers, while the media either ignores the complaints, memoryholes it, or spins it as racism somehow.C. SuperGuy forcibly makes Jerusalem a neutral zone where both Islam and Judaism can coexist. Less than a decade later, everyone Islamic is out of Jerusalem because ??? and nobody notices, while Gaza disappears from maps.
>>150125573No, he just arrests them.It's literally that easy.Leftists just want you to die in the street surrounded by piss and shit, which is also why President Trump was able to fix DC in 48 hours.
>>150125913We have phones. We know what the fuck we're talking about because you're all public about doing Nazi shit
>>150126678Don't lump the kikes in with us, we tried to warn you about them.
>>150121122You're a retard. They want bad people like themselves to be able to do anything without consequences. That's why it's written that way by the joos. You're not fucking talking to reasonable actual people. You think normal people think changing the world is bad? You're fucking stupid.
>>150126656>& your "International illegal blockade" is the consequences of Israel's action for bullshitting everyone & behaving like Nazis. What do you mean consequences for behaving like Nazis the Arab world dated day one when they failed to invade Israel the day was founded and acted more agnazis than Israel ever did included taking away citizenship to all of his Jewish population also look at the horses negotiation Israel did do take that back any of the hostages just because they don't obey every hostage negotiated by her mods to get any hostages back doesn't mean they don't want them back it means no this is unacceptable and wise the UN allowing her mods to trade a few people for thousands of repented murderers like it's Israel's duty to accept it. it's always been about the hostages even if they don't have the best plan.
>>150126124>a huge number of comics+media made the last 15-20 years have entirely been about political shit, parodying political shit, outright demonizing various politicians specifically, having superheroes be mouthpieces for whatever shit the writers believe in, changing races/sexualities of basically everyone that isn't a villain, nepotism-ing shit artists into powerful positions in the company due to their sexuality/race, making strong men feminine/weak, strawmanning people all the time in all the comics, going on social media rants about this or that, and so onYeah. Sucks. I know there was a time when superheroes were being used for war propaganda, but there was a time after that where it was mostly about fighting unknown evils from space or fighting some supervillain that wants to rule the universe or something; now it's like they can't go five seconds without making a villain quote something Turmp said nearly word for word, usually some variation of "Make [location] Great Again", like I'll hear sometimes in some cartoons.
>>150126636Nope. I went to ER only once when I was little and I broke a finger. Unlike you, I'm pretty healthy. Never needed to use the hospital.Maybe quit burgers? I get it's sacrilege but give it a try.
>>150126815You always make this typical talking points & excuses that's never true. If you wanted the hostages back then you would have done that long ago & leave Gaza. But you didn't & just kill people. All this is is just excuses with delusional thinking & typical victim complex. All the videos coming out from Israel is you guys just being NazisAmerica should just cut you guys off & not be sucked into your victim complex bullshit while you kidnapping & raping our kids, send our soldiers to die, & steal our money while you house fascists & pedos & satanist shit.We see what you all are & how much control you have over our freedoms, & your time will soon be upon you when America is free from your poison. Go be Nazis. America will stand strong once more
>>150127115 You say I make the same argument but take one typically makes the same argument when they face the same accusation and no counter argument just because it's a similar response doesn't mean you should see it as less validated you should see it as the typical response and therefore some people actually believe in and not an excuse but an explanation or rebattle. Just because people are not saying yes yes you speak truth doesn't mean that the Lying or make an excuses to you it means they're trying to have an actual debate. Also I'm not Israeli or Jewish I'm Canadian. You need to stop seeing anyone who disagrees with you about Israel of having to be some it's really due who doesn't even believe what they're talking about or rebutton your arguments with, The leads in the hostages are not bad got one Hamas is demands are too high when they never said he having any of those hostages in the first place and two they want them to have more weapons and money from Iran and brag about it to the International Community doesn't make it good makes them horrible people but it doesn't make Israel evil for not having hostages back also Hamas is the one who kidnap and raped children . Also anyone can make a video with Pacific editing and such in order to make a video that says anything just cuz you seen some videos that said something doesn't mean it's even in that conflict. Not to mention the Palestinians in World War ii. team up with the ritual Nazis and don't regard it as a mistake even with today. I don't even know where you got any of that for the second paragraph America has never went to war for Israel and no going to war after 9/11 does not count in any way.Oh wait now you're talking about Satanist yeah your schizophrenic auntie. .
>>150121122Without devolving into a whole thing, there was a period of time before 2016 when Americans would have opposed Superheroes affecting the government in such a drastic way
>>150127050Some of us are disabled and get hauled off to the ER every time they have a pseudoseizure in the wrong place and some dumbass calls 911.Fun Fact: You have to sign that you don't want to be transported to get out of an ambulance ride, else they haul your ass off against your will and slap you with a giant ass fee. And they aren't about to help you sign cause then they miss out on getting paid. Hooray for capitalism.
>>150121122Superman believes in human autonomy, including self governance.
>>150121922>Then again, 4chan is so low IQ on average the people here unironically believe that "assassination attempt" was real and not staged for publicity.I dont like trump, but I think it was a real attempt. One of his followers got shot and killed, and there was footage of the bullet near his ear. >>150126278>Fuck this stupid strawman story.Everyone in that comic feels like a strawman or a bizare caricature.
>>150125825The whole crux of Nazi ideology was conquering and turning the slavic nations to the east into farming colonies to support the industries of Germany. The war with the Soviets was inevitable regardless of how many concessions Britain and France gave tô the germans. But even if Hitler stopped after the Munich agreement his retarded economic policies would have quickly bankrupt the country, and this probably results in either the lesa extreme elements of the party removing him from office and reorienting the country towards the west or an outright bolshevik revolution.
>>150127381How is offensive to draw a ginger from finland who converted to islam?
>>150127868*less
>>150127568If the problem is capitalism why do Singapore and Switzerland have world-class healthcare systems? Keep in mind that both of these countries are more capitalist than the United States.
>>150126191you're not even paying attention anymore. i JUST said that violence was used to achieve peace. the problem with your point of view is you're saying violence is the reason, the "way of mankind". it's not. peace is. violence can be used to achieve that peace, but it's not what man abides by. you're not paying attention at all
>>150121706 if he was fixing shit and being fair he would glass the middle east, a region of the world that has proven over thousands of years that its people can not stop killing each other and trying to genocide their people.
>>150122059>genociding palestiniansNot a real thing
>>150125825>If aliens invaded and threatened the whole planet, would the nations of the world stop warring with each other and fight the larger threat? Most say probably.I would be inclined to disagree with you, anon.Or at least it wouldn't lat long. Not throughout the entire invasion even in my opinion.
>>150121122It's not. There is literally a Golden Age Superman story where he flies to Germany and Russia. Arrest Hitler and Stalin and then has them tried before a World Court for attacking Poland.I'm tired of this shit about "MUH SUPERMAN WOULD NEVER" he 100% would do this shit.
>>150121122>>150121213Two countries waring isnt respecting freedoms. Its elites deciding to send people to die forever until they get tired of it
>>150129212In that case, it's Superman doing the arrest and the court making judgement on guilt and sentence, with presumably another party acting as executioner.Which is different if Superman played the role of all three.
>>150129392I actually fail to see the issue. All he did was strong armed them into signing a peace deal.The Hitler/Stalin was is actually more egregious because the swoops in, just kidnaps and by extension deposed them.
>>150121122Tobacco kills more than any firearm or super villain in a year. What exactly is Superman going to do about it?
>>150127978>Keep in mind that both of these countries are more capitalist than the United States.Both of those countries have universal healthcare.It's almost like having universal healthcare isn't particularly controversial outside of the US and is recognized as a public necessity on the level of police.
>>150126233Superhero comics touching upon real world issues is what we need less of not more. Even something as mediocre as Invincible can balloon in popularity because it's just a story of a flying brick fighting other flying bricks with some basic drama and tension.
>>150130279>What exactly is Superman going to do about it?Heat vision all the fields around the world. Wouldn't eliminate the problem, but it would make it significantly less damaging than firearms or super villains afterward. Problem solved.
>>150131235Okay. Car crashes also kill millions every year. What is superman going to do about that?
>>150131217They just need to touch on the real issues that affect everydoby and not trans rights or debaitng the no-kill rule for the million time.
>>150121122As Batman pointed out - ending the open conflict while doing nothing to address the causes of the conflict in the first place isn't solving the problem. You can't inject yourself into a multigenerational conflict over religion or land or centuries of retaliatory violence and expect everyone to sing kumbaya.
>>150124255I would do it
>>150121844>Kryptonians are Saiyanswat
>>150121122because you liberal faggots don't have any idea what that even means
>>150131279>What is superman going to do about that?Lay down a bunch of rail lines.
>>150121129Yep. FPBP as usual. Capeshit has to run the same story for a century instead of make anything new.
>>150132015With great power comes great responsibility. If Superman wants to pretend to be human so badly he should be willing to actually engage with humanity in a meaningful way. The least he could do is disarm Israel of their nuclear weapons so they can no longer terrorize it's neighbors with threat of the Samson Option. Or use his powers to remove their corruptive influences on other countries. Him and other heroes have been willing to interfere with cartoonishly evil people before after all. He could even work with proven good guy nations who have the will but not the power or security to help facilitate all this.
>>150132713>proven good guy nationsno such thing
>>150132713>Superman takes a stand against Israel>Superman is called antisemitic>critics start lambasting him hard>meanwhile Nazis start calling Superman their hero, Lex has a 24/7 Superman general on /pol/>Superman likely now goes on tv and tries to explain his political views before things get out of hand>it's too late>other nations start becoming paranoid because they don't know if Superman will come for them next>poor nations begin demanding Superman to get off his ass and lift them into prosperity>Superman becomes the slave of every journalist on Earth>Superman has to tiptoe around everything to avoid offending someone but he always willPolitics is too much of a pain for a heroes.
>>150132881>Lex becomes a good guySo Utopia is eminent.
>>150121122Meme answer: status quo.Real answer: Noo individual should wield the power to be the judge, jury and executioner of what's right and wrong, because morality is relative, and individual judgement can be flawed.Let's just look at the current political climate. >Imagine if those in power decide, that it is inherently evil and immoral to even question a trans person's identity, and therefore they should be allowed to use any means necessary to "fix" the problematic elements of sciety. You don't have to imagine, because that is exactly what the UK government is doing, while actual imigrant childrape gangs go unpunished, because they deem it racist to even adress the problem.>Another example is, the USA. Right now they are rounding up people they assume are illegal imigrants and deport them to el salvadore without due process, because those in power deem it a moral act. While protecting your citizens against foreign harms is indeed a government's duty, more and more cases happen, where they wrongly round up second and third generation descendants of LEGAL immgrants with no criminal history whatsoever, just because they are brown or have spanish names.
>>150125216Violence should never be the *first* answer. But the reality is that, unfortunately, there are times when it comes down to that, namely when your opposition is a band of psychotic barbarians. However, I'm also of the attitude that if violence is necessary, you should not half ass it. End it quickly and effectively, and take every measure necessary to ensure that the enemy isn't capable of continuing to be a problem.
>>150133083I think it's more about the fact that no individual should hold all the power (like I expressed 1 comment above yours) but honestly, I think this interpretation works too.
>steps in to stop corruption in the police force>stops the mafia who corrupted the government and police force>when he finds out the mafia has international ties he stops them too>empowers the justice system through both his donations towards good men like Harvey Dent and his work as Batman when the police lack the force to do it themselves>defeats the supervillains who rise up to try to counter his superheroism>inspires the people of Gotham to literally fight back against super villainy>inspires the next generation to pick up his mantle when he gets too old and busted
>>150125310Well a major problem with approaching storytelling like this is that a Sup(or any made up fictional OC) coming in and fixing the worlds problems will always come off as bullshit to the audience. Reasons for that include the obvious no conflict equals no story, but having a fiction character solve all the worlds problems and overcome all the political bullshit will just piss off the viewer because there is no real life equivalent to do so, we as regular people gotta overcome the struggles that we face and have that be reflected in our history.Like forget Supes for a sec, if I gave you a script for a film where my original OC made a bill that would be signed into law solving all of our real(or real life equivalent) and then the day is saved, youd toss that shit in my face. Thats why you can see Supes be put in historical set pieces and helping solve those problems, like them being part of WW1 or WW2, cause we know how that played out so we can incorporate those characters and see how they contributed to that cause the actual events are set in stone they just gotta join the ride, but having fictional characters solve all our real world problems is the equivalent to John Lenon's "Imagine" song, just surface level bullshit.I like how James Gunn approached this in the new film though, Superman isnt this guy who can solve all our problems, but he still wants to be part of the effort. In that way he has like tunnel vision like any regular guy would, he goes to help not Palestine but doesnt consider X Y or Z, and Louis would help out by exposing Luther Corp helping the cause. He gets the ball rolling but it cant just be him.
>>150132713Or he could just use his X-Ray Vision to find all Hamas' tunnels and destroy them while freeing the hostages in a day, helping out Israel (the real "good guy" nation in all of this).
>>150134479>superman going against freedom fightersnice try jew
>>150134537>superman not saving hostages
>>150134593>superman not stopping a genocide
>>150134781>superman being dumb enough to fall for fake genocide propaganda
>>150134810lmao you actually are a jew fucking lol you are barking up the wrong tree
>>150134842Catholic actuallyKeep seething
>>150134781>Evil Superman not spearheading the genocide.>>150134842Fucking lol better white jew than brownoid goatfucker. I'm spaniard, your race is setting my country on fire and trying to mooch from money nonworking but useful NEETS need to survive.
>>150121122Because it's stupid as shit. Hamas is literally a million religious extremists. They won't stop just because their "leader" is forced to stop. Superman would have to subdue/kill all of them to stop it. Israel is also somewhat extreme, though not in the same way. If Superman were to tell them to stop, Israel could argue that as a nation they are operating within their own sovereignty in order to protect their border. And whatever your opinion might be on whether Israel is justified or not, if Superman were to force bennyboy to surrender, then that would be really bad. That would make Superman an enemy of Israel. He would be a national criminal. And also an international criminal.
>>150121935Jews are people, muslims are zombies, and thus legally they aren't people. I wish there was a L4D mod where you go massacring muslims, like replacing the pipe bomb with a burning quran with a bomb inside, making the retards try to save the book before they blow up.
>>150121122Nothing really, the stories and readers have to pretend there is in order to maintain status quo. It's why any story that does this has to bend over backwards to make it look like the worst thing imaginable and immediately become global Hitler Stalin.
>>150135081Why couldn't they make an actual series so there's no (much) compression? Why a fucking movie that changes too much even if it's an alternate universe?
>>150135052Like that Ethnic Cleansing game, only jews, blacks and latinos united against muslims (unless the black is muslim themself, in which case they'd be the token heroic orc).
First, will you stop being fucking racists against your fellow man? DC's infested with hateable aliens, hate those. Second, why did they kill Flash that way? I wouldn't have minded him dying period, but being killed THAT way?
>>150122983I do agree with this, but I do understand on the virtue of free will and finite resources conflict is inevitably intertwined.Like if nobody got hungry and nobody could get hurt or die then there'd be no conflict but that's basically a fantasy land.Then again, the Galapagos Island and the Dodo birds imply that it's not totally impossible.
>>150134893>jew>whitenice try, semite
>>150135444Brownoids are semites, wasp.
>>150121922>IQ on average the people here unironically believe that "assassination attempt" was real and not staged for publicity.Would you ever trust anyone in existence to not shoot you in the fucking face, no matter who they were?Even examining it schizo style, what if they use it as an opportunity to kill you for real since I'm sure millions of people want you dead as a default.
>>150135478Agreed. Jews are brown and semites.
>>150122844You could also just Gi Joe it/Doombot but that would get annoying.
>>150127050>You're missing an arm? Well my arm is fine. Gonna go eat my breakfast WHICH I DID HAVE
>>150121706>>150121169>((()))
>>150121122Peace by force only lasts as long as those dealing force are around, those forced into peace will go back to their age old bullshit the moment superman and the other heroes die/lose interest.look at the middle east the moment america left for a perfect example.Also if superheroes truly solved all issues, their world would very quickly change from the one we ourselves see. It also would grow increasingly harder to invest in a utopian setting with no conflict, which heroes solving by force would inevitably achieve.
