All the X-Men have become mutant supremacists since Krakoa

>>150126799
Depends on the writer, the current story arc, and how badly Marvel needs to "get back to basics" again.

>>150126818
You know you've lost the plot when the X-Men and the Brotherhood are the same damn group.

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>>150126818
Despite having no windows there were alot of deaths from falling out of windows in Krakoa anytime someone talked about co existence. Guess they all shared the same mutant power of clumsiness.

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>>150126799
Both Xavier and Magento are leaders of segregationist militas and mutant supremacists. They just disagree on how fast and violently the normies should go extinct.

>>150126799
From the thumbnail I thought this was some weird Captain America/Magneto hybrid character

>>150127671
Yeah, people kind of forget that the position Chuckie X and his crew held was to just let the mutants replace humans peacefully and gradually.

>>150127504
Mags needs some human character to bounce off of.

>>150127671
Exactly, ALL of the mutants were supremacists who believed that they would inherit the Earth as it’s dominant species, they just disagreed on wether they should wait and outbreed the humans naturally or to kill and/or subjguate them to accelerate the process. What happened is the Krakoa is simply the final stage of the radicalization that begun all the way back in House of M.

>>150126799
Are you a human supremacist because you kill ants with bug spray?
They're a higher lifeform on the evolutionary chart, they're replacing us like we replaced the Neanderthals Magneto understands that, the X-Men who have low self esteem do not

>>150128104
>outbreed
Is it really replacement when it's your own children. It's not like a kid stops being someone's kid when they become a mutant. LARPers need not reply

>>150128856
Two problems:
1) Mutants can make non-Mutant children
2) Mutants are active state of latent Deviant genes which only about 1/3 of the Human population has

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>>150128176
Adam Warlock is a artifically created perfect human who is confirmed to be able to breed with other humans (and likely every living thing in the galaxy) and he was in his infancy already forcing Thor to use his warriors madness to beat him in a fight now imagine all of humanity carrying such power.
There are like 2 others like Adam but they are female so they dont matter.
Mutantkind has no answer to this except deciding to wipe out humanity right now in a suprise strike and hope nobody has a time machine or other type of mcguffin to stop it.

>>150128176
mutants have no future of dominance

>>150126818
It was kicking around at least part way through Utopia

>>150129111
>Mutants can make non-Mutant children
And? Nobody's should be killed or oppressed due to an accident of birth
>Mutants are active state of latent Deviant genes which only about 1/3 of the Human population has
And? What are the Eternals gonna fuck shit up, last time they did they got their asses beat

>>150128176
Have there actually been any futures where humans actually get replaced by mutants?

Clankas>Muggas

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>>150128176
>They're a higher lifeform
Lol.
>>150129279
You know with all the crazy shit running around in the marvel universe it's really hard to buy into the notion of mutants being the next step of human evolution when the only evidence of it at all being the case is "because we said so."

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>>150129415
Go to bed, Ultron.

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This thread now belongs to the true evolution of humanity.
All Muties will be neutralized by the CHADtinels.

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Sure am feeling evolved

>>150129790
The vast majority of mutations are useless or outright debilitating. For every Storm, Magneto, Vulcan or Jean Grey there’s dime a dozen like Glob or Bailey Hoskins.

>>150126818
I wish we had a story where there are mutants that call out both X-Men and The Brotherhood and tell both that they (the 3rd party) are humans and that they themselves were born out of humans. That there is nothing special about them nor mutants and that everything they are currently doing is making the lives of other mutants miserable with their bullshit.

>>150130229
It always annoyed me that the X-men can somehow decide for the entire mutant population. They basically elected themselves the kings of this new species. That they were even a species at all. I think a lot of the regular mutants would want to have more say when they're a talking lobster and the x-men are having sex in a mansion.

>>150130532
Remember that iconic panel where someone pointed at Kurt and said he was not Human , meant to portray them as wrong and cruel ? .Well , now the supposed Mutant heroes agree with this notion .

The fact almost all Mutants believe they are not Human and that they should form their own genetically segregated country despite not sharing a religion , culture , language , history or national identity shows you the X Gene makes you turbo retarded .

>>150127671
>"The people who claim we are separate from Humanity and want to replace it and drive it to extinction are totally right !"
>"Why do they persecute us so much ?!"

Besides Beak and Shadowcat , I hate Muties so much

>>150131969
>It always annoyed me that the X-men can somehow decide for the entire mutant population. They basically elected themselves the kings of this new species.
Arguably the most accurate part of the X-men as a civil rights allegory.

>>150128176
Best case scenario , if left alone , a Mutant land would devolve into in-fighting and discrimination over who is more Mutant based on retarded classifications and in-breeding done to preserve the best Mutant genes .

Mutants are so self-destructive and retarded , they are more the involution .

>>150131969
If I was a Mutant , the X-Men and Krakoa would be revolting to me .The idea that I am magically a member of a different species because of a single mutation (I knew Gingers were not Human) and that I am now suddenly intrinsically superior to all of Humanity and among them my friends and my family .I would tell them to kill themselves and to never decide anything for me .Too bad Marvel is too pussy to explore in-depth such a possible persepctive .

>>150133422
Oh the mutants would go full Sneetches in a matter of weeks. You know it would be the telepaths fault too.

>>150133326
My fave mutants are Puff Adder and Whirlwind because them being mutants doesn't dictate any part of their personality and character since they prioritise being career criminals and villains for hire over that.

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>>150133506
I always liked Firestar. And Beast when he was an Avenger.

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>>150126799
Yes. A pro-slavery one too.

>>150128176
>Are you a human supremacist because you kill ants with bug spray?
Yes, and being a human supremacist is based.

>>150133523
Oh yeah Firestar is another great character, X-Men writers really have it out for the poor Angelica. I really wish her and Hank Pym hung out/were friends more since he made the suit that saved her life from her own powers which was a nice moment for them both.

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>>150133575
I miss that run.

>>150129390
I don't think we've ever seen a future that was far enough along for that to happen naturally. Every future we've seen is one where someone went nuts and turned it into a dystopia, usually it's either humans with Sentinel tech or an evil mutant trying to wipe out humanity.

People compare it to humans vs. neanderthals, but it's not even that. Because in the mutant scenario, the population increase is coming from more and more mutant babies being born to human couples. Eventually you reach the point where every baby is born with an X-Gene and that's how mutants "win".

>>150133740
But what about more distant futures, I don't think any of them have mutant outbreed humans.
Like, Kang's time still has humans.

>>150133597
There's also a nice bit in Kang Dynasty where Hank in his Yellowjacket suit has a nice chat with Scarlet Witch, honestly those two should also be closer mates since both have been utterly abused by writers, have enough Avengers history and both have their sheer war battling mental illness

>>150133877
Oh man, there is like 6 self indulgent stories I'd write if worked at Marvel and one would just be Kang finally fighting the X-Men and just demolishing them utterly

>>150134107
Eh, I'm not sure. I'm just saying that this whole 'mutants are inevitable' is clearly contradicted by several timelines, even without getting into 'humanity annihilated by space bugs/robots/demons/etc.'

>>150126799
Originally he was Mutant Hitler. That is how he was written, full on supremacist. Then over Claremont's run he added the Jewish Holocaust victim backstory and he became a redeemed villain, anti hero. And yes you could say it was contrived but that is all comics.

Baked into Marvel's DNA is hero vs hero misunderstandings and fights but this has combined with modern multiplication effect of bigger and bigger stories with every writer wanting a bigger more ridiculous story. So X-Men are pretty much constantly forced against other heroes, until characters like Cyclops became the new villains.

>>150134228
Yeah I know you just mentioned Kang so was piggybacking off that lol. Also yeah there is no significant future of note that I'm aware of where mutants dominate or completely supplant humanity except for maybe one in Uncanny Avengers by Remender which did involve Kang.

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>>150134107
At one point I really REALLY liked X-men so I want to preface by saying a lot of this should be read as being directed towards the writers, but if given the chance I would really like to see them humbled. You'd think Krakoa would have been the big eye opener but nope. I don't want to break them, I don't want to kill them, or even hurt them. But I want a moment where they're just on the ground looking up, thinking back to what they've been doing for the past however long and remember what they once were or who they SHOULD have been. I want them to remember their humanity, they're simple desires. I want to them think when all they ever hoped for was a chance to just live in peace alongside everyone, to have a nice stroll in the park, head to their favorite pub and just live like humans do. They don't have to submit a written apology, fall on the sword, there will be no pound of flesh.

So what I'm gonna suggest to do, is take the Kang idea meme. Have him gloat and brag and peak down to the X-men about how mutants aren't the future, and as he rises to his feet, I want Cyclops to look Kang square in the eye and tell him something to the effect of how if humanity survives so will they and then just blast him full force.

>>150134515
Post Krakoa should have been about Mutants being on top. They saved the world, mutant hate is at an all time low all it cost them was Krakoa.
Make it about the X-men now dealing with the worst of the worst of mutant kind now getting uppity bring back Mutant Nazis and stop with this cake and eat it too shit of being oppressed yet superior because it just makes them sound like actual Nazis

>>150126799
every time a normal human wonders if it's really safe to have living atom bombs walking amongst other normal humans xavier overwrites their brain patterns with a copypasted string he found from the brain of an inbred pol user

>>150134515
>>150134596
I do think the writers have let 'the metaphore' consume them a bit too much.

>>150134697
Yeah half the time they were fighting aliens or other shit. One of the early big events was goddamn demons. You can still have the metaphor but it needs to be in the background. Not every issue should be God Loves.

>>150134732
The problem is a lot of the writers of making THE STORY/RUN.
It's a similar issue DC has with Joker stories all being samey edgeshit

>>150134777
Nobody is allowed to be on a book for too long and stories take too many issues to get told. As a result runs will consist of a handful of stories where the current team is in a rush to try and leave a mark or be definitive.

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>>150134697
It's not just the metaphor its the fact that the only writers for X-men comics are upper middle class white liberals that think they're "hip" but in reality are insanely faschistic themselves despite hating fascists
They lack critical thinking skills or even the most baseline self awareness to realize what they've been writing is fucked, its how Duggan can write a page like this without even realizing the raw irony of it.

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>>150134849
Fucking hell

>>150134732
They need other perspectives about the Metaphor. LaVelle was a good start dude had fucking FIRE for Krakoa and was calling out the hypocrisy but of course the fanbase HATED it

>>150134515
Already you've been doing a better job thinking how to update and develop the X-Men better then the past 6 years of their comics by making them realise they need to better their methods and remember that despite what a single gene says, they are still human beings deep down. Honestly Kang vs Cyclops would be pretty dope, idea did pop up in mind during my EMH binge cause they give Nathaniel Richards a very Ultraseven esque headlamp laser in the show. Show also had his last appearance be him fighting Spider-Man, War Machine, Wolverine and Luke Cage. Bit more on topic a Kang vs X-Men fight would be interesting if done well since it ultimately comes down to a normal human being overcoming mutants with mighty power through him wielding the culmination of technology, ultimately representing a future without them crashing down to see why they should continue to exist.

>>150134847
Don't forget adaptationbait. Just as important to have something that can be made into an action figure or used as a rough plot for a movie or a cartoon arc.

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>>150134916
I feel like a long problem with X-men in general was how often a lot of their adventures were a bit clandestine. The Avengers and Fantastic Four are very public even when they're off world.
What we need is a story where the world can see mutants fighting an obvious villain for their sake. Have them fight Kang or Ultron in plain view. Have them get absolutely brutalized trying to protect regular citizens. Then when the fight is over, they walk out of the dust bleeding and weekend to where even the regular gathering mob could overpower them with ease and after a long silence the crowd moves towards them, the mutants pull back instinctively in defense but rather than being beset by the mob there's loud cheers and people calling out in thanks. Ambulances rush in to help some of the more injured members, and the X-men are left confused and shocked as what to think at first but looking at the faces of the people they saved they realize they did good. And have come further in this moment than they did in a long time. Have them be more open with the rest of the world and hero teams. Make them realize they're not a different species or evolutionary strain and actually try to talk to the rest of the world.

>>150134883
They also need to make the mutant prejudice less ridiculous, it's gotten so absurd and cartoonish that it's so eye rolling. The way it's written you can tell the writers haven't experience any real modern day prejudice, plus I fucking hate the whole petulant Avengers don't help X-Men thing they've tried to pull over the years when the opposite is equally the case. It's trying to conflate a seperate narratives deal into an in universe problem that just comes off as seething at the other side of the setting.

I think Annihilus could be a fun guy for them to fight once. Isn't he also sometimes referered to as like a super-evolved ultimate lifeform?

>>150135080
Yeah I remember when it just used to be cautious fear or maybe a snide comment under someone's breath. The idea is that people act on FEAR. And fear is an emotion based on ignorance and self preservation. This isn't like hating some one because they're skin is different. This is fearing someone because they're skin explodes. It works as allegory, "oh we should give people a chance and not judge them on appearances" but it doesn't work in a literal story sense because the situation is different.

>>150135080
A lot of that problem comes from cartoons just wanting to do Sentinels really early. Without a big mutant villain attacks, it kinda looks like humanity is really triggerhappy with making giant purple killbots.

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>>150126799
>When your Jewish genes overshadow your X-genes.

>>150135067
That would actually make for a nice few issues of both the X-Men dealing with something that usually is an Avengers problem which also could mean in turn the Avengers face an X-Men foe for a while and also is a way to setup a much more hopeful and optimistic new direction going forward where people are willing to accept them more as heroes and in turn also be open to mutant integration while still trying to be sure it meaningfully lasts or contrast the cynical view of teammates who seem like they still want the prejudice due to their paranoia. X-Men just feels way to miserable in how it's status quo is a cycle of prejudice and hatred that just feels cynical, Ironman Armoured Adventures the cartoon had a great guest episode where Jean Grey saves an anti mutant politician from Magneto and when he slags her off, the people at the rally turn against him for being blatantly ungrateful to someone who saved his life despite his prejudice. She still gets picked on by one shithead who was being mutantphobic earlier in the episode showing some people will still hold onto their views but they also show Pepper and Rhodey opposing on the mutant issue in a nuanced fair way that lets Pepper accept Jean later on which feels more real then anything in the books for decades.

>>150135084
It'd also be fitting since Annihilus whole deal is that ultimately he's an insanely paranoid creature that is scared of everything different to him since he thinks they might be what kills him in his obsession to keep his expanded lifespan the cosmic control rod gave him and so he operates on a get them before they get me mindset with a galactic tyrants scale.

>>150135137
You know, this in general makes Sentinels such a weird thing.
On one hand, they seem like perfect early villains: they're very simple robots which means you can spend your time developing the heroes while still giving them a decent threat to fight, but on the other hand, without buildup of mutant villains, Marvel civilians end up coming off even worse than usual (and they can already get pretty bad since sometimes it feels like they flip a coin to decide how they feel about a hero/team this week) and their big story is time travel related.

>>150126799
He's Epstein's benefactor.aapvj

>>150135080
I'm just waiting for the day when an X-men comic has a mutant oppression olympics a irl minority. At that point I'd feel the line is over, because the worst part is they'd be right, The Holocaust and every other atrocity in human history pales in comparison to what mutants have faced in like what five or six years thanks to the sliding timescale

>>150135137
X-men Evolution is the show that probably best handles the mutant metaphor. The other issue with it in the comics is a lot of these stories focus on Mutant prejudice as a bad insane mindset but neglect that it is essentially a cultural retaliatory strike since Magneto's insane race war declaration and mass murder sprees were the first impressions he gave of mutants beyond isolated cases of people discovering their X-gene perhaps with family, friends or a few strangers knowing as a consequence. Plus they also neglect that mutants have also been massacred by each other in the case of Cassandra Nova being responsible for Genosha or the Morlocks killed by the Marauders. Another idea they don't explore is Mutants that also have prejudice against other groups that are victimised minorities.

>>150135137
>>150135396

Sentinels as a concept are such a weird fucking idea.

>"Ah yes thank you daddy government, we as civillians do want the big killrape bots to hunt the kid with blue skin and take half the city with him as collateral damage!"

Like... What the actual fuck.

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>>150135284
God just give me
>Lower tier X-men vs Serpent Society
Just devolves into all out hand to hand mayhem just a fucking brawl
>Magneto gets racist again and has a rematch against Thor
Goes as good as it did last time

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>>150135491
In their original appearance they were privatized. What makes sentinels work the best though is that they always follow through with ironic machine logic.
>Mutants are humans therefore to stop mutants we must stop humanity.
>OH NO MY BLIND HATE HAS RUINED ME!

>>150135436
It's already happened, sorry to link to Reddit and it's not even the first time since Kamala Khan herself already before and after she's a mutant gets told she doesn't know about the experience despite being a Pakistani girl in America born after 2001.
https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1eb9c4o/like_mother_like_daughter_nyx_1/

>>150135453
I remember Evolution not being too bad about the whole mutant opression thing.
>>150135491
Eh, technically most of the time they're a more private thing. And fuck, even government agencies in Marvel can be infamously shady.

>>150135544
For a good chunk of Evo mutants were still kind of unknown.

>>150135519
>privatized
That's even more ridiculous...

There is no way the second ammendment includes giant fuckass robots.

>>150135535
None of that is what I'm talking about hell none of what you mentioned was in that page. Say what you will but the writers aren't THAT cooked at least not yet

>>150135568
There is no law saying you can't have a giant fuckass robot there for it is completely legal to have a giant fuckass robot. See citation Air Bud.

>>150135544
there is no fucking way the government would let a private robot army slide.

>>150135497
The X-Men have fought the Serpent Society a few times but it's always been disrespectful and jobbing out my fave snake themed villains. I wouldn't mind a a fight where they get to be portrayed well and also put the X-Men on the ropes a bit, alternatively could perhaps have the U-Foes fight some X-Men with Ironclad vs Colossus, X-ray vs Firestar(I see her more as an Avengers character but couldn't think who else fit), Vector vs Polaris or Magneto and Vapour vs Wolverine where it's just him horrifically getting hurt by someone he can't stab.

>>150135572
She did essentially call a black man a diversity hire while being a white woman which isn't good optics regardless.

>>150135587
I mean, they let Iron Man exist.
Sentinels are just really big robot Iron Men.

>>150135535
I am STILL waiting for an Alternative universe version of Kamala that is just a Fujo girlfailure, who needs to hide her "interests" from her ultra-conservative religious parents.

>>150135631
I guess there's Marvel Tokon coming out which has a cute Kamala in it probably with none of that since it's a fighting game first.

>>150135611
X-men opression olimpics never stops being funny to me...

JUST MAKE THEM THE BAD GUYS IN AN UNIVERSE... The 1% if you will. The priviliged people acting oppressed so to speak... Make them a grooming supremacist sexcult. Make them the worst version of themselves. "Oh we will take care oof your gifted child, Mrs. Brown."

HAVE BALLS, MARVEL.

>>150135519
I think they'd work good as an endgame of Magneto's race war shtick (alongside whichever anti-mutant rep you choose)
Basically both sides realising they let shit get way too out of control.

>>150135681
See this where I always felt the X-men should be. They're the middle ground. They're not with Magneto's idea of mutant superiority but they're also against the anti mutant movements but ideally in a more heroic way. Kick Bastions ass when he's attacking people but appeal to better humanity.

>>150135671
Having a universe where the X-Men are a metaphor for oppressive supremacist groups or organisations that prey on the vulnerable with a veneer of acceptance would've been the funniest thing to see how X-fans react.

>>150135749
Considering how badly they missed the point of Krakoa I think I'd be scared how they'd react

>>150135747
Sure sure. But I don't think redeeming Magneto is too much of a problem. As long as the story is willing to admit that while his reasoning is understandable, he went way too far with it.

>>150135809
I don't mind redeeming Magneto but he should not be a core X-men member. He needs to be a fourth party wildcard.

>>150135822
I can kinda agree with that. His powerset is way too powerful for a normal team.
Let him retire to Genosha/Asteroid M and just show up for the occasional big moment to help.

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>>150135747
Give me Magneto going like pic related when he wakes up one day and realizes all of his goons are goose stepping in Hugo Boss uniforms and there's red flags with a big ol black M on a white circle

>>150135749
Nigga that's what they've been for the last fifteen plus years and the fandom eats that shit right up

>>150135850
Be perfect time to have the Fenris twins pop up since they are Nazis and mutants.

>>150135863
Yes but I mean intentionally

>>150135809
>his reasoning is understandable
His reasoning has never been understandable. Every and I mean EVERY SINGLE FUCKING writer doubles down on the revolutionary aspects but they never explore how at the end of the day Magneto is always trying to jockey for power. He never just fucks off he's always trying to be King or at least Grad Vizier
>Xavier out of the picture
New Headmaster of the school
>AoA
Leader of the X-men
>Genosia
God King of Genosia
>House of M
God Tyrant of Mutant Kind
>Scott gets tough
Let me advise you my boy
>Krakoa
Right there playing second fiddle with Chuck
>Arrako
Instantly on the fucking Council there despite retiring
Magneto has ALWAYS been a power hungry whore, if there is power over others faggot is right there to either run things or exploit the dude running things and this has NEVER been explored

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>>150135918
I honestly think I'd like him just to be a proper bad guy again. The whole MUH HOLOCAUST origin has been worn thin. Yeah. He wore out the holocaust. Let that sink in.

>>150135763
>>150135863
>>150135892

Fuck it. If I ever get a job at marvel EVEN AS A FUCKING JANITOR, I'm gonna do it..

>>150135918
Some of that can be chalked up to it feeling kinda natural for him to get a high position. People are kinda biased as hell, and for many it would feel weird if he wasn't in some position of authority due to being a leader character.
Scott got away due to it being his turn to be the 'Leader who does morally questionable actions for the Greater Good'

>>150135981
What oppressive group in history would be the best influence on this version of the X-men's outfits?

I just want to say, fuck telepathic mutants!

>>150126799
Duh

The whole thing surrounding the aftermath of House of M is fascinating to me. As part of Wanda's insanity she took away a bunch of mutations but as far as I'm aware she didn't actually kill anyone, they just lost their powers, and for many of them that would be a blessing. But because of muh allegory the X-Men get all radicalised and start screeching about extinction
Then that whole thing ends with Wanda and Hope giving a bunch of random people mutations to reverse it and this is somehow supposed to be seen as a good thing

>>150127671
How is Xavier a segregationist and a supremacist?

>>150136062
Later books have people die contrived ways as a result of being demutified, honestly Wanda got really fucked over by the 2000's thanks to no one's fave bald headed fuckface.

>>150129111
Yes but mutants having a non-mutant child is relatively rate phenomenon and the fact remains that more and more humans will produce mutant children as time passes so ultimately there will come a time when humans either go completely extinct or become a minuscule minority in the world through biological evolution. That isn’t supremacist talk, that’s just biology determining that humans produce children who become mutants and eventually they no longer produce humans at all outside of one in a million chance due to genetic anomalies.

>>150134849
You do realize this page is set AFTER Orchis committed a mass genocide of mutants? Were they supposed to not retaliate?

>>150136112
They aren't liberating or even avenging on that page, they are conquering. Apocalypse is right there saying it's for mutant dominion.

>>150135749
>>150135863
Ok, hear me out,
>Magneto and Xavier as every Jewish stereotype, but played straight, from controlling the media and the narrative, to even being able to tell the EXACT amount of tip you need pay. They are the "Elders of Krakoa", with all the protocols.

>Have Logan be his Ultimate self, the one whose 250 years old ass tried to diddle the 14-15 years old Mary Jane. Have it be amplified tenfold.

>Have Scott be the "reasonable" gateway drug for impressionable young mutants to the supremacist pipeline compared to the other "radical" mutant supremacist... "Guys, don't worry I'm just fax and logic yes we mutants are superior and here are the facts, admiting reality doesn't make you racist!" you know, those kinds. He would even have videos where he is master-debating against confused college students etc...

>Emma Frost is the she-pedo to Logan's pedo, though her tendencies stem from a point of narcissism. She didn't mindrape the 15 years old boy into being obsessed with her because she likes them young, she did so, because he ignored how hot she is. Nobody gets to ignore her hot bod!

etc. you get it.

>>150129790
Rogue just didn’t control her powers because the status quo didn’t want to fix it. And now she does. She didn’t need a cure, she needed a way to learn control.

>>150136112
Yes that's my point they're still saying fashy shit despite fighting fascists themselves. It's the irony the writers don't even realize

>>150135995
they would most of the time just wear suits with bowties, unless they go undercover to make their opponents disappear. I imagine them operating like a secret society, so they wouldn't go for flashy costumes.

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>>150135946
>I honestly think I'd like him just to be a proper bad guy again.
Read John Byrne's X-Men Elsewhen then, just saying.

>>150136134
Not bad, honestly these are kinder villifications of these characters then actual alternate universe stories or even mainline books since there's actual intent and focus beyond shitting on a character. I think to make it work you'd need the main character to be a younger mutant character who intially gets dragged in but tries to escape once things start to get clearly wrong, wether it's an established Marvel character or one made for the story depends what would work best narrative wise.

>>150136109
The X gene was in humanity's gene pool since BEFORE the bronze age, If En Sabah Nur is to be believed, yet even after thousands of years mutants are still just a small minority in the Marvel universe, so no. They would have already "replaced" humanity by now. The X gene often goes dormant for generations.

>>150136194
>main character to be a younger mutant character who initially gets dragged in but tries to escape once things start to get clearly wrong
As long as I get a scene of Magneto reciting the 14 words and the MC going "oh fuck we're Nazis". The other guy's shit was too on the nose and too vitriolic, like 99% of the ideas in these threads

>>150136062
The High Evolutionary did the same thing a few years earlier. Just turned off mutations entirely because he felt that some people were better off without them. Of course the X-men didn't abide this. You know it's funny. The whole "hero has to fight to reclaim his powers so he can save the day" thing isn't uncommon but the X-men are the only time I've seen it done because they feel it's part of their identity and not as some greater responsibility. Any time there's a cure or a shut off or whatever else they need to fight it and damn what anyone else wants. And okay it's often part of some nefarious plot but once that's sorted is there really any reason to toss the cure out entirely? I'd at least like to see it put to a vote. And honestly let's for a minute assume there was no plot no danger and the cure was purely opt in. Then what? If mutation got turned off and not in a way that was getting people killed and everyone got to walk away happy what then? We shouldn't murder or hurt innocent people but what is the big harm if there are to borrow a phrase, no more mutants.

>>150136201
>yet even after thousands of years mutants are still just a small minority in the Marvel universe, so no

Actually yes because in the 20th century mutants suddenly start to increase at an exponential rate.

>>150136218
Sure but that could suddenly dry up. You can't call something evolution ahead of time. You can only look back see how things have changed and then point it out.

>>150136213
>Just turned off mutations entirely because he felt that some people were better off without them. Of course the X-men didn't abide this.

And it directly killed people like members of the NEO and made other people’s lives entirely miserable when their powers suddenly shut off and their mutation no longer made their body work.

>>150136194
yeah that woould be the idea. Also Hashtag NotAllMutants, there would be X-men members who wouldn't be evil, like Ororo. I just can't (neither do I want to) corrupt her in a way that wouldn't be a "The Boys" kind of "DeCoNsTrUcTiOn" I imagine she would be a genuinely good person, who actually believes in the cause and believes in the good mutants can do, but is kept in the dark by the powers that be, becasue Eric and Xavier know she would turn on the X-men if she figured everything out. She would be the face of the X-men, the one that gets paraded around to show how great the mutants are, she rises charities, gives inspirational speeches, helps the public etc.

>>150136234
Humanity’s ability to reproduce entirely could dry up too

>>150136134
>pedo this pedo that Jewish stereotypes this

So just a /pol/ comic then

>>150136211
Yeah, it'd have to work on the sense that it has to be like a real gateway to that stuff where on the surface it seems accepting or an outlet to vent about issues and like a community before the mask comes off. Hell you could have the Brotherhood be the more overt mutant supremacist group that is maligned and used as an easy scapegoat so the actual insidious recruitment can look more appealing.

>>150136260
Are we the baddies?

>>150136211
he wouldn't, he is smarter than that. And by that, I mean, he would add extra words.

>"Young man. I understand your doubt, but humanity wants us gone, so we must do something to ensure the survival of our species, and the future of mutant children. Children that the humans would slaughter in cold blood."

Or something like that.

>>150136258
Logan has been depicted of hitting on underage girls before.
Emma didn't just try to mindrape an teen Scott, but also broadcasted porn into a teen Jean grey's mind directly.

Also please refer to >>150135266 Eric and Xavier actually do that shit. Read some comics before bitching...

Quite literally yes which is why marvel trying to make him a hero never worked for me

>>150136245
Nightcrawler would probably be another unambiguously good character since....well it's Kurt, he's genuinely a great guy and the first Ultimate universe did him real dirty. Honestly Ororo could work since her mutation has no downsides and she prides herself on it genuinely, you could have it as a character flaws since she doesn't understand the downsides personally but she is still a genuine person with good intentions and using her powers for the benefits of others growing up feeds into that.

>>150136260
yes, basically just take a page out of actual supremacist groups' playbook.

>>150136268
I'm surprised no one has yet done an actual edit of that with one of the X-men

>>150136310
yeah Kurt too. He could be manipulated because of his Christian beliefs. He genuinely believes that God has a plan for mutants or that God gave mutants these powers to serve some sort of greater good.

Also, remember, in Kenya, Ororo was worshipped as a goddess, so being put on a pedestal is not weird for her, which could provide a justification why she wouldn't catch up on what's going on.

>The virgin mutant identity complex
>The chad Janet will love me complex

>>150136322
That's because no X.-men would have the self-awareness to ask that question.

>>150136341
Could easily have Xavier be pulling some mind fuckery preying on Kurt's faith. I'm trying to think how to include Psylocke in this since I like her...well her design, the most I can think is having it be Betsy and Kwannon are essentially fighting for control over the body.

Honestly it says a lot how your actually factoring in character dynamics and history into this since so many of these pitches or even actual marvel au's take a very surface level approach or poorly flanderize one aspect of a character instead of trying to take characterisation elements in a different context.

The biggest question is in this hypothetical retelling, does the rest of Marvel's setting exist in some capacity or for tighter focus is it just X-Men like some of the cartoons or films.

>>150136383
>The biggest question is in this hypothetical retelling, does the rest of Marvel's setting exist in some capacity or for tighter focus is it just X-Men like some of the cartoons or films.

Okay, I am actually going to reveal my autism level here:

All these ideas I pitched are from a Huge Marvel AU I have been working on for the past one and a half year. So yeah there does exist a larger setting out there. A lot of things got reimagined, Including but not llimited to:
>Doom is a Good guy.
>The current red skull is an albino mexican turned white supremacist after he goot bullied by other brown and plack kids for his condition.
>Klaus Cassidy as the Punisher.


I am gonna probably get a lot of shit for what I'm gonna say next, but it all started out as a Spiderverse-shitpost thing but autism got the better of me as usual.

>>150136308
what d you mean? he is clearly the good guy :clueless:

>>150128856
>It's not like a kid stops being someone's kid when they become a mutant.
Not even when the X-Men land their jet outside the parents' home and take the kid away to get indoctrinated? And possibly have their telepaths make the parents forget they had a kid?

>>150133557
People need to bring this up every time someone simps for Magneto.

>>150134234
>Then over Claremont's run he added the Jewish Holocaust victim backstory and he became a redeemed villain, anti hero.
The problem was that he wasn't "redeemed". After 20 years of trying to kill the X-Men since they were teenagers, he thinks he's actually killed Kitty, has a WHAT HAVE I DONE? moment and just reveals he was in the Holocaust and gets to quit being a villain and we're all meant to feel sad for him, and the X-Men take him in.

1990s X-Men had a better take on it where the backstory informed his actions, but he was still a villain, and too far gone to be redeemable. The 1980s comics and everything since the mid 2000s have treated his backstory as a get out of consequences free card, and it's even worse in the modern era, because he has the blood of millions on his hands, instead of just having attempted to kill millions.

A guy like Juggernaut who robs banks and fights superheroes for money or for grudges is the kind of villain you can redeem. A mass-murdering terrorist who wanted to kill or enslave the human race, and only valued "his own people" if they were loyal pawns and soldiers isn't redeemable, no matter how awful his childhood was.

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>>150136244
>it directly killed people like members of the NEO

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>>150133483
In general the mutant metaphor makes no sense cause it ignores all culture language and espacially patriotism/nationalism people have. Why the fuck would a Pakistani mutant ever think they are the same as a hindu mutant from India simply cause they both bring shame to their family for having the X-gene. Both are thaught to hate the other and the hindu mutant likely was walking along with the crowd to lynch indian muslims whenever that happens. They would never be using their mutant powers. Now take it even more extreme and have a X-Men tell some palestinian he needs to go to Krakoa alongside several Israeli mutants to live there together. The fact that every single X-Men with any political power is an american would be enough to start attacking them on sight due to thinking its just another method by Israel to kill them.

>>150135615
The Mark 1 and 2 Sentinels built by the Trasks in 60s comics were basically built in secret and nobody knew about them until they were unveiled, and proceeded to break their programming and go rogue immediately.

The Mark 3 Sentinels in the 70s started out as a military project. When the military were going to shut them down because there wasn't really any 'mutant threat' at the time to justify it (There were less than fifty known mutants on Earth, Magneto and the Brotherhood had been turned into babies at the time), Steven Lang took funding from the then-human run Hellfire Club and went into action without authorization.

We don't start seeing the government funding the Sentinel program until after the Dark Phoenix Saga, when the X-Men attack the Hellfire Club building in the middle of a party being attended by a lot of important politicians and the 1%. Mutant violence was suddenly threatening the ruling class, and something had to be done. And it was Shaw, secretly a mutant himself, who convinced them to fund Sentinels.

Even then, the Sentinels were just being stockpiled like nukes were, for use in case things escalated to a full scale race war. The modern comics like to pretend Sentinels were constantly patrolling the country to exterminate mutant teens as soon as they got their powers, like in the opening arc of Ultimate X-Men, but it's just not true.

>>150128856
In a sane universe you would be right, but Marvel universe has shown parents disowning or killing their kids when they find out they're a mutant.

>>150136872
It is SO retarded. Marvel KNOWS it is stupid a d unrealistic so they made a god of racism just to justify this shit.

>>150136888
There was no need for Sublime to justify anti mutant racism, Marvel civilians being irrational assholes was a reasonable explanation for that.

>>150135747
X-Men was at it's best when they fought evil mutant villains a lot more often than they were fighting le evil human bigot strawmen. When we moved to "the mutant community" as one mass bloc of NPCs united behind the X-Men's leadership, with 'hero' and 'villain' distinctions not mattering anymore, and the villains of the story being "the humans", things had gone badly wrong.

>>150135809
>But I don't think redeeming Magneto is too much of a problem.
Having some of his followers realize the errors of their ways and find redemption is fine, but Magneto himself was too far gone even before Claremont gave him any backstory. And the X-Men taking in the man who started a race war, the very face of mutant terrorism, and repeatedly protecting him just sent a terrible message to the rest of the world.

Wakandan women owe me sex.

>>150136956
The X-Men are no strangers to protecting groomers and terrorists.

>>150136483
I am not gonna give you shit, anon. This already sounds better than anything marvel shat outing the past 5 years. Except Ultimate Black Panther and Ultimate Spider-Man.

>>150136105
Bendis, along with Brevoort and Quesada really ruined Wanda in ways that are unforgiveable, but the "people actually died from losing their powers" came from X-books by Jenkins and Claremont, with Claremont even trying to have the Decimation affect the entire multiverse, though Marvel quickly walked that back by just ignoring it. They made things worse than it ever needed to be, for the sake of additional misery porn, and to this day there are still fans angry about the deaths of these mutant NPCs who never existed in comics prior to their deaths being announced, in a way no fans care about civilian/NPC deaths in other big dumb event comics, because this time it was mutants, and there are fans who take anything bad happening to mutants personally, even NPC mutants who were made up just to die.

Instead of this just being a stupid event that gets move on from and rightly forgotten, it got treated like an open wound, and poor Wanda got misrepresented as an evil genocidal hate criminal who can never be forgiven, all because she had the misfortune of getting used as a plot device for a failed attempt to fix X-Men that immediately went off the rails, just in a different direction. It really seemed like Marvel thought they could just destroy one of the main Avengers heroines and never use her again, and they may actually have succeeded if Whedon didn't want her in the MCU so much.

>>150136483
Your all good mate, made some Serpent Society OC's that I commissioned art for named Sea Krait, Titanoboa and Mamushi thanks to a bunch of threads plus spitballing ideas in an Apocalypse thread that I changed the topic to my Serpent Society hyperfixation. Later on next got hyper fixated on Rita Demara and commed art of her solo plus paired up with Hank Pym plus just ideas for if I did a Hank Pym run or had him on an Avengers team he leads. I've not yet done a full on AU/my own take on Marvel but I've always had odd story ideas, discussions and general ramblings about a lot of Marvel here so always nice to see people also be creative. I don't mind you elaborating on the ideas you mentioned

>>150136973
Mystique, Sabretooth and Emma are the other real big WHY ARE THEY CONSTANTLY PROTECTING THESE PEOPLE? problems. But Emma has an army of simps as bad as Magneto.

>>150137020
Aye as a Hank Pym fan I know the pain, I quite like Wanda but I missed most of the stories that really screwed her over. Ironic Claremont helped slander her considering the issue which was just him throwing a fit over Avengers #200 which is a bad story but his response was just salt on the wound honestly.

I'm at least happy Scarlet Witch despite some hurdles has managed to bounce back from that story plus the X-fans wanting to lynch her for the crimes of Bendis. Honestly I think getting her away from mutant stuff and having her focus more on Supernatural stuff or her relationship with Vision is much better direction for Wanda.

>>150129390
I think the only "mutants win" timelines we've seen are "Apocalypse wins" hellhole timelines.

>>150136952
No, anon. Mutants' own actions were a reasonable explanation for everyone hating mutants.

>>150133293
>That one panel
Yeah, and it was part of a great X-Men story. A type we'll probably never get anymore.
>shows you the X Gene makes you turbo retarded
Considering current day writing? Yeah.
I really wish there were exceptions to this current rule.

>>150127596
they aren't
>>150126818
no they haven't

>>150137069
An industry veteran like Claremont really should have known better, I don't know what he was thinking, even if newer writers were playing along with it. He even ended up ignoring the multiverse stuff himself for his run on Exiles, but some readers still act like it's canon because Marvel never officially retconned it, they just stopped mentioning it, and produced lots of stories that obviously contradicted it.

Unfortunately even now there are still X-Men fans that seethe about Wanda over that one story. And her current mini with Vision has just one issue left to finally pull the trigger on getting them back together, else the whole thing was just Marvel teasing fans again.

Writing Magneto as actually a super reasonable cultured guy who was right the whole time is just shit IMO
he's an israeli. he's someone who believes trauma of the past is enough reason to do whatever the fuck he wants.
it's a little more complicated because they keep making marvel world human governments complicit in hyper mutant genocide over and over again but it's written in a really disjointed and uncompelling way and is just an excuse for the x-men to have pain so idk

>>150137061
Remember how Emma killed Firestar's pet horse

>>150137318
Marvel is so weird about how they'll stick with universally reviled ideas, retcons, developments and gladly rush to undo ones that are largely well received.

>>150135491
You only see government Sentinels starting in the 80s and they're all destroyed by the 00s. Use by the government was also selective and on a case-by-case basis with only two mass deployments: Operation Zero Tolerance and Kang Dynasty.

>>150137612
Operation Zero Tolerance was an unsanctioned rogue operation that ended with Bastion getting arrested by SHIELD, and then imprisoned without trial when they found out he wasn't human. And the Sentinels deployed then weren't even the usual big ones the government knew they were funding. Bastion had a secret lab turning amputees into cyborg sleeper Sentinels.

>>150136772
It gets even funnier when you remember that Kitty is Jewish as well, so Magneto's remorse is over another Jew instead of all the innocent humans and muties he had tried to kill before

>>150137612
Kang just smugly waving his hand and redirecting the Sentinels back was fun.

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>>150136073
>How is Xavier a segregationist and a supremacist?
He lives in a gated compound surrounded by automatic gun turrets and all the kids in distress he abducts, he puts through paramilitary drill and has them break off contact with their parents.

>>150136245
Storm is pretty easy, she's a self-aggrandizing narcissist. Within canon she already claims divinity and prior to joining the X-Men allowed a cult to form around herself due to her weather powers. Storm would be the grifter type.

>>150133483
Ah, but what about when your friends, family and everyone who's sold you burgers immediately starts hating you for being a mutant? You're a character in a Marvel story now, so you know it's gonna happen.

>>150136739
Are you gonna actually address my point

>>150136772
>The 1980s comics and everything since the mid 2000s have treated his backstory as a get out of consequences free card, and it's even worse in the modern era, because he has the blood of millions on his hands, instead of just having attempted to kill millions
The "Magneto is an Israel" metaphor is even more pertinent today. You'd think people would be more receptive to realizing how shit the character and all the writing around him is

>>150136984
>Except Ultimate Black Panther
My man. Ult BP is criminally slept on. I will admit that it's first arc was weak as fuck but the last few have been pretty damn good, a marked improvement from Hill. It's a B tier book but it's also the best Black Panther if not first good Black Panther book since Man Without Fear/Most Dangerous Man Alive almost fifteen plus fucking years

>>150137061
Mystique too, Christ I hate that Kurt and Rouge want to hang around her instead of cutting that blue bitch off for good

>>150137338
Marvel writers are the kind of writers who would have Magneto make thinly veiled criticisms of the Israeli action in Gaza while completely ignoring the parallels with the character

>>150137725
Jesus Christ, artist's thinly veiled fetish mutch

>>150136073
the brain dead jokes in this thread are simply claiming that co-existence is impossible, everyone knew it, and thus Charles Xavier was lying out of his ass.

the people in this thread are the Nazis. that's literally the a major part of the answer that Adolf Hitler came to with his jewish problem.

>>150133523
Beast was at his best as an Avenger and they torn him down.

>>150137061
In her defense, Emma did have an actual turnaround in her life up through Generation X. She's totally regressed since then of course and should be tossed off a cliff, but it was considerably more earned than anything they've ever done with Mystique. Mystique's ONLY decent "hero" run was when Forge put a shock device in her head and forced her to work for X-Factor.

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>>150135568
Looks clear to me.

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>>150129323
Only because of magical tampering by Agatha Harkness, The Red Skull, Dr. Strange and Dr. Doom all helped to brainwash the Scarlett Witch who in extreme emotional distress turned her powers against her people and later herself.
>>150129390
House of M

>>150126799
What kind of dumbass AI generated question is this

>>150133557
Easy on the self antisemitism, Magneto...

>>150126799
He's now accepting of transmuties. Still hates "flatscans". It's a joke.

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>>150136963
t.

>>150135497
Looks like he grabbed him by his dick and threw him. Ouch.

>>150136822
Honestly , as a Non-Anglo Mutant , I would assume the X-Men and their Krakoa are just an invention of the US and England to impose Anglo Colonialism , since everyone on Krakoa speaks English and acts like a Neo-Liberal Anglo .

>>150139548
Scarlet Witch is not Magneto's daughter

>>150138959
>People criticize a comic
>Say they are Nazis
Why don't you stay with twitter, your brand of delusion might be more welcome there

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>>150126799
What? Yes, that's his entire deal!

>>150142664
Do they need to start branding this sentence on the inside of Marvel writers' eyelids until it sinks in?

>>150144167
Are you trying to tell us you don't want it to be any other way?

>>150144167
You acting like this is a problem with just Marvel writers and not basically the entire fanbase.

>>150138903
I mean Erik isn't really a skinny old man.

>>150145157
he's average by cape standarts

>>150129427
does this guy still have his genitalia, or did they dissolve into the rest of his gel body?

>>150126818
the x-men are not mutant supremacists, they just want a homeland for their people and make sure a genocide of their people NEVER happens again.
Why don't you try going to NYC or LA? There are alot of nice mutants there, and I hear they make some nice mutant-friendly bagels.

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>>150136772
Comics continuity changes all the time when new creative teams come in. People like yourself seem to push this static version of affairs and get mad when some changed was liked by people. Many of your favourite things in comics were probably originally a change like this that angered some people because some of it didn't make sense. All I remember is the Kurt Busiek letter complaining about Dark Phoenix and Claremont replying one man's dark age is another man's renaissance. For me your problem isn't X-Men or writing, it is the format of the superhero comics itself and how things change. You'll forever be saying it doesn't make sense because Magneto did x, y and z. Continuity shouldn't be a straitjacket, so tight that nothing can happen, neither should it be so loose that nothing matters. The stories of Magneto joining forces with the X-Men did look at his past crimes and when he became a villain again it wasn't as interesting for people. It just feels like you don't like superhero comics melodrama and that's fine but I don't get why you're here.

>>150144394
If it wasn't obvious, no, I do not want Wanda and Magneto to be related. Nobody should have ever been retconned into being children of Magneto, it doesn't do anything positive for them, and it doesn't do anything to make Erik and Charles seem less gay either.

>>150144543
What the X-Men fandom want for Wanda shouldn't matter any more than what Hulk fans would want for Wolverine, FF fans would want for Madrox, or Iron Fist fans would want for Sabretooth.

>>150126799
Magneto is the perfect allegory to jews in modern times.

>>150128176
By all accounts neanderthals were superior to us, perfectly capable of building things like us but a lot stronger than us, a lot more durable, a lot more wild, they were the ultimate combination of nature wildness and human adaptability and yet they are gone, why do you think that is.

>>150145949
>the x-men are not mutant supremacists, they just want a homeland for their people and make sure a genocide of their people NEVER happens again.

And that nation should also be allowed diplomatic immunity and the freedom to do whatever it wants wherever it wants while harboring terrorists and pointing nukes at everyone who looks at them cockeyed.

wait a sec... are mutants... kikes?
have mutants been reinvented to be a jewish allegory propaganda?

>>150146108
Thing is, it's not just an X-Men fan thing. Wanda (and Pietro) being Erik's kids has been a fun fact for way too long.
It's like the Luthor retcon for Superboy.

>>150146088
Anon, you can argue "continuity shouldn't be a straightjacket" all you want, but a new writer shouldn't be able to just throw out everything about a character's established personality, motivations, etc, and do whatever they want. If the writers have that much freedom, "nothing matters" just as much as if they were locked into being unable to change things at all. You personally may prefer Magneto being a good guy, but within the context of the character having existed for 20 years before, it's an utterly moronic change. "But I like it better and I think the original character sucked anyway" isn't the argument guys like you think it is, it's an argument for why the writer should have just created an OC that has the personality he wants and doesn't have all the history he doesn't want to have to deal with. It was the 1980s equivalent of when Iceman suddenly got a new personality after Benis turned him gay.

>The stories of Magneto joining forces with the X-Men did look at his past crimes
And pretended his motivations for those crimes were completely different than they actually were, while also letting him completely get away with them, and asking us to feel bad for a monster because of his childhood.

>>150146164
>why do you think that is
Because we fucked them into "extinction", instead of killing them we integrated them into our DNA granting them a form of immortality

>>150146618
That retcon was ass too. Just a fanboy writer making his fanfic canon. The longer Marvel and DC last for, the more it becomes obvious that writers shouldn't be allowed to retcon the backstory, parentage, identity, race or sexuality of any characters they did not create, not for any reasons ever. Retconning a character into being related to More Important Character is never "a fun fact", it almost always just harms the character.

Some of you may disagree, but eventually every one of you will live to see a character you love get ruined by some retard thinking he can overrule the people who created that character.

Magneto is kind of right? People saying he's purely jewish miss the mark because Israel is literally fighting peasants and guerilla cavemen with modern tech. Meanwhile mutants are up against superpowered giant death-robots and super international organizations all the time that want them completely exterminated.

The allegory as criticism or defense of Zionism doesn't work.
He's more Malcom-X to Xavier's Martin Luther king than jewish question.

>>150148035
Magneto, and a lot of the high profile X-Men could end all life on the planet if they wanted to. Magneto himself has come close to doing so before, even Iceman almost did it once. Pretending that robots and international organizations of normal human guys are any real threat to them at this point just isn't really true.

It's worse when you take into account how people didn't even know what a mutant was until Magneto started a race war. He's not fighting back against oppression, he is the oppressor. He's the reason people hate mutants in the first place.

>>150127876
As opposed to what? Is there any way to avoid this that doesnt involve some crazy inverse eugenics fuckery?

One of the main themes in xmen is the idea that, yknow, if Neanderthals had somehow known they were going extinct and had nuclear ICBMs, it still wouldnt have given them the right to murder all the homo sapiens

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>>150145462
Is this alright.

>>150148035
>He's more Malcom-X to Xavier's Martin Luther king
People are STILL repeating this dumbassery really shows how little people know of both Malcom X and MLK. Like goddamn Malcom X was never about domination it was always self determination and self defence ACTUAL self defence not slaughtering everyone different from him like ol Magneton. Then went on Hajj came back, refuted NoI bullshit and started preaching a more universal liberation and the NoI and FBI killed him for it.
Magneto is and always will be a genocidal psycho, he'll tamp down on it but it will ALWAYS come back he is NOTHING like Malcom X and I hate how much this stupidity keeps getting repeated

>>150148244
The issue is most of the people posting here treat the "replacement" like they're on /pol/, they post about it like it's outsiders coming in and taking over and not people having kids with superpowers mutants replacing humans is the same kind of replacement as your kids replacing you

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>>150148373
With everything I know about the character those muscles are pure vanity probably made with his magnet powers. As we know Magneto has never 1v1ed anyone on his theoretical level and won dude would get rolled by pretty much anyone

>>150126818
Um ackshully sweaty that requires power + privilege

>>150135535
>Mutant religion

Wait, what the fuck? What the fuck was that? Straight up fucking narcissism? There's no way mutants had their own mugga 'gods'.

>>150148513
Isn't it, though? None of the 'good' mutants even from good old Stan's days were really human culturally or socially. They isolated themselves in Chuckie X's compound, huffing their 'superior' farts, and telling themselves they were the chosen people who'd inherit the Earth, a new master race for which humanity had to make way for.

Recent comics have made it all the more plain that the mutants want to replace humanity in exactly the manner that /pol/ boogeymen would. How many failed ethnostates have the mutants had now? Didn't they claim some non-Earth celestial body in the Sol System for themselves, on top of wanting to take over the Earth?

>>150146700
>Anon, you can argue "continuity shouldn't be a straightjacket" all you want, but a new writer shouldn't be able to just throw out everything about a character's established personality, motivations, etc, and do whatever they want
Read the sentence after that. I literally said:
> neither should it be so loose that nothing matters
Yes a writer shouldn't throw everything out so nothing matters. But was Magneto completely throw out? Or given an actual backstory where non existed before?

> "But I like it better and I think the original character sucked anyway" isn't the argument guys like you think it is
In the context of comics it is actually a much better argument than you think because pretty much all characters you like have had fundamental changes that when you look deeply into them, don't make sense. And when people say "it doesn't make sense" you are suspending your disbelief arbitrarily, because there is a lot of other stuff that you ignore. So yes, if you didn't realise: changes in comics more or less come down to "did you or didn't you like it" because they will never all make sense.

Iceman being turned gay is completely fucking different because it was a full retcon that ignored completely everything. Claremont didn't ignore something, he constructed a backstory and even had things mention Magneto's past crimes.

Every character has changed and it pisses some people off and others love it. We are not really talking about Magneto but the very nature of comics and some people understand that nature and others get mad over it. Golden Age Superman isn't like modern Superman, stuff changes, sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better, and not continuity will ever fully make sense.

>letting him completely get away with them
At this point, so many big universe ending stories. Does anyone have their hands clean when you take into account all continuity?

>>150149024
Your point being? We can still understand things in a meta sense, probably better than the writers and by extension the characters but people STILL post like the rise of mutants would be some "great replacement" dogshit. That or too many autists LARPing out their own IRL anxieties

>>150149232
How is this >>150135266 not "great replacement"?

>>150149955
Do you guys purposely miss the point. I'm talking in a meta sense where you're not LARPing or fucking reading what is obviously a villain speech in a half backed status quo that was killed in it's fucking crib before it could bear fruit

>>150130532
I've been mulling a similar idea for a long time. The character would be a semi-powerful mutant in a small rural town in America. Rather than be come dejected by the towns folk shunning him, he spends time using his powers to benefit the town, eventually gaining the trust and support of most of them. He would be found my Brotherhood mutants who dont accept that he is fine where he is and they proceed to wreck havoc in the town. In the end, the mutant would drive the brotherhood mutants out and tell them off for trying to make him think he's better than other humans just because of his powers and would go back to help rebuild his town. Its very bear bones but I do like the idea of independant mutants.

>>150150114
I have one myself
>Brotherhood show up in a remote South American/Asian/African community of mutants and humans living in harmony
>Magneto immediately sets up apartheid and elevates the worst of the worst mutants of said community in positions of power
>X-men find out and intervene
>First try to assist the rebels, and by assist I mean take over the rebellion while also trying to convince some of the mutants to jump ship to the X-men when things are all over
>Get kicked out due to many of the humans losing trust due to a Brotherhood infiltrator
>Fuck it, X-men stage a full on assault against Magneto
>Win but ultimately destroy a lot of the community through collateral damage
>X-men express horror and try to help
>All the humans as well as the mutants that didn't join Magneto tell the X-men to fuck off they've done enough for their community by dragging them into this dumbass war between Magneto and Xavier
Honestly the idea is more of a criticism of American Military Interventions by the way of the X-men

>>150148908
Ignoring Krakoa itself, the X-Men are a highly trained paramilitary strikeforce consisting of dozens of highly trained superpowered individuals with ready access to super/alien/future technology, controlling several multinational corporations, directly influencing international security agencies, and allied with an intergalactic space empire.

>>150133293
>despite not sharing a religion , culture , language , history or national identity

i have argued this point with many a mutant ethnostate fan, and it always ends with they never got a chance. the thing is, you know what they did connect with? drinking, fucking and killing. krakoa was hedonism island, and it was gonna stay that way due to none of the leaders having any idea how to lead a damn country

>>150133373
>Arguably the most accurate part of the X-men as a civil rights allegory.

how so in this context?

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>>150134875

yeah, that ship has sailed

>>150146164
They were nowhere near perfect. They were too bulky, and their arms were longer than their legs, making it impossible to do the one thing, gave a HUGE advantage to humans against nature: throwing.

>>150150850
The current generation just likes seeing people they deem "theirs" flex on the "others." There's no nuance or thought beyond YEAH TAKE THAT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME! Nobody answers or considers a higher sense of morality.

>>150127831
yeah same. I kinda like it.

>>150151169
the whiplash between we are humanities new gods and doing whatever the hell they wanted to this "all new" woe is me! its hard being a mutant arc should be breaking necks, but that awareness part of hardcore xmen fandom will always be a problem

>>150150375
>and allied with an intergalactic space empire.
Most of the Space Empires apparently have a "shoot on sight" policy because they continue to harbour the Phoenix, a known omnicidal entity.

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Remember that time when the X-men literally invented Goyslop?

>>150139286
Yup, pretty clear. As long as you're part of a well-regulated militia outfit you can have all the firearms you want to.

Giant fuckasss Robots are neither members of a well-regulated militia nor firearms.

>>150150114
>>150150231
Would also like one story where a mutant scientist is looking for a way to get rid of his own powers because the ones he was born with are more trouble for himself and everyone else than its worth it (and to make matters worse, he is slowly mutating the same way Beastman did). And if he succeeds he'd open the option to fix the life of those mutants who got the short end of the stick with the super power lottery.

X-Men however catch wind of this and try to stop the scientist. The scientist however goes on a rant over how he had enough of his powers being beyond his control, how he has enough to live constantly being careful not to activate them by accident else he kills someone near him, how it denied him a normal life and the capability to have his own family (the girlfriend he used to date dumped him and married someone else because of this). And now he is mutating further into some insectoid monstrosity because it seems his X-Gene loves to screw with him, hence why he is going to purge himself of it once and for all so damn thoroughly that if he does get kids then they won't be born as mutants.

Cyclops, Kitty and Storm go on about their speeches, only for the scientist to shoot them down with them winning the power lottery and thus having no rights to talk here. Rogue wants to protest but the scientist tells her that she at least can manage her powers and looks human. Then Beastman gets also torpedoed because he doesn't have powers that literally kill everything in proximity indiscriminately. One by one the X-Men get shot down by him and finally tells them that if someone in a situation like him then they should not interfere if they got the shortest straw.

It ends with the scientist purging himself and becoming human, as well as his inventions actually getting approval of the uglier side of mutantkind who now have a shot at life much to the X-Men's shock.

>>150140702
Is that Shuri?

>>150151577
>I do you a better one. The X-men still stop him. They don't care. A cure is a danger to them, and to the power they hold. "It Is OnLy A mAtTeR oF tImE bEfOrE hUmAnS fOrCe iT oN aLl Of Us"

This would show that the X-men don't care about mutans, only about their own power.

>>150151714
She is literally named by the guy, so yes. She is Shuri.

>>150151577
>>150151811(me)
they would even pull the leftie "internalized [self]phobia as a way to justify how he doesn't know what's best for himself.

I want mutant spremacists to bend me over and fill me with their superior genes while calling me a homo inferior.

>>150126799
He's a Zionist

>>150127671
I used to hear people say Xavier is MLK and Magneto is Malcolm X

>>150147903
So what you're saying is, we just need to find mutant gfs and breed their species into our own?

>>150147945
>but eventually every one of you will live to see a character you love get ruined by some retard thinking he can overrule the people who created that character
Punisher by Aaron for me. Frank is just a guy with a gun. Tying him to mystic shit is against the entire point of the character.

>>150151577
>>150150114
See here's the thing. A lot of your ideas have the same issue; Tell don't Show.
It's almost always a single individual mutant who is your mouthpiece telling the X-men all of your grievances with them. It makes for really shitty storytelling

>>150128176
This argument would hold more water if there weren't tons of non-mutie humans that could beat the shit out of the x-men.

>>150152477
No worse than modern storylines, to be fair

>>150153948
Why settle for "no worse"

>>150126799
Ask him what kind of woman he dates

>>150154087
Meant to say “not.” Seriously, the bar is pretty low. I’d rather see anons ideas published than another X-terminator book any day.

>>150149184
>But was Magneto completely throw out?
Considering that Magneto was created as a character who was Literally Hitler, cared nothing for his "fellow mutants" unless they were useful and loyal henchmen to him, and wanted to rule the world and enslave humans, a villain who was completely reprehensible with no noble traits or redeeming features, no, Claremont did more than give him a backstory, he completely changed everything about his personality and motivations, and tried to rewrite the narrative to make it like Magneto didn't start a race war and that all the problems mutants faced ever since weren't entirely due to him.

This isn't something you can handwave away with "it's just comics being comics" or "shut up, I like this better", it's irreconcilable as the same person, in a way that's fundamentally different to different eras having different takes on Superman, who's still fundamentally a hero with the core aspects of his character intact. Pulling "akshually the villain was the real hero all along" is nothing like that.

>Does anyone have their hands clean when you take into account all continuity?
There's a big difference between 60+ years of continuity meaning most heroes have been done dirty by one bad story and did stuff that had to be retconned or handwaved so the character could stay usable, and taking a Red Skull-tier villain with a decades of history of trying to kill millions and allowing him to get away with it all and nobody's supposed to care what he did anymore and now he's a hero. It seems disingenuous that you'd even make that comparison. If some idiot gave the actual Red Skull a sad backstory rooted in a real world tragedy, would you accept him being allowed to just quit being a villain and join a hero team?