>A superhero intervening in another countries affairs and doing their job Internationally is bad because... IT JUST IS OKAY
>>150147774OP can we just have normal threads and not shit that is a perpetual trolling as a means of inciting opposition and thus attention? Because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and not treating you like a 12 year old too stupid to understand the implications of such actions
>>150147774Yeah it is. Refer to my pic.
>>150147799I don't want to talk about politics. I just want to talk about SUPERHERO politics. I think its really interesting because superheroes are supposed to be international paragons and serve an ideal of humanity, but no existent entity in the world works like that so the entire idea is flawed enough that we run into these issues.
>>150147908OP superheroes are thanked for saving lives and the world, but they're not free of consequences and their actions are constantly under review given the implications. A metahuman like Superman just ignoring a complicated feud between two nations to intervene creations more issues because it becomes a debate of where his allegiances lie, as well as the concerning discussion of "What's to stop him from just doing whatever?" that created organizations like CADMUS. Then there's the ethical debate of collateral damage, who superheroes answer to, and accountability that led to stuff like Marvel's Civil War. Also if you wanted a real discussion, don't start a thread with meme shit like "le bad".
>>150147979>Also if you wanted a real discussion, don't start a thread with meme shit like "le bad".it's just a conversation starter. Writing a long essay or diatribe OP seems like a quicker way to get ignored
If superheroes stopped all the evils in the world then there story would end.
>>150147774The main takeaway is that it is good
If superheroes are willing to step out of bounds and break societal rules in order to achieve their ends, then it becomes a question of whether human society can or should tolerate their trespasses. If the United States declared war on Superman for his actions, how should he respond?
>>150148104But if a superhero from Norway or like idk Black Adam intervenes in the US, he'd be branded a criminal and terrorist. Isn't that hypocritical?
>>150148158Black Adam HAS intervened in American crime without being treated as a criminal and terrorist, so your assertion is incorrect on it's face.
>>150147774Why did they make Ultraman a Black Noir clone
Speaking of Black Adam, can we get a do-over for the DCU or has Dwayne Johnson effectively poisoned that well entirely? I don't mean like another solo movie, more like a side role where he's a Legion of Doom member at best. Gunn could do it just to piss off Dwayne>>150148239Because they're setting up Bizarro and wanted a clone reveal
>>150147774Would you feel the same way if it was superpowered foreigners flying into your country and doing whatever they pleased?
>>150148158I hate to break it to you sister, but if Red Son happened over the past 8-10 years, neither Elon nor Bezos nor Zuckerburg, Altman, et. al., is going to pull even a quarter Luthor to even think about pulling America's ass away from the boots of their new Communist overlord.
>>150148239He's a Superman clone actually. Black Noir is from a different intellectual property.
>>150147774It IS bad, because it's setting up unsettling implications far beyond Clark's intentions. The movie even directly shows this.It's crazy to me so many shills could praise this movie when it's clearly heading in a direction worse than the Snyderverse.
>>150147799For that he would need to care about the medium outside of what it can do for his retarded culture war.
>>150147774This is why the justice league is often connected to the UN
>>150148296>pretending to not understand he means the costume
>>150148319>UNImagine being such a cuck you connect with those useless fools.
>>150148239To keep his identity a surprise for people who don't know who Ultraman is.
>>150148328How would Lex even copy the Black Noir costume? He's never even seen it before. Stop being stupid, anon.
>>150148275If I was a native of the District of Columbia and some super-powered character from another country offered to come and free us from from the federal and outside military take over of my/our home town, I'd be all in favor of it and I'm sure most of my neighbors would as well.
Corrupt individuals in his own country were influencing and aiding the war so even if you can't stop war crimes in other countries because... you just shouldn't okay, it still involves the US
>>150147774Am I secretly gay if the first thing I noticed in this pic was Supes' bulge?
>>150148361
Anyone else really hoping the Legion of Doom happens?
>>150148302snydersissies, we'll be vindicated r-right?
>>150148341It's offers an excuse as to why their in a foreign country without people losing their shit and offers drama with countries that don't want them there but are dealing with shit beyond their ability for said county to handle.Superman arguing with countries to allow him to help gets old fast so and an agreement being in the background saves time for the shit we care aboutLike punching a super intelligent gorilla in the face or punching an alien starfish in the eye.
>>150148483>It's offers an excuse as to why their in a foreign country without people losing their shit and offers drama with countries that don't want them there but are dealing with shit beyond their ability for said county to handle.Grant Morrison was right about fags like this
>>150148275What if it was like a legal exchange? Like China or Japan paying Superman to come fly over and protect them from Godzilla weekly, although he now sort of occupies your country because your superheroes suck. Would that be viewed with the same disdain? Even as the alternative to letting Godzilla and kaiju every week destroying everything?
>>150148065NTA but using “le” or “heckin” in any capacity immediately outs you as a massive faggot
>>150147774It's bad because the interests of the US and the billionaires that fund them aren't represented and are often opposed by actions like these. Lex explained that while he was arguing with Superman.>I'm saving you!>"you're killing us!"Then at the end the US government realizies Lex was right and they don't have the power to do what they want to maintain their advantage and status quo. If Superman decides to give back to the natives or create better labor conditions for kids gathering cacao, it's over.
>>150147774They should've had Luthor selling lab created metahumans to Boravia. Get some obscure villain cameos in there and give Superman and the Justice Gang something to beat on other than some tanks and jeeps.
>>150148638It's a good thing I didn't use either of those words then
>>150148510>A handwave on the level of a Bat credit card is too much.Shit we better get rid of Batman's company too, can't have a excuse for all his expensive toys.
>>150147774Why is the bulge so huge
>>150149655A. Big jockstrapB. Superpeñor
>>150147799Fpbp
>>150147979It's idiotic to not want to stop an obvious mass slaughter just because the politicians who hate and exploit you, are involved in the aggressor country's business. Superman has the power to ignore their policy and knows he has the moral obligation to stop it.
>>150149655That's a normal bulge, microfags
>>150148377>secretlyAnon, you are a flaming faggot living your entire life in a glass closet. Everyone you know knows you're gay.
>>150147774>Superman is an american symbol>everyone cries and moan and shits themselves when the USA interferes in international issuesIt checks out.
>>150150366>normal
>>150147774It's all about control and maintaining power. The US government doesn't like it when someone/another nation display equivalent economic/political power as them. Hence why they usually always claim the opposition as the enemy and something that needs to be eliminated or control. And in the case of Superman (2025), it's the superhumans that resolved an international conflict and eliminated a controversial world leader that was considered an ally/asset in the region.
>>150148158>>150148206Wasn't Black Adam even part of the Justice Society of America for a little while?
>>150147774It's more about SUPERMAN being the one who did it, a LOT of superheroes would have not faced so much scrutiny especially because of most of them being way lower profile. This one moment of Superman being too humble to see his name being way too big to act rashly will have lasting consequences on the DCU as governments began to fear the influence of metahumans in a very racist way.Well to be fair it was Luthor who started the whole thing because predicably world leaders already account for Superman's existence in their ambitions for conflicts. Also remember the Boravia-Jarhanpur conflict is an amalgamation of America's Middle-Eastern "peacekeeping missions"(lmao) and the Russia-Ukraine war.
>>150150221>international politics matter more than individual livesthe implicit message that superman should uphold boundaries more than lives always results in supercucks who have to beg daddy president to sign a paper every single time he goes out to save someonethis ends up being just as politically messy as superman just going out to save lives because this now makes superman showing up an explicit gesture to another country with the implict "we can stop him from coming next time" as a way to enforce state power
>>150148352From day one of him being called Ultraman, everyone knew it would be an alternative version of Superman.
>>150147774Yeah fuck having laws & borders & shit!
>>150150871are laws and borders so sacrosanct that you are compelled to allow people to die to uphold it?
>>150147774> You DON'T UNDERSTAND! You HAVE to let a bunch of unelected, jewish nepo babies decide the fate of global conflicts because.... because you JUST DO OK??????
>>150147774Explain to me logically why invading inferior brown nations is bad.
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>>150150931Certainly, please see pic related.
>>150147774Why is Lex ok with a galactic police force monitoring Earth with 3 super human agents that hold infinite power
>>150147774because everytime superman tries to interfere in political affairs both foreign & domestic all the superfags cry about him being a dictator.
>>150147774Yes because Superman is too dumb to be deciding geopolitical affairs
>>150147774remember intervening in Iraq and Afghanistan with no real plan of how to continue intervening and then what happened when we stopped
>>150147828GOD I WISH MYSTIQUE TOLD ME THIS AS SHE GROWS FATTER SOFTER BUT ALSO TINIER BUT HEAVIER AS FUCK AS SHE JUMPS ON MY PEEPEE THING AS I CRY "PLEASE YOU WILL BREAK MY PELVIS MISS PLEASE STOP AAAAAA!"
>>150147774any non retarded country/system will automatically turn hostile towards anonymous vigilante with emense power and without normal name and address and it won't be "they are just retarded bigots" either
>>150147774>Superman lasers Nicolás Maduro to death
>>150147908That entire concept is retarded because you don't have a shared valid morality system between any two people who exist. A superhero is just a person so selfish that he imposes his own personal morality on other people.
>>150150685This. It's not just a shallow rivalry for power either, there are trillions of dollars and the status quo first world comforts that supports. If America had a bleeding heart superhero standing up for the people globally, how are we to appease our billionaires and the expansionism of our allies?
>>150148158Ice is literally from Norway and she's welcome
>>150148127>If the United States declared war on Superman for his actions, how should he respond?Thusly.
>>150153338>Ice is literally from Norway and she's welcomeI'd welcome her, if you know what I mean.
>>150147774Why do you comicsfags even bother with modern capeshit?>The MCU should’ve ended with Endgame but Disneys still milking the shit out of it and forcing MCU geeks to buy from their services to catch up to it>The Sony Marvel universe is nothing but pure slop like Morbius and Madame Web>DCs movies are more misses than hitsCapeshit died in the 2010’s
>>150147774Because Americans think that morality is being more like America. Lex is gonna Soros that whole region.
>>150150890>You HAVE to let a bunch of unelected, jewish nepo babiesSuperman is a jewish power fantasy you retard
>>150154765>pure slop like Morbius and Madame Webfiltered
>>150154841Once you understand capeshit is an inherently jewish genre since its origins, everything starts making a lot more sense.
>>150155222Make sense of it. I'm being told that media featuring ugly, weak people is jewish by one group and being told that a beautiful Superman who is super powerful and strong is also jewish. I've been told escapism and anti-escapism is jewish. I'm starting to think blaming jewishness is just thought termination for people who don't actually want answers, they want someone to blame. They aren't curious, they're coping.
>>150155478>I'm starting to think blaming jewishness is just thought termination for people who don't actually want answers, they want someone to blame. They aren't curious, they're coping.That in itself is a cope because all you need to do is look at the names involved.
>>150155711But what's making sense? It's one thing to say it has jewish origins in that they were made by jews, but what about it is supposed to make sense about the genre?
The message behind the movie was that it's only bad if Superman does it. If Hawkgirl and Green Lantern do it it's ok
>>150155769That it's a vehicle for subversive propaganda disguised as entertainment and has been since its early years.
>>150155778Unironically true. Superman has to wrestle with morality and has to be confident that he is doing as little harm to the world as possible while helping it as much as he can. The Justice Gang doesn't care so much about being good, kind or careful, they don't apply those standards to themselves and we don't apply those standards to them, so they're allowed to get away with shit that we would wring our hands over if Superman did them. The movie highlights why we need both types of hero, the collateral damage quippers who stop at nothing to beat the bad guys and the authentic good guys who refuse to forsake their principles no matter the stakes.
>>150155884>jews>supporting a Superman who would protect the Palestinians against IsraelBased.
>>150147774It would've been much more questionable if said international conflict was not set up by Luthor to make people hate him.
>>150155943I mean in universe. The movie opens with Superman being beaten up by (Ultraman/Bizarro masquerading as) a Barovian superhero angry that Superman interfered with their affairs. The citizens even tell Superman that maybe he shouldn't have interfered. Lois Lane grills him in private over whether or not he went through the proper channels and thought about the international incident he was potentially creating. He is raked over the coals for threatening the president of the country with a cactus. But Green Lantern wipes out their whole army and Hawkgirl literally kills their president and nobody seems to care. The sequel better acknowledge this in universe inconsistency
>>150156014The movie didn't cover it because the movie wasn't interested in exploring how those sorts of characters react to consequences for their actions, it was only interested in exploring how Superman handles those moral quandaries with his moral compass.So it didn't spend its limited screen-time on the consequences that the Justice Gang will face. I'm pretty sure Gunn has said that there will be consequences for their actions, but they're just not relevant to the themes of that film.
>>150154765>The MCU should’ve ended with Endgamepeople should just admit that RDJ & evans carried the whole of "The Infinity Sagaᵀᴹ" and the problem isn't the writing & characters (after all most of that shits been there since day one) but more that they built a billion dollar film franchise around two actors who aren't around anymore and they have nobody to fill that void.
>>150148127>If superheroes are willing to step out of bounds and break societal rules in order to achieve their ends,You mean like vigilantism, breaking and entering, criminal stalking, aggravated assault and the many, many other crimes that every superhero commits on a regular basis?
>>150148239>Black Noir cloneincultured tardo its worse
>>150147774He's using his powers to ignore the sovereignty and laws of normal humans, that's why it's "wrong" , and it's why Batman often sperges out (even though he's a hypocrite)
>>150147774>Superheroes should be above regional lawsBASED BASED!!Even the lanterns respect the local laws everywhere they go
>>150156863What kind of hard drugs are needed to cause that thousand-yard stare?
>>150157263An undying hate for Superman.
>>150157364Also being British (tragically incurable)
>>150147774When did we forget the good ol' "mind your own fucking business"?
>>150147774Metahumans involving themselves with politics will only just accelerate the metahuman arms race. If Superman can just ran arround or corporate backed metas can just assassinate presidents without consequences, then everybody is going to to need their own metahuman militias to deal with them. Funnily enough the Ultimates (the good one not the tankie slop) covered this one pretty well.
>>150157699Being Br*tish is not a disease. It's a flaw of character.
>>150157745Minding your own business kind of conflicts with the basic idea of altruism and vigilantism.
>>150159640>conflicts with>>150157745>mind your own fucking businessThis was never any kind of Golden Rule, zoomie
