Why is it so hard to make a good cartoon about him?
We already 4 good cartoons OP>Underground>Satam>Boom>Adventures
>>150155007Hardcore fans expect too many different things out of it.Boom was great for doing it's own thing even if the games from that era weren't particularly good.
>>150155018Well, two of them anyway.
>>150155018>Underground
I didn't hate Prime season 3. Making Nine the final boss was a neat twist.
>>150155292Boco, bend over and let me give you the Poophole Loophole.
>>150155328Yes, underground. Once you get past the voices it's decent enough.
>>150155007He's impossible to write, he's too bland and formulaic and fan outrage/Japan autism about the tiniest hint of character development nor an OOC action doesn't help either
>>150155417>BlandSonic's character is that he's a smartass.
>>150155382Thats gay, dude.
>>150155359I had to do this a long time ago and I'll do it again. Prime is ass. >It's a kids showAh, so that's even more reason for me to criticize it since it's telling a story with a lesson to children,>Sonic is arrogant, doesn't listen to his friends, shatters the universe.>Shadow attacks him out of nowhere at the start of the firs episode, the show tries to make him look like an ass from the beginning. But once you finish watching the show, it's clear why Shadow already had it out for him even before Sonic destroyed the universe.>Sonic destroys the fucking universe.>Is completely indifferent about it while Shadow is understandably pissed and refuses to take it seriously.>Meets Nine.>Doesn't think of him as his own person, just thinks of him a "broken" version of Tails.>Treats the other variants as the same.>Doesn't actually care about any of their struggles (even when they were fucking starving to death), they are just a means to an end so that he can get the shards and try to fix everything on his own. Again, he is still technically ignoring his friends because his ego is still above all else. He sees them as such, afterall. >It's suggested that Nine had a really fucked life, and never had a single friend. This is totally where Sonic would come in, hear him out, and try to be his first genuine friend despite the current situation? >Wrong.>Sonic just sees him as a "broken" version of Tails, just uses him as a means to an end, then tries to manipulate him and then strong arm him into giving the shards back.>Nine literally has NO CHOICE but to fight back, as he has been made the enemy, to the point that the protags are even willing to team up with the Egg council, the very people who are mostly responsible for Nine having a miserable life.>Sonic eventually gets what he wants, Nine is strongarmed, and he doesn't even think about what's gonna happen to all of the variants even before it becomes clear that he's about to die.
>>150155007i'd really like an adventure cartoon with sonic
>>150156040>Everything kinda gets 06'd.>Sonic doesn't give a single crap about what happened or about the variants he left behind.>He learned nothing.Not only is this one of the worst interpretations of Sonic to date, here's the moral of the story... Don't listen to your friends, when you make a giant mess that effects everyone, continue to ignore them and make the decision to "fix" everything without their input, use others as a means to an end to get what you want and then just toss them aside, manipulate and bully a traumatized kid instead of trying understand them in order to get what you want, and then when you finally "fix" everything, you just don't worry about any consequences since you "fixed" it and are now "the hero" and you just keep doing the same thing over and over again.>But he destroyed his world why would he care about othersBecause he wasn't even taking this shit seriously for half of of the show and he still chose to be a massive cunt anyway.
>>150156040Sir, I just said I liked season 3, not the whole damn show. Sonic was annoying most of the time.
>>150155007Sonic as a character is boring but his fans won't admit it.
>>150155007because , he's technically an Anime character
>>150155018mediocre at best
It is not hard to do a cartoon on Sonic. One, the series does not need to be that long, and Two, have each of the episodes be standalones. Three, have the other characters only show up on curtain episodes, not all the time.
>>150155328Tamers version
>>150155359what twist
>>150155007Boom was the best one. It's basically like a King of the Hill sitcom on Bygone Island with Sonic and friends, a bunch of animal villagers, and a troll Eggman. Prime was kind of "meh." I want to see Knuckles, Tails, Rouge, and Amy doing stuff, not clones of them from other dimensions. It's kind of hard to make a good Sonic cartoon because of various ideas on what Sonic is supposed to be and how a cartoon should be written. Should it be serious or a comedy? What extent should the various side-characters have roles? Sonic games aren't all that consistent either. Sonic had a lot of flop games like Sonic 06 and Lost Worlds. The divide between American views of Sonic and Japanese views were always there since Sonic 2 vs Sonic CD.
Not enough feet to please the DeviantArt crowd that makes up about 65% of their fanbase.
>>150155007Action-adventure cartoons don't sell anymore unless they're taken seriously or have sitcom humour for toddlers. I liked Boom but it was a perfect example of the latter, and Sonic is never going to be taken seriously by western cartoon creators when even Japan sees it as kiddie-shit. On top of that there's like half a dozen completely separate interpretations of what the characters "should be" and Japan can't even keep things straight despite holding the franchise with an iron grip, which is why horsecrap like IDW exists.In short, it's not a case of it being hard, it's a case of the power brokers not wanting to care.
>>150159359The ongoing manga takes itself fairly seriously.
>>150158579Even Tamers abandoned Sonic Underground for ponies.
>>150159548There is no ongoing manga, it's a bunch of one-shots to advertise the newest games. Can't do that anymore in the west for cartoons unless you fund it yourself, which would be exponentially more expensive than one-shot manga.
>>150159649Blade of courage isn’t a one shot and is released monthly.
>>150155007Because they focus too much on the cartoon for kids aspect instead of making it cool and action packed as it should.
>>150155007SEGA hates doing anything cool with Sonic and wants brainless bing bing wahoo slop
wasn't the Borderlands style series good? I recall people saying it had good writing.
>>150155018>Underground>satam The fuck man, those are actually horrid sonic cartoons.The only legit good on from that time was advertures of sonic the hedgehog.
If I pitched the idea of Sonic and two pals going on a world-touring adventure stopping Robotnik's evil plans with the help of a guest character of the week, a lot of people would probably call it the best idea for a Sonic cartoon.Shame about the whole royal triplets, musical numbers, and animation budget the size of a thimble.
>>150162084Satam is fine. It’s the most generic saturday morning cartoon ever. Its worst sin is that it doesn’t follow the games at all.
>>150155018Do satam lovers still think it was agood show? Geez.
I love how nobody brought up Sonic X.
>>150162800That's a japan made anime
SatAm happened because DiC was only given barebones material
>>150163343AoStH was made at the same time and was far closer to the games. The SatAM team just didn't give a fuck.
>>150163513>hmm "dr. ROBOTnik" what could that design be>ah yes a wizard
Everyone has a small permutation of what they view Sonic as, some view him as a wacky toon, some see him as a cool shounen protagonist and others see him as nothing but an irreverent meme machine. This viewpoint leads to wildly varying wants and expectations when it comes to Sonic Media, it's actually exceedingly easy to make a cartoon about Sonic. Each series of shows or shorts do a perfectly fine job of portraying Sonic. But they're all very different in what they're going for.
>>150155007They already did they were called AOSTH and Sonic Boom.
>>150163657Shonen Sonic was definitely the best era for him storywise. Sonic Unleased, Secret Rings, Black Knight.
It's because of multiple factors...>SEGA>underdeveloped every characters beside the core 3 and eggman>Amy once an gag character has become an DEI checkbox given traits she shouldn't have in an "static" series>despite tails said to be as smart as eggman, tails does nothing but be an deus ex machina to the plot, no relevant inventions compare to eggman>knuckles has an rich lore to explore even despite PENDERS, but gotta stay on the island even when they have an out for him in knuckles chaotix (chaos rings)>eggman literally took over the world, where do you go from that?>blatant shadow wanking/coddling by Iizuka and SEGA>metal become a jobber of the highest scale, more than infinite and he only had one game>blaze is cucked by being attached to silver>FUCKING SILVER>muh classic embargo on mighty, ray, nack, and possibly honey>SOJ still beefing/seething with SOA over satam characters >rest of the underutilized cast has no reason to actually exist than be sonic cheerleaders>lacking of conflict not centered around vs. eggman or monster of the week>concepts like the special zone, The rings, time stones, Gaia, and humans are never utilized to an serious degree.sonicfan are worse>want an idealized version of sonic that is an impossible composite that be unrecognizable to everyone(muh wind, muh chaos)>want DBZ action and POWERLEVELS and superforms (not bad but has no build up to these things)>want le funny memes>ian flynn writing............>love interests and furry drama pic related, sonic can become western one piece IF it tried action/adventure correctly
>>150155007Cuz he fucking sucks
>>150155007Almost every cartoon he's in is good. The only people who hate them are "not muh" autists.
>>150155007Sonic X
>>150165347sonic x was garbage.garbage animation, even more garbage fights, most garbage Tails and Amy i've ever seen
>>150165357not to mention every plot is just Chris crying about muh Sonikku, Chris and sometimes Tails and Amy too get captured helplessly and cry to Sonic for help, then Sonic who's been running in a field all day and staring off into the distance like he thinks he's a deep anime character like Kenshiro comes running in and oneshots the bad guy, then Chris goes all sparkly eyed and tells sonic how wise and inspirational he is
>>150165204This. The franchise lacks much worldbuilding or anything beyond the usual final boss that's introduced and killed off each game.
>>150155007because he's not a good character
>>150162494>being a part of ecoterrorist freedom fighters has nothing to do with freeing animals from the robot slavery a totalitarian polluterK>>150162084>adventuresah yes, the zany cartoon slapstick that was way unique and special, because there were in fact not hundreds of zany cartoon slapstick shows that had already existed
>>150162084*SMACK*MONKEY NOISES*SMACK* Shut your fucking Zoomer ass and do not get me started on the gen-alphas.You want to watch what the 90s "comedy" adventures of Sonic was based off of? Watch The Bizarre Adventures of Felix the Cat. It's what Sonic's design is based off of.Now go, go and feed your fellow flock of gen-Zombies/Zoos this information and make it your religion to worship. >>150163513>>150162785Go obliviate that shitty comedy show from your head.
>>150165204>metal become a jobberMetal was always a jobber, think about what he actually accomplished in CD, nothing after it.>kidnapped Amy, as if Sonic potentially could refuse an opportunity to race when he literally has all the time in the world to do so>loses a race that was rigged in his favor with Amy being tied up, Eggman assisting with an instakill laser, the ability to fly faster than Sonic can run and briefly turn invincible>canonically died from flying into a wall, Eggman didn't bother taking his mangled body with him when the chains holding Little Planet were broken, so Metal also got abandoned
Your wish is my command
>>150155007because anime already did it
>>150165204Metal Sonic was always shit. Your perception of it is colored almost exclusively by the OVA, but in the games, it has never once come close to beating Sonic.
>>150167448He’s come close various times. Outside of Classic Metal, Sonic always needs some kind of support going in against him. This is even more obvious in official animated content like the Colors shorts and Mania Adventures
>>150167282The OVA is just AoStH except made in Japan.
>>150155385>Once you get past the voices it's decent enough.
Adaptations prefer underdog protagonists, whereas the games rarely have to pretend that Sonic's less competent than he is because, well, they're games. Games are designed to be beaten, and even the hardest video games usually require the protagonist to win every fight. In the games, Mario has never lost to Bowser. He's won every single time. But in the movie, it's easier to write a story if the protagonist is presented as the underdog. Same deal with Sonic. Statistically, Metal Sonic is better than Sonic. He can fly, he has an invincible force field and he can move faster than Sonic in short bursts. But because the games can only let you progress if you keep winning, Sonic ends up having a 100% win streak. Likewise, whereas Sonic is usually presented as Shadow's equal in the games, in adaptations, Shadow usually has the upper hand. In Sonic X, for instance, Shadow is easily superior to Sonic, and in the more recent movie, Sonic kinda wins for no reason after getting his ass kicked the whole film.
>>150155007well...we never got a cartoon about sonic going through the canon of classic games.not modern sonic but classic sonic.
>>150167534>The OVA is just AoStH except made in Japan.God you Zoomers really are idiots who pretend you're smart just like politicians.
>>150155007He's shit by default
>>150169039The Sonic vs. Metal Sonic fight is the only thing propping up what is otherwise lame Japanese humor, and the overall plot is wholesale taken from an AoStH episode (Eggman wants to destroy an important monument and turn it into a honeymoon site for his new bride).
>>150155018Cool
Sonic Prime had a really good premise its just a shame the execution wasn't that great
>>150155018>ShitAM>Underground>BoomslopX is the only good show and even that was only decent around the third season.
