Do you think we'll ever get earnest cartoons again, or is it all irony and deconstruction from here on out?
They literally cant write or make anything like this its not even because no one wants to they literally cannot dedicate manpower to it. They cant produce a script of this caliber without some investor or crazy person or both insisting they insert propaganda into it, its literally no longer possible. No one would want to finance it and it would be used to make a sense of comfort before a subversion is inserted into the plot. Even ignoring all the culture war and ignoring the lacking skill required to animate like this, all of the sincere story conventions have been parodied and mocked to the point that no one can take them seriously anymore and you would run into the problem of the audience thinking everything is a setup for a joke and laughing at inappropriate parts instead of the material resonating. Shrek and Frozen made everyone expect a twist villain or comedic subversion of sincere material.
>>150167327We saw every ballet. We saw every film. If a film was good, we would go and see it five times. Walt rented a studio up In North Hollywood and we would see a selection of films, anything from Chaplin to unusual subjects. Anything that might produce growth, that might be stimulating—the cutting of the scenes, the staging, how a group of scenes was put together, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu were things that we saw. I remember Metropolis, I would never want to see this film again because it had a very strong impact on me. I have built it up in my mind and I want to leave it that way. This was Walt's attitude, always the search for something different. - Marc Davis on making Snow White
>>150167438First, there are the Hollywood films that preceded it: the Fredric March version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1932) is echoed in the Queen’s transformation scene in her laboratory. The operetta convention seized on by Hollywood in the late 1920s and early '30s — The Vagabond King (1930) and The Merry Widow (1934) come to mind—is strongly present in the Snow White-Prince sequence at the wishing well. It is also the basis for many of the recitative and song sequences, though song in the film, unlike in an operetta, always enhances action and/or character.Both Snow White's flight through the forest and the Queen's transformation scene are powerfully expressionistic. For the nightmare flight, the artists recalled the use of sound to support montage in Private Worlds (1935), an unusually adult story of a mental hospital. Gothic elements echo Lang's Metropolis (1927) and Murnau's Nosferatu (1922) and Sunrise (1927). Brian Sibley points out the similarity of the Witch to Lionel Barrymore's villain who disguises himself as an old-woman pedaler, cloak and basket to boot, in Tod Browning's Devil Doll (1936). The melodramatic gestures and stylized movements of silent films also influenced Snow White. The Queen in particular is in a long tradition of villainous characters dating back through silent cinema to the melodrama of Victorian theater. She is stylistically similar to the She of Helen Gahagan in the RKO film of 1935.
>>150167327Once Millennials and their ilk finally fucking kill themselves like everyone’s been waiting for them to do for decades now we might have a chance
>>150167327The current administration will opt in for this nostalgia to placate the masses. Don't make me tap the sign.
>>150167517by this standard anyone striving for an objectively quality product is falling into some kind of scheme. So that might be true but you would have to be against all media and all entertainment as distractions as a whole not just one or the other.
>>150167327I feel like it's a moot point. Even if they do play something straight, there's so many out there already who'll deconstruct it on their own just looking for something to attack or exaggerate. I mean, look at how many clickbaits/shitposts are made over a lesbian agenda just because two women are standing next to each other.
>>150167327Are fairy tales not ultimately tied to the time and place in which they were spread? Are they not in some way topical? Does this only apply to the stories themselves or the "earnest" productions made several hundred years after the fact?You act as though all the ideas expressed in these are some universal virtues rather than being products of their time. If you want to retvrn to the 30s when you could lynch people just say it.
>>150167796Not really
>>150167796>You act as though all the ideas expressed in these are some universal virtues rather than being products of their timeYes, that's the idea.Nobody gets lynched in Snow White, it's deliberately tapping into something older.
>>150167796Cinderella dates back to Ancient Egypt. It was documented by the Greeks.
>>150167418>of this caliberIt's not high art anon, its a princess story for little girls
>>150167895This is what 15 years of low effort Direct-to-Video sequels did to the Disney brand
>>150167895Imagine not even being able to manage that
>>150167796SW has a strong influence of both the 1930's and the 1800's. The certain jazz-influenced songs (especially Whistle While You Work), and the golden age physical comedy of the dwarfs and animals obviously represent something that was relatively more "modern". Although the 1930's was within living memory of the Romantic era, and they were closer to that period than we are to this film.
>>150168051This is what Tolkien and Lewis were grumbling about mostly, the Dwarfs especially acted more like Appalacian Coal Miners than any old European fair folk.I suspect Lewis had an exceptional distaste for Disney because Walt was the first plastic paddy and Lewis was an out and proud Ulsterman.However I'd say the core of the original story, that it is better to be good and kind and hardworking than it is to be a bitter jealous cunt still shines through.
>>150167796Walt Disney lived during segregation and wanted to return to reconstruction when racial discrimination was federally illegal, but modern people assumed that society always becomes more equal over time and wrote the film off as glorifying a backwards, racist period.
>>150168190>modern people assumed that society always becomes more equal over timeProgress is their false god that they will sacrifice anything to.
>>150167679Im already at that point anon, any and all things are mere distractions to rob everyone of everything. Its all one giant psyop.
>>150167827There's many variations of Cinderella from lots of places. Donkeyskin is one of them.
>>150168781Then you are useless.
>>150169535>Donkeyskin is one of them.Anon, your local drug dealer is not Cinderella, no matter what he's told you.
>>150167327Never.
>>150167327Too late for that.
>>150169587True, your propaganda is not effective against me.
>>150167327When subversion becomes the norm, the norm will become subversion
>>150167418Let's not forget Tangled and Enchanted, the late 2000s were when Disney started accepting the subversion direction.
>>150168781ok whatever, let us enjoy snow white and waste away in peace. You are probably right but it doesnt matter when no one wants to be aroundd you.
>>150172127I take it you have not seen Beauty and the Beast, because it's a really self-aware and cringe film.
>>150167895Love it when people say this because it all becomes more absurd and disgusting that this silly innocent princess movie for kids is too much for modern creators to make they can only make something uglier and more poorly written. So yea I agree with you, its really pathetic they can no longer make a good princess story for little girls.
>>1501673272D animation is dead and if you try to copy the hypnotic retention ability of fluid 2D animation in 3DCG, you're just going to make Cocomelon. That's the first hurdle right there.
>>150172213The live action one?
>>150172127>>150172213Yes tangled and beauty and the beast are way worse and theres a steady decline, but those two movies still manage a sincere romantic connection between the leads that ends in them getting together. Compare to frozen where... Elsa realizes she doesnt want to do anything? And her sister becomes close.... flirtatious friends with christoff?? And marriage is mocked openly.
>>150172223No. The 1991 version.
>>150172313Well theirblittle bickering after Beast rescues Beast still ends with Belle having to had the last word because of course she did, and then, because it's a kids animated movie under 80 minutes credits excluded, it had to be rushed a bit, what was so taboo of animated movies being so short? It's a flawed good movie tough, but I am not sure what the original message of the novel story was, I'm yes I am one of those dummies who didn't cared about the source material.I can see why they did those DTV midquels that focused on their relationship but just made it worse.
>>150172255Who cares about romance?
>>150173173Women
>>150173178So you shouldn’t care about it
