>oversees the slaughter and imprisonment of millions>nah dude I’m actually just a chill tea drinker yo- Zuko come play mahjong with me
>>150174568>oversees the slaughter and imprisonment of millionsand he realizes the error of his ways>nah dude I’m actually just a chill tea drinker yohe deliberately chose to be this way as a result of his overall change of heart
>>150174568Iroh is the only one of the fire nation royals to face grief and come to realize their entire system and the war it raged that he was brought up his entire life being told was some glorious honorable thing was just death and destruction on a colossal scale. He is the only one to recognize that an not just leave, but actually full on side with the forces trying to stop his nations genocidal conquest
>>150174568>oversees the slaughter and imprisonment of millionsJustified.>hugs a paralyzed girl when she can't resistDisgusting. Cancel him and shit on his legacy.
He saw where that route ends, including his son, and doesn't want Zuko to repeat itBut yeah he's a war criminal WAR CRIMINAL WAR CRIMINAL WAR CRIMINAL
>>150174761This looks dumb
>>150174761Feels grossly out of character for her to seriously care, since she can handle herself well.
>>150174884>But yeah he's a war criminalwhat he actually did during the war is never specified outside of being its greatest generalbut even then, having him be a war criminal in his past only makes his arc towards what he is in the present strongerbecause it shows how he was still able to pull himself out even when he was that deep into it and makes his eventual turn towards peace even more noteworthy
>>150174568They say multiple times in the show he saw the errors of his ways and changed once his only son died in the siege he was in charge of
https://youtu.be/Z9ybRu61t2k?si=vw-YtD_7i8NAJ_La >FUCK YEAH I’M GONNA CONQUER BA SING SE AND BURN IT TO THE GROUND>What’s that? My son Lu Ten died as a soldier in the war that we’ve been having for a hundred years?>OH NONONONONONO NOT MY HECKIN SONERINO I PILLAGE NATIONS BUT I DRAW THE LINE AT THIS>I RENOUNCE MY RIGHT TO BE FIRST IN LINE TO THE THRONE OF FIRE LORD YOU CAN HAVE IT OZAI I DON’T EVEN FUCKING CARE ANYMORE>I’m just gonna go fucking…drink some tea and join the white lotus. I’ll still stick around tho>Yeah just forget that I was a war criminal
>>150175369Sounds pretty accurate desu. I met this racist chick who genuinely did not see blacks as humans. Then only time I saw her treat one as a person was when she could relate with one of them when it came to having a miscarriage. And even then she still doesn’t see black people as people but just saw that one specific person and their family as an exception lmfao
>>150174761what a piece of shit comic
>>150175426that's nice and all sunshine but iroh isn't racist and never was
>>150174568Yeah, that’s call growth
>>150175369>My son Lu Ten died as a soldier in the war that we’ve been having for a hundred yearsIts almost like personal tragedy caused him to empathize with every single person who has had to suffer that same pain he feltEvery one who died fighting or defending that wall was someone elses lu tenIts easy to disconnect yourself from your job when its all so distant, but when it actually affects your life your outlook might changeHe then took a long, personal journey of self reflection to sort out what all that means, which is why he no longer the same conquering General he used to be
>>150175619You’re trying to make a coherent against against someone who just posted a wall of green, half of which is capslock
>>150175637>a coherent against against argument against*
>>150174884> war criminalNo such thing. You can’t be committing any “war crime” if there is no such thing as a Geneva Convention that labels things as such, so all he did was commit acts of war, which would apply to the other sides as well.
>>150174568Being chill and being able to justify systematic slaughter aren't contradictory.
>>150175737Aight, how about “unnecessary actions during a war”
>>150174568In today's episode, anonymous learns about war
>>150174568>Can't even assist the Avatar in taking down Ozai and stopping a genocide because history would look at it as one more example of a sibling fighting another for power>Zuko violently overthrowing Azula to take the throne is totally ok though
>>150175369>>What’s that? My son Lu Ten died as a soldier in the war that we’ve been having for a hundred years?>>OH NONONONONONO NOT MY HECKIN SONERINO I PILLAGE NATIONS BUT I DRAW THE LINE AT THISAnon you'd be surprise how many people operate like this irl. They're fine with everything, follow orders, even support it, until it harms them or something they like >>150175426I didn't wanna being politics into it but this is extremely apparent among people on the far right, yeah. They're seemingly incapable of really understanding others unless it's someone directly associated to them or a really specific issue that they care about. I think one example is how people I met on the right will laugh at so many issues and turmoil and consider them as meaningless shit people only pretend to like, and then talk about circumcision(which IS bad, don't put words in my mouth) being one real important issue that people need to take seriously. A good example is Hans Kristian Grabtoss. Every racial and political issue is to be laughed at and in fact should be worse, libtards should stop crying, but circumcision is a serious issue because it's something directly personally connected to him.
Asian culture have no concepts of what a war crime is as all war is already a crime against your fellow man.
>>150175904I thought they just saw it as competition over who has God's/Heaven's favor
>>150175769>Aight, how about “unnecessary actions during a war”People today genuinely think that if something evil or cruel happened in the past, everyone was okay with it as long as it wasn't written as law.
It's funny how there's a lot of people here that genuinely believe that making some improvement in your beliefs is some kind of intrinsic "betrayal" of your character.
>>150174568>slaughter and imprisonment of millionsWhen, precisely, do they say that his kill count was in the millions? I can see hundreds or thousands. But MILLIONS? The Avatar Earth doesn't even have a high population to begin with. It seems like there might only be a million or two, worldwide.
>>150175971He never said that
>>150176096Anon absolutely said that
>>150175769>unnecessary actions during a warWhat if I danced? I grabbed an empty RPG tube and did a little shimmy. Not at all required for mission completion.
>>150174761Literally what is he even apologizing for?
>>150174761Was there something that prompted this or did it just happen out of the blue? Because neither situation makes sense. The former because she would not give a shit about something like that and the latter because why the fuck would Iroh just be thinking about that when no one brought it up or mentioned it?
>>150176361I'm assuming the entire story was built around this one gag from one episode. I am not sure and I simply just flipped through this comic at a book store and yeah it seemed like they focused on that gag as a serious issue
>>150174568This is just a faggot from leddit reposting his bait that got btfo by other ledditers KEK>https://www.reddit.com/r/ATLA/comments/1n6fywi/iroh_is_a_hypocrite/
>>150175020M8 He was teaching Zuko how to properly kill and subdue his enemies with fire bending in the very first episode
>>150176675>teaching bending techniques automatically means teaching zuko to killHe is peaceful but not a total pacifist And did you also forget all the times where he is clearly imploring zuko not to engage in violence?
>>150174599>and he realizes the error of his waysDoes he? He never actually pays for them
>>150176909>Does he?His dream in life turns from conquest to living a peaceful life selling teaHe also joins a pan-national society thats united in bringing down the fire nation
>>150174568there's mahjong in avatar? maybe ill finally sit down and watch it
>>150176909he frees ba sing se and contributes to the Avatar being able to save the world unless you mean some sort of punishment in which case I wonder what this weird old testament sentiment of characters needing to be drawn and quartered to "repent"
>>150176096Muscle Man has very strung opinions on Avatar and character writing
>>150176506My favorite revelation is, after years of seeing people shit on reddit, finding out that half of 4chan is just people doing commentary on whatever the fuck is being talked about on reddit There's a reason why reddit is brought up so much here
>>150177749the same thing happens with tumblr, which is especially hilarious in the case of atla /co/ threads where anons cant shut up about the zutara tumblrinas. the truth is /co/ (and 4chan in general) has a lot of tourists who just didn't fit in whatever shithole their from, who then larp as oldfags here
>>150176909He's part of the White Lotus and helped take down the Fire Nation capital right during the Sozin's Comet, I say that's enough repentance
>>150176503This feels like one of those things not done out of some deranged sense of “social justice” but an attempt to sanitize the character from any potential controversy. Which is ironic since this is a thread about calling out his war crimes.
>>150177796I think it's also most apparent with twitter screenshot threads, especially the ones with like 1 favorite and 2 comments
Actually showing Iroh going from war general to grieving father would require a level of nuance that none of avatars current writers possess. I dread for the day Bryke decides to explore Iroh's past in a comic or book or whatever
>>150174568>oversees the slaughter and imprisonment of millions>nah dude I’m actually just a chill tea drinker yoMost realistic depiction of an Asian man to date.
>>150175842Azula was hot, she had all the right to rule.
>>150177848Most of the shit I see people complain about is usually just so corporate attempt to be as safe as possible rather than anything earnest from an author's heartNot that the latter is always justified in every moment, but to me it's just corporate castration most of the time
>>150177875>I dread for the day Bryke decides to explore Iroh's past in a comic or book or whateversee >>150174761they already shat that bed
>>150177848The comics were written to farm outrage. Everyone talks about zuko being a cuck or whatever, no one gives a shit about the societal upheaval ones.
>>150177954there is no post atla material in ba sing se
>>150177945I don't think they wrote thatThough they do give the mark of approval to anything published
>>150177978Tim hendrick, an atla staff writter, co wrote it with faith erin hicks aka the newest Bryke fall guy writer
>>150177954tbf /co/ cares a lot about the dumbest shit that most other people have no focus on, but I also don't wanna read any of these after the first the Promise comic, so I'm not gonna make up my own thoughts eitherThe best AtLA sequel is the fanfic in my head anyway
>>150177991Never forget that tim once said iroh was his favorite because he was fat like him, only to come up with that garbage. you will never be able to convince me that anyone who isn't one of brykes pets isn't in a never ending humiliation ritual
>>150178001Speaking of fanfic, would anyone care to give a read for a fic i've been doing on AO3? to keep it short, it's the atla equivalent of the karate kid
>>150174761Based. All men should apologize for their toxicity
>>150174761He talks like he raped her while she looks like she's having a trauma flashback.Honestly he probably should have.
>>150175842or a son overthrowing his father after being publicly shamed and joining the enemy.it's all very stupid the more you look at it.
>>150178031I have one that I did that’s about a guy from the AtLA version of Europe coming over to learn chi blocking and take back his homeland. He is a nonbender but similar to the avatar in that he can draw power from the spirits of his ancestors.
>>150176096shut up rigby
>>150178091i'll give you an honest review for one in kind, as that does sound interesting. Mine is "Agni Kai" on AO3
>>150177683>strungEveryone ignore this mistake or I will kill your mothers
>>150176195being a dirty old man
>>150178112It’s not an actual fan fic just an idea that I have that I have developed. Nothing on paper. But I will read that brb.
>>150178031No but I'll tell basing it on a martial arts movie is already a step in the right direction >>150178091>AtLA version of EuropeI won't say anything but what I think of that idea
>>150178132That is his most based quality though
>>150178139What do you think of it? Also can you like the fan fic I’m having an issue finding the exact one.
>>150178139>butabout I'm multitasking
>>150178139>basing it on a martial arts movie is already a step in the right directionThanks Anon
>>150178137Appreciate it, and let me know whenever you do put pen to paper on that idea
>>150175842context matters>>150178150yeh based or not its not looked on kindly
>>150176909>I don't need answers, I need attention Go neck yourself
>>150174568When did this board start believing mudbloods were humans?
>>150178156not sure if you meant me but lookup flamegame on ao3 and it will popup
>>150174761Why are these comics so vaginal
>>150178261>Femoid writer>cucked editorialTake a guess
