We need more western /co/ material.
>>150176978>Gets ton of new content during the new 52 era>Suddenly forgotten Did Jonah flopped in sales?
>>150177016Jonah Hex is a White straight man who fought for the Confederacy which means he is a racist nazi fascist transphobe homophobe satan hitler.
>>150177016It was doing cancellation numbers and only got kept because Didio loved it
>>150177021sounds about right
>>150177016The most famous, modern /co/ cowboy isn't even a real cowboy.
>>150177800YOU GOT A FRIEND IN ME.
>>150176978Never ask a man his salaryA woman her ageJimmy Palmiotti why his wife Amanda Conner never drew Jonah Hex
>>150178301...why?
>>150178311She can't draw fast enough for a monthly so she only does minis and lots of promo art, claiming repetitive stress injuriesThe last hurdle for many artists is "great, now draw this well in half the time" and some just never get there
>>150178414Ahh. I was expecting something else. But that's kind of sad.
>>150178426Erica Henderson is actually an amazing, detailed artist but Squirrel Girl forced her to dumb down her style and draw minimal backgrounds because she'd never had to churn out 20 pages a month before.Norm Breyfogle was almost unable to find art jobs after DC kicked him out. His last gig was Jughead.
>puffs up smoke signals that say bump
>>150176978The genre's still reasonably present in France, Italy and Belgium. Take your pick.
>>150177021So he flopped and no one likes him cool
>>150177832Oh great, now it's stuck in my head again
>>150176978So why didnt you buy his run 10 years ago?
>>150176978What's there to tell about them anyway?
Just like with western movies the Europeans are weirdly the best at making western comics
I was thinking about JLU's Vigilante. He seems pretty cool and the contrast between him and Shining Knight works well.
>>150176978both pre and post flashpoint runs are good.
>>150182349The new 52 run is alright but it's no Volume 2
>>150181760>We should keep naming our badasses after fruit
>>150178541Samples of this art?
>>150181760We know the reason that the Dollars Trilogy managed to run circles around American cowboy films at the time though. Among other things, Hollywood was really careful about its PR and was constantly trying to show it promoted "good American values" so the cowboys always had to be these "All-American heroes" that saved the day and brought law to the land.Anti-heroes were getting extremely popular in Europe at the time and Eastwood took the role entirely because he was sick of playing the white hat roles they kept trying to give them. So when it came out in the US, it exposed the audience to something they hadn't really seen before
>>150179805found the troon
>>150183867Don't discount the cinematography and score which was a huge step up from what came before
>>150176978Hard agree.
>>150184296This. Everyone knows the spaghetti western tropes and that Ennio Morricone is essentially created the sound of the wild west, but even if you already know the major musical themes from the dollars trilogy, nothing can prepare you for just how incredibly effective they are in context of the films.
>>150184511Vgh, what could've been... im still coping from this never happening
>>150184600I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Tara and Zach haven't nailed that coffin shut yet, so I'm holding out hope. The concept was fucking awesome and their style is so cool. The pilot had some issues to iron out, but I'm convinced that if this ever made it to series it would be absolutely incredible.
>>150179654was going to say, lot's of cowboys in bandes dessinées
>>150177016>>150179805New 52 is what killed Jonah. He was soaring with his solo title BEFORE New 52. All Star Western fucked him over. Jonah Hex vol 2 from 05 to 2011 sold very well and was received very well by fans and critics. You must have been too young to remember the storytimes when new issues were being released. A character like Jonah Hex is hard to do now. Not because he's a confederate uniform wearing bounty hunter, but because his stories should all be single issue or two parters at most. And DC doesn't hire writers who know how to do that. They're out there and they exist, but DC won't give them a chance.
>>150179654>>150181760Up north we mainly have a tabletop RPG. Not the greatest out there but a source of weird anecdotes.
>>150183710>We should keep naming our badasses after sexual fetishes
>>150176978I love Preacher.
>>150185256Boy they didn't even try to make it not look like Clint eh
>>150186633The Live Action Show was alright too. They changed a few things (Tulip's character especially), but nothing that felt like it strayed too far away from the comics and I love they way the show was stylized.
>>150176978It'll never fucking happen, but I would spend money on one or two Jonah Hex vol. 2 compendiums.Everyone says that the run is really good but it doesn't look like it was collected anywhere.
>>150186723It can't be helped, it's him or Lee Van Cleef.
>>150188200What about John Wayne? How about James Arness?
>>150176978>We need more western /co/ materialNoMust protect injun feelingsMust simp for casino owners
>>150188367I'm Cheyenne and I agree with OP.
>>150187102The little I saw was extremely different. None of the characters were like their comic counterparts at all.
>>150188367It's telling that your definition of a western necessitates villainizing native americans.
>>150188972How so? The biggest differences were probably Eugene and Tulip. I have no real opinion on Eugene - his character was never something that stuck out in the comics aside from his face (and he got a much bigger role in the show). Tulip was fairly different though I think they improved the character - she was a wet blanket in the comics. Cassidy was spot fucking on. They couldn't have cast him better. Jessie was pretty close, albeit a touch more tormented. Herr Starr was pretty accurate. Most of the characters I can think of off the top of my head matched the comic books pretty faithfully with maybe a few liberties taken here or there to make things work a bit better for television.
>>150189062From what I saw, they toned everyone down significantly. You'd think this would be a good move, since it's an Ennis comic, but it was not. These are supposed to be very theatrical characters. The show is somehow way more subdued and way more farcical. I saw clips with a snivelling Hitler or some shit.Saint of Killers in the show is a total lack of presence, and the comic character is all presence. Cassidy is missing a degree of sliminess. Jesse is less assertive. Herr Starr has no explosive anger. They tried to humanize Arseface. I haven't watched any clips of Tulip, but she was just fine in the comic. What I saw doesn't work, so I never watched the show.
>>150190065>Saint of Killers in the show is a total lack of presence, and the comic character is all presence. Cassidy is missing a degree of sliminess. Jesse is less assertive. Herr Starr has no explosive anger.I'm not sure that we watched the same show. Did you actually watch itt or did you just see a handful of out of context clips? You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. I felt the characters all portrayed those aspects well. Cassidy may have been a little bit more of a lovable scamp due to the way he was acted, but he was plenty slimy and a lot of story beats were taken directly from the comics. Jesse was assertive enough that he began to alienate his colleagues. I don't know what you mean by "presence", but the Saint of Killers in the show was pretty much how I interpreted him in the comics. >Tulip...was just fine in the comicShe was a boring-ass character who felt mostly mopey. She wasn't particularly well written or memorable. I'd read the comics first and she was just kind of "the girl". The show takes her in a much more interesting direction and while it was surprising at first, by episode 2 I was on board. She's much more of a firecracker and capable, yet flawed enough to avoid being a mary sue and fallible enough to avoid being a "girl boss". >snivelling HitlerYeah, he was part of the added Eugene subplot. He wasn't a main character and was played mostly for comic relief. Your talk of "clips" makes me believe that you haven't watched the show. You can't have seen even the first episode if you didn't see any Tulip. Watching out of context clips is not a good way to get a gauge on the effectiveness of an adaptation. Some things need to change to make the material work for TV, but I think they were more faithful to the source material than most without making it feel stupid. Most of the plots were straight out of the books (with some slight alterations to give characters more depth), and a lot of shots were direct from the pages.
>>150176978Is there any other genre that takes place in one specific time and location?
>>150190300You don't have to have it be in the American old west. Could easily do some One Piece shit but instead of pirates its outlaws(cowboys) and shit
>>150188367I'd be down for more Native American heroes too though
>>150190321>Could easily do some One Piece shit but instead of pirates its outlaws(cowboys) and shitSo it's just the costume and set design that makes a western?
>>150190300While westerns sometimes include aspects of historical settings like the post-civil war, Mexican Revolution, gold rush, building of the railroads, etc, they're just as often completely anachronistic stories about gunslingers riding horses searching for opportunity. It's as fictional a setting as any. Most of the stuff depicted in westerns were invented for film anyway. There's no photographic evidence or drawings that the typical swinging saloon doors were ever used. Saloons had regular-ass doors. Duels were exceptionally rare and guns weren't allowed in most towns. They were collected by law enforcement and returned when you were leaving. And just as today, if you were caught with a firearm when you weren't supposed to have one, there would be legal ramifications. If someone was shot (even in self defense) there would be a trial. You couldn't just get away with murder. People didn't fan guns like they do in westerns, and the guns weren't worn low on the hips. They were worn high to make it easier to mount and ride a horse.
>>150190413Nope. All the tropes are archetypes are just common in other genres.
>>150190413> So it's just the costume and set design that makes a western?Pretty much. Same thing goes for pirate movies. Those aren't historically accurate by any stretch of the imagination. There's a loose indication of time period in that a fucking cybertruck driving onto set wouldn't feel particularly western-y, but historical inaccuracies pop up all the time in westerns and nobody gives a shit. They're not supposed to be dramatized documentaries. It's a fun fantasy world invented for cinema about cowboys (or cowgirls or natives) going on adventures.
>>150190413Mandalorian S1 was literally a western in space
>>150190483Too bad they never did more with that. It had such promise. Maybe we'll get a S2 someday.
>>150177016>>150184772The movie probably didn't do him any favors
>>150190435>>150190461>>150190479My main criticism is that westerns are just as narrow and limited as the superhero genre. The only real difference is superheroes are popular now and westerns were popular when boomers were kids, so it's just old = good, new = bad.>historically accurateI do not give a shit.
>>150190508It ticks me off that police procedurals get a pass. I can't think of a more banal genre.
>>150190493...Anon I..
>>150190483>western in spaceAgreed, but the "in space" part is an important distinction in that it's not actually a western, but pretty much a western if a western were set in space. I would say that Mandalorian S1 was definitely heavily influenced by Westerns and it was obviously made to be a "western in space", but if someone asked me to watch a western with them and then put on Mandelorian, I'd be pretty fucking pissed. Same if it was screened at a western film festival or something. I think it can have the spirit of a western and be western adjacent without actually being called one. > westerns are just as narrow and limited as the superhero genreSounds more like a skill issue. There are tons of stories to explore. It's just a setting. I just got done reading a bunch of short western horror stories based on folklore. It was gothy and awesome. Outer Range was set on a ranch where a giant hole opens up in the middle of field that acts as some sort of time travel wormhole. While it's technically set in modern day, that same story could have just as easily been set in the "wild west" backdrop.
>>150190223I thought I made it clear enough that I didn't watch the show. I saw the preview for season 1 way back, saw that it looked and felt nothing like the show, and never bothered. Since then I've only watched clips, and they remind me nothing of the comic. >Jesse was assertive enough that he began to alienate his colleaguesExactly. It's all wrong.>but the Saint of Killers in the show was pretty much how I interpreted him in the comics.I saw more clips of SoK than of any other character just because the first clip I was so off the mark. He's not the brutal, scary force of nature he is in the comics. He's a much sleepier, humanized interpretation, but the extras still act scared around him.Tulip in the comics wasn't boring at all. She was also assertive but mystified when in love with Jesse.Just out of curiosity, are you the type to think that the Watchmen movie is exactly like the comic with the ending changed?
>>150190582I SAID MAYBE WE'LL GET A S2 SOMEDAY
>>150190604Come here and give me a hug anon
>>150190594> I saw the preview for season 1Then you don't have any sort of substantial frame of reference. You're off the mark on the Saint of Killers especially. > are you the type to think that the Watchmen movie is exactly like the comicI have neither read nor watched the Watchmen. Capeshit is not my thing.
Ken Parker is pretty good.
>>150190747>Then you don't have any sort of substantial frame of reference.Of course I do. I watched over 20 minutes of his performance alone, and I read the whole comic. Did I just happen to watch all the bad parts? Is the rest of his appearance exactly like it is in the comic?
>>150190588>Agreed, but the "in space" part is an important distinction in that it's not actually a western, but pretty much a western if a western were set in space.Funny enough, that's pretty much how Star Trek was pitched. They had to sell it as "a wagon train to the stars" because the studio wasn't interested in doing anything but westerns at the time because that's what was popular.>It's just a settingMy whole initial question was; Is it a setting or is it a genre? Because if a genre requires one specific setting, then it's a pretty piss-poor genre.
>>150190910> I watched over 20 minutes of his performance aloneThere's nothing I can say that will convince you beyond your predilections. I think it's absolutely retarded to watch out of context clips of a character, not watch any episodes, and decide that a show is unfaithful to the comics, but it's not like anything I say will make you reconsider your opinion. I read the comics and watched the show and I felt the show was a good adaptation both for being closely aligned to the comics while changing enough to work for the different format. And without having actually watched the show, there's not likely anything you'll say that will make me reconsider my opinion, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
>>150191035> if a genre requires one specific setting, then it's a pretty piss-poor genre.I disagree and think that the assessment of the worth of a genre based on the flexibility of the setting is an arbitrary parameter. That said, I'm not enough of an authority on film to determine whether westerns are a setting or a genre, but I think people could argue either way or both. Some people would say Mandalorian or Justified are westerns just as some would say Ghost Dog or Kill Bill are samurai films. There are arguments to be made there, but even if a genre was restricted to a specific setting, I think it's reductive to assess the genre as "piss-poor" simply because one of the defining traits happens to be a time and place. It's like saying that film music is a piss-poor music genre because it requires that the music be used in a film.
>>150191281Is it a setting or a genre, or a sub-genre? Horror is a genre, but there's a lot of variety to it, but it can be broken-up into subgenres that get nearly as specific as Westerns are to a specific time and setting.
>>150191462I dunno. At some point all this shit breaks down. Kung Fu the Legend was a kung fu series in the wild west. What the fuck was that? (There are actually a number of kung fu/western crossover films). Wild Wild West was a steampunk western. Then there's Cowboys vs Aliens, Cowboys vs Zombies, Billy the Kid Versus Dracula....it's pure chaos.
Just picture some fictional world in an eternal state of the 1800s. Like how ASOIAF was stuck as some medieval age shit for what? 8,000 years?
>>150191516I personally have absolutely no interest in the setting. None at all. Probably because I actually live in the West and see cowboy shit everywhere and it's all some lazy cheap facade. So when people say they want Westerns I just assume that they want the aesthetic of it slapped onto some modern slop, like any other modern soap opera that gets cranked out but with cowboy costumes, phony accents and boot spurs jingling overlaid onto it.I want to believe there is some actual substance that separates the genre other than; 'member The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly?
>>150191700It really depends on what you mean by "substance", but it sounds like maybe westerns just aren't for you. It's like scientists watching science fiction - they'll either fucking hate it or they'll be able to forget reality for 90 minutes and tap into the enjoyment of the fantasy. Sure, the dollars trilogy is iconic and in a way, genre defining (though I think The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly was my least favorite of the 3), so in some ways the comparison will always be there, but that same reductive "member <x>" could be said about nearly any genre. There are always going to be major films that shift paradigms and beg comparison. If you hate the genre, then everything will seem like a trite copy. Some people hate whodunnits. Dan Harmon hates heist films. You don't have to like westerns.
>>150190300chanbara, jidaigeki, period dramas- the japanese westerns, if you will.
I really wish we could get modern translated editions of Blueberry by Moebius. But Moebius estate are dicks about it.
>>150191700What do westerners think of Taylor Sheridan?
>>150191074Sorry, but I trust my senses and judgment more than I trust yours. I'm really not going to waste my time on the show because I already like the comic, and what I've seen from the show wasn't to my liking at all. It just makes no sense for me to go out of my way like that. A random clip of a show or movie carries a lot of information, and it's not like a show this is hard to digest. I think it's silly that you can't tell what something is by watching a significant piece of it, but whatever. Also, you keep saying I have no context, but then say that it's pretty faithful to the comic. If the latter is true, I'd be able to confirm that from reading the comic, even if the setting and storylines are updated.
>>150191978Nobody is making you watch it. You're entitled to your opinion. There's really nothing more to say on the topic.
>>150188367>My only contribution to 4chan threads is bitching about oppression Fuck off tourist
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>>150186633I like the one off about how he became the saint of killers. It reminded me of one of those dark fairy tales.
>>150191912Yellowstone's last season took whatever good will he had and shot it.
>>150191844I just want to know what, if any appeal there is to them once you strip away the setting.
>>150194544It's not just the setting, but the atmosphere and tone. If you like things such as Escape from NY, Samurai Jack, Vampire Hunter D, and Sword & Sorcery, youvlike spaghetti westerns.
>>150176978East of West was good.
>>150194544You could say the same thing about sci-fi. Strip away the futuristic setting and what's left is a story about people (or I guess characters if they're not human).Again, it's clear that you just don't like westerns. If you hate the setting, then you're probably not going to like most of the stuff that's made in that genre. That's totally fine. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean the entire genre is bullshit. You can...just not like it. I don't like musicals. I can point out the things I really don't like about them, but at the end of the day, it has more to do with me than musicals themselves.
>>150194633I'll have to try it again. I couldn't get into it.
>>150194639Same with Samurai films. You strip away feudal Japan and what do you have left? Again, a story about people. Strip away the western setting, what do you have left? A story about people.
>>150188223They were popular... with the parents or now grandparents of the game designers and target audience. So it has to be Clint, Lee, generic injun with feather crown, generic mustachioed mexican, generic saloon wench.But it gives you naked duels of two pantsless gunfighters. Or a horse rustling suspicion escalating to being wanted for killing a sheriff. Or using the buckshot of a Le Mat revolver to make a duel against the final boss a draw.
>>150195158Sounds like a good time to me
>>150194633yeah i think so too>>150176978manifest destiny might count. but i only read like two volumes of it
My dad's birthday was the other day and his friend gave him five giant trashbags full of DVDs pulled off the friend's grandpa's shelf.So many fucking westerns... I myself got to keep the complete Deadwood DVD set!
>>150195245Kino. If you ever get those catalogued I'd love to see what you have.
Anyone going to check this out? Or read the novel it's based on?
Anyone read this? It's supposedly set in the post-zombie-apocalypse
I want an adaptation out of New Vegas bounties.
>>150176978DCAU Vigilante was the best. Brave and the Bold was pretty cool, sings pretty well.
>>150195311when is it releasing?
there was a tv show called Jericho, and it was continued as a comic book. but if it's western, it's modern western. don't know if it counts
>>150195393I'd count it. like Longmire but that's based off a novel
>>150195341October 5th, according to Amazon.
>>150195413Thanks anon. I hadn't heard of it. I'll keep an eye out.
>>150195324New Vegas would make a great post apocalyptic cartoon..
>>150195438For sure. Though personally I doubt the Fallout show is going to do it justice.
>>150176978>and indiansTurokFinder by Carla Speed McNeil
>>150195502Oh that reminds me, they made Tanto (Lone Ranger) comics too
>>150191912I've only watched some of his movies. Pretty cool.
>>150195502> Turokhuh - natives and dinosaurs?
>>150194629>It's not just the setting, but the atmosphere and tone.Which is?>youvlike spaghetti westerns.But not all westerns are "spaghetti westerns", which is just a sub-category of Western. They're more violent then typical westerns, usually have moral ambiguity instead of clear black hat vs white hat, and dialogue was often kept to a minimum because they often had to dub it over later.>>150194639>>150194671>You could say the same thing about sci-fi. Strip away the futuristic settingE.T. is a sci-fi movie. Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is a sci-fi movie. Sci-fi is not defined by the setting anywhere near the extent that westerns are and trying to pretend otherwise is just playing dumb.
>>150183867But John Wayne had quite a few anti hero roles, pre dating spaghetti westerns.
>>150196311And Serenity is a western not set in the wild west. And Brokeback mountain. And the Revenant, and the Nightengale, and No Country for Old Men. What's your point?
>>150177016Hex was never a big seller and it was entirely due to Dan Didio thinking DC should actively publish diversity in their comics output that he kept Hex on life support when it would have otherwise been cancelled.>>150184772>He was soaring with his solo title He absolutely wasn’t in terms of sales. He was gaining general popularity with readers but that wasn’t actually reflected in how well his comic was doing. The volume 2 of Jonah Hex sold relatively low numbers that would have warranted cancellation, but it was doing somewhat steady and consistent low figures in its sales numbers, kinda like how it went with Vertigo’s Hellblazer, so it wasn’t actually crashing and burning or losing them tons of money each month, and that’s precisely why Didio was able to allow it run for 70 issues.
>>150196336And John Wayne was a shitty actor who still played his characters certain way where he was ultimately in the right as the good guy
>>150196417>And Serenity is a western not set in the wild westI only saw the first episode of Firefly and didn't care for it. I know it's a "space-western" but that same label was literally used for the original Star Trek, but Serenity is always mentioned when it comes to space-westerns because it blatantly has western-inspired costumes for characters. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but people seem to associate westerns more with a visual style than anything else.>Brokeback mountainI'll take your word for it.>No Country for Old MenI literally haven't even heard of the other movies you mentioned besides this. But I haven't seen it, so I still can't comment.
>>150196529What is your goal? You come into a thread about westerns and want to argue about why you don’t like westerns. Cool story. Go enjoy whatever you actually like. I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish.
>>150196568>I just want to know what, if any appeal there is to them once you strip away the setting.
>>150184772>All Star Western fucked him over.Complete opposite. All Star Western was a hail mary from DC to get the sales go up because the sales on Hex weren’t good. ASW actually tried to offer you backup strips with other DC western characters and it didn’t get them better sales, all people did was bitch and moan that they incorporated more DCU aspects to the book which was clearly done in desperation to try and get people who wouldn’t otherwise want to read western comics to read the book. All ASW did was show that even when DC tries to push western comic it it's such a niche within a niche that it can’t sustain an ongoing title for long.
>>150191895While a lot of it is because the most famous classical Westerns now are basically just adaptations of Samurai movies, there is a lot of thematic and historical synchronicity between the two that leds itself to those kind of cultural cross-pollination. Both focus on a romanticized, idealized, or just kind of mythic portrayal of a lone warrior. They blow from town to town, almost a tragic figure. Where their martial skills and spirit also make them an outcast, unable to cohabitate with the people they save.It's more explicit in the Samurai stories, but the sense of one age ending and another dawning is pretty common in both. The end of a major war tends to be the back drop for both, with the heroes having come out the other side of it with their skills. Now existing in a world that has little need for their kind in polite society. Not just socially, but technologically and politically their world is changing and there's a wistful regret to it, even as these stories primarily come from the society these changes created and which is much more palatable to the author and audience than the long lost, never really was era being left behind.Been kind of hankering for a work that really tackles the parallels here more in depth, but it tends to either be incredibly ridiculous, intentionally so, or just kind of flavor.
>>1501953191 GAY NAKED COWBOY AT ZAM RANCH
>POWGunsmoke.Starring James Arness as Matt Dillon.
>>150187102Nobody cares, faggot.
>>150176978Fuck Activision for killing the Darkwatch sequel and doing nothing with the IP.I have the Heavy Metal issue, I remember enjoying the tie-in story. Wish this series at least got more comics.
The 80s had their space westerns.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DM-mk7-TQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZU5Xxpa7I
>>150197474Wasn’t there one about some anthropomorphized cows too?
Tex became very popular in my country back in the 60s/70s, and there's still reprints going on. I really like it.
>>150196590>a story about peopleWesterns (in the original "wild west" sense of the term) are a sub-genre of historical/period fiction. The setting is a defining trait of the subgenre just as feudal Japan is a defining trait of samurai films. The character archetypes and themes have been defined well enough that the subgenre has expanded to encompass films set in other times/settings as well so while the backdrop of the west may have originally been an extremely important trait of the subgenre, the stories and characters are strong enough to eschew that backdrop. The same could be said of samurai films. To answer your question directly, if you strip away the setting, the appeal is a story about people. (which was already stated here >>150194639>Strip away the futuristic setting and what's left is a story about peopleYou chose to pedantically focus on the use of the term "futuristic" by pointing out sci-fi films that are not set in the future, but you missed the point. If you take out the fictional science elements from sci-fi, you're left with a story about people. If you take out the "western" setting from westerns, your left with a story about people. Just as with sci-fi, the fictional science is part of the appeal. We watch them because we want to see aliens and time travel etc, but the fictional science alone doesn't make for a good film. GOOD sci-fi is just a backdrop for a story. Same with westerns - we watch them because we want to see gunslingers and saloon girls and horses, but if the setting was the entirety of the appeal, then shitty westerns wouldn't exist. The wild west in a GOOD western is just a backdrop for a story.
>>150197377>I have the Heavy Metal issue, I remember enjoying the tie-in story.storytime? (or at least tell us what issue it was so I can try to hunt it down)
>>150198016It seems boring. Is it good?
>>150197949https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKv9QS2tJANot in space though.
>>150198016The art style isn't grabbing me, but I'd give it a whirl. Do you recommend starting from the beginning or is there a particularly good issue to check out first to hook me?
>>150176978This is a good mini series
