Couse I'm puckrocker yes iam!
>>150177719literally "we are da party of empathy!!" re-labeled
Is this a leftwing version of Hero Hei
>>150177738It also has the seal of approval from the star wars crying guy.
>>150177719James Gunn’s Superman is nothing like Grant Morrison’s. If I see one more redditor saying watching his Superman felt ripped straight from All Star Superman I’m gonna lose it. If they actually read it, this means vast majority of comic readers are functionally illiterate. And that’s the fans who at least try to read the comics.
>>1501777844chan is just reddit where you can openly hate things and not be silenced by downvotes but instead drowned out in yous.
>>150177719I forgot for a second that the Chinese are the 2nd biggest market for Snyderverse after the jeets.
>>150177719Sorry, the new Superman is for white people.
>>150177818You can have him lol
>being nice is the new punk rockPeople who say this are never actually nice. Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the south, and watch them go feral.
>>150177867Weird how ironic life is
>>150177867>I mean sure, they act nice, talk nice, enjoy nice things, and are overall nice people>but what about [fictional scenario in my head where they act how I want to imagine them, based on nothing they actually do]okay
It's wild because when I was growing up punk rockers were usually assholes and proud of it.
>>150178778Being nice is the new punk rock. Back then being nice was the norm, and punk rock was not.
>>150177719Guntards are everything you retards spewed about snyderfags all these years.
>>150179186gunn fans arent trying trying to boycott the latest movie because they are obsessed with the gunn-cut
>>150177867This
>>150177740>Hero HeiWho
>>150177867If someone has to tell you they're a nice person, they aren't.
>>150179230They will in 10 years when the DCU has been rebooted and some new retard is making a new terrible Superman movie
Watching people fold themselves into paper airplanes to justify their deep-rooted cynicism and selfishness has been absolutely wild, and that it was caused by a Superman movie of all things is just baffling.Sorry, but some people genuinely do care about others. Some people naturally view all of humanity as their in-group and have no out-group. Having to believe that no one is a kind person and that those claiming to care must be lying to hide ulterior motives is MASSIVE cope and projection, like when a closeted homosexual believes all straight men struggle with the impulse to suck some dick.
>>150178778Punk Rockers were only assholes to nazis and violent addicts Which were you?
>>150181228Congrats on making it obvious that you were born in the 00s.
>>150181201>Some people naturally view all of humanity as their in-group and have no out-group.Not true, but you're right in that it's still an ideal worth striving for. And that idealism is what's making people seethe.
>>150181228....nazis and skinheads were a good portion of punks back then.
>>15018125180's.>>150181307Skinheads were stomp-on-sight. Punks understood that Nazis are like Roaches and if you don't mercilessly crush them they'll multiply. There are literal punk anthems about how awesome it is to kick the shit out of nazis.>>150181260>Not true You're just telling on yourself
>>150177719>>150177738The "in an indifferent world, being kind is punk" lines fucking sucks. What is and isn't punk is an old, annoying conversation centered around a contemporary aesthetic that was mass marketed to the first world as a safe and shallow form of rebellion that, following the logic of the Superman definition, is just contrarianism. If that's the case, who gives a shit about what is and isn't punk unless you are the type who thinks punk is cool and prioritize being cool over being correct.This leads to shitty conversations where anyone can point to any shallow marketing angle of what can be deemed the establishment or the elite. And now we need to define the establishment and the elite and lay out their motives. Now you need to convince the right that every corporate and military industrial complex pride logo was pinkwashing while they describe the conspiracy of marxist leftists actually controlling Raytheon. To them, they are justifying being conservative or rightwing as being punk since it's been reduced to contrarianism and the system has laws against hate crime and corporations have diversity in marketing.All of this because they have a brief conversation about the coolness of moralfagging. I found this part annoying but it's fine, people can be annoying and say annoying things, have bullshit takes. The coolness of Superman is a topic that keeps coming up, it's one from our childhoods so it's appropriate to dig that up here.What ends up being "punk" is refusing to bow to authority to do what's right. Superheroes are often outside of the law, punk, but in Superman's case he shook up the American and global billionaire establishment by preventing a genocide. He "fights the power".
>You can't handle my critism!I don't even know who you are.
>>150181604Sure thing buddy
>>150178138I love how interacting with an old white guy is considered a fantastical scenario to you.
>>150181057he's a complaining guy.
>>150181228Lmao
>>150181105No, don't lie.
>>150181105you genuinely underplay just how insane the snyder cult is
>>150181641NTA but hating specifically "nazi punks" recognizes the existence of nazi punks and is descriptive of what they do to them. Punks as assholes (punk is another word for asshole) was common because that chaotic misanthropy served to disrupt an ordered system they saw as more cruel. Bringing problems and chaos to corporate conformity was a way to not just have fun, but bring about anarchy.
>>150178138you're retarded.
>>150181228Punk Rockers were almost exclusively violent addicts.
>>150181622>>150181683punk sucks,bro.
>>150177867>Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the south, and watch them go feral.No, they'll get shot especially if the person is black.
>>150181797That's fine.
>>150181680They aren’t even that insane. You can tell when a zoomie is new to the internet when they think snyderbots are uniquely bad. What do they do that’s so terrible? Make annoying posts? Just don’t read them lmao. Maybe you should boycott reading what they say bro lmaoo
>>150181688>Punk, the group that was known for brutally stomping out addicts and Nazis, was actually addicts and Nazis u guiseYou get the boot, too.
>>150177719Average person can't articulate a thought to save their lives, so I'll do it for them: This sort of talk is fucking retarded and sound gayer than a pride parade. It's fucking preachy, faggy bullshit from a guy who wouldn't know punk rock if it stabbed him in the dick with a broken bottle and then pissed on his face.
>>150182227Guise? They were very open about being violent addicts.
>>150181622>What ends up being "punk" is refusing to bow to authority to do what's right.You're conflating punk with a general, vague counter-culture attitude. Ill-defined, aimless rebeliousness. Not know what is actually mainstream nor the majority belief, but assuring yourself that whatever good things you believe in are actually the real counter-culture that is true and authenic and sincere and could do amazing things if everyone just got on board and also believed the good things.It is not punk. It is not rebellious. It is a symptom of a pretentious vapidity.
>>150182227The punks were the addicts and the violent thugs. Stop believing in tumblr historical revisionism that told you that punks were a community outreach program that did volunteer work and fed and clothed the starving poor.
People are really getting filtered by a Superman movie, huh.
>>150182325I'm not conflating shit, I used quotation marks to define punk as defined by the movie, not that I agree with it. "In an indifferent world, being kind and caring is punk" is shallow and vapid because it's the same logic as "in a liberal diverse world, being racist is punk".
>>150182387>people getting angry than superman is altruistic and proud of itwhat makes people do this?
>>150182387Define "filtered"
>>150181688There's a reason "straight edge" became a thing, not that poser anon would know about that.
>>150177719esl threadbot threadfaggot thread
>>150182408It's the old punk debate in a setting where Superman shook up the status quo globally so hard it made the US government reconsider an anti-metahuman alliance with Lex turned the Justice League from a corporate mercenary trio of pet metahumans into what we commonly understand it as.People often see Superman as lame and the opposite of lame is based which has some relation to the word punk. Superman as punk, someone rustling up government control and billionaire agendas, is what the vibe of the movie. And the dumb thing is is that movies don't need to explain their vibes or debate them. You can agree with it completely and still think it's dumb.
>>150182514What about that is that "punk" or even "punk rock" specifically? Those are things the punk subculture never did or was ever truly focused on doing no matter how many times it was revived.
>>150182507That's just every thread now, anon
>>150181228Anon, I....
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/punk?useskin=vector#Noun>(obsolete) A boy or younger man who engages in sexual intercourse by an older man as a (usually passive) homosexual partner. [from 1698]>Synonyms: catamite, gunsel>(chiefly US, LGBTQ) A passive or effeminate homosexual man.>Synonym: bottom>(US, LGBTQ, slang) A boy who accompanies a hobo, especially as used for sex. [from 1893]>(US, LGBTQ, derogatory, chiefly African-American Vernacular) A male homosexual. [from 1933]>Synonyms: see Thesaurus:male homosexual>(US, LGBTQ, prison slang) A man forced or coerced into a homosexual relationship, especially in prison. [from 1946]>Synonym: prison bitch>Because he was so weak, Vinny soon became Tony's punk."Superman is punk" deniers, our response?
>>150182824lol superman got raped by commies
>>150182590I'm following the Superman movie logic (if the world is indifferent, caring is punk) that also follows the nazi memer logic (you can't be punk if you like diversity because corporations say they like diversity). I'm saying it's bad logic either way.If you want to take it to just subculture, then it's even more useless because there it was just a heavily marketed subculture. Being pure here means you can't be punk anymore, it speaks to a specific group at a specific time and place. You can't just be that, you can only adopt the shallow aesthetics. But if you aren't going to be pure about it, then it really is just a costume and a style, a uniform for a certain vibe.It's like how does one be "country"? There are many answers and it isn't worth debating. How does Superman be punk? Could be an interesting conversation, but it's easy to get wrong and it needs to contain all caveats and qualifiers for context this movie can't have space for. So instead it's just the contrarian definition.
>>150182387Who got filtered? Not the retards arguing in the thread, they didn’t even see the movie and aren’t talking about it.>>150182325>>150182590Gunn 100% just liked the vibe of Punkrocker and wanted a thematic justification for putting the song in his movie. If you wanna find a deeper meaning you won’t, because Gunn doesn’t make movies like that, and that’s okay. I 100% believe that a farm boy from Kansas (or nerd from Missouri) would say something like that.>>150181228>>150182227I will say it was brilliant of Gunn to make Lois, the army brat nepo baby, be the one to argue about what REAL punk is, because it’s always the richest, gayest posers who are the loudest about that.
>>150181201I know this isn’t about the video OP posted, but it’s funny reading this as a response to a guy saying he liked the movie but the online fans are annoying and lie about reading comics
>>150182948>If you wanna find a deeper meaning you won’t,Tell that to all the jeets repeating the "HOPE IS PUNK ROCK LOL GET FILTERED" shit in every one of these threads for the last month.
>>150182998The only poser jeet is you
>>150177738It’s funny when they accuse of being a bad person because you didn’t like the film, they’re actually using a James Gunn schlock film as the litmus test for your morals hahaha
>>150183013Shitposting is the real punk rock, benchode.
>>150182948But the music Superman likes isn't punk, it's alt-rock.
>>150182325Punk IS a general vague counter-culture attitudeYou'd have to be a retarded shut-in dipshit to think that Punk is or has been one thing regardless of which location and time period you choose.
>>150182408see >>150181201They can't believe that good people exist because that would force them to reconcile with the fact that they're not good people.
post-punk is way better than punk rock
>>150183096And I’m sure Lois was listening to GG Allin while living in her 5 star general daddy’s NoVA McMansion
>>150177784Yeah, it's more Byrne's than anything which honestly I kind of prefer. It's crazy, the Snyder movies cribbed the name of his run and the birthing matrix but it couldn't be any further from it.
>>150177784They mean that Superman has robots at the Fortress of Solitude. I was hoping for Superman For All Seasons but Gunn refused to pull the trigger on Superman being a Christian and made him worship his parents.
>>150183216Right that's what's more frustrating. Lois gatekeeping punk like this opens up the conversation to what exactly is punk to her, inviting further gatekeeping that invites further gatekeeping until you realize that angle is a dumb conversation.So the "what is punk" is like "what is gangster" where punk and gangster are things you can be but are reduced to vibes, flavors of anti-establishment rebellion if you'd like. But now, after we're exhausted with trying to define punk, we are only half way there because if punk needs an establishment to be contrary to, something to stand up to... what's the establishment?
>>150181228Punk rockers used to mug people at knifepoint for drug money. There were many, MANY stabbings in the scene. The Ramones 53rd & 3rd is about Dee Dee Ramone killing a guy after sucking his dick for money to prove he's not a sissy. That was a thing that happened (punk even means a man who exists to be fucked by men. Like homeless heroin addicts and teenage runaway types.)
>>150177719Punk always been stupid and something jews invented so they could seem cool and rebellious.
>>150177784They're literally just madlinbing. NEW MOVIE was like FAMOUS COMIC
>>150183958>Punk rockers used to mug people at knifepoint for drug money.I'm sure it happened, but how common was it? Punks seemed to largely occupy a PC target that was funny and flashy, goof balls a hero can smack around when a "gang" was needed to serve as antagonists and casting the only non-whites in the movie as these antagonists would feel wrong.
>>150183216It'd be hilarious if Lois was a Nazi doll as a teenager and would ride along while the men gave boot parties to fags outside of Gotham clubs. Her real punk is like Centurion and Skrewdriver.
>>150184018You speak of punk rock as a fashion rebellion. Have you ever watched documentaries on the subject?
>>150184119>how common was it?I'm letting you know my ignorance right here, go ahead and inform me.
>>150184151Having a knife was like part of the code. It was a time before Donald Trump built up Manhattan and before Rudy Giuliani cleaned up Times Square, being a punk wasn't living at home with mom and dad and taking a train to the city to see a touring band in a bowling alley. It was a very violent time. Stabbing and being stabbed was a common occurrence. Picking fights for fun was a common occurrence. Shitty teenagers beating up their jailbait girlfriend's dads was common. Guns weren't common though. There were hippy drippy punks like Patti Smith and Talking Heads (yeah, not punk but they came up in Max's Kansas City which was like the artsy fartsy CBGBs for acts like Suicide.) The driving force for the music and the scene was hopelessness. When unhappiness is so normalized, why not stab an old lady to snatch her purse and get some junk to nod off for the night? Easier than sucking dick for $5, especially if closet fags won't even pay to fuck you.
>>150183842The robots at the fortress confused me. All Star Supes created them alongside all the wacky technologies he creates there because he’s a super genius with all the time in the world, but DCU Supes is a doofus who can’t figure out how a recorder works. From the way Four talks about it, the robots build themselves, but that still begs the question who built the first one. If it was the Els, why didn’t they pre program them to raise Kal as a Viltrumite? If it was Clark… how?
>>150177867>heh I bet you wouldn't be so nice to people who actively hate other people, now would you?
>>150184119UK punk rock was largely defined by Malcolm McLaren, whose primary occupation was as a fashion designer and retailer before becoming a producer. The Sex Pistols were literally created in a boutique owned by upperclass old money.
>>150184420That's really interesting, thank you. A lot has happened in 40 years.
>>150177867>Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the southEvery Thanksgiving with my uncle?
>>150184660>Assuming that the person described is hateful to justify treating them poorly for no actual reasonNot very kind or hopeful of you
>>150181604>Skinheads were stomp-on-sight. Punks understood that Nazis are like Roaches and if you don't mercilessly crush them they'll multiply. There are literal punk anthems about how awesome it is to kick the shit out of nazis.
>>150185995That post was a response to a post that made a similar assumption. You're showing how one side is held to a much higher standard than the other.
>>150177784>James Gunn’s Superman is nothing like Grant Morrison’s.People keep saying because no one reads comics let alone a decade run. I only read the run because I like Morrison, same with man of tomorrow by Alan Moore. Snyder's Man of steel feels closer to comics of that era funny enough. Gunns version feels like a parody.
>>150184545This is also a problem I have, they keep making superman a moron. His dad is a scientist, Clark has super intelligence. Yet hes always portrayed as farm boy jock.
>>150177843why would you publish something like this? Who enjoys this?
>>150187283I do. Fuck Clark, he's a pathetic nepo baby cunt.
>>150181645It isn't, the fantastical part is them going feral at them
>>150181201Gunn and Snyder are both terrible picks for a superman film. Warner Bros. are morons. You need a pulpy light hearted director. Get the Mummy director or someone similar. Brad Bird superman would be perfect, but hes blacklisted.
>>150181622tldr
>>150184119Punk is contrarian against society. Punk rock today would be a happy nuclear family.
>>150187357That's what I mean. If it's just contrarian, it's useless. It's supposed to have edgy anti-establishment vibes, but then comes the part of identifying the establishment and placing further qualifiers on what is punk to include specifically which or what kind of establishment.
>>150182387People are getting annoyed by people who act like they know some big secret and need to let you know that you're not a part of it.
>>150187551What do you mean? Punk gatekeeping?
>>150187357what does a man even get out of marriage nowadays? not even trying to be edgy or controversial, just marriage doesn't make sense for most men now.
>>150181057Exactly
