Couse I'm puckrocker yes iam!
>>150177719literally "we are da party of empathy!!" re-labeled
Is this a leftwing version of Hero Hei
>>150177738It also has the seal of approval from the star wars crying guy.
>>150177719James Gunn’s Superman is nothing like Grant Morrison’s. If I see one more redditor saying watching his Superman felt ripped straight from All Star Superman I’m gonna lose it. If they actually read it, this means vast majority of comic readers are functionally illiterate. And that’s the fans who at least try to read the comics.
>>1501777844chan is just reddit where you can openly hate things and not be silenced by downvotes but instead drowned out in yous.
>>150177719I forgot for a second that the Chinese are the 2nd biggest market for Snyderverse after the jeets.
>>150177719Sorry, the new Superman is for white people.
>>150177818You can have him lol
>being nice is the new punk rockPeople who say this are never actually nice. Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the south, and watch them go feral.
>>150177867Weird how ironic life is
>>150177867>I mean sure, they act nice, talk nice, enjoy nice things, and are overall nice people>but what about [fictional scenario in my head where they act how I want to imagine them, based on nothing they actually do]okay
It's wild because when I was growing up punk rockers were usually assholes and proud of it.
>>150178778Being nice is the new punk rock. Back then being nice was the norm, and punk rock was not.
>>150177719Guntards are everything you retards spewed about snyderfags all these years.
>>150179186gunn fans arent trying trying to boycott the latest movie because they are obsessed with the gunn-cut
>>150177867This
>>150177740>Hero HeiWho
>>150177867If someone has to tell you they're a nice person, they aren't.
>>150179230They will in 10 years when the DCU has been rebooted and some new retard is making a new terrible Superman movie
Watching people fold themselves into paper airplanes to justify their deep-rooted cynicism and selfishness has been absolutely wild, and that it was caused by a Superman movie of all things is just baffling.Sorry, but some people genuinely do care about others. Some people naturally view all of humanity as their in-group and have no out-group. Having to believe that no one is a kind person and that those claiming to care must be lying to hide ulterior motives is MASSIVE cope and projection, like when a closeted homosexual believes all straight men struggle with the impulse to suck some dick.
>>150178778Punk Rockers were only assholes to nazis and violent addicts Which were you?
>>150181228Congrats on making it obvious that you were born in the 00s.
>>150181201>Some people naturally view all of humanity as their in-group and have no out-group.Not true, but you're right in that it's still an ideal worth striving for. And that idealism is what's making people seethe.
>>150181228....nazis and skinheads were a good portion of punks back then.
>>15018125180's.>>150181307Skinheads were stomp-on-sight. Punks understood that Nazis are like Roaches and if you don't mercilessly crush them they'll multiply. There are literal punk anthems about how awesome it is to kick the shit out of nazis.>>150181260>Not true You're just telling on yourself
>>150177719>>150177738The "in an indifferent world, being kind is punk" lines fucking sucks. What is and isn't punk is an old, annoying conversation centered around a contemporary aesthetic that was mass marketed to the first world as a safe and shallow form of rebellion that, following the logic of the Superman definition, is just contrarianism. If that's the case, who gives a shit about what is and isn't punk unless you are the type who thinks punk is cool and prioritize being cool over being correct.This leads to shitty conversations where anyone can point to any shallow marketing angle of what can be deemed the establishment or the elite. And now we need to define the establishment and the elite and lay out their motives. Now you need to convince the right that every corporate and military industrial complex pride logo was pinkwashing while they describe the conspiracy of marxist leftists actually controlling Raytheon. To them, they are justifying being conservative or rightwing as being punk since it's been reduced to contrarianism and the system has laws against hate crime and corporations have diversity in marketing.All of this because they have a brief conversation about the coolness of moralfagging. I found this part annoying but it's fine, people can be annoying and say annoying things, have bullshit takes. The coolness of Superman is a topic that keeps coming up, it's one from our childhoods so it's appropriate to dig that up here.What ends up being "punk" is refusing to bow to authority to do what's right. Superheroes are often outside of the law, punk, but in Superman's case he shook up the American and global billionaire establishment by preventing a genocide. He "fights the power".
>You can't handle my critism!I don't even know who you are.
>>150181604Sure thing buddy
>>150178138I love how interacting with an old white guy is considered a fantastical scenario to you.
>>150181057he's a complaining guy.
>>150181228Lmao
>>150181105No, don't lie.
>>150181105you genuinely underplay just how insane the snyder cult is
>>150181641NTA but hating specifically "nazi punks" recognizes the existence of nazi punks and is descriptive of what they do to them. Punks as assholes (punk is another word for asshole) was common because that chaotic misanthropy served to disrupt an ordered system they saw as more cruel. Bringing problems and chaos to corporate conformity was a way to not just have fun, but bring about anarchy.
>>150178138you're retarded.
>>150181228Punk Rockers were almost exclusively violent addicts.
>>150181622>>150181683punk sucks,bro.
>>150177867>Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the south, and watch them go feral.No, they'll get shot especially if the person is black.
>>150181797That's fine.
>>150181680They aren’t even that insane. You can tell when a zoomie is new to the internet when they think snyderbots are uniquely bad. What do they do that’s so terrible? Make annoying posts? Just don’t read them lmao. Maybe you should boycott reading what they say bro lmaoo
>>150181688>Punk, the group that was known for brutally stomping out addicts and Nazis, was actually addicts and Nazis u guiseYou get the boot, too.
>>150177719Average person can't articulate a thought to save their lives, so I'll do it for them: This sort of talk is fucking retarded and sound gayer than a pride parade. It's fucking preachy, faggy bullshit from a guy who wouldn't know punk rock if it stabbed him in the dick with a broken bottle and then pissed on his face.
>>150182227Guise? They were very open about being violent addicts.
>>150181622>What ends up being "punk" is refusing to bow to authority to do what's right.You're conflating punk with a general, vague counter-culture attitude. Ill-defined, aimless rebeliousness. Not know what is actually mainstream nor the majority belief, but assuring yourself that whatever good things you believe in are actually the real counter-culture that is true and authenic and sincere and could do amazing things if everyone just got on board and also believed the good things.It is not punk. It is not rebellious. It is a symptom of a pretentious vapidity.
>>150182227The punks were the addicts and the violent thugs. Stop believing in tumblr historical revisionism that told you that punks were a community outreach program that did volunteer work and fed and clothed the starving poor.
People are really getting filtered by a Superman movie, huh.
>>150182325I'm not conflating shit, I used quotation marks to define punk as defined by the movie, not that I agree with it. "In an indifferent world, being kind and caring is punk" is shallow and vapid because it's the same logic as "in a liberal diverse world, being racist is punk".
>>150182387>people getting angry than superman is altruistic and proud of itwhat makes people do this?
>>150182387Define "filtered"
>>150181688There's a reason "straight edge" became a thing, not that poser anon would know about that.
>>150177719esl threadbot threadfaggot thread
>>150182408It's the old punk debate in a setting where Superman shook up the status quo globally so hard it made the US government reconsider an anti-metahuman alliance with Lex turned the Justice League from a corporate mercenary trio of pet metahumans into what we commonly understand it as.People often see Superman as lame and the opposite of lame is based which has some relation to the word punk. Superman as punk, someone rustling up government control and billionaire agendas, is what the vibe of the movie. And the dumb thing is is that movies don't need to explain their vibes or debate them. You can agree with it completely and still think it's dumb.
>>150182514What about that is that "punk" or even "punk rock" specifically? Those are things the punk subculture never did or was ever truly focused on doing no matter how many times it was revived.
>>150182507That's just every thread now, anon
>>150181228Anon, I....
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/punk?useskin=vector#Noun>(obsolete) A boy or younger man who engages in sexual intercourse by an older man as a (usually passive) homosexual partner. [from 1698]>Synonyms: catamite, gunsel>(chiefly US, LGBTQ) A passive or effeminate homosexual man.>Synonym: bottom>(US, LGBTQ, slang) A boy who accompanies a hobo, especially as used for sex. [from 1893]>(US, LGBTQ, derogatory, chiefly African-American Vernacular) A male homosexual. [from 1933]>Synonyms: see Thesaurus:male homosexual>(US, LGBTQ, prison slang) A man forced or coerced into a homosexual relationship, especially in prison. [from 1946]>Synonym: prison bitch>Because he was so weak, Vinny soon became Tony's punk."Superman is punk" deniers, our response?
>>150182824lol superman got raped by commies
>>150182590I'm following the Superman movie logic (if the world is indifferent, caring is punk) that also follows the nazi memer logic (you can't be punk if you like diversity because corporations say they like diversity). I'm saying it's bad logic either way.If you want to take it to just subculture, then it's even more useless because there it was just a heavily marketed subculture. Being pure here means you can't be punk anymore, it speaks to a specific group at a specific time and place. You can't just be that, you can only adopt the shallow aesthetics. But if you aren't going to be pure about it, then it really is just a costume and a style, a uniform for a certain vibe.It's like how does one be "country"? There are many answers and it isn't worth debating. How does Superman be punk? Could be an interesting conversation, but it's easy to get wrong and it needs to contain all caveats and qualifiers for context this movie can't have space for. So instead it's just the contrarian definition.
>>150182387Who got filtered? Not the retards arguing in the thread, they didn’t even see the movie and aren’t talking about it.>>150182325>>150182590Gunn 100% just liked the vibe of Punkrocker and wanted a thematic justification for putting the song in his movie. If you wanna find a deeper meaning you won’t, because Gunn doesn’t make movies like that, and that’s okay. I 100% believe that a farm boy from Kansas (or nerd from Missouri) would say something like that.>>150181228>>150182227I will say it was brilliant of Gunn to make Lois, the army brat nepo baby, be the one to argue about what REAL punk is, because it’s always the richest, gayest posers who are the loudest about that.
>>150181201I know this isn’t about the video OP posted, but it’s funny reading this as a response to a guy saying he liked the movie but the online fans are annoying and lie about reading comics
>>150182948>If you wanna find a deeper meaning you won’t,Tell that to all the jeets repeating the "HOPE IS PUNK ROCK LOL GET FILTERED" shit in every one of these threads for the last month.
>>150182998The only poser jeet is you
>>150177738It’s funny when they accuse of being a bad person because you didn’t like the film, they’re actually using a James Gunn schlock film as the litmus test for your morals hahaha
>>150183013Shitposting is the real punk rock, benchode.
>>150182948But the music Superman likes isn't punk, it's alt-rock.
>>150182325Punk IS a general vague counter-culture attitudeYou'd have to be a retarded shut-in dipshit to think that Punk is or has been one thing regardless of which location and time period you choose.
>>150182408see >>150181201They can't believe that good people exist because that would force them to reconcile with the fact that they're not good people.
post-punk is way better than punk rock
>>150183096And I’m sure Lois was listening to GG Allin while living in her 5 star general daddy’s NoVA McMansion
>>150177784Yeah, it's more Byrne's than anything which honestly I kind of prefer. It's crazy, the Snyder movies cribbed the name of his run and the birthing matrix but it couldn't be any further from it.
>>150177784They mean that Superman has robots at the Fortress of Solitude. I was hoping for Superman For All Seasons but Gunn refused to pull the trigger on Superman being a Christian and made him worship his parents.
>>150183216Right that's what's more frustrating. Lois gatekeeping punk like this opens up the conversation to what exactly is punk to her, inviting further gatekeeping that invites further gatekeeping until you realize that angle is a dumb conversation.So the "what is punk" is like "what is gangster" where punk and gangster are things you can be but are reduced to vibes, flavors of anti-establishment rebellion if you'd like. But now, after we're exhausted with trying to define punk, we are only half way there because if punk needs an establishment to be contrary to, something to stand up to... what's the establishment?
>>150181228Punk rockers used to mug people at knifepoint for drug money. There were many, MANY stabbings in the scene. The Ramones 53rd & 3rd is about Dee Dee Ramone killing a guy after sucking his dick for money to prove he's not a sissy. That was a thing that happened (punk even means a man who exists to be fucked by men. Like homeless heroin addicts and teenage runaway types.)
>>150177719Punk always been stupid and something jews invented so they could seem cool and rebellious.
>>150177784They're literally just madlinbing. NEW MOVIE was like FAMOUS COMIC
>>150183958>Punk rockers used to mug people at knifepoint for drug money.I'm sure it happened, but how common was it? Punks seemed to largely occupy a PC target that was funny and flashy, goof balls a hero can smack around when a "gang" was needed to serve as antagonists and casting the only non-whites in the movie as these antagonists would feel wrong.
>>150183216It'd be hilarious if Lois was a Nazi doll as a teenager and would ride along while the men gave boot parties to fags outside of Gotham clubs. Her real punk is like Centurion and Skrewdriver.
>>150184018You speak of punk rock as a fashion rebellion. Have you ever watched documentaries on the subject?
>>150184119>how common was it?I'm letting you know my ignorance right here, go ahead and inform me.
>>150184151Having a knife was like part of the code. It was a time before Donald Trump built up Manhattan and before Rudy Giuliani cleaned up Times Square, being a punk wasn't living at home with mom and dad and taking a train to the city to see a touring band in a bowling alley. It was a very violent time. Stabbing and being stabbed was a common occurrence. Picking fights for fun was a common occurrence. Shitty teenagers beating up their jailbait girlfriend's dads was common. Guns weren't common though. There were hippy drippy punks like Patti Smith and Talking Heads (yeah, not punk but they came up in Max's Kansas City which was like the artsy fartsy CBGBs for acts like Suicide.) The driving force for the music and the scene was hopelessness. When unhappiness is so normalized, why not stab an old lady to snatch her purse and get some junk to nod off for the night? Easier than sucking dick for $5, especially if closet fags won't even pay to fuck you.
>>150183842The robots at the fortress confused me. All Star Supes created them alongside all the wacky technologies he creates there because he’s a super genius with all the time in the world, but DCU Supes is a doofus who can’t figure out how a recorder works. From the way Four talks about it, the robots build themselves, but that still begs the question who built the first one. If it was the Els, why didn’t they pre program them to raise Kal as a Viltrumite? If it was Clark… how?
>>150177867>heh I bet you wouldn't be so nice to people who actively hate other people, now would you?
>>150184119UK punk rock was largely defined by Malcolm McLaren, whose primary occupation was as a fashion designer and retailer before becoming a producer. The Sex Pistols were literally created in a boutique owned by upperclass old money.
>>150184420That's really interesting, thank you. A lot has happened in 40 years.
>>150177867>Plop down a in front of them a 70 year old retired conservative from the southEvery Thanksgiving with my uncle?
>>150184660>Assuming that the person described is hateful to justify treating them poorly for no actual reasonNot very kind or hopeful of you
>>150181604>Skinheads were stomp-on-sight. Punks understood that Nazis are like Roaches and if you don't mercilessly crush them they'll multiply. There are literal punk anthems about how awesome it is to kick the shit out of nazis.
>>150185995That post was a response to a post that made a similar assumption. You're showing how one side is held to a much higher standard than the other.
>>150177784>James Gunn’s Superman is nothing like Grant Morrison’s.People keep saying because no one reads comics let alone a decade run. I only read the run because I like Morrison, same with man of tomorrow by Alan Moore. Snyder's Man of steel feels closer to comics of that era funny enough. Gunns version feels like a parody.
>>150184545This is also a problem I have, they keep making superman a moron. His dad is a scientist, Clark has super intelligence. Yet hes always portrayed as farm boy jock.
>>150177843why would you publish something like this? Who enjoys this?
>>150187283I do. Fuck Clark, he's a pathetic nepo baby cunt.
>>150181645It isn't, the fantastical part is them going feral at them
>>150181201Gunn and Snyder are both terrible picks for a superman film. Warner Bros. are morons. You need a pulpy light hearted director. Get the Mummy director or someone similar. Brad Bird superman would be perfect, but hes blacklisted.
>>150181622tldr
>>150184119Punk is contrarian against society. Punk rock today would be a happy nuclear family.
>>150187357That's what I mean. If it's just contrarian, it's useless. It's supposed to have edgy anti-establishment vibes, but then comes the part of identifying the establishment and placing further qualifiers on what is punk to include specifically which or what kind of establishment.
>>150182387People are getting annoyed by people who act like they know some big secret and need to let you know that you're not a part of it.
>>150187551What do you mean? Punk gatekeeping?
>>150187357what does a man even get out of marriage nowadays? not even trying to be edgy or controversial, just marriage doesn't make sense for most men now.
>>150181057Exactly
>>150187547Punk failed because the working class lads found jobs, got married had kids and became conservatives. It's hard to fight against the establishment if they give you money, hope for the future. Maybe we'll have a revival thanks to AI and Immigration? Gen Alpha walking through the streets in black face and butt plugs up their assholes.
>>150187685Married men are happier than their single counterparts, they live longer, are more productive. Marriage is a huge boost for men especially college educated.
>>150187833i don't think we have enough data to prove this one way or the other since not being married being normalized and somewhat common is just now becoming a thing starting with millennials. before millennials came of age being married before 30 was just the norm. now it's closer to 50/50. maybe in 20-30 years we'll have better data but it's speculation at best for now.
>>150182227>Darby Crash died from heroin>Sid Vicious wore swastika>Steve Albini hated blacks>pic related I wish sage still worked
>>150177784True
>>150184018The extreme violence, drug abuse, and destructive behavior was more excessively common than any instance of punk being a wholesome collectivist movement for community solidarity and charity work, like redditors believe. Specifically because there's so few recorded instances of that ever happening, that it's quite easy to mark them as exceptions that prove the rule.
>>150188121The decline in marriages is from the working class/high school drop outs.The College educated have the highest rates of marriages and the lowest rates of divorce. We have the data. Couples also report happier on average than their single counterparts. Singles and single mothers report the lowest. You can use google AI advanced search to get the data.
>>150181228Punk rockers were assholes to everyone.Unless you're talking about the broad category of alternative rock musicians in the 1970s, punk has always been a really insular and aggressive group of assholes with a bunch of dumb ass social rules. Punks usually are misanthropes.
>>150188948>We have the datai mean we don't. oldest millennials are just nearing their mid forties.>The College educated have the highest rates of marriages then why does it seem like career focused well educated millennial women are having trouble finding good enough men to marry?
>>150179230You must be retarded if you think the movie would've succeeded without the boycott. It was a horrible movie. Gunnfags remain retarded.
>>150179230No, they just hail the movie as perfection and brand anyone who dares claim otherwise a cultist or a terrible person while propping up Gunn like he's Christ and taking his word as gospel>>150181201What's baffling is trying to frame someone's like/dislike of a movie as some sort of moral testing ground
>>150177719It's really sad that there's people out there who turned hating anything that isn't Snyderverse their entire life.
>>150187283It's pretty good drama. The russian thing in other hand...
>>150189038>then why does it seem like career focused well educated millennial women are having trouble finding good enough men to marry?Use your head. Only so many rich handsome men to go around. These women end up dating down.Again the data is there.
>>150177806pretty sure this guy talks shit about Snyder all the time
It's incredibly tiresome that this argument keeps getting rehashed and every fucking thread has to have a refresher on the history of punk rock. The biggest problem here being that Superman directly says "Punk rock" and not "not" or any variation on the concept of counter-cultural attitudes towards the current zeitgeist/mainstream."Punk" as a general term, has been drenched with positive connotations of fighting injustice caused by the system and/or contemporary beliefs. Instead of referring to a specific movement or belief system, it is simply mythologizing punks as these inherently good, positive figures who have always held positive, pro-social, altruistic beliefs and acted on them in the name of a greater good, in spite of everything that the world throws at them. This is pure bullshit as that has never been what a "punk" is, what "punk" music preached, or what "punk" fashion-oriented subcultures ever did.Punk Music, and "Punk Rock" which Gunn referenced directly, on the other hand, has a long, dirty, violent, drug-filled, unpleasant history. Again, the idea of being "punk rock" is connotatively cool and rebellious and edgy, but beyond that superficial reading of the music subculture, there is no goodness or noble rebellious spirit that was truly yearning to do good things and rally against the negativity and cynical nihilism of its time. And then it died and got brought back several times as a corporate, fashion-first identity to sell to edgy teens who wanted a reason to try and look cool and seem tough.The "kindness is the real punk rock" line is incredibly fucking stupid and faggy no matter how you slice it.
>>150189532So it sounds like the rich handsome millennial and younger men will live happier and longer and every other man can eat shit i guess.
>>150177719
>>150189591i thought trump killed woke doe.
>>150189567>This is pure bullshit as that has never been what a "punk" is, what "punk" music preached>RISE ABOVE WE'RE GONNA RISE ABOVE!
>>150189635Punk rock bads used to be about being mad at your dads. Diing drugs. Getting drunk. And getting into fist fights90s gangster rap popularity pushed punk off the charts now that the 80s was overIt tried to comeback in the early 2000s with bands like Green Day, Simple Plan and Papa Roach.It ended up being a bunch of cringy almost pop like rock songa because the industry wanted more Brittney and Timberlake so you got 'punk bands' that were more like rock versions of N-Sync style boy bands
>>150189038This is also a good article on the subjecthttps://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2025/03/marrying-down-wife-education-hypogamy/682223/
>>150189718>It tried to comeback in the early 2000s with bands like Green Day, Simple Plan and Papa Roach.Can't help but notice, none of the bands you mention here wrote Rise Above.
>>150189635And then the band and it's shows were so violent that it caused Ron Reyes to ditch the band, the second lead singer after Keith Morris quit because he was a violent drunk and horrendous drug addict. Not to mention how they were blacklisted from many venues because their shows were so violent and destructive. But yes. "Rise above" noble, gentle, kind punks.
>>150187325Literally nobody wants to work at Warner anymore. Not even Gunn did. He was sort of forced to accept the second time Warner asked because this was after being labeled a pedo and blacklisted.
>>150181201is a butterfly effect, all started with superman returns flopping and ledger's joker making a billion, not batman.
>>150189768He probably said yes to give his wife some work.
>>150177793That's still better than Reddit because on Reddit your comment gets hidden on the bottom of the page where no one can see it and most people will just read a few of the top comments so that way normies successfully avoid the wrongthink
>>150189776>superman returns floppingThe numbers were fine, the sequel was greenlit. WB tanked the whole thing because of budget concerns. Then they spend $225 on man of steel & $225 million on this slop. kek
>>150189760You didn't say that in the initial post, what you said was "Punks never preached fighting for a better tommorrow in their songs" and furiously started googling the band's history for some good dirty laundary when your statement was falsified by the chorus of one damn song.
>>150184952The UK punk scene formed in the wake of a tour the Ramones did. People like Joe Strummer got backstage to meet them and were reassured that anyone could make music like them. The funniest story is Johnny Rotten was afraid to meet them because he thought the Ramones were a legit street gang that would kick the shit out of him. And while Malcolm McLaren did capitalize on the burgeoning popularity of punk among the disaffected youth, there were more punk bands than just the Pistols. And even if the band was a glorified snotty boy band, Public Image Ltd is good.
>>150189877I never said >"Punks never preached fighting for a better tommorrow in their songs"Either. You made that up because you can't disprove that Punks and Punk Rock have always been generally negative, impotent, and violent things to be, and no amount of ignorant revisionism changes the fact that those bands were full of violent idiots who did destructive and unpleasant things to themselves and others.
>>150189976Punk has always been against nazis, that's a fact
>>150189736women online at least seem to be vehemently against dating/marrying down. the men who can't compete and make good enough money either marry their same social class or just drop out of dating. people think we've moved past the idea that men NEED to make more money than the woman nowadays but society (and women) absolutely still shames men if they can't be a suitable provider and bring home the bacon in the relationship. so it creates a dating market of women not willing to settle and men being intimidated or shamed out of dating women who make more than them.
>>150190020Except the nazi punks, who were also part of the scene.
>>150181604Of course they made songs like that. Fucking crews of Nazis used to come in from out of town specifically to stomp people. Dead Kennedys didn't hate Nazi punks because they hated ethnics, Dead Kennedys hated Nazi punks because they showed up to fight.
>>150190054never existed
>>150189760That reminds me of the Henry Rollins story where someone kept fucking with him during a BF show and it lead to him wrapping the mic chord around their neck and asking them directly, "How does it feel to die?"
>>150190061They made songs about them.
>>150190027>women onlineThe Tea App exposed these ghouls for what they're. Happy pretty women are not online 24/7 hating men for being broke.
Smells like Curry
>>150181201this is chatgpt isn't it
>>150190027And men online are vehemently against dating single moms but if they knew one who was sweet on them and their kid liked playing with them, they'd step up to be a step dad faster than you could say hypocrite. The very nature of being online invites a shopping culture where a better choice is only a click away. In meat space, chemistry still matters.
>>150190061Are you just going to pretend skinheads aren’t a thing?
>>150190128Does chatgpt say "suck some dick"?
>>150190139Why would I want to date used goods and raise another man's sperm?
>>150190155the fuck do I know. maybe he trained it on his dad
>>150190100Gen X spinsters are the modern day witch. I recommend a witch purge.
>>150190150Skinheads aren't, and were never considered punk.
>>150190020>I'M A NAZI BABY, I'M THE NAZI, YES I AM>I'M A NAZI SHOTZI YOU KNOW I'M FIGHTING FOR THE FATHERLAND And it was a Jew singing it.
>>150189567Since a few to none actually want to discuss the movie, this is a point that I agree and is somewhat ironic that it ends up fitting on a movie that doesn't do any effort to actually explore any themes.This dogshit movie hinges on you already knowing who the characters are. Nothing bad with it, but makes it so it doesn't have to do any effort in actually delving into the characters and why things matter to them. Why do it if you already know that Lex is the baddie and Supes is the good guy?Using punk in the movie is the same thing. In the same way that calling something anarchy as a poorman's shorthand for chaos or unruly so too does punk mean rebellion. A very sanitized and generic version of an attitude that's no longer tied to the people who were the punks. Why bother, we all know what punk means am I right fellow kids, why bother? Supes IS the new punk because he's rebelling against cynicism (that too is misunderstood, ought to be pessimism)Honestly can't understand what people see in this movie. I came in expecting this to be a live action version of JLU cartoon, and even that would have been a bad sign. Rehashing old shit to excite people is never a good start. But in hindsight would have been a better move.
>>150190139>if they knew one who was sweet on them and their kid liked playing with themI dated single moms and they don't take the kid with them at first, they put out because they're desperate for a provider and then you are supposed to meet the kid but that never happened lol
>>150190156Because you get to know them and you mesh so well that you can't imagine not being around them. On a dating app, yeah you can swipe left on that shit. But when they are people to you, it's a different story.
>>150190139>And men online are vehemently against dating single moms but if they knew one who was sweet on them and their kid liked playing with them, they'd step up to be a step dad faster than you could say hypocrite.a man can get his shit together and get better educated or move up the ladder at his workplace. you can't separate yourself from that kid ever once you've had it. they're a part of your life permanently. comparing a woman dating down to a man dating a single mother is fucking retarded.
>>150190219>Because you get to know them>womenfucking LOL
>>150190219single or divorced fathers should date single mothers. forcing a kid on a man who neither likes kids or wants them is a recipe for disaster.
>>150190180Yes they were, they were part of the British punk culture.
>>150190204I could understand if some other parts of the movie really excited people, but it's this "kindness is punk rock" and "hope is the new punk" shit that is all over the fucking place. Everyone rushing to tell the internet how Superman being a nice guy made them change their lives and how unbelievably revelatory it was to experience the scene where Superman talks about hope. These things aren't even a large portion of the running time, and far more eyecatching things happen throughout the movie. Not even the scene where Superman talks about Lex Luthor about being "human too" seemed to stick in anyone's mind as much as this vapid punk rock line.
>>150190315>"kindness is punk rock" and "hope is the new punk"
>>150189567Look the whole thing was a cheap means to say that being kind in the world today is an act of rebellion. I mean if you leave out how shallow that sort of mentality is and how it’s effectively just propaganda for people that want to present themselves as being kind and compassionate without having to actually act that way. You’re left with just some retarded buzz phrase that normalfags are meant to eat up and not think to hard on.
>>150190377>being kind in the world today is an act of rebellionhow does that even make sense when the second you refuse to tolerate and get cucked by society general you go to jail?
>>150189749So you have one no name band that made one song about being mad at the bush eraCool storyNo one liked bushFucking King of the Hill was making fun of BushYeah real punk in the same mindset as Hank Hill
>>150190415Because the people that say this shit have to go through a level of mental gymnastics that is rivaled by people with schizophrenia. Tolerance is good, unless it’s someone that doesn’t tolerate me. Empathy is great, until I have to do it with someone I don’t like. I am on the side of science and progress, unless it goes against my agenda. It’s always the same shit.
>>150190415When you put the party that dislikes the same type of people you do in government.
it must be mentally exhausting to spend every waking moment seething about a culture war that largely only exists online. while irl the majority of people just want to afford groceries and make a decent wage. this culture war shit is a legitimate psyop to keep people distracted i swear to god.
>>150190605>"Why do you care?" whines man wasting time on 4chan and getting angry that people are making threads about things he claims to not care about.
>>150177719this chink clearly doesn't even read comics he just regurgitates shit from twitter and reddit how did he become popular
>>150190815i get angry that every single one of my regular boards have been filled with this sort of discourse for years yeah. it's more the fault of the mods as well but people who literally make it their lifes mission to be culture warriors online are just as big of an issue as shit moderation. do literally anything else with your time besides fighting battles that don't mean anything online. i just don't understand the point.
>>150190315much like anything nowadays, people look to latch onto meaning for dumb culture war shit, on all frontsand I cringe hard whenever people from the movie try to make a stand for current events when the movie half asses the plot of Superman interveening. I was actually invested in that plot point but it seemed to be more concerned with wanking Superman as the cool dude rather than actually question his actionsAfter all, the appeal of Superman is that he's the guy with all the power but chooses to limit himself so that other people can also lead by example. That having all might doesn't make right and that movie missed it by a mile
>>150190605Oh look, it’s this cope again.
>>150190826so he's just like us
>>150191104>I hate the culture war>Oh yeah? Talk about it nonstop then No, hating it involves not wanting to talk about it
>>150191104i have literally never seen anyone freak out about culture war discourse in real life. maybe since i intentionally try to stay away from mentally ill people.
>>150184660Anybody can be nice to a good person. It takes a genuine nice person to be kind to a real dirtbag.
>>150191205So you’re in favor of it but since you can’t actually defend it in any capacity you’re just pretending to be a neutral party to get people to stop openly opposing your bullshit like I said. Because what you’re doing doesn’t make any sense. If you hate the discourse then you would ask yourself what the root of it was. And by then you would see it and know that if the constant push of idpol shit in media stopped so would the discourse as there would be nothing to talk about. Yet here you are lashing out against the people that are calling out the bullshit. Also if you don’t care then you wouldn’t have replied or said any of this shit in the first place.
>>150191222There have been entire protests pushing for this shit in both government and the workplace. But at least you know they’re mentally ill.
>>150191245respect demands respect.
>>150177719Is there such a thing for an anti-ad populum fallacy? Like something must be wrong because a lot of people are saying it?
>>150191245Within measure. Superman still gets mad at Luthor for being an asshole.
>>150187833Married women live less than their single counterparts. Clearly we must illegalize women from from marrying.
>>150191314you're missing the forest for the trees. if your life is so perfect your main thing to direct all your time and effort towards is the fucking stupid culture war then you must be doing pretty fucking well all things considering.
>>150191333That’s still ad populem, the fallacy isn’t necessarily about people saying something is good. But rather that the person using is saying logic “x is y because lots of people think/say so” which doesn’t actually prove anything logically and thus makes it a fallacy.
>>150191372So not only do you have no argument against what I just said, but you now you have to resort to ad hominem.
>>150191403Ok so even saying the new Superman is bad because a lot of people came away saying being kind is the new punk rock would still be ad populum.Sadly I am not gonna watch this guy's video.
>>150191447I feel like at that point you’re not arguing that it’s bad because people think it is and more about the message itself. So really you would then just argue whether that message is good or bad and provide reasons depending on which stance you take.
>>150191269Didn't read, "if you hated talking about it you would talk about it nonstop" makes your strawman comic ironically make the wrong character like a strawman
>>150191526You did read it, you just don’t have a counter argument so you have to try and agitate me. Also it’s not a strawman if it’s exactly what you’re doing right now. You showed as much by both acting as you are now and not crying that it was a strawman when I first posted it. The irony of course being that you made your own strawman. I guess every accusation is an admission with culture warriors.>if you hated talking about it you would talk about it nonstopWho are you quoting? I never said this. I just pointed out why you are so keen to stop discourse against culture war shit despite being neutral.
honestly its all snyder fault, hes a nihilistic retard and projected his ideas into DCcheck the interview for BvS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ByktxSZeQ
>>150191435either you're privileged enough to direct all your effort into something pointless or you're a brainless puppet. either way you're a fucking asshole.
>>150190872>filledYou found one thread out of over 100 about one specific topic. Lmao.
>>150191737Why do you feel the need to throw a tantrum like this after being proven wrong? You just completely dropped the argument to go all in on logical fallacies.
>>150182924And what does it say about it?
>>150181201You cheered when Hawkgirl dropped the old guy to his death.
>>150177867I don't hate conservatives, I'm frustrated that they routinely vote against their own economic interests and to put more money in the pockets of the wealthy because they have dumb imagined gripes against immigrants and minorities. That's not the same as hate.
>>150193506Are you as frustrated when democrats do the same thing? When those same politicians who once used the same talking points about needing a border wall and stronger deportation switched their opinions because they made that a red team opinion and they had to uphold the fake competition between them while both sides profited off of the slave class of illegal immigrants?
>>150189591That's what I mean. Superman as punk doesn't make sense because contrarian as punk means being racist is punk. It's dumb.
>>150193713>Are you as frustrated when democrats do the same thing?Yes I'm frustrated that Democrats have pivoted right and now have the exact same positions as Republicans on the border, Israel/Palestine, and wealth inequality and in fact think they're nearly as bad as the Republican party barring like a few individuals.
>>150193713Democrats are comparatively better. Moving goalposts to just "muh both sides" means there's no limit to how bad any side can be, we just focus on the fact that they can be bad at all. It's retarded.
>>150177719I'm not forming my opinions based off some Chinese looking motherfucker-
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>>150193971Yes, which means it’s retarded to keep voting for a bunch of people that show they don’t give a shit about the people the are supposed to represent.
>>150193971>Democrats are comparatively betterLmao you're fucking retarded and pretending to be politically informed while you treat the whole thing like cheering for a sports team.
>>150177719>Kindness is the new punk rockWhat....? Just be kind if you want to be kind. If you need to have a "rebellious" "power" narrative around it that raises questions about what you mean when you say kindness.
>>150195343Does it? Or are you just mindlessly saying that?
>>150195239You're not saying I'm wrong, you're just assuming I see making informed decisions as a sport and that I'm cheering rather than just making observations. If I'm wrong go ahead and describe how I'm wrong.>Moving goalposts to just "muh both sides" means there's no limit to how bad any side can be, we just focus on the fact that they can be bad at all.This is just true.
>>150195343I get that, but by "punk" they mean "based" as in cool. People want to be cool, not just good. They want to be based. It's the selfish angle of the self actualization that comes with doing what's right and being right.
Is Superman punk rock now?
Not being pro genocide is pretty antistablishment these days.
>>150177867Its always funny how chuddies use fictional scenarios that they just make up on the spot to feel better about being miserable faggots.
>>150181307No they dont, you retarded zoomer lmao
>>150187685What do you think men want from marriage now? A female slave/baby factory?
>>150177738>>150177719The current politics is very much anti empathy. Every one should be looking to advance themselves. To be kind, to be empathetic, To care, is subversive in an era when a man is called weak for having empathy, when a Christian is called demonic for caring and when the top of the system demands that you be apathetic so as it can do whatever it pleases.
>>150192958his delusions
I don't know how "woke" movies are considered a bad thing. When you think about it a movie that tells you "Hey guys racism is bad, climate change is destroying the planet, the rich are constantly exploiting the working man for their own personal gain, minorities should be given more representation, and also countries committing war crimes should be stopped at all cost" should be a positive experience.Instead manchildren are crying about it claiming its "pushing a message", when really all its doing is making basic common sense statements even a toddler wouldn't find issue with. These sad sacks of worthlessness go as far as to send directors and actors death threats on social media. They even do it to movies and shows that don't actually have any real "politics" in them like the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot for example. It's just a dumb comedy movie but these clowns were out there acting like it was a "feminist propaganda" movie when...it wasn't? Also how is a movie having a feminist lean to it bad anyhows?
>>150193971>Democrats are comparatively better.I've seen the socialist policies democrats enact destroy this country, in what way are they better?
>>150194036Hi Henry
>>150181201Superman is a cynical movie because it doesn't believe that talking to someone is enough to convince or inspire them. E.g., Superrman talking to Metamorpho isn't enough to change his mind, he has to see Lex kill a guy first. So heckin' gritty and realistic. Superman doing talk no jutsu would be LAME, amirite?
>>150177719All Superman fans are ass.
>>150196897You want to kill blacks, gays and trannies, and rape women. Where is empathy in that? You're the one advocating for mass murder.
>>150198076The topic was representing public interests, not what you see as destroying the country. For example there's Lina Khan who had bi-partisan support, broke up major trusts, and was attacking the data brokering industry. She was appointed by Biden. She also helped set up the push for Right to Repair which gets in the way of the "you will own nothing and you will be happy" corporate agenda. Trump has 13 billionaires on his cabinet and they serve their own interests, for example Biden put restrictions on banks charging overdraft fees, Trump and his cabinet removed those restrictions. Obama had 1 billionaire on his cabinet, Biden had 0. Trump wants to remove the estate tax which now only comes into play if you have more than $15,000,000 to pass on. You can be a millionaire and not be impacted by the estate tax.
>>150198203But when is cynicism realism? I know that's always the annoying response, but to think every desperate situation has the right set of words to enact perfect cooperation and understanding is to ignore the flaws that make us human.
>>150198216why the fuck can't I stop laughing at this
>>150198230>representing public interestsRepublicans like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie do a better job at representing public interests because their policies benefits everyone.>Right to RepairIt sounds nice, but it can lead to more federal control. The answer to that is to not buy shit that limits what you can do with what you buy. Regulating industries only benefits the companies that are already established.>Biden had 0And yet Biden's green energy mandate benefited Elon Musk anyway.>bank overdraft feesYou can switch to a bank that doesn't fuck you over, you don't need more government regulation. Elizabeth Warren did enough with her CFP Bureau micromanaging the economy through banks.>estate taxDo you not want people who acquire assets worth over one million in their lifetime to leave to their descendants? People get taxed in living, now you think they deserve it in death? The unbelievably wealthy is still getting taxed so what's the issue.To be clear, I don't think Trump was a particularly great choice, he's a Democrat at heart after all. But can you say with good conscience that Harris would do a better job?
>>150198216I have no horse in this race, but it is funny how people who literally copy the >AM I SILLYcope response to comics shitting on them, but then do the exact thing back a others.
>>150198905>Rand Paul>The answer to that is to not buy shit that limits what you can do with what you buy. Regulating industries only benefits the companies that are already established.Oh no, a libertarian. If regulating industries only benefits those that are established, the established industries wouldn't lobby against regulations.>And yet Biden's green energy mandate benefited Elon Musk anyway.I'm not saying they didn't ever benefit billionaires. The fact that you need to throw this out like a gotcha shows you're not understanding what's being said or you're choosing not to acknowledge it.>You can switch to a bank that doesn't fuck you over, you don't need more government regulation.You're against restricting overdraft fees because you can just shop around and find gas that doesn't use lead. This is policy that benefits people over bankers and you're such a libertarian you think it's bad on principle. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is so good for the people it's billionaires raging against it. Tell me how it's bad for regular workers and consumers.>Do you not want people who acquire assets worth over one million in their lifetime to leave to their descendants?The estate tax only comes into play if you pass on over $14,000,000. Why frame it as "over one million"? Were you misled?>But can you say with good conscience that Harris would do a better job?Yes, by merit of people getting homicidal when a dem does half the shit Trump does. Also she didn't run on tariffs and deregulation of crypto and data centers which are making our energy prices increase. Sure, she's not as Zionist as Trump, but I have a feeling that doesn't matter much to you.
>>150177738>We are the party of empathy!>I disagree with a fraction of views but overall I'm on your si->I FUCKING HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU AND YOUR KIDS GET MURDERED YOU FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT
>>150199319Sure there are lefties on social media saying dumb shit, but people in power on the right, paid people with influence, are pushing against empathy entirely. "Sin of empathy" "empathetic narcissism", etc. Even this heat map that the right uses against the left is just saying that the right is so tribal they don't care about right and wrong done to people outside their tribe. It's a standard continuation of the whole "bleeding heart" thing coping with the blatant brutality and violence required to enact and maintain rightwing agendas and policy. Based, but it requires anti-empathy messaging.
>>150189817Yeah but it’s not like anyone here is better, if you could downvote in 4chan people would do the same shit.
>>150199935>if you could downvote in 4chan people would do the same shit.Instead, people here cry to the mods to have posts deleted kek
Pol faggots need to kill themselves.
>>150198270It's fine to include that in a story, but not when it's being advertised as wholesome and unashamed of its sentimental values.
>>150200225But it needs darkness for those values to shine through. Even more counter to the point is the villain existing at all. Part of this conversation is that dumb line about how caring in an indifferent world is cool, so why can't there be shown an indifferent world to be consistent with that theme?
>>150200262No, having an opposition for the hero's values is good, this allows the hero to struggle and their values to shine through and affect the world around him. The problem is that in this scene, the hero is not the one who affects the world, the hero does not get to show his strengths in a meaningful way to resolve the problem. The problem just kind of sorts itself out through no action of his own, because the idealistic solution would've been too idealistic for a movie allegedly all about idealism.
It easier being a piece of shit. Punk Rock is accepting your fellow man. Being a thug of the state has never been punk.
Superman should not be hopeful
>>150200689Why not?
>>150199272>the established industries wouldn't lobby against regulations.Because certain regulations become too restrictive or costly. Big banks fought parts of Dodd-Frank because it forced them to hold more capital, which means small businesses or people with shaky credit might struggle to get loans.>Tell me how it's bad for regular workers and consumers.The CFPB's rules makes banks and lenders tighten up, offering less credit to those with low income. That means less options for someone struggling to pay bills.>Were you misled?I might have misunderstood what you meant. I figured you wanted the tax to target even more millionaires. Yes, Trump has expressed that he wants to remove the estate tax. However, the exemption is currently $13.99M which Trump raised to $15M starting 2026. If he actually wants it gone, he's not doing a very good job.>YesTariffs were a popular Democrat position over two decades ago, the only reason they hate it now is because Trump. Heavy regulations not only gives the government more power, but raises prices further. Biden's Inflation Reduction Act may sound nice, but it drives up energy costs way more than deregulation of crypto and data centers. Adding a methane emissions fee passes them on to consumers, and straining the grid because of the fast transition to renewables raises prices even more. Not to mention Harris's proposed tax on unrealized gains destroying the economy.>ZionistYes, that's one of the things I don't like about Trump. Your excessive ad hominem leads me to believe you don't want an actual discussion.I'll leave you with this: the Democratic party's modus operandi is appeal to emotion, they ignore the reality of their policies because they make it sound beneficial to people like you and me. Republicans at the moment have no identity. Right now, they're just Democrats from over a decade ago who have been ostracized by the radical shift of their party.
No, the true Punk is going against everyone else.If people are kind, hate them.If they hate you back, continue to hate and offend them.Hatred, bigotry, and cynicism is the true punk rock
>>150198022>guys racism is badAnd white people>climate change is destroying the planetHasn’t been a thing people bitched about for a while>the rich are constantly exploiting the working man for their own personal gainAs said by the massive billion dollar corporation doing a “how do you do fellow kids” routine>minorities should be given more representationWhy? Tokenism isn’t cool, I don’t see why you think that you should just shove minorities into everything. >and also countries committing war crimes should be stopped at all costUnless they abide by your agenda.>Instead manchildren are crying about it claiming its "pushing a message"Because it is, you just acknowledged that by admitting the movies were woke. Also going to point out how you fags tried desperately to say that wokeness wasn’t a thing and there were no agendas being put into films and other media. >when really all its doing is making basic common sense statements even a toddler wouldn't find issue withA toddler doesn’t have an understanding of cultural subversion or how people can twist ideas to get people to do what they want. >They even do it to movies and shows that don't actually have any real "politics" in them like the 2016 Ghostbusters rebootYou mean the reboot of a beloved film with an all male cast and decided to make it into lazy girl power shit? Yeah nothing there. Reminder that wokeness is just cultural marxism and marxist love nothing more than to lie about the most basic shit.
>>150200771>Because certain regulationsThis is all either of us need to say. Certain regulations. There are good and bad regulations. Reagan era deregulation led to an increased corporate capture of the government as well as workers and then everything else with the creation of private equity firms and stock buybacks. You're right that there can be bad regulations.>The CFPB's rules makes banks and lenders tighten up, offering less credit to those with low income. That means less options for someone struggling to pay billsThat's interesting, I'll have to look into that. I know there are solutions that, even if they're perfect, have consequences like these and we need to weigh just how bad it is with the benefits. Like solar panels do drive down your cost for energy personally, but the energy industry is rigged to compensate for that loss by charging your neighbors more. That aspect needs to be examined too.>If he actually wants it gone, he's not doing a very good job.It's incremental and he has over 3 years left.>Tariffs were a popular Democrat position over two decades ago, the only reason they hate it now is because Trump.Two decades ago is over a decade before Trump and coming out of the "I think covid inflation is Biden inflation so I'm going to vote against Biden in hope of things somehow getting cheaper under Trump" campaign cycle with a plan that makes everything more expensive doesn't make sense. If you're that worried about the deficit, why cut taxes? And the tariffs were described as a retaliation on "liberation day" as if tariffs on America weren't to protect the much smaller economies. He has a cabinet of 13 billionaires and he's representing their interests.>Your excessive ad hominemI know libertarian is such a mean thing to call someone, but I can't explain what drives someone to defend a president and his billionaire cabinet removing the previous administration's restrictions on overdraft fees.
>>150177784Reminded me a bit of Morrison’s Action Comics run but I haven’t read that in a decade so I could be wrong. It’s certainly not like All-Star
>>150200582It's like Joker's two boats bomb thing in Dark Knight. They technically saved themselves, they were just there to show goodness is something randos like us are capable of and we can save the day every day. This guy is a superhuman with a baby hostage situation, a little different, but thematically the same.
>>150201053>Reminder that wokeness is just cultural marxism and marxist love nothing more than to lie about the most basic shit.But this just means that you get to call things woke, accuse people of being marxist, and then dismiss all information that goes against your assumptions as lies. Reminder that you're a disingenuous retard.
>>150201829Notice how he can’t argue anything I’ve said and just tries to dismiss it as me being disingenuous despite giving examples of why I say and think this.
>>150202062There's nothing to argue, faggot. You might as well accuse me of witchcraft and then blame the fact that people don't like you on magic.
>>150191222I have seen it constantly. It boils down to "You can't say anything anymore," and then they refuse to elaborate when you ask them what they can't say anymore. If you want to complain about niggers, just complain about niggers. Complaining about not being able to complain about niggers is retarded. Trust me, niggers aren't waiting for an invite to complain about everyone else.
>>150202121There is, I called out multiple things you said and you had no counter. You just said I was being disingenuous but can’t even say how. You’re just using it as a cope because you know you can do nothing else since this entire thing hinged on people not calling out your bullshit. So now you’re floundering. >You might as well accuse me of witchcraft and then blame the fact that people don't like you on magicSo you consider me pointing out your blatant position that lines up with those of a very specific ideology and agenda which I have named to be akin to a witch hunt? Let me guess next you’re going to say cultural marxism isn’t real and that I’m making it all up?
>>150202121Are you a witch? Everyone on /co/ is a fat middle aged white guy until proven otherwise.
>>150202249Cultural marxism can exist and you're still a faggot. I'm saying that you aren't meaningfully pointing it out or talking about it.>Reminder that wokeness is just cultural marxism and marxist love nothing more than to lie about the most basic shit.This means that you are here to accuse and won't engage in discussions, just call people liars when they don't agree with you.
>>150202305>that you aren't meaningfully pointing it out or talking about itI am, which is why you cannot engaged with the points I brought up and instead have to accuse me of being disingenuous. > This means that you are here to accuse and won't engage in discussionsI did this in the very post you’re quoting and you’re completely ignoring those parts just to harp on this because you’re unable to argue what I said. I mean you completely ignored me calling out how wokeshit was bad, not to mention how you tried to do the whole “it’s not happening, but even if it is it’s not a bad thing” cope. Or how I pointed out how a toddler doesn’t understand most nuanced ideas or concepts yet you decided a toddler not taking an issue is somehow a point for what you were saying. So far you are just proving my point. You can’t argue anything so you have to harp on one thing, not even really engaging it and just using it as a means to say I’m being disingenuous. Which in of itself is extremely dishonest as it’s not actually engaging anything it’s just trying to create a scapegoat while making it seem like you’re arguing the point since it is part of what was said.
>>150202400>I am,You're not. You wouldn't do that "reminder" shit if you were.>which is why you cannot engaged with the points I brought upI can, I just won't waste my time with someone who already let me know they think woke is cultural marxism and marxists are liars.>Reminder that wokeness is just cultural marxism and marxist love nothing more than to lie about the most basic shit.There is nothing to argue, you already made it clear.
>>150202555So I was right and you can’t argue so you’re just coping and saying it’s a waste of time while replying and wasting time. Not to mention repeating the same cope that you can’t defend. I mean so far you’ve just proved me right, you can’t help but be dishonest. You know you’re wrong, you know you’re a liar, so all you can do is accuse me of being disingenuous. Yet the difference is I can actually argue how that isn’t the case where the best you can muster is to just repeat yourself over and over, like a bot.
>>150177719>unironically doing the one soijak face>using a blanket statement like "Gunnfans" because you're too butthurt to accept that people that liked things you don't aren't fanboys This is the gayest thumbnail ever, it reeks of insecurity
>>150202981>You know you’re wrong, you know you’re a liar, so all you can do is accuse me of being disingenuous.I'm telling you what I'm doing and why but you're refusing to believe it and instead choose to assume this is how people act when you're correct. You're doing the "this cultural marxism and marxists lie" with any interaction which means baiting you into these long posts is the right move.Calling you disingenuous or dishonest may have been giving you too much credit. It's possible that the problem here is that you're genuinely stupid and it isn't more complicated than that. It's at least a factor.
>>150200582Dumbass the point of the scene was that Metamorpho wanted to help because he felt helpless and guilty over letting Malik die and Superman encouraged him despite what happened. Superman has literally spent the whole movie indirectly influencing everyone to do the right thing even when he was being beaten down literally and figuratively by Lex and his goons. He never gave up even when he was still clearly upset over Krypto being kidnapped and his Kryptonian parents not being who he thought they were and almost everyone turning on him.If Superman didn't commit to his values and didn't actively struggle like he did to still act on them, Lois wouldn't have gone to find him, Mr. Terrific and eventually Guy and Hawkgirl wouldn't have gone to Jarhanpor, the people of Jarhanpor wouldn't still have fought despite knowing they'd lose. Superman's idealism saved everyone even when he's not there.I swear I've seen this same criticism over and over with no real backing in it. It's like you people are pretending to be retarded and aren't even paying attention, you just immediately cope and seethe because it's a capeshit movie and redditors liked it
>>150182998Why? They understood the message and they know thats all there isYou're just being a fag and crying about it
>>150198022>generic filenamed last jedi imageMade the bait unbelievable, 3/10
>>150203161>I'm telling you what I'm doingWhat you’re saying contradicts what you have done and what you’re doing. Which is part of why I’m saying it’s a lie. And you have no way of reconciling those things or arguing how it’s not the case so you have to keep doubling down on your cope. >instead choose to assume this is how people act when you're correctAnd it’s not because? >gets btfo >has to say it’s bait to copeI see, you know you have lost now. >Calling you disingenuous or dishonest may have been giving you too much credit. It's possible that the problem here is that you're genuinely stupidAs can be seen the marxist is now going into the usual petulant behavior due to being caught in his lie and trapping himself in a position which he cannot escape. So now he must say that I’m dumb despite not being able to argue anything and just making excuses to avoid engaging.
>>150203395>>instead choose to assume this is how people act when you're correct>And it’s not because?Because people have plenty of reasons to just call you a faggot. These replies have been worth it.
>>150203467>Because people have plenty of reasons to just call you a faggotLike what? Who would care that I’m saying you’re a liar aside from you? Who would get this upset about what I’m saying and not be able to provide and argument against any of it aside from someone that lied about what they said and has no way of defending it. You can say that you don’t care or don’t want to waste time, but that doesn’t make sense since you keep replying and getting more and more upset with every post. >These replies have been worth itI agree, they’ve shown you are in fact a liar and can’t argue anything. I mean you made that huge point about wokeshit not being bad and can’t so much as handle the most basic criticism.
>>150193837You're taking what Superman said way too literally. As are most of the retards in this thread.
>>150203520>Like what?Some may think you're a faggot, other's may think you're a retard. Both good reasons. There's trolling, there's thinking you do this unfalsifiable bullshit like calling someone a liar when they're just pointing out your shitty logic.It's not a waste of time, I'm interested in what you'll say next. I was hopeful you'd revise your "woke = cultural marxism, marxist = liars" statement, but you tripple downed and that's fun to see too.>I agree, they’ve shown you are in fact a liar and can’t argue anything.There's that good shit. There's a chance you're actually brain damaged and think someone not wanting to be serious with you is someone lying to you or being unable to argue. Either way, it's interesting to see how far you go.
If this was /mu/ everyone would have agreed punk is shit and was always a sell out genre, then the thread dies in 20 replies, shame so many "nerds" are horror punk loving Misfits loving, 50s rock a billy garage punk Funko slop enjoyers that overlap with punk so now this shit is getting to 300 replies over shit no one fucking cares about.
>>150203670>Some may think you're a faggot, other's may think you're a retard. Both good reasonsNotice how he can’t say why, he’s just hurling insults like a child because he’s been proven wrong and now can only stomp his feet and throw a tantrum.>There's trollingFar too much effort, not to mention you’re too emotional to be a troll.>there's thinking you do this unfalsifiable bullshit like calling someone a liar when they're just pointing out your shitty logicTerrible cope, especially since you got especially pissy about being called a liar and never even hinted at this before.>It's not a waste of time, I'm interested in what you'll say nextOnce again he is contradicting himself. >revise your "woke = cultural marxism, marxist = liars" statementWhy? So far you have yet to show how it’s not true. What do you need me to change it because you don’t like it? That’s not how things work.>There's that good shit. There's a chance you're actually brain damaged and think someone not wanting to be serious with you is someone lying to you or being unable to argueYou are being serious. You have to pretend you don’t care as a coping mechanism because you were proven wrong. But since you’re a narcissist you can’t acknowledge you’re wrong so have to tell yourself none of this matters and that you’re not being serious even though you wrote a whole paragraph trying to defend woke shit and immediately buckled at the first sign of pushback.
>>150203736>Notice how he can’t say whyI said it's fun and I find it interesting. Are you unable to understand that or are you just being dishonest?
>>150203838>I said it's fun and I find it interestingWhich is a lie since you’ve been throwing a tantrum and hurling insults for over an hour while also pretending that you didn’t care. It’s clear that you’re just rotating copes out of desperation.
>>150204027>Which is a lieAnd that's what I said you'd do with my first post.>and then dismiss all information that goes against your assumptions as lies.
If Superman was actually Punk Rock he'd do what was asked of him by his birth parents
>>150204118>And that's what I said you'd do with my first postExcept I’m not just dismissing it, I explained why I think it’s a lie and you are in no way denying or arguing that.
Punk was always gay and never counter culture.
>>150203724Don't know what's funnier: Trying to pass Superman, THE premier american golem, as """punk""", or the media trying to pass a hasbeen tribe of junkies as hip and cool as if was still the 80's. Is as if cartoon shit still portrayed the school bully dressed like a fucking greaser while the nerds all have taped glasses, bow ties and a pocket protector full of pencils.
>>150204370Agreed
>>150181622That's how it's always been, it's just a bit more watered down now. Hell, the original punks had swastika tattoos. Punk was never about morality or activism. It was about being offensive and shocking for the sake of being offensive and shocking
>>150201053>marxist love nothing more than to lie about the most basic shit.If there is a single thing right wingers do better than any group on earth, it’s project their flaws onto others
>>150182325You think saving lives is vapid?
>>150195356Yeah it does. Don't write like a faggot.
>>150195618But what is cool and based is highly dependent on the fashion of the times. Be kind because it's fashionable is hardly an inspiring message
Punk rock was a scam by Vivienne Westwood to sell clothes.
>>150205529>no uIt’s just the same low iq responses and tactics with you fags.
>all this because DC can't make a good superman moviePlease just let old IPs die.
>>150177867Conservatives are evil. Being rude to evil people isnt evil lol.
>>150206661Right but the world is always indifferent so it's always cool to care. It's still dumb because the logic is that when the world cares it's cool to be indifferent, which is how a lot of people see it already.
>>150207337It's true though. The right is made of low info and low IQ serfs by nature of what it means to be rightwing. Historically they favor keeping people uneducated so they don't question those higher up the hierarchy and they stay out of the systems they have less control over because it's better if they don't have a say. They instead get noble lies which supports that power structure. Outside liberal education and information disrupt that structure and brings them concepts of representative democracy.
>>150207634More that they scream conspiracy theories and have a shitfit
Since when is Superman punk-rock?
Super-Punk
>>150207634So you’re just doubling down on saying “no u” while not actually being able to argue anything I’ve said? Are you the same retard that spent hours crying about getting called out for lying? Because I wouldn’t be surprised give how desperate you fags get whenever your bullshit is outed.
