> BOLD NEW ERA OF BATMAN STARTS HERE! A new day dawns for the Dark Knight Detective as Eisner Award-winning writer Matt Fraction (Hawkeye, Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen) joins forces with superstar artist Jorge Jiménez (Batman, Summer of Superman Special) for an unforgettable new era of Batman! The best superhero in comics gets a brand-new first issue to kick off this new era that will test Batman and Bruce Wayne like never before!Ok, let's dive into this.
What I need to know from the previous runs to catch up to this?
>>150182979>im getting pretty tired of thisMe too, Bruce. Me fucking too.
>>150182952go away casual
>>150182919fucking flat art from traced models. so fucking ugly.
>>150183050youre mum is fucking ugly
>>150182919>FractionPozzed.
>>150183091There it is...
It feels like he wrote this while getting pegged by his old lady.
>>150183091HAHAHAHAHAHA This book went from 4/10 to 8/10 because of this page.
I'm so fucking sick of this empathy push in everything.
>>150182919Wait what. Wasn't the bat-family prepared to beat up Bruce because of hush
>>150183267Based sociopath bro
>>150182979Same
That's it for the storytime.Here's a little interview with Fraction from the end of the book, and sorry for the little Red Hood ad earlier.
>>150183225What the heck is this?
>>150183278this is Post Hush
>>150183323Awful- no wonder absolute is killing the mainline
>>150183091Evil Trans Clowns?
>>150183044Fuck you
Wholesome Batman who punches packs of wandering misogynists and talks the mentally ill down without fighting them is an improvement over the last 10 years of Batman desu>>150182952Nothing really, everything you need to know is in the issue itself.
>>150183225I was gonna make a comment that taking off his cowl was a bad idea but then I remembered that pretty much every one of Batman’s villains knows his identity.
>>150183495Hi Matt.
>>150183267It is okay in small does but it does feel like the writers are over compensating.
>>150182929Please, delete this.
What a Gay book.
I haven’t read the main Batman book in a while, but I think the police turning on Batman is a pretty tired plot line, especially this late into his career. I do generally like this characterization of Batman though, though him taking off his mask is a head scratcher.
>>150183091Why are they wearing bras?
>>150183225>Killer Croc becomes retarded
>>150182919>>150183225This is why Absolute Batman is the best Bat book. It cares more about fun over-the-top action than being some gay Steven Universe shit.
>>150183091Is this commentary on transsexuals harassing lesbains into dating them?
>>150183678Contrast
Christ am I ever glad I gave up super heroes in high school.
>>150183309>>150182929Shouldn't Gay Robin and Flop Hood be at most 2 years apart?
Shame it didn't work out between Waylon and Janet from HR
>>150183678It is because DC Comics hates Batman.DC is controlled by Woke Twitter Leftists who hate Batman for being a “Rich White Male” and have to humiliate him constantly him (taking away his company and money, killing off Alfred, having him beat up by Catwoman and the Bat Family constantly, etc). DC Comics is basically ashamed of owning Batman kinda like how Paramount was ashamed of the Jason Voorhees movies.Absolute Batman is the exception because he is poor and Antifa thus allowed to be cool.
>>150182919Felt really short. Like, not a lot happened.
>>150183091>Snip snipWhy are blacks so afraid of crabs?
>>150183091what
>>150183091The Cult of Freaky Fred!!!
Why does Batman book threads create so much low IQ seethe?
>>150182919>this was what they were hypingThis is the very definition of a milquetoast Batman issue. This wasn't a brand new #1, this was filler number 37 level. I'm not even going to comment on >Batman learns heckin empathybecause Batman being less>VENGEANCEand more>let's just talkhas been a thing for years and years. Every single character's sissified now. But beyond that, there's literally nothing here to get anyone excited. It's just an average Batman filler issue. The big ending page is goddamn Tim Faggot. What am I, as a supposedly new reader, going to be hooked by? >oh no, Batman's on the run from da law!>oh boy, we have some cookie cutter tech being sold, this is just like Robocop, Judge Dredd and all muh heckin cyberpunk!There's no villain setup. There's nothing new in any fashion. Fraction was going on and on about how this was a new and alive Gotham with an identity, a pop punk and gothic mix. Where is it? It's just the art having some bright lights on the cars. There's nothing else here.>evil misogynistic white incels harass wholesome interracial lesbian couple while dressed in dragWhat even is this? Not to mention that the majority of the book was already released as preview pages over time. Why does this even cost more than 4$, it's not got anything extra. Can anyone say anything about this book that excites them? There's no direction. The solicits aren't teasing anything either. It's just one off Batman adventures but now gay and [current day]. Why would I spend my hard earned money on this? What is even the point? >Batman hunts down an old villain we've seen 49585769668747 times>Batman punches thugs>the law hunts the Batman...Okay? What is the direction? What is the idea? What differentiates this from a myriad other Batman issues? Why do they keep making utterly empty comics like this?
>>150182919Vol. 3 isn't even over, why?
>>150183323Better than Amazing Spider-Man.
>>150183360Post Hush 2? Wasn't that story supposed to kill a few Robins?
>>150183091>incels but they are transvestiteis this redpilled or bluepilled?
>>150183225Awww. What a poor cannibal.
Batman: WE MUST BE BETTER MEN
>>150183169250 millivolts is not a lot
>>150183901That will never happen.
>>150183104>I learned secret driving techniques from Tibetan monks that let me run people over non-lethally
>>150183901Apparently part one just ends with Jason Todd fucking off to New Orleans, that was Loeb's big solution, restoring the New 52 status quo of Red Hood operating outside of Gotham.
>>150183309There's a page missing after this in the digital edition. The best scan I can find is off Bleeding Cool
>>150184527h-hot. UwU
>>150182919What happened to H2SH?
>>150182947Why did Gordon rejoin the force again?
>>150182947How old is Jim Gordon supposed to be? Also how did he lose his job this time?And wasn't he in the hospital last issue?
Oh so Alfred isnt an AI, Bruce is just fucking crazy
>>150184898>Bruce is just fucking crazyBruce needs a good beating from bat family
>>150184805Hush went to an indefinite hiatus because that stupid fat fuck Jim Lee lost motivation again. How he still has a job I have no idea.
>>150183267Yeah that's great and all but have you tried being earnest instead of an edgy little bitch?
>>150184527blue is literally:>we had doflamingo at home from that morrison run.
>>150183225I was skimming.Why is croc retarded now?
>>150185057He's the President of the company.
>>150185114Re-read this page>>150182995
>>150185127So fire him. Fire his stupid worthless lazy ass.
>>150182929He will never look good without the helmet
>>150182929Please get canceled in 4 issues.
>>150185146So he's mutating and that turned him into a retard.
>>150184805>>150185057>>150185150Actually H2SH bombed so hard thanks to Loeb that they backpedaled and stopped claiming it was mainline Batman/current continuity. It quietly migrated over to its own self contained book, hence why Fraction is now being sold
>>150182995Killer Croc's got his own Harley, nice.>>150183059The one bit of awful continuity no one will ignore. Get rid of Vandal Savage, he brings nothing to the table.>>150183091Yikes. >>150183309What the hell type of #1 is this? Nothing fucking happened, no mystery was set up.
>>150184527>Joker is still alive after H2SH?
>>150185313Well I don't know if you heard this but apparently there's three Jokers
>>150182919First issue has more that 46 variant coversNICEBatman #1 Cover B Jim Lee Connecting VariantBatman #1 Cover C Marc Silvestri VariantBatman #1 Cover D J. Scott Campbell VariantBatman #1 Cover E Frank Quitely VariantBatman #1 Cover F Gabriele Dell'Otto Connecting VariantBatman #1 Cover G Julian Totino Tedesco VariantBatman #1 Cover H Bat Symbol Virgin VariantBatman #1 Cover I Jorge Jiménez Foil Virgin VariantBatman #1 Cover J Stanley 'Artgerm' Lau DC Showcase Wraparound Foil Batman #1 Cover N Blind As a Bat Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover O Jorge Jiménez Design Wraparound VariantBatman #1 Cover L 1:25 Andy Kubert VariantBatman #1 Cover M 1:50 David Aja VariantBatman #1 Comic Kingdom Creative Dave Wilkins Batman #1 Comic Traders / 616 Comics / Comics EliteBatman #1 ECGCE Riley Rossmo Virgin Batman #1 East Coast Comics John Giang Foil Batman #1 Felix Leon Webstore Foil Batman #1 Gotham Central Comics Kael Ngu Batman #1 Hollywood Theatre Rose City Steve Lieber Batman #1 Midtown Comics Ben Oliver Batman #1 Rolling Wave Comics Dan Panosian Batman #1 The Comic Corner / KRS Comics Todd Nauck Batman #1 Unknown Comics Chris Stevens VariantBatman #1 FanExpo 2025 Dan Mora VariantBatman #1 Rose City Comic Con 2025 Liam Sharp VariantBatman #1 Cover N 1:500 Jim Lee Blind Bag Alternate Foil VariantCover NBatman #1 Cover N 1:1000 Jorge Jiménez Blind Bag Alternate Foil Batman #1 Cover N Andy Kubert Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N David Aja Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Frank Quitely Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Gabriele Dell'Otto Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N J. Scott Campbell Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Jim Lee Blind Bag Connecting Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Jorge Jiménez Blind Bag Foil Batman #1 Cover N Julian Totino Tedesco Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Marc Silvestri Blind Bag Foil VariantBatman #1 Cover N Stanley 'Artgerm' Lau Blind Bag Foil Variant
>>150185355Apparently the retailers hate DC's blind bag variants.
>>150185242I hope someone digs up the unsolved Vandal=Cain storylines from Final Crisis and Batwoman.
>>150185355We need Trump to make an executive order that says any comic can only have 2 covers: normal and special.
>>150185416We need Congress to pass a law, because executive orders don't mean shit.
>>150184837He got re-aged after Everything is Canon Again and he retired a fwe years ago to personally hunt the Joker before deciding he couldn't kill him. Then he decided to rejoin the force. This takes place after a timeskip.>>150185351The three Jokers exist within Joker himself.
>>150183023>unregulated dojosSHURIKEN CONTROL NOW
>>150185416Show some respect variants and the whales keep the lights on at your local comic store.
>>150183023>>150185839Ngl, "Gotham city has a ninja problem" makes me smile
>>150185744Technically there are MULTIPLE three Jokers>>Two imposters, one killed by Harley early on in Rebirth and the other killed in the second Joker ongoing a couple of years back that Joker decapitated >>Joker creating two imposters one of which was based on Golden Age Joker and the other Englehart/Rogers Dark Detective Joker as part of a quest to create an army of JokersFinally, two alternate personalities inside Joker's head Joker was trained to create to help him think outside the box by a crazy black guy who also taught Bruce the same thing
So what was so special about this book. My LCS was hyping the fuck out of it. Then Monday night I saw an actual trailer pop up on YouTube and a quick commercial yesterday. The one dude even offered me a deal where if I bought it and didn’t like it he’d take it back. I still didn’t buy it Now looking at it here I’m lost a bit, stopped reading when King took over. Just didn’t seem that exciting to me for all the hype this had.
>>150183186>>150183209>>150183225>>150183241>>150183272I don't hate this but I really really liked New 52 Croc.https://batcave.biz/reader/8870/57619
>>150186503It’s a Batman #1. That alone is enough to get the DC marketing machine into gear.
>>150185398lol noshit is always a money maker and will sell out
I don't like retarded Croc, change him back.
>>150186897It'll sell but they rather get the guaranteed variants and sell them at a mark up
>>150186331That second one was a Johns-canon Black Label book, but yeah that first one was likely made to paper over the "multiple Jokers appearing at the same time" Johns did years before they decided Three Jokers would be non-canon.
>>150186331My god 9 Jokers
>>150183287I liked it.
>>150183091This is why comic books are the lowest of the low. All the pozz turned up to 11 and no respite from it in any way. REST IN PISS
>>150182919Welp fuck me I liked it. Still think it will end up as shit
>>150185242>no mystery set upIt is intentional. They are going for an ever-green first issue, something that shows the world and current continuity but also functions as a stand-alone story. It ended on a cliffhanger, meaning the whole shebang will kick in gear next month. Whether that is enough of a hook for people to buy the second issue I dont know.
>>150183272>Giving Bruce a new dinosaur since he lost hisNigga that's kawaii
>>150183267Its more like the heroes always have this infinite well of understanding for their psycho villains but thinks its wrong for the npc to point a gun at the cannibalistic lizard man >>150183153
>>150183827The Hush 2 arc was supposed to be done by now, but it got delayed.But also no one gives a shit about Hush 2
Didn't hate it, didn't love it. Not sure I'm going to like the flavor of Batman Fraction is seemingly going to go for. I like dark, edgy, tortured, violent Batman but I reckon that's so overdone at this point that I'm open to something new for a bit.
>>150183225I think it's sweet idc. I love the Kelly Jones Croc and Swampy issues and have a soft spot for him.
Best batsuit in a long while
>>150185057It's long past time for DC to move on from the Jim Lee era
Jimenez used to be one of my favorite modern artists but ever since he started doing his own inks and toned down women his art quality really dropped and not even Morey can carry him now, everything looks too fucking bright it doesnt fit a batman comic that well
>>150182947Gordon looking pretty geriatric to be a street cop.
>>150183091If they are incels then why are they crossdressing?
>>150184993>Bruce needs a good beating from bat familyAgain?
>>150183153Why don't they just walk away?
>>150183287>Pennyworth ManorDoes Bruce not have his damn house back yet? The worst parts of the last few runs have been the stickiest.
This is hecking wholesome Batman which is why his costume is bright blue, less punching and more feeling and talking I guess.
>>150186503It is because Zdarksy’s run was so bad that people were hoping Fraction could save Batman. Kinda like how people were hoping Tynion could save Batman after King.
>>150188259>tynionwhy? tynion obviously hates batman
>>150182919When did Fraction do anything good?When did he do anything in comics?Last time I remember him being relevant was when he was doing dogshit Fear Itself
>>150185744So Jim being Batman is still canon or what and how many years ago in-universe?
>>150188558forever mad
>>150188597SHIT EVENTPAGES LIKE THESE DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING
>>150188558I’ve heard people say Sex Criminals was good, but never could get past the 1st issue. Art was dogshit too lmao
>>150185242>What the hell type of #1 is this?All that was established was Killer Croc getting a new character design and that Bruce built an Alfred AI which he talks to like a lunatic.
I don't mind a brighter, more inspirational Batman but this wasn't very good or much of anything at all.
>>150183225So does this mean the croc that was Roy's sponsor is gone now? That was the kind of little world interconnectivity that I always liked.
>>150183023We wouldn’t have a ninja problem if we had more dojos
>>150182995The blue is so beautiful. But the cape needs the rounded scallops, these pyramid things don’t work. Also Batman would not say that shit about people.>>150183042Sick. I really hope this doesn’t suck.
>>150183059So why is immortal supervillain vandal savage serving in municipal administration exactlyI know this was part of Zur or Failsafe or Captoe’s plan or whatever by why did he go along with it
>>150188558While I dont have high hopes for his Batman, Fraction's Hawkeye run was good. Carried a bit by Aja and Francavilla but still solid on its own. Best thing he can do with this title is try to undo as much of the New Fifty-shit damage as possible and then hand it over to someone who knows what they are doing like the 90s crew did (Grant, Moench, Dixon)
>>150183625They were jogging. This is sports wear. It's a sports bra.
>>150183267I’d rather read some fluff story about Batman realizing he should be nicer to someone than the tryhard wank of the past few runs any day of the week
>>150188742That Alfred isn't an AI
Bamham newfag hereIs this a good jumping in point for a new reader compared to the New 52 or DC Rebirth Batman? I still have my essentials homework (Absolute Batman included) to read through but what about keeping up with an ongoing?
>>150187777Impressive quads
>>150189549Don't bother with Batman until Hush 2 ends or is officially canceled.This book is supposed to be a 6 issue filler arc to give Jim Lee time to finish Hush 2, which has promised to kill off all the Robins even tho they're all featured in a book, it was also doing some crack things with the status quo of Batgirl Barbara, The Joker and Bane that never got resolved.
>>150189658Nooooone of that shit is ever happening. If they were going to kill off the entire batfamily they would be better off relaunching DC Comics as a whole to a Golden Age type of continuity, basically a universe-wide Year One. It would actually be awesome, a release from the tortured mess the past 20 years have been for Batman. But yeah, as I said... never happening ever. Hush 2 is an unpopular storyline, which is why they could not bother waiting for it to finish. They just went ahead with their planned new #1 issue in a attempt to pre-emptively follow whatever Gunn does in his future capeshit movies
>>150183750You're so fucking stupid.
>>150189549That's the point of a new #1. It'll never truly start from the beginning again.
>>150186021My only complaint is that the art for these variants should bring something to the table, something about the story, something that makes sense and actually feels like an alternate cover for that specific issue instead of a pin-up.
>>150188227Yeah, less punching, more driving people over with his batmobile. No fucking way those scissor weirdos survived that.
>>150182947Holy shit bro this is bold.
>>150188259Oh wow Zdarksy just doesnt feel like he’d be a good fit for Batman so that makes sense. What happened to Wayne Manor and the Batcave?How did Gordon get demoted and Savage is the new commissioner?I actually like the look of the new suit, the blue & gray is great. It looks like it’s loaded with tech. What’s with the front design of the belt?An electric Batmobile…….ha ha ha!
>>150183209>>150183225Meanwhile, he fucked an adult woman in the Poison Ivy solo.
>>150188259>Tynion could save Batman after KingOnly retards thought that.
>>150182952you need to have intimate knowledge of both king and zdarsky's runs so id just skip this
>>150184329kek
>>150189836Half of what he said is absolutely correct though. Just like the spider-man autist
>>150189822You don’t know how comics are made if you think they did anything that quickly. As retarded as it is the hiatus was always planned. Let alone the fact that the hu2h sales figures were good.
>>150188558I liked Casanova
>>150182952Band teamed up with an evil alternate universe version of Batman's dad and killed Alfred while using Psycho Pirate to control the cityJoker briefly stole control over Bruce's company and fortune, created two doubles of himself and tried to turn Joe Chill into one as well, confirmed he knows the entire bat family's secret identity, blew up Arkham Asylum, killed an imposter, confirmed to have both multiple personalities and his wife still alive/his son still alive, and replaced Harley with a new sidekick Punchline Batman created a super bot called Failsafe that went rogue and messed up the powers of a lot of heroesGordon quit as a cop, fucked his replacement's wife then got brainwashed by Riddler into killing his lover's husband Court of Owls teamed up elwoth Russia to rebrand KGBeast as a right wing MAGA hero to stir up agitation and weaken liberalism.
>>150191968Thank you grok
>>150183287Cute.
>>150191968>created two doubles of himself and tried to turn Joe Chill into one as well,> his wife still alive/his son still alive,Johns's Black Label books aren't canon, so skip this part
>>150191968I thought gordons replacement was vandel savage and it was the mayors wife that gordon banged and killed the husband
Why did Batman 2 and 3 only last 5-10 years? Will this last 2 years and reboot again?
BAD BATMAN IS BAD.My LCS is already waiting for the second prints because they didn’t order enough.
>>150183225>>150183153>>150183169Bought issue one today to see what fraction would do and cause I wish Jimenez would stop being wasted.Won’t be buying issue 2 because of shit like this.
>>150189549This is a good starting point compared to New 52 and Rebirth, yeah. These stories are going to be more self contained apparently, the current status quo of Gotham is explained very easily within this issue. All you need to know is Alfred has been dead for a while. Don't stop reading your homework. You can always read New 52 and Rebirth down the line. Rebirth is very continuity heavy so be prepared.
>>150185416>>150189905Yeah, what about like cheesecake covers of girls who don't even appear in the story?
boring, and jimenez sucks.
>>150183035What are you tired of?
>>150183091I think the MO is that they wear the clothes of women they victimize as trophies.
>>150196254Now that makes sense.
>>150188558I liked his Iron Man quite a bit. It was honestly the last good Iron Man run. And it's been nearly 20 years since then. 17 since it started, 13 since it ended. It wasn't as great as the Knaufs' run, but it was /good/ and it kept the character moving forward. This Batman #1 here however is a total nothingburger. There's nothing set up. There's no energy to it even. He's just killing time writing filler issues that will be forgotten the minute it ends.
>>150183091Ah yes, the biggest threat to women going through parks; the URBAN YOUTH of... WHITE MIDDLE CLASS INCELS! Bravo Fraction!
>>150183309I always did prefer Tim in the Red, Black, and Yellow. Didn't Damian also received a costume change?
>>150183750>Batman shows empathy towards someone >THIS IS HUMILIATING BATMAN!! WHY ISN’T HE BEATING THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF THIS GUY WHOIS MENTALLY AT THE LEVEL OF A SMALL CHILD AND ISN’T DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT CALMLY EATING!!!
>>150196721yeah shit's gay and boring.
>>150183729Yes. It's RH who is draw older than he should be. Not the other way around.
>>150182963So why is he shown here jumping from some random building when he actually fell out of Arkham Tower?
>>150183023I like this look for Gotham
>>150196998If the rest of the Batman Family kept aging alongside Damian Tim would be 21 and Jason would be 23. They're still drawing Tim like he's 16.
>>150197225Like O'Neil said, Batman's Gotham City is Manhattan below 14th Street at eleven minutes past midnight on the coldest night in November.You can have history and diversity of architecture, but the tacky big-screen touristy shit should go to Metropolis.
>>150189836>>150196721It's true in general that since the political awakening of the mid-10s that the liberal staff of DC were embarrassed by the very concept of Batman and have been pivoting him to someone they wouldn't be so ashamed of. Tynion took away his billions and wrote him as the least useful person in Joker War, Zdarsky had Catwoman and the rest of the Batfam reject his stopping all crime philosophy for "ethical theft," Thomas Wayne became an asshole who had a rocky marriage and an affair because "there are no ethical billionaires," Jim Gordon is now a murderer. This was further political signaling, but this issue was far more benign than others DC have published. I'm okay with a less Millerish kinder, gentler Batman, I prefer bronze age Batman anyway.
>>150197350Being rich IS evil though. You can't be a good person while having way more resources than your neighbor. It's by definition evil to hoard more than your rightful share (which is the exact same as everybody else's share). Now before you angrily disagree, think for a second: would you kill Jeff Bezos if you could? I bet you would. Think for a second why.This isn't even a Batman problem, it's that superheroes in general are behind the times. The medieval morality concept where people who live in luxury deserve it by God's divine will is being abandoned everywhere in the world. No one thinks wealthy people deserve to be wealthy anymore. Wealthy people are just making life worse for everybody else, by simply existing, they don't even need to do anything. And superheroes need to move towards that truth. In 2030 Superman will be forcibly redistributing wealth and Batman will beat the shit out of bankers, not bank robbers.
>>150197447Childish nonsense imo and not even new ideas
>>150183652To be fair croc alternates between retard and perfectly normal guy every 5 years or so
>>150197447>yes Ngubu, take my TV and my sister, the redistribution of wealth is the only ethical mindset!So THIS is the INTELLECTUAL PEAK of... XITTERTRANNIES!
>>150197467Thinking someone deserves to own 1000000000 times more than another person is childish nonsense.
>>150189658It was also doing some crack things with the status quo of Batgirl Barbara, Like what?
>>150197784People were going gaga because she had fancy sci-fi tech in her suit, that's it.
>>150183267No wonder none of you can get a girlfriend
>>150197674who are the fuck are you to be the arbiter of who deserves what?
>>150198273empathy sure but its scientifically proven that men who open up their vulnerabilities to women induce the ick factor in women.
>>150197447How's undergrad going?
>>150195472I think Jimenez at one point was the best artist they’ve had in years. He just seems burned out. DC need to get him off any Gotham books and get him over to the Superman office. He’s a far better artist than mora but he’s worked on nothing but bad Batman comics for 5 years now drawing the same retarded shit. And honestly I never thought he was a good fit for heavy shadows/heavy blacks that Gotham and Batman require. He’s better with Superman because of the optimistic flare to his work. Hell I think he’d be good on flash or GL. But they need to get him off the bat books. He’d have done a good nightwing and Damian but it’s too late and they’d end up pairing him with some faggot like Taylor. I’d say Wonder Woman would work but then he’d be with king. Match him up with a non-cancerous, non-woke writer (the shills can seethe about that word all they want) and he’d draw in sales to most books more than any other artist.
>>150199053Also samefagging to make a major point:Just like most European artists he is TERRIBLE at character/costume design. Mora, Marini, Cappuccio, Chechetto, redondo, etc are all every bit as bad. Stop letting any of them redesign costumes and characters. They might disagree, themselves, but theyre best when drawing simplistic gold & silver age costumes because they stop nerding out about faithfully redrawing their own over-complicated designs and focus instead on the actual storytelling and composition.
>>150195472>>150199053Its a testament to the important of inkers. Jiminez does good layouts and is generally more exciting and dynamic than Mora, but these inks are just not doing him any favors and looks unpolished. The ink and texture tricks don't work with the color
>>150199053totally agree with you anon and your point.
>>150183309They still got Drake wearing the tights? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
>>150199396He works digitally and has always “inked” himself. Literally never worked with an inker. It’s just that he doesn’t work well in heavy blacks. I will say his art was best when it was colored by Sanchez.
>>150198287Wealth inequality on the scale we see it today is a problem that harms society
>>150199644>>150197674>>150197447So why not just admit Batman isn’t for you and shouldn’t be?
>>150199644Okay Count.
>>150182963>a gorilla up high and a bunch of copsClose enough, welcome back Munching Mandrill
>>150197559And it’s always stupid when they go that route! FACT!!!
>>150182919>A Batman #1 Blind Bag Gold Variant Cover Sells For $1300 On eBay>A Batman #1 "Blind As A Bat" Blind Bag 1:1000 Jorge Jimenez gold foil variant, has just sold on eBay for $1300 from a seller in Pasadena, Maryland. Another copy sold from a seller in Rego Park, New York for $1000. There are no other copies that have been listed on eBay. Just those two so far.>You may have more luck with the Batman #1 "Blind As A Bat" Blind Bag 1:500 Jim Lee gold foil variant. There are two copies currently at auction on eBay, one at $305 with eleven hours to go from Fisher, Indiana. And another at $255 from Fishkill, New York with six days to go and both with multiple bids…
>>150200641I see why retailers are pissed about these blind bags, but I wonder if it'll turn casuals into variant hunters in the long term after getting a taste of the variant game.
>>150197447kys commie retard
>>150182929bump
>>150187460It IS wrong. That gun ain't gonna do shit. The NPC can't be blamed for that, but if he actually shot Croc, he'll probably get himself and the civilians killed. On paper, sure, he might be justified. But, again, a security guard's pea shooter is only gonna piss off Croc more.In Gotham, anything less than an assault rifle is probably worthless.
I kknd of understand though. I mean there's a lot of people sho are sick of Bruce just being a total unrepentant asshole who keeps burning all his bridges. Maybe this is too much of an overcorrection, but I think shit like this was gonna happen sooner or later.
>>150202323It isn’t “wrong” because1. There’s no reason for him to know that2. People should be afforded the ability to def3nd themselves3. Security guards in Gotham should absolutely be armedYou’d have to be drop dead retarded to think otherwise and this is the kind of ridiculous logic that faggots like Taylor and fraction keep subjecting people to over and over.
>>150202397That's why Fraction had him run over a gang of sexists with his car, to show he wouldn't be too soft.
>>150184527>>150187750So, did Batman finally get his hand back or what? I thought him losing it in the first place was incredibly stupid.
>>150183153He's just sitting there. Menacingly!
>>150202397The Batfam are MIA, the GCPD are still hostile, and Bruce is talking to ghosts,
>>150202529Hold on to your ass but Bruce's clone who was dying of clone disease donated his hand to Bruce's and gave him his clone fortune so Bruce is rich again but still not as rich as he was.
>>150202474That panel is dumb because it’s retarded for Batman to scold a cop for scaring a child when she’s actually scared of the giant cannibal crocodile man, but Batman never says anything implying he should know the gun wouldn’t work, shouldn’t be able to defend himself, or shouldn’t be armed. I think you are a schizophrenic
>>150202714Fraction is obviously doing an Adam West Batman who's always correct
>>150202714>but Batman never says anything implying he should know the gun wouldn’t workYou seem to be incapable of using the site. Anon said exactly that, which is what I was replying to. >It IS wrong. That gun ain't gonna do shit
>>150202597WHAT DID I JUST READ?!?! (Thank you for the explanation.)Seriously though, if they can do that, then they ought to have been able to BS Alfred back to life by now too!
>>150202926B-b-but anon he’s an AI now. That isnt good enough!?
>>150202897But your first point>There’s no reason for him to know thatConcedes that it was wrong, even if the guards’ ignorance of it wasn’t his fault
>>150194469Obviously. Superman's on fucking 6. Welcome to the future.
>>150183678This is why the only Batman I read is in DC Finest collections
>>150203004The overall tone of the post, to say nothing of the initial statement, should inform you that they think the guard should know better than to have pulled the gun. Idk why you’re being such a pedantic faggot about an anons reply to another anon.
>>150193448It's canon, especially since zdarsky's three joker idea is sychdog shit that John's story needs to stay canon to stop Chips shit
>>150203201I don't like either of them, but Zdarsky's version happened in the main book so that's the one that's being followed. Joker's origin in The Killing Joke is confirmed in Three Jokers, Joker: Year One follows Zero Year though Joker in it acted less like the arrogant criminal mastermind Snyder wrote and more of a insecure coward as an attempt to synthesize the two takes since "everything's canon."
>>150197279That's not happening. They like to pretend Bruce in his early 30s while Dick and Babs are around 25. Their age and timeline have been arbitrary since the 90s. I wouldn't be surprised if right now DC operated under this logic ;> Damian 14, Tim 17, Jason 23, Dick 25, Babs 26, Bruce under 35.Meaning only the evil robins aged-up. Everyone else is drinking lazarus piss.
>evil robins
>>150183903>incels but they are transvestiteThe first thing causes the second.
>>150203832Again?
>>150203804Since they're unwilling to retire him, a lot of the issues regarding Bruce can be dealt with by having him take a dip in the Lazarus Pit at one point or another, though, yeah. You can probably take one of two approaches: The first is to just have him fall into a Lazarus Pit during one of his conflicts with Ra's. Another is to have him be critically injured, and Ra's or Tahlia kidnaps him while he's comatose to have him take a dip in the Lazarus Pit. You can have him go from like 45 to mid-20s in one fell swoop. He'd have to come up with some sort of bullshit reasoning for why he looks half his age as Bruce Wayne, but just a single dip in the Lazarus Pit could solve everything.
>>150183225What the fuck is this shit? Why is Batman so fucking soft? This is not the Batman I grew up with. If he wants to caress and care for fucking criminals he could have just joined the Arkham staff. This is incredibly gay and lame. I want to see Batman beating the shit out of his enemies and striking fear into their eyes. I really dislike this new take on Batman.
>>150203804Not really. Both the Zdarsky Batman and Taylor Detective Comics runs have dealt with an aging Batman facing his mortality. I think it's generally accepted that Bruce is in his 40s at this point.Nightwing and the Titans are all pushing 30 and DC has embraced it, though it mostly comes up in Titans and Green Arrow (with Roy and Lian). Wally's timeline gets fudged because the kids all aged artificially.They've always been clear that Damian became Robin at age 10 and is now 14.Red Hood has always been portrayed as older, so Batman isn't beating up on a murderous frat bro. They treat him more like Dick's peer than Tim's. With his build and age and advanced age he probably fraudmaxxed like in the Gotham Knights game.It's Tim, Cass, and Steph that have been in this weird limbo. Looking and acting like retard high schoolers when they're in their 20s.Isn't Cass even older than Jason?
batman an ancillary characters like catwoman/ivy haven't been good since the 90s
>>150205279Even if you dislike Morrison, Dini's batbooks in the late 00s were good.
not gonna read this but im tired of comics relaunching instead of just telling a coherent fucking story
>>150205615The very worst part is that even with relaunches and jumping in points the individual runs are never coherent even in and of themselves. Im not a “just reboot it” guy cause I think the new 52 is still the biggest shit stain on the company’s history but ffs do they need to tard wrangle these writers and build a strong narrative for a good decade or so and stop with events and relaunches and events and relaunches.
>>150190196>What happened to Wayne Manor and the Batcave?Bruce lost his fortune after joke stole it and Lucius refused to give it back. Then vandal savage bought his house>How did Gordon get demoted and Savage is the new commissionerGordon had retired to hunt down and kill joker so Montoya was commissioner and there was a book about how hard it is to be a cop because you just can't shoot anyone who is mean to you anymore. Then the court of owls bought vandal savage a commissioner position Vandal is doing this because a meteor like that first gave him his powers crashed into him in Gotham along with Catwoman. He survived but if he goes outside Gotham he deteriorates
>>150205615If they didn't relaunch they'd be in big trouble on account of Jim Lee being late on the last two issues of H2SH. This kind of thing shouldn't be happening with the Batman ongoing, but the company is a desperate mess.
>>150205056what batman did you grow up with
>>150183167It's Matt Fraction. Look up his wife and tell me she's not anon
>Matt fractionkek. ive made at least two threads in the past year asking where the hell this nigga went it feels like he was absent from comics for like a decade and now all of a sudden he's writing DC's flagship book.
>>150183137>HHwhen did this stupid fucking bullshit start
>>150206264Morrison's JLA in 1997.
actually you guys just dont get it. DC is cooking with this run forreal fr
>>150182929How fucking old is Helena and Jason supposed to be?Helena, historically, has been a contemporary of Bruce, so she should like 40 years old.Jason should be like 25 or 26.
>>150206872Also, I love, and by love I mean hate, how every comic since Grayson has used the fact that she's Sicilian as an excuse to basically draw her as ethnic as humanly possible
>>150206562>batman being kind is missedAm I missing something? One of the few defining traits of post 2016 Batman is how much he bends over backwards for his rogues gallery. Its pretty much all fags like Taylor and Tynion write
>>150203804Damian only ever made sense under Morrison, period. He should have stayed dead.
>>150183059Vandal Savage has ruled the world multiple times in his life, but for some reason, he thinks being a police commissioner is a good use of his time.
>>150206872She was always a bit younger, in both post-crisis and the New 52 she got involved with Dick.
>>150206562These are so clearly bots or interns
>>150183091So these are going to be the Track Suit Mafia of the Batman?
>>150206872Jason is meant to only be a few years older than Tim. So Jason should be like 21 if Tim is around 18. Dick is in his late 20s. Helena B. should be in her early to mid 30s at least. Since she is older than Dick but younger than Bruce. Bruce should be around 40.
i dont like that white streak in jasons hair it was like that in gotham knights too. where did this begin and why do they do it ? its gay
>>150206947I like kind empathetic batmanBut I fucking hate how every writer thinks they're the first person to ever think of it, resulting in a character who goes through an arc of learning to be kind to criminals once every week now. Why do people encourage lazy writing because it checks boxes?
I've never cared about Jason in any capacity but I do think he was most interesting in the under the red hood animated movie aka when he was being a villain and rubbing it in batmans face that he will always be batmans "mistake". the robin that went bad etc. I prefer it when he's killing people and not some le anti hero that isnt part of the batfam but basically is. so the new book seems like they are answering my prayers
>>150206921she's supposed to be part black now I think
>>150207151But how long can a character do that for? It's been over 20 years now. Jason's issue is that unless he is killing the villains he is criticizing Bruce for keeping alive he looks like an idiot, but Jason will never be allowed to kill any major villains. So he is stuck with no real direction.
>>150207133Batman has always been empathetic though. 'Empathetic Batman' doesn't make any sense as something a writer has to all attention to. The problem is empathy now means accept and make excuses for his psycho villain's flaws and blame the npcs for not 'getting it'
>>150207236>But how long can a character do that forOther villains like the joker have been doing exactly that for 80 years.
>>150207130It’s from the clayface version of Jason in Hush
>>150183091Trannies are already seething over this.https://x.com/DavidMann95/status/1963400446753526179
>>150207378The intern ITT already told you the asspull they’ll employ to explain it: >>150196254
>>150207319I don't think it is the same when Jason is trying to call out Bruce and prove his stance on killing is wrong when he can't kill any of the villains that matter. Villains are just doing villain things. Maybe it is different since Jason fans want an ongoing book and most villains are just part of Batman's book.
>>150207472>Villains are just doing villain thingsI don’t think that matters when they cant actually kill the hero permanently Do you see how retarded this sounds?
>>150207639No? Because the villains aren't the focus of the series. It's the hero, who usually wins and proves their way works. If Jason was a supporting character then it would work better I guess, but as a lead character his method to prove Bruce wrong fails when he isn't able to do what he says Bruce should do.
>>150207719Jason being a villain would have made him a villain anon. What are you missing?
It's sub.
>>150207993This. Not even mid. And honestly Jimenez’s worst art in a decade. It’s like he knew it was just as bad as every other script he’s worked on since getting on Batman. Poor guy is cooked.
>>150186776Yes
>>150206972Maybe you should read more comics, then you would know why he’s the police commissioner
>>150209100nah he shouldn't read that garbage.
>>150183023Vandal Savage is comissioner? I've been away longer than I thought
>>150183225Why does DC Comics hate Killer Croc so much?It is bad enough that jobbing to Bane has made him a joke, now DC is literally making Killer Croc retarded.
>>150189300>Also Batman would not say that shit about people.i mean after the king years of shit eating and the zdarsky year of self betraying its kind of expected we need him to rebuildg some kind of believe in people. and mostly himself.
>>150209831It’s just recycling the tired trope of making him devolve again because they can’t think of anything else to do with a crocodile monster man
>>150205161>it's generally accepted that Bruce is in his 40s at this point.More by fandom than by DC. Nightwing and Babs are not behaving like they are pushing 30, it's not acknowledged and if DC embraced their actual age they should be in their early and mid 30s. Dick is 7 years older than Jason in early post-crisis, but Joker killing a 12yo was *too edgy* for DC and Jason died at 15. Despite that, Cass was still originally older than him but you can bet she isn't anymore. With Steph, they're in the same phantom zone as Tim. >Tldr: It's arbitrary.
this is why i just read manga instead
>>150211252What manga are you reading?
>>150211316juujika no rokunin
>>150183059>>150183023Since when Vandal Savage is commisioner or policeman at all?
>>150211754It happened in the mini run after Tom King was fired and Bruce Wayne lost all his money
>>150211808I thought it happened in Zdarsky?
>>150206921>>150207197There are 2 Huntresses now. The white one is in the JSA in another universe or something.
>>150212156JSA takes place on Earth 2 so that Huntress is Helena Wayne, daughter of Batman and Catwoman. The original character from the 1970s
>>150211328>juujika no rokuninEw
>>150207197Tim Seeley said that I think while others are just like "sicilian" but some will tell you Sicilians are basically the darkest Italians anyway
>>150207109Originally when Tim debuted he wasn't even meant to be that much younger than Jason, who was supposed to have died at 13. DC just kind of retconned Jason to be older to have more distance between them.
>>150189336He can't leave the city of Gotham and the court of owls said it'd be fun
>>150205963The first Batman film. The based one. And the Animated series. Can't wait for the, "ERM-A-AKTUALLY IN THE BATMAN ANIMATED SERIES" i know exactly what you finna say.
>>150205615>not gonna read this but im tired of comics relaunching instead of just telling a coherent fucking storyYeah lets just hold back potential readers/customers just so we can satisfy 1% of the niche audience
>>150212619Tim Seeley got browbeaten into saying she was Afro-Italian on twitter but he never got the chance to depict that origin, likely because there were higher-ups at DC (possibly Didio himself) who were extremely passionate about Italian gangsters. They don't marry people who aren't Italian, Seeley was being ignorant in his proposal. So eventually they had the Bensons drop that she was 100% Sicilian, just the darker skinned variety.
>>150211808Is Bruce still bankrupt? How is he doing batman stuff without infinite money?
>>150214249He's just a regular millionaire now. Though having his own Alfred AI seems like a cheat, they just don't want the negative connotations of being a capital B billionaire.
>>150214389>hough having his own Alfred AI seems like a cheat, they just don't want the negative connotations of being a capital B billionaire.This is so fucking gay.Absolute Batman is 10x better than this garbage.
>>150214418I mean Absolute Batman avoided the negative connotations of being a billionaire by making him some uber-working-class guy who job-maxed.
>>150214418Absolute Batman suffers from the same wealthflation issue where he clearly has the resources of an independently wealthy person despite the premise having him as ‘working class’
>>150214418>bro he's working class bro he's like one of us bro>he's even got a criminal record bro>he's just a blue-collar little guy bro>finally a Batman who's down to Earth bro
What a load of crap. I mean, I never had any high hopes for Fraction, he's one of the most overhyped and talentless writers out there. But this is somehow even worse than I expected. It doesn't even feel like a Batman book, more like an Elseworlds' title. This fake positivity, this "no one is truly bad" take again, geez. Story aside, I'm so fucking sick of this art style being pushed in every DC book. First, it was Mora drawing WF and then Superman, I didn't care, I don't read current-day Superman because I don't like Williamson and I ain't reading any Superman until they de-age and de-homo Jon and make him 100% white, young, straight and cis again. Then they relaunched Justice League and put Mora on it as well, and Waid is writing the book, which is a huge no for me because I'm boycotting everything he writes, he's fucking nuts and wanted President Trump to die. And now they're putting Jimenez on Batman, making my favorite superhero look campier than Schumacher's movies and the '66. Seriously, fuck them. Fire Jim Lee (but let him draw the H2SH Part 2 first), fire Javins, and rehire good artists like Fabok, Reis, Frank, Hitch, Finch, EVS, yes, maybe he's a bit toxic sometimes, but at least he's a great artist and he's a devout Christian. Stop making everything look so flat and manga-esque already. I know Latinos and Meds are cheaper and faster and reddit loves them, but ffs, normal people would actually start buying comics if the story and art were better than they are now, even if singles cost $7 or $8.
>>150183023This spread looks amazing
>>150183137why is alfred a hologram now
>>150216344>I hate Jim Lee!>But he should finish Hush tuah firstFuck off. Fraction seems to be making Batman fun again, and not a miserable pile of torture porn.
>>150211252Most mangas are even worse than this tbqh. I'm not talking about them being mostly monochromatic, which is already a con, but even the stories there just aren't that good, what good mangas are there outside maybe Berserk (overrated imho, but so is Watchmen) and Vinland Saga? 20th Century Boys, maybe?
>>150217971He's not, it's actually just Bruce being a schizo and thinking of Alfred, like Damian was in his run.
>>150218524>them being mostly monochromatic, which is already a con
>>150182919This is literally a Superman storyline, but they replace Supes with Batman for some reason.
>>150218195Theres nothing fun about this you insufferable faggot ass shill
>>150214041Sicilians aren’t even dark skinned. It’s just souther Mediterranean so they have a tan most of the time.
>>150183309well that was shit and gay
>>150219931Nothing about this was remotely Superman.
