What about it makes it so much more inferior to Amphibia, despite having basically the same plot?
>What about it makes it so much more inferior to Amphibia, despite having basically the same plot?
It's telling that everyone only cares about Dana's new show because muh Owl House (never mind that Amphibia mogged it in both ratings and critical acclaim) and not because it's good or anything. Her obsession with Disney is Chris Chan tier. How do Owlfags even cope supporting this lolcow?
>>150207579>never mind that Amphibia mogged it in both ratings and critical acclaim
Not enough of Eda and Luz going on adventures and to much gay shit. Simple as.
>>150207801Not enough Odalia sitting on my face with her massively perfect ass
>>150207531Amphibia overall felt more fleshed out as a world than Owlhouse did. Owlhouse had magic cellphones they called scrolls that had magic Twitter, and had a magic highschool. Amphibia had a town message board that was an actual bird that was a great gag. Amphibia had a school in season 2 that was only accessible if you lived in the capital of the world. Sprig didn’t go to school before that. This made Amphibia feel like an actual different world not just a flavored modern earth sprinkled with magic instead of technology. Granted I know both shows had the human girls with their phones as well. Overall though that was one of the big things I preferred about Amphibia, I think it handled world building much better.
>>150207815Youre out of your mind if you believe that considering how Matt had to make a full on continuation comic whose singular purpose is to fill in all the plotholes he didnt feel obligated to make time to course correct. Marcy's Journal also straight up told us nothing we didnt already knew and Matt wanted $60 for that book
>>150207531Two reasons.>Amphibia had a handful of industry veterans working on it, and plenty of staff that had lots of experience. By contrast, TOH's production team was almost entirely fresh out of college and had this show as their first ever project.>TOH suffered from too many cooks (and it was Dana's first time writing scripts). Each episode of Amphibia had at least two writers on average, while every TOH episode had three, sometimes four.
>>150207815Amphibia was a lot more inspired in the sense that you could tell that Braly genuinely likes fantasy adventure, and it showed in the storytelling. I got the impression that Dana likes softer stuff by comparison.
>>150207579>people who liked and artist's work feel interest toward their next projectWhat? That surely has never happened before
>>150207887Dana supposedly likes horror stuff, and since you can't really do that on Disney it seems she went into this show begrudgingly, hence why she's so butthurt at them
I loved Owlshackbut the series had zero good jokes despite trying CONSTANTLY and even compromising the setting and story for them
>>150207814That to, but my face instead.
>>150207949>whoremongerwhy was Eda so perfect bros?
>>150207949Part of the reason why TOH isn't as funny as the other DTVA shows is because from what behind the scenes stuff we got glimpses at, nearly all of the good gags/bits and fun episode premises were left on the cutting room floor. Typical first draft jitters where you gut all of the impulsive/instinctual stuff in favor of taking the worst material and then overwriting it to death.
>>150207531>weekly circlejerk thread about how much you hate Owl HouseI doubt you're even an Amphibia fan.
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>>150207869I've heard the lockdown kind of messed the production of Owl House.
>>150207531Severe lack of frogs.Everyone loves frogs.
>>150207982I'm curious about these good gags that were cut. I feel like the show was never really to be funny to begin with and a lot of the humor was more so shoehorned in for the network. I think there's a chance the executives genuinely did make the show a lot more neutered than it could've been
>>150207978Eda was great because her actual character in execution is a lot sexier than her intended one. She gives off the energy of a supposed radical who's pretty levelheaded and more like a chill older woman who'll suck you off if you're sweet to her. Ethical slut vibes. Claims to "fight the power" but is more harmless than anything, really.
>>150208034From what I recall from Twitter, it was stuff like "Eda teaches Luz to flirt and manipulate vulnerable targets", or King doing his "I'm the king of demons shtick" only to accidentally build a cult or get his shit wrecked because of it.
TOH had more fetish appeal
>>150207982>Part of the reason why TOH isn't as funny as the other DTVA shows is because from what behind the scenes stuff we got glimpses atActually started to watch some of season two recently. I noticed a tone shift in the cadence of line delivery, and noticed more throw away snarks, and gags. I think they would appeal more to the sarcastic generation that watched cartoons like Daria.
>>150207992>I doubt you're even an Amphibia fan.I doubt OP is either. Probably just trying to stir up a nonexistence war. If you watched one, you probably watched the other.
>>150208069Eda sure is a masochist.
>>150208090and a sadist
>>150207531>trash is better than garbage!Both shows are shitstain on cartoons in general. Remnants left behind by Steven Universe. Lorefag cartoons are truly the worst type of cartoons and I'm glad that the era of them are finished.
>>150207910I don't deny that Dana is a fan of horror, but I've never gotten the impression that she's a horror writer per se. It's a general rule of thumb that the average writer or storyteller naturally leans towards certain genres or tones. Whenever a writer tries to write for a genre that they're instinctually/creatively opposed to, it usually doesn't work out for them.People who are good at writing horror are usually good at making you laugh or cry. It's got the same fundamentals when you think about it. That's how Kojima made PT even though MGS has tons of ridiculous humor and heartbreaking moments in it.
>>150208074S2 is interesting because it shows that Dana's sense of humor is a lot more dry, but the way she takes herself too seriously undermines any ha-has or deep chuckles. TOH's biggest weakness is Dana's levelheadedness and emotionally stoicism. It's something you see in nearly all the characters in the exact same way, which is why the more volatile or unstable examples stand out.
>>150207531This show is like Life is StrangeThe only people I see talk about it are the Alphabet people and the Coomers on 4chan
>>150207531>>150207545
>>150208123You can see in TOH where they started with a horror concept but had to water it down and play for comedy>Grom gets changed from a cruel Carrie-style human sacrifice into a ritual battle>Luz's doppelganger who steals her life is just a cute monster girl played for comedy>the Collector is just a sad little kid who wants friends
>>150208226trying too hard anon
>>150208227Reminds me of how one of the shorts about Tiny Nose being turned into a doll got canned for being "too scary" even though it wasn't really anything worse than what Gravity Falls or Amphibia did. If anything it was incredibly tame
>>150208227>>150208250>dude the Boiling Isles is a hellscape where everyone is EVIL and death is EVERYWHERE>but the characters also live a normal suburban life with no issues beyond drama
>>150207531Gays.
>>150208279What keeps me from fully buying that it was mainly an executive decision was how TOH's worldbuilding was established. Even if things had to be somewhat sanded off, there's just no excuses as to how utterly toothless and fluffy EVERYTHING is. It's too consistent for the answer to be "well, Dana was forced into it".Even Hillenburg was made to shove a school into his cartoon, and he made it work.
>>150207531To me, Amphibia is inferior to TOH.TOH is just watchable... at least to me.Can't stand the slow episodes of Amphibia and it's not true that those episode matter. Most of the follow up of the slice of life episodes devolves into "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS" thing or they are meaningless like the army episodes from S3:B.
>>150208227That's another thing that makes me doubt that certain creative decisions were really just Dana being a hack.>Dana decides to make the Collector into a dindu/amoral/innocent in S3 despite S3 being cut down during the middle of S2's production>The latter half of S2a was made with S3's production and planning in mind. And they kept The Collector as a little shit consistently UNTIL S3, even though it undermines the whole point of pushing out Belos and putting the Collector in the spotlight.The opposite thing happened to Belos where S2 was set up around humanizing him (especially in the storyboards) only for S3 to go "actually there's no humanity in him whatsoever" despite it undermining the story's constant throughline of "everyone has complexity to them, and no one is firmly two-dimensional".
>>150208346With all the weird shit going on behind the scenes that we still don't have context for and likely won't for a really long time, I'm curious as to how her new show will turn out, and how much of Owl House's flaws were the network's vs her being kind of a hack. Honestly it's an interesting experiment that you don't get to see often, most cartoon creators generally tend to be shackled by one thing or another. Without those limits you can either turn out like Genndy (mixed bag record but with a degree of competence) or John K (total shitshow in the form of APC)
>>150207627>comparing TV ratings in the 2020sMight as well compare blades of grass, TV ratings are at a new low across the board in the age of streaming. Only boomers still watch cable TV.
>>150208435Also Anne/Sasha/Marcy are fucking HOT compared to the ugly degenerate troons from the Owl House
>>150208433I'm more interested in this meta factor than the actual show Guinvere will turn out to be, it just doesn't look that interesting and it looks like a bog standard Five Nights at Freddy's ripoff with a side of "Disney bad!" that's impossible to unsee once you know Dana's grievances. I'm hoping Dana's career crashes and burns, would be funny if she had a Chris Chan style meltdown. Bet she'll somehow blame Disney for that too
>>150207531Is Amphibia actually worth the watch, like for real?Or is it just slop that just gets praise for being slightly less bad than other similar slop?
>>150208510yes
>>150208433Honestly, I get the impression that TOH suffered because Dana was unreasonable in the same way that Lauren Faust has been rumored to be. I can understand being overwhelmed by the sheer amount of executive notes in S1a (or how Dana was fighting with homophobic execs at the start of production), but there's no excuse for the first half of S2 still being meh. Or Dana getting banned from certain meetings, allegedly.Her attitude towards Disney rubs me the wrong way because everything about her art and her tweets on the subject give me the vibes of "I wasn't willing to roll with the punches or be friendly towards my bosses and their ideas". For as much as Alex craps on Disney, he gives off the impression that he'll work with them despite his constant whining. Even Braly isn't immune from shittalking his bosses, but he's been more professional than either Dana or Alex by comparison.Seriously, who works for a company like Disney despite carrying a bunch of anti-Disney bias with you on the way there, and then continuing to harbor it? Dana had a SHIT ton of drawings on her blog that criticized Disney (and the nine old men). It just sounds stupid when you think about it.>grrrr I hate X company for not giving people more creative control and being bigoted>I'm gonna work at X company!!!>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DON'T GET MORE CREATIVE CONTROL AND THAT IT'S RUN BY BIGOTS???? HOW DARE YOU???Dana...you knew how bad things were. You dated Alex Hirsch! He went through so much red tape and S&P crap just to make Gravity Falls GOOD. How could you not have known???
>>150208510It's quite good. Imagine Rayearth crossed with Digimon, Pepper Ann, and a smattering of various JRPGs and classic American 80s fantasy movies while coming across as "Disney's Berserk but Griffith is a teenaged middle school girl cheerleader".And the frogs.
>>150208510It's not worth watching>Or is it just slopYes
>>150208535Yeah like what the fuck did you expect would happen? I mean both Dana and Alex come across as manchildren in this regard, but Dana seems especially bitter about her experience. The fact that she might've gotten banned from certain meetings sounds hilarious lmao. I wonder who on the staff needed to tardwrangle her whenever she threw one of her tantrums
>>150208535Believe me as someone who has heard rumors about Dana she's a massive drama queen who exaggerates out of her ass, like the whole kerfuffle about Luke Weber when rumor has it she was actually the one stalking and harassing him and a lot of the things he allegedly did never actually happened
>>150207531I genuinely don't understand how Amphibia has the same plot as Owl House. I din't watch either show, I only saw clips and people's summaries, but they seem pretty different for me.
>>150207531The writing/threadAlso.Fucking die of cancer, tribefaggot
sex with Eda
>>150207531Owl House was a complete trainwreck of a shitshow. The series ended terribly and rushed, and the finale was so bad. The show was canceled, and people will always remember this show in a negative light because the writing is one of the worst in cartoons. Owl House is overall a shitty cartoon without any legacy. Amphibia had to carry Disney post-2019 by the merit of actually being a good show. So thank Matt Braly for that.
>>150208402I saved some scrapped storyboards from the final episode that showed what you are describing. It was Luz giving her speech to Collector about how you need to understand people in order to be their friend, and he responds by asking her if she would attempt that with Phillip. She responds just by grimacing, he then points out the hypocrisy, and she has a moment of realization.It showed how Luz understood that Belos was still a person, but also that Collector was intelligent/perceptive enough to question the premise of Luz's explanation and that despite how horribly Belos had treated him, Collector still felt bad for the person who he'd spent 400 years with.
>>150208227>"the Collector is just a sad little kid who wants friends"I feel like the biggest missed opportunity here wasn't his motivation. Him being lonely is fine.The mistake was not delving into just how damaged the kid would be after he was treated so badly, and thus how unstable his behavior would be to reflect that. Collector got betrayed by basically every family he ever had. His kin lied to him and used him to help them commit genocide against his friends. The Titan Trappers went against everything he believed in. Papa Titan imprisoned him despite being innocent. Belos stabbed him in the back and twisted the knife after centuries of supposed friendship.The kid would have extreme trust + abandonment issues, severe paranoia, nightmares, claustrophobia, etcA child coping with a history of abuse and neglect by drowning themself in an escapist fantasy of games/distractions/make-believe would have been a really dark and complicated antagonist.Instead, they used his background as an alien combined with his lack of understanding on how mortals work as the crux of his villainous behavior.
>>150207829You really don’t want to talk about plot holes because there’s much bigger plot holes In Owlhouse. Like the curse mysterious scroll of how to put an curse on someone never shown who made the curse implied maybe the collector never confirmed in the show which is weird because he could’ve laughed when he saw Eda in her owl form, bat queen being a talisman went no where. Now insert the pet where you complain the show was canceled so it has 0 faults for this. Also for fun I said world building was what Amphibia did better your post has 0 positive things to compare the world building of Owlhouse.
>>150208510It is good but there is going to be one or two things about it that annoys you. I think that it is better than DuckTales 2017 and definitely better than The Owl House. Amphibia has a more interesting setting and played with the "isekai" aspect better than TOH. It gets points for not being full of shippingfags unlike TOH.>>150207531It has a lot of ideas presented in a shallow uninteresting way.
>>150207531It was just as shit as Amphibia
>>150208433>I'm curious as to how her new show will turn out, and how much of Owl House's flaws were the network's vs her being kind of a hack.it's edgy and has waifus. Glitchfags will eat it up so it will turn out fine
>>150207531A reminder>Amity never meets Lilith after S1>Lilith was the second in command and never knew about Belos' plan>Eda never mentioned Raine except in the episode where he is introduced and we're supposed to believe they are madly in love>Gwen never mentioned Dell despite him actually getting hurt by the curse>Illusion magic is useless despite them being sentient and tangible in S1>We're supposed to fear Belos despite him and his organization jobbing to S1 Luz>Wands are a thing and seem to work just like regular magic, but on a battery, and Lilith and Eda don't use them in S2>Belos saw Luz use glyphs and decided not to tell Hunter about it, despite him having access to information similar to it>Eda totally forgot Owlbert exists>Eda and Lilith don't use their Palismans>Eclipse lake forgets that Eda can do glyph magic now which would mean less drama>Eda and Lilith don't use their Palismans like Bump, despite it being clearly stated they can help disabled witches.>Luz doesn't use Owlbert to perform witch magic even though she practically owns him now.This is why Amphibia is superior to The Owl House in every way. Dana is a hack who can't write for shit.
>>150208920>>150208101>>150208069>>150207978>>150209939the only good thing about toh is this hag and her sister
Do frogniggers realize everyone sees them as just as repugnant as owlniggers?
>>150208659>she was actually the one stalking and harassing him and a lot of the things he allegedly did never actually happenedWhere the fuck did you hear this? I swear dramafags say anything on this site
>>150211143Most frogbros are on the same side as owlbros. It's just one tribefag who thinks he can fit in with the rest of /co/ if he shits on owl house for free
>>150208346Doubly weird because Amphibia got away with their world more bleak with a lot of casual deatha and violence
>>150208774It's very surface level of "normal teen girl gets sent to wacky magic world, shenanigans ensue". Beyond that there's very little in actual similarities beyond a few incidental plot beats.It's like people who say Deep Space Nine is a ripoff/has the same plot as Babylon 5 when there's at most a few superficial similarities in the basic premise
>>150210928sounds a lot like "Araki forgot"
>>150210928>>Eda never mentioned Raine except in the episode where he is introduced and we're supposed to believe they are madly in lovethis always bugs me, its random as fuck
>>150207531Amphibia is a nice and interesting show. It reminds me of the old cartoons when they used to be good. It's comfy and packed with action, and there are actual consequences given to the characters. The main character suffers the most, she even had to die before God raised her from the dead like she's the second coming, the blonde girl lost her two toad friends forever, and the other Asian girl had to accept that she has to leave her friends and live out of state. For a children's cartoon, this show can be so profound in its writing.Owl House, on the other hand, is literal doo-doo water. I have never met anyone who unironically watched this show ever. The creator is a giant obnoxious faggot who is only capable of creating trash. I don't think anyone was surprised after The Owl House ended up being a flop and was canceled in the end. It sums up how actually "influential" and irrelevant The Owl House's dead fanbase really is because the existence of the actual "audience" of the show only proves the consensus of the dead internet theory even more. Even the praise that this shitty show gets looks so very artificial and non-humanlike too.
>>150211125>and her sisterindeed
>>150207579>It's telling that everyone only cares about Dana's new show because muh Owl HouseIt's telling that Owl House was popular with it's audience? Is this supposed to be a dig, fake frog schizo?
>>150211488she wishes she looked that bombwhat a DORK
>>150207531>bralychill guy who just wanted to make a story inspired by the adventures he had as a child. family man with a cute animator wife. >dana jaded "lesbian" with daddy issues who can only write shitty harry potter fanfiction in a post-TERF rowling world. catlady who got STDs from her animator boyfriend really makes you think
>>150207579Amphibia ended up steamrolling Owl House in every aspect and has never ceased being funny to me.
>>150211488if the show was them lesbing it out ot would have been an 8
https://files.catbox.moe/fj88ls.mp4>why do the sigils that appear for King look the same as the ones that appeared for philip in the time travel? >Why does the collector's shadowy figure place his face onto the grimwalker masks? >Why does King proposition to play a fun game, which is what Philip promised to do with Collector after the draining spell>When King says "I would never" and pinky swears he's not just using the collector, why does it sound like he's lying? >if Luz and the time loop never happened, what happens on the day of unity? >to add to that If Raine never promised to Luz, and Eda never had a family worth sacrificing herself for, what happens to the world on the day of unity?>even if you don't care about the above, Why does the tale of the Brother's Wittebane say that Caleb is the older brother?>why does "papa" titan have a shirt from Eda's coven despite apparently being trapped between worlds and not being able to interact with either dimension>>150208402>>150210479and finally I get to make my point: S2 was set up around humanizing Philip specifically because he ISN'T evil and never was. He's being possessed and controlled by wild magick demon Belos. King is the ACTUAL soul of Philip Wittebane reconciling the immense karma brought on by his own life as Papa Titan after the ORIGINAL day of unity.
>>150211488>>150213194kino
>>150207531Who the fuck is the guy is still making threads about the owl house and Dana terrace to ragebait.This is starting to be an actual waste of a thread, and you fuckers are still falling for itThe show nor the creator are good enough to he mad about, they are just there being a show that will be forgotten with time. Heck the show was canceled for a reason.
>>150207531Lesbians
>>150207579>Owl house wasn't popular>People only care about her new show because of Owl Housewhat
>>150213804This slaps
I have never seen Amphibia. Wanna know what's wrong with the show? By season 2 the show stopped being about cool magic adventures and started focusing on shipping and couples and drama The moment they introduced that Owl Lady old lover I dropped the show. Sorry, I'm not an autistic teenage girl, I'm not into romance or whatever.
>>150217407i would slap her tits
