>mediocre as fuck books only liked by nostalgic manchildren who were introduced to these in the 2000s and never read anything actually good written before that
>>150212115You are old and out-of-touch. I read these when I was a teen and they helped me get into comics. I also read the goofy Silver Age stuff that you worship. Guess what I enjoyed more. Sorry that the comics you grew up with are so dated they no longer even appeal to children.
>>150212144>I never developed good tasteYeah, I can tell.
>>150212147Many 2000s comics are objectively better-written and more engaging for the modern reader than many Silver Age comics. This is not a contentious statement in the slightest to any normal person.
>>150212158No, just delusion of a tasteless retard.
>>150212171You could get more people to read 2000s comics than Silver Age comics.
>>150212115Did they ever give Hush a better backstory than "I'm mad your parents died and mine didn't"?
>>150212224Retards, yes.
>>150212236I think Dini tried to salvage him, but the character is inherently shit so it's just putting a bandaid on an amputated leg
>>150212115OP can you please grace us with your superior taste and tell us what we should be reading instead?
>>150212263You need them to survive as an industry anyway
>>150212115I liked USM and am currently re-reading ASM Don't understand the need to put down comics to elevate others when they work in tandem to get you reading more of what you like
>>150212579I'm tired of shit-taste retards constantly chiming with defending this garbage.>>150212561>muh industryYou are the reason hacks like Bendis get work in the first place
Hush was dumb action figures mashing against each other but the Bagley run of Ultimate Spider-Man was good. Far more enjoyable to read than the bulk of 90s Spider-Man comics, none of JMS's totem or Sins Past shit.
>>150212579I don't like Stan Lee's writing, but I prefer it to Bendis. I also prefer Ditko's art to Bagley's. This coming from someone who grew up with USM.
>>150212815>no, it's the children who are wrong. They should want Superman eating a thousand burgers, and every other issue having monkeys. KYS you faggot psued.
>>150213863>wahh wahh don't criticize Bendis or [schizo strawman]Kill yourself retard schizo. Hope you die in pain.
>>150213863Superhero comics weren't high literature before but the absurdist covers and Gorilla thing came from attempts to appeal to retards.
>>150213656>Bagley run of Ultimate Spider-Man was goodUltimate Spider-Man was a shitty attempt to modernize Lee/Ditko/Romita. It absolutely ruined absolutely all of Spider-Man's villains.Also funny how the retard above cries about "muh superheroes eating burgers", when most of Ultimate Spider-Man was basically that. Boring uneventful high-school drama that's not even remotely compelling or interesting. At least original run quickly understood that nobody cares about school shit and moved Peter to college.
>>150212158>Many 2000s comics are objectively better-written and more engaging for the modern reader than many Silver Age comics.Not really.
>>150214040>Ultimate Spider-Man was a shitty attempt to modernize Lee/Ditko/Romita.It was a great attempt. The shitty attempt was Byrne's Chapter One.Untold Tales was good too, but it didn't sell.>Boring uneventful high-school drama that's not even remotely compelling or interesting. At least original run quickly understood that nobody cares about school shit and moved Peter to college.The personal drama was fun. And Lee/Ditko didn't move it out of high school because it was "boring" they did it because the entire Marvel Universe was moving in real time in its early stages. Stan slammed the brakes on that when their popularity didn't wane, came to the conclusion they were moving too fast.
>Hulk Goblin is the worst incarnation of Green Goblin ever>Doc Ock is completely sane, just evil. No, he's talking to his tentacles because Raimi's Spider-Man 2 is around the corner and we want le heckin' synergy. No, he's been Magneto-lite all along. No, he's been saved once so he's a good guy now. No, he's evil again. No, he's dead.>Shocker is JUST-tier>Kraven is JUST-tier x10000>if you can even remember Sandman was in the book good for you, because Bendis only ever did when it was time for the obligatory Sinister Six crossover>cancer cure Venom sucks (he was cool in the videogame and the videogame is the best thing Bendis ever did, shame he retconned it with an inferior retelling)>same as Carnage>Kingpin is basically 616 Fisk, so he's the least offensive out of all Bendis' "reimaginings">Harry Hobgoblin is somehow even lamer than Green Goblin>Vulture is another generic henchman-tier with no personality to speak of>so is Deadpool>Omega Red is here instead of X-Men for some reason and he's the same jobber personality void as Shocke, Kraven, Vulture and Deadpool are>Scorpion is just a clone who fights Peter once and never shows up again>not even Bendis himself knew what he wanted to do with Ultimate Mysterio, so he just went "fuck it" and made it 616 MysterioBendis took one of the most iconic rogues galleries in capeshit and made it boring.
>>150214332They're equally as shit. The only thing that makes Byrne's worse is that it was supposed to be a "definitive" reboot.
>>150214074Spider-Man was one of the better, more accessible silver age comics, hence it's popularity but unless you grew up with the stuff or are some kind of comics hipster, you're going to find most silver age books hard to get into. The writing and art are just so archaic compared to most books published in the last 25 years. They were archaic by 90s standards, archaic compared to bronze age books from the 70s-80s.
>>150213898Nuh-uh, I asked you first.I didn't defend Bendis, and you're a gormless faggot who can't quantify their taste or that of others.
>>150214332>The personal drama was fun.I think it's boring because you know all those relationships will not lead to anything substantial because Ultimate Peter has been 15 for 12 fucking years. So sorry if I don't care if breaks up/gets back together with Mary Jane/Kitty for 100th time or if Flash Thompson continues to receive zero character development. None of this had any weight, it all felt meaningless. Maybe moving a bit faster and showing characters growing up would've made it more impactful, otherwise it all feels stagnant.
>>150214532>wahh wahh wahhNobody cares about your worthless crying.You will die and everybody will be happy and laughing at your grave.
>>150212115Hush was carried by the art. It's a bad story.USM is the only time Bendis actually wrote anything remotely good but even then, the post-Ultimatum half was undercooked.
>>150214354>Doc Ock is completely sane, just evil. No, he's talking to his tentacles because Raimi's Spider-Man 2 is around the corner and we want le heckin' synergy. No, he's been Magneto-lite all along. No, he's been saved once so he's a good guy now. No, he's evil again. No, he's dead.>not even Bendis himself knew what he wanted to do with Ultimate Mysterio, so he just went "fuck it" and made it 616 MysterioI regrettably remember how jarring these two were.
>>150214485I used to believe this, but I think the truth is that kind of mentality didn't lead to getting a healthier readership base, it led to getting lazy readers who didn't want to put the minimal effort to reading anything made before the 00s.
>>150214608>USM is the only time Bendis actually wrote anything remotely good It's quite incredible how much better USM was compared to Alias.I started reading USM, then I read Alias because it was put on many recommendation lists and had the same writer, so I thought it could be good.It was one of the most miserable comic book reading experiences I have ever had. I'll never understand why it gets so much praise.
>>150212561Why would I care about keeping the industry propped up? Let it die, and the people who really want to make comics, will continue.It'll solve so many problems.
>>150214533I don't read corporate superhero stories expecting finality. The drama exists in the moment.
>>150215803Nobody says anything about "finality", just that there's zero progress. And again, school drama is boring by default. Moving onto a more adult lane was the smartest decision Lee ever made.
>>150215816>Nobody says anything about "finality", just that there's zero progress.Every arc has a resolution.>And again, school drama is boring by default. If that were true, there wouldn't be a million different books, tv shows, movies about high school.
>>150216283And there's zero resolution in Ultimate Spider-Man, just spinning its wheels.And all high school media is terrible slop.
>>150216337This describes every ongoing comic Marvel's ever published going for for around 60 years now.
>>150212115you sound angry
>>150212115The 2000s is a crapshoot decade, moreso than the previous two decades.
>>150216371In what way? Because if you're claiming the stuff from the 60s to the 90s is just spinning its wheels there's small periods where it's true but still moved things forward no matter how much copium people at Marvel convince themselves it's an illusion of change. But if you mean the 2000s-2010s-2020s era then yeah, it's spinning its wheels because Marvel editorial don't really care what writers do because they can just reset to their "evergreen" status quo if they feel like it
>>150212158>Takes 5 issues to do what the silver age did with more impact in just 15 pages.
>>150212115Ultimate was like a shitty best of Spider-Man stories but by a cover band outside the ending. I hadn't read classic Spider-Man so I loved it in high-school but other than the Death and the Funeral I really can't get through it
>>150214354You're underselling how bad Hulk Goblin was. He "died " like three or four times
If the ultimate books weren't cribbing their notes and brand from famous characters and were 100 percent unique, like if this was the first time we ever saw Spider-man? it would never catch
>>150212115Your taste is probably not any better.
>>150212144>You are oldThose comics are 25 YEARS old. A full quarter CENTURY. If you like comics that old then YOU are the one who is "old and out-of-touch".
>>150214485this post is delusionalthe further the industry moved toward the modern style of writing, the lower sales got
>>150220530Whether Cap or Iron Man or Hulk or Fantastic Four or Spider-Man or Daredevil or Thor or the rest of the Avengers or the X-Men, a few details change, but the concepts and conflicts overall remain the same aside from the moments where they temporarily shift the status quo to something else before inevitably going back.
>>150221454Kids read those old books because comics just weren't done in any other way. They don't and wouldn't read them now. They have their own Scholastic graphic novels now which don't look or read like 50s-60s superhero comics.
