We gotta talk about Starscream.
Yeah…We should
Why?
>>150213444>We gotta talk about Starscream.What about Megatron's bitch
>>150213473https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xouhw1mqI5I>ITS TIME TO FINISH THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL. ACTIVATE PROTON CANON. YOULL ALL MINE UNICRON!I actually fucking had water in my eyes when Trigger added this in their animation. This is by far the most iconic Starscream death...yes even over "HERES A HINT!"
>>150213489This is the last time Starscream shits up my board.
>>150213557>>150213473>"To me, you were always the strongest warrior. I never wanted to beat you. I wanted you to recognize me. Perhaps that's the only reason... If one is to keep on living, then there are times when we must talk like this, and now I finally have that chance. Convoy is a truly trustworthy Commander. I beg you, please let all Transformers join forces. Let us unite both sides so that we may share our strength! So much has happened..."Microns JP dub does Starscream a lot more justice and still arguably keeps his turncoat nature albeit for a different reason. All he ever wanted was to be respected and Megatron was a bully
>>150213444We don't talk about Starscream, no, n, no
>>150213605It's what makes me love Armada the most.
>>150213557Im glad Trigger kept him ejecting Swindle too its just so iconic and Starscreams last kind moment to the minicons, I really wish they do finally get their Transformer show
>>150213444How often is Starscream depicted with a darker face nowadays? Do you prefer him with a light face or a darker face?
>>150213929It's never bothered me I'll be honest. My favourite design for him is Armada though.
I was told starscream would love my OC because of his stirnerian philosophy
considering he's a literal emperor in cyberworld, do you think Starscream would even want to exit cyberworld like Optimus and others do?
>>150213444I like his Transformers One hips
>>150213444If all Starscream incarnations fought, who'd come out on top?
>>150214206that cosmically powered one that killed everyone elseand all the immortal ones
>>150213473He's genuinely a good character. Conflicts with loyalty, backstabs but out of personal beliefs instead of lust for power, eventually sacrifices himself for the greater good and inspires others, it's great.The only real problem is, that's Dinobot. They did Dinobot but put Starscream on it. He doesn't really do anything Starscream, like null rays. You know what he has? A sword. Because Dinobot had a sword. And he joins the good guys but betrays them but then he has to do a final sacrifice to save the day. It's Dinobot in Starscream face. And he's sadly one of the best Starscreams...
>>150213444STAAARSCREAAAM.GET OUT OF /CO/ AND BRING ME ENERGON YOU CLUNKER.
>>150213444Was my biggest crush watching Armada. I dont believed in the existence of any other starscream Im too weak to face reality
>>150214531I ATE IT ALL! YOU CAN EAT MY SHIT IF YOU WANT IT SO MUCH!
>>150214036Cyberworld has black thighs like Transformers One>>150214108Do you think the black thighs will continue to future Starscreams?
>>150214206Base? Long term upgrades allowed? One-time enhanced versions?It's either Cybertron with his various enhanced states (even in base he was pretty strong) or Underbase. In the end, Ghost Starscream wins via possesion
>>150214606Damnit Starscream. You failed me for the last time, again!
>>150213444He's a parent...https://youtu.be/GHW4qW0EFhU?feature=shared&t=414
>>150213444Lust provoking image
>>150214531>>150214606>>150214906Read it in their voices.
>>150213444has this guy ever had a happy ending where he's not dead or crazy or some other thing?
>>150216044Animated? I never saw that one. G1? Maybe?
>>150216474Animated he was stuck in space as a floating head. In G1 he was completely annihilated by Galvatron.
>>150216544This is what I get for not watching all the things.
>>150216562Surprised you weren’t aware of his fate in G1. That’s probably one of the most famous scenes second to Optimus’ death.https://youtu.be/U4iwY2LXhz0
>>150216632I have a bad memory.
>>150216044i don't think he has.G1 had him die, come back as a ghost, get resurrected, then flung out into space and presumably died out there.in Beast Wars his spark appears and possesses waspinator, then is flung back out into the vacuum of space.Armada had him sacrifice himself.Bayverse got his head blown up.Animated had him die and come back several times before getting killed at the end (deleted scenes nonwithstanding.)IDW had him sacrifice himself.Prime had him PREDAKING'DCyberverse had him get beaten to death, then turned into a quintesson judge, then exploded.Earthspark had his character assassinated.it actually does upset me a little bit. if i ever was put in charge of the series, i'd want him to get a good ending. he's an asshole, but if fucking megatron can get let off the hook, why can't he? why not?
>>150217230>>150216044his only good ending is armada if he survives and lives with Alexis
>>150213444starscream in g1>funny back stabbing faggot that always gets the last laugh somehow even when he jobs the worse, has a funny voicestarscream in all media>master genius with 7 million IQ that never does wrong and is a threat equal only to unicron himself, an ultra chad on cybertron with the manliest voice and best combat abilitiesstarscream in fanfiction>essentially bejitawhat causes this
>>150214468i feel like in Beast Wars, they sort of divided starscream into two. terrorsaur was the starscream That Is, and dinobot was the starscream That Could Bei truly do believe that one can do a defector starscream arc without copying dinobot's steez. you just have to 1. keep him alive and 2. just have him be more...starscream-y. you know. don't make him TOO aloof, don't make him super woobie, he's this fucking prick thats everyone has to deal with because he's a useful prick, but hopefully, HOPEFULLY. being around people who don't beat the fuck out of him and belittle him every day, will do some good for his processor
>>150217277Starscream Kiss Players real
>>150217342upon rereading this i do think it was disingenuous of me to reduce Dinobot to "starscream that could be"i'm sorry dinobot.....i got too caught up in huffing airplane fumes to give you the respect you deserve
>>150217360Doesnt this remind you of how Thrust dies in Armada? Thrust was the true G1 starscream but he didnt have sheer will to live for Starscream
>>150217374>>150217342>the guy obsessed with honor is the starscream That Could Bethis has to be the stupidest thing i have ever read a starscream fag claim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO289bB6Sjs>Thrust if you dare to have dreams of power....you will be consumed by them
>>150217404to fair armada starscream exists
>>150217404put the clown nose on me. i meant in terms of like...friction with the team, being abrasive, them not trusting him, but the similarities end there.ive got worms
>>150217342>>150217374>>150217419and then if we apply this to Armada, Thrust is the Starscream and Armada Starscream that could be
>>150217455if you think aboout it, Sentinel Prime is literally the Starscream That Could Be
>>150217519if you think about it anyone could be starscream
>>150217353Cute and canon! Or it would be if he’d survived…
1-3 start energon in the JP dub4-6 start animated7-9 start beast wars0 reroll
>>150218057>beast warswell the numbers have spoken
>>150213444>I don’t like this Decepticon, Soundwave. His smug aura mocks me.
>>150218057you won't regret it. beast wars is peak
Imagine having that dipshit as your boss.
>>150217590I like to think we’ve all got a little Starscream in us
>>150217230>it actually does upset me a little bit. if i ever was put in charge of the series, i'd want him to get a good ending. he's an asshole, but if fucking megatron can get let off the hook, why can't he? why not?IDW gave him a good ending- he accepted his flaws, tried to do genuine good, then finally gave up himself and confessed all of his lies, manipulations and assharery to prevent an even worse person to take Cybertron's control. Sure, he was sent to jail for eons, but he was feeling fine and ready to turn a new leaf and start a new life.Holiday specials use to throw him a bone and give him a good ending as well.
>>150218207i would enjoy that>>150218290i thought he died?
>>150218187https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBN_oD-iqgg
>>150218327>i thought he died?Depends of the continuity. The Dinobots died without ever being reunited with Grimlock and then the next continuity had them again working as a team and reluctantly assuming a city's leaderhip on a dying Cybertron before the planet healed itself.
>>150218327Starscream can literally never die
>>150220157>Starscream can literally never dieremind again what makes him so special why is his spark immortal
>>150217230>PREDAKING'DI only know of Megatron's and Silas's deaths in Prime. What happens to Starscream there?
>>150222034>gets confronted by the predacons>camera cuts to the autobots as starscream cowers on the old throne and the predacons approach himPREDAKINGED.COM
>>150221377Well it depends. Like in TF Animated he got a piece of the Allspark stuck in his head but I think in G1 he’s just a freak of nature
Megatron fucking LOVES Starscream.
>>150222579yeah, when his spark appears in beast wars, i think it's said he has a weird fucked up mutant spark that can not only exist outside of a body, but also time travel (?)primus's specialest boy
>>150216781Sorry to hear that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH67e9Qh-TI
>>150217360something about this is oddly funny
>>150223299Till all are one(Except for Starscream)
>>150213473>Starscream is fun to watch in G1>Prime Starscream fights for no one, not for others, but himself like a boss until later when he joins>Energon Starscream gains respect and learns about himselfTruly the best bot.
>>150217516When was the last time we saw Starscream in his G1 colors or similar? I feel it's always gray or purple now.
>>150225190cyberverseearthsparkcyberworld
>>150225047it would feel especially tragic if everyone could be absorbed back into the well of all-sparks except for starscreamthe anti-special boy>>150225190he's close to his original colors in One
>>150213489>Megatron's bitchShockwave that's youuuuu!
>>150226147i found two tumblr posts where people muse on the idea of him being Primus's special boyhttps://www.tumblr.com/scribescrawls/769385339052834816/heard-starscream-has-an-immortal-spark-and-crackhttps://www.tumblr.com/nep-nomer/740266500867375104/the-starscream-theory
>>150217230The fangirl who made this chart is delusional. Cyberverse Starscream tried to eradicate his entire universe over a petty grudge and is somehow less "pure evil" than G1 Starscream? What the hell did G1 Starscream ever do that could be considered 'evil' that none of the other decepticons also did? Also Prime Starscream as redeemable? Maybe in this fangirl's fanfics but the dude was Megatron's bottom bitch from day 1.
>>150216044not a happy ending since he still hears Unicron but at least Netflix War For Cybertron starscream remains alive
>>150217396What a nice macross reference.
Siege was a fucking disaster of a show. But it have us the hardest hitting Starscream scene in history of the franchise.https://youtu.be/_mb5SMY57lA?si=eZCyygJwciMN_T3W>I... can fly.
>>150213444I really just want to beat him up.
>>150216044What do we think of Cyberworld's Starscream's chance of getting a happy ending?I think since they're in a game, it's likely he makes it to the end alive somehow
>>150217342>>150217374>>150217404NTA but i always considered dinobot to be the starscream adjacent character in beast wars especially since armada starscream is basically dinobot but he transforms into a plane.the only difference between him and everyone's favorite F-16 cybertronian is that dinobot just straight up tells megatron to fuck off and join the maximals while more traditional takes on starscream would stick around and take the abuse while biding his time.>>150226558my personal theory for G1 starscream is that he's a deep cover autobot based on how much of the autobot's victories in some of the G1 episodes were because of starscream.
>>150227717Why is there a twitter screenshot my 4chan
>>150213557>>150213605>All he ever wanted was to be respected and Megatron was a bullyI think the English dub of Armada really ruined the point of this Starscream's character arc, because it gave a very simplified version of his relationship with Megatron.The whole speech during his death was to make the point that, not only did Starscream respect Megatron, but he *still* does. His disagreements with Megatron hadn't changed that, and he dies forgiving him.The dub fumbles this angle, and morphs Starscream's final words into a guilt-trip towards Megatron; rubbing in his mistakes instead, making his death weirdly bitter by comparison.This was to contrast what we'd learned about Megatron up to this point and after SS's death, that the reason he was so hard on him was because he knew Starscream was the only one with the potential to succeed him - only in his Might Makes Right worldview, the only way Starscream could earn that title was if he defeated Megatron in combat, which's why he tried to intentionally foster hatred in him.Starscream dying in a noble but knowingly-futile attack was supposed to be the turning point that made Megatron look back on his previous actions, and culminate in his final battle with Optimus - I think Megatron knew by then that his worldview nigh-completely shattered, but he still wanted to go out with a bang in a final match against Optimus, a person who he still considered to be on some level a hypocrite. It's why Megatron was willing to kill himself in the black hole, why his final words to Optimus were a warning that "darkness" like himself would always exist: it's because he resigned himself to the fact a peaceful world had no place for someone like him, but there would always be people like him.
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>>150216544>>150216632Didn't he become a ghost afterwards?
>>150228579I had no idea what Macross was as a kid but one of my favourite toys was a Jetstorm repaint from Beast Machines in these colors which I'm sure had to be intentional. I don't expect anyone to care but he was my nigga
I'm playing Super Robot Wars Y right now and I am reminded how great it is that Kaiser Dynazenon is a very blatant Starscream reference.
>>150228692Yes, and then Unicron gave him a new body and he was sent flying off into space.
>>150228742What's he from?
>>150213929>Do you prefer him with a light face or a darker face?It's not really an issue for anyone except the retards who think it indicates what race he'd be if he was human. Unfortunately many such cases.>>150214468I feel like they're different enough because their motivations for turning against Megatron were completely different. Dinobot thought BW Megatron's whole plan was a failure and he was leading the Predacons to ruin, while Armada Starscream had enough of Megatron being a bully taking out his failures on his troops, and particularly on Starscream himself.
>>150226571>What the hell did G1 Starscream ever do that could be considered 'evil' that none of the other decepticons also did?Try to revive Unicron in the cartoon?The Underbase saga in the comics?Also that cartoon episode where he tried to destroy Earth with all the season 1 Transformers still there, where he said "I'll rule the galaxy even if I'm the only one left in it!"
>>150225190>Starscream in his G1 colors or similar?RID (2015)Cyberverse EarthsparkCyberworld>I feel it's always gray or purple now.It probably would have been true 15 years ago, but as of now, most designs are closer their G1 counterparts or stylistically closer to g1 as a whole than they've ever been before.
>>150226558i like to think that his spark was like that of a .1 percenter's, but even more so. a .001 percenter. the random number generator of primus just naturally creating a special boy.it could've been planned by primus, sure. but i'm not sure which i like better, if he was planned as a secret weapon, or if he was just a fluke of numbers. both have potential for suffering and gloating on his part
How the hell did he beat Windblade in an election?
>>150229345>Are you going to vote for an off-world immigrant over a native Cybertronian?>How can you be sure she'll prioritize Cybertron's interests over those of Caminus? >Why are we even letting an off-worlder stand for election?Somehow, Starscream was elected
>>150229345"I aint voting for a woman" - Shitpiece,circa 2014
>>150213444Blitzwing mogs him,skywarp rapes him
>>150229624>Blitzwingwell, only if it's TFA Blitzy. Bless G1 Blitzwing's soul, but he was definitely a doofus.>SkywarpAs long as it's G1 Skywarp, then hell yeah absolutely.
>>150228495Starscream has done the questionable act of putting the decepticon logo on his pussy area, therefore 4chan must know about it too
>>150229608Can’t forget the underrated character Shitpiece
*GLOMPS MEGATRON*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce_VOlRTT_8
why is he playing with the powersourcehttps://youtu.be/esXU944Otqs?feature=shared&t=603
>>150229069>I’ll rule the galaxy even if I’m the only one left in it!Badass
>>150229069>Tried to revive unicronPlease elaborate on that one. Because I never saw all of that one. And that is actually the pinnacle of Starscream retardation.
>>150232242It was one of the season 3 episodes where Starscream was a ghost, who could possess other Transformers. Unicron offered to properly resurrect Starscream if he'd acquire new eyes for him, and bring his head to Cybertron so he could convert the planet into a new body for himself. Unicron actually held up to his end of the bargain, while Starscream betrayed him as soon as he had his own body again.
>>150216044no and he should never have a happy ending.
>>150226794when i met Frank Todaro at tfcon a few years ago, i had a Siege Starscream for him to sign, he was like was there anything you'd like on the box beyond my signature, not really but then Frank was like, how about my favourite line, which was I can fly. i'm glad Frank did that. i didn't like WFC Trilogy at all but i loved Frank's work as Starscream in Kingdom.
>>150233631>but i loved Frank's work as Starscream in Kingdomme too
>>150233556so he basically resurrected unicron just enough so that only he would personally benefitsounds pretty on-brand
new episode of cyberworld is hereno starscream in this episodemegatron is a cow!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw3xZbmeuD0
>>150234526mirage is getting bullied by Megatron because Starscream isn't with Megatron
>>150217360it made me happy to see my beautiful beloved wife at the beginning of the webm
Wish I had another thread to drop this on, but screw it, I'll have to make due with this one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQqiyTlXXDU&ab_channel=JOHNNYFLASHThis came out just a few hours ago, figured you guys would be interested.
>>150213605>notice me senpaiwoah anime is so deep
>>150235255did you nominate her for ms. /co/ this year?
>>150213444I'd like to know how he knew of the McRib's secret hiding spot.
>>150227619Yeah Starscream in Armada was a Dinobot clone.
>>150235793that was intentional. Aaron Archer loved what they did with Dinobot and his arc and thought it'd be interesting to do something like it with the Starscream he'd be developing. there's a surprising amount of Beast Wars DNA in Armada. The Galvatron deco is based on BWII Galvatron. Aaron Archer actually was the designer of TM2 Dragon Megatron, his first stint on the brand before taking over shortly after.
>>150226147>his original colors in OneFuck how could I have forgotten.
>>150235489looks like she's already on the list. I don't really know much about how the tournaments actually work to be honest, I usually ignore them
>>150236321basically you just pick whoever you like the most on a google forms sheet and people argue about it.it's most enjoyable in the early stages, when people are making a lot of OC campaigning for their waifus.the bickering and shitflinging gets worse as the rounds progress, but the mr. /co/ contests generally tend to be chiller/have more shitposting
sometimes I search up the Starscream tag on tumblr but I come across many texts about users writing him either pregnant or laying eggs
>>150237751Why pregnant and why eggs specifically? Don’t Cybertronians already have a form of reproduction?
>>150235489I never liked Arcee. Just a generic fembot that isn't even designed to realistically transform without an enormous backpack of panels, what's the point? It's meant to be a transformer, aint it? But she was the first and set the standard so every new female TF has to be designed like her, meaning nearly all of them have generic human-proportioned designs even 40 years later - just add some shoulder wings if you're feeling WILD.GoBots had good female character designs. Crasher/Smallfoot/Pathfinder all just look like regular TFs with feminine faces, and that's perfect, all they need to be. It's embarrassing that TF is being mogged by GoBots in this area to this day.Never a fan of her writing neither. Always has to relate to her being either vaguely motherly (G1, TFA), or a girlboss to subvert being motherly (TFP, IDW). Cyberverse/Earthspark tried to make her into an adventurous adrenalin-junky, which is fun, but feels ill-fitting for Arcee since it's so far-removed from her - just make a new character at that point. We're in desparate need for more female characters anyway, instead of just using Arcee again or genderbending previous liked characters.
>>150229345He didn't. He confessed to all his crimes out of guilt.
>>150238993I like her in the Energon Universe, her seeing Carly go down the same path she did and trying to temper the girl's anger was a good arc. Also her mollywhopping Eilita rocketed her near the top of best bots IMO
>>150238993>But she was the first and set the standard so every new female TF has to be designed like her, nope, the pre-movie female autobots predate her>meaning nearly all of them have generic human-proportioned designs even 40 years later - just add some shoulder wings if you're feeling WILD.have you considered that maybe fembots look like that because it's fun?>GoBots had good female character designs. Crasher/Smallfoot/Pathfinder all just look like regular TFs with feminine faces, and that's perfect, all they need to be. It's embarrassing that TF is being mogged by GoBots in this area to this day.yeah dude, gobot designs look GREAT. pic rel is how definitely how female transformers should look >Never a fan of her writing neither. Always has to relate to her being either vaguely motherly (G1, TFA), what's wrong with that?>or a girlboss to subvert being motherly (TFP, IDW). what's wrong with that?>Cyberverse/Earthspark tried to make her into an adventurous adrenalin-junky, which is fun,it is fun
>>150239347I can't get into the melodrama in EU, I haven't really gotten enough of a major reason to get attached to anybody. Things just happen and Optimus acts distressed about it, and that's about it. It's a shame, I was really looking forward to it originally.>>150240052>the pre-movie female autobots predate herElita and co were designed after the crew realized Arcee was gonna be a thing, they just happened to beat Arcee to screen debut. But really, they have the same issue as her.>have you considered that maybe fembots look like that because it's fun?I don't think it's fun, i think it's boring and lame. Transformers has had so many fun and interesting robot designs, but the girl ones only get to be regular humanoid robots wearing backpacks.Look man, I love many regularly-proportioned male TFs like Optimus and Hot Rod, sure; but it's not as if they represent the single and only bodytype male TFs are allowed to have.>yeah dude, gobot designs look GREAT. pic rel is how definitely how female transformers should look That one looks hilarious, I love it. Hell yeah, give me more cute/dorky designs like that; I love the G1 minibots.Most importantly though, that design looks like a robot that transforms into a car - as opposed to a humanoid robot that has a couple wheels or wings stapled on. Yawwwwn.>what's wrong with that?The vaguely motherly bit, mainly execution. That type of character doesn't make sense to be on the front lines of a war, and TF is a series about war. TFA got around this by making her a civilian (and a spy disguised as a civilian), and I think would've been interesting to see her as a teacher interacting with Sari in S4 - but as it stands, her only existing presence was to be effectively a comatose plot device for progressing RATCHET's character. Nothing wrong with that, and it made Ratchet's character more powerful, but it didn't exactly do much for Arcee herself.(cont)
>>150241756 (cont)For the latter, it's mainly that it feels like an insincere reaction to her previous personality. Making "the mommy transformer" into an edgy trauma-ridden melodrama magnet is so far-removed that, like the CV/ES characterization, it makes me feel "gods, just make this a new character at this point". Also, yeah, I just dislike the execution on her stories.Arcee's stuck in this limbo to me where, I dislike her original characterization, but each time they try to replace it with a different personality, it doesn't feel like Arcee anymore to me. I'd rather just bin her and introduce new characters.
It's my knowledge that every single person that I've seen making a fuzz about fembot designs in TF has consistently been:>a faggot>a tranny>a fujo>all three at onceIn which case it's morally justifiable to disregard their inane complaints.
>Nooo you can't have a reasonable desire for interesting designs and writing, my COOM is more important!!!
>>150241756>>150241865>Transformers has had so many fun and interesting robot designs, but the girl ones only get to be regular humanoid robots wearing backpacks.>I love many regularly-proportioned male TFs like Optimus and Hot Rod, sure; but it's not as if they represent the single and only bodytype male TFs are allowed to have.I enjoy shapely feminine looking fembots, but yeah, I'm actually on the same page as you here. what bothers me though is that it seems like many who make this argument would have "sexy" fembots done away with altogether. if it were up to me, the average female Transformer would look something similar to Strongarm, the ones specifically characterized as being "hot" could look like G1 fembots, and then there would be additional variety for the sake of contrastI get where you're coming from with most of this man, I just felt compelled to defend my wife.
>>150237751>pregnantto be fair that happens to most bots. i think out of everyone i've seen optimus prime pregnancy fics the most>>150238968this is rather simple>seekers fly>birds fly>birds lay eggs>ergo, seekers also lay eggseven though there are canonical methods of reproduction, they aren't quite as erotic as sexual/organic methods of reproduction. same reason people give cybertronians genitals even though they have no need for them.personally, i find the more esoteric forms of gratification (plug n play, electromagnetic field manipulation, etc) just as good, but those are harder to come by.
>>150242676Blackarachnia's one of my favorite characters and i'm also a capefan, so of course I'm not against the idea of ANY feminine or idealized bodies existing lol. I'd just like a lot more variety, that's all.
>>150242794>>150242676>>150242360you can even have fembots be stereotypically feminine, but you can still give them varietycall me a cityspeaker the way im talking up the architecture
I really do wish they'd actually commit to a redemption arc for him instead of pussying out halfway through like Cyberverse or Earthspark while Megatron gets away with becoming Mecha Hitler.I know Starscream's thing is he's a shithead but actually go through with it for once. Let him be Vegeta.
>>150243631you can make him bejita but you have to make sure he is barely tolerable. don't fold him into the main group only to have him undergo several humiliation rituals and then get shoved off to the side. make him this prickly jerkwad who everyone HAS to tolerate and learn to love as he is because he's not going anywhere. if you can make it work it has the potential to be very entertaining and distinct. i can see him calling optimus a dumbfuck to his face when he doesn't like a plan.
