It's finally happening, panbroshttps://x.com/PanPizzaArt/status/1964006913013592355
>>150213828Alright, /co/Predict the view count
>>150213963100k at the absolute mostPan will commit suicide on his next Livestream
>>150213828Cool for a one-off independent short, but this concept is just far too niche and still complicated to track narratively for a long-form series. Many of these indie filmmakers need to quit using the term "pilot" so loosely when it's clear they can't afford to make more installments on their own.
>>150213828yay!
>>150214023It's so weird how so many of them call their shorts pilots since 2019.Even the webtoons of the older age knew they were small scale and kept their episodes to 5 mins or less with budget animation. Everyone is trying to shit out 30 min epics now.
>>150213993>100k at the absolute mostpretty much yeah lol, maaaybe 200k if lucky
>>150214023That's what a pilot is. A little proof of concept to show investors so you can make more. You work up enough goodwill to make a pitch, might get a little funding to turn that pitch into a pilot, get more funding to turn that pilot into an purchase order for a season, and see where it goes from there.Anyway this thing looks embarrassing. But it says something that an untalented person with crazy persistence will get farther than any genius who just sits there and stews without creating anything.
>>150213828anyone remember that adult swim pitch
>>150214087>InvestorsThere are no fucking investors.
>>150214087KekarooThe reality is that these indiefags are fucking themselves into debt to produce bloated episodes. Some of these retards are pouring 50-100k into these and they will never get picked up.Especially now since the industry is completely dead. No one except the most nepo of nepobabies are getting greenlit. Even animation industry vets are struggling.It's beyond over
>>150214106Adult Swim funded the pilotPartially
>>150213963It’s capping at 211k views
>>150213963This is literally just the same trailer he did 2 years ago with slightly different wording. Also Loki’s a demon now? A bit late to hop on the hazbin hotel train pan.
>>150213828>web cartoon about demonsEvery time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZOeCcXwdwc
>>150214023I feel like the logistical problems stem from Pan wanting to make something more teen/adult oriented instead just a kid show that wouldn't bring those problems up themselves.When you get down to it it's really just one of those collect em all, battle of the week sort of shows that flooded the early 2000's. Digimon, Pokemon, Medabots, Megaman Battle Network, except all themed around art and animation.
>>150214023This this this, tpbpThis is stylish as fuck but it does feel like it's going to be one of those "pilots" that doesn't go anywhere unless a studio picks it up, which will almost certainly not happen.Still better than LSMark's godawful horse shit pilot. I'll take style over substance over whatever the fuck that was.>>150214045Hazbin Hotel happened and now every half rate animator thinks if they put>[PILOT]in their YouTube title that Amazon is just going to scoop their shitty idea up and make it into a multi million dollar production.
>>150214421Why can't these guys create PG 90s cartoon level stuff with these concepts? Instead they just staple the word "fuck" to the script so they can call it adult
Whatever happens, at least we know it's gonna turn out better than Catching Up.
>>150214463I think Loki IRL is meant to be PG/PG 13 with the only "edgy" elements being the violence and sex appeal
>>150214527I'm still not sure what Catching Up was supposed to be about
>>150214552Trailer has overtly displays a big black chick with visible nipples and pubes and a song with F bombs.
>>150213993Judging from his current view count, sounds about right
>so Pan, can you have sex with the IRL cartoons?
>>150214527>>150214570it was about a guy who thinks having a youtube channel where he bitches about fairly odd parents means he can make a cartoon all about how girls were mean to him
>>150214683Will Loki IRL be better than Fixed
>>150214672I'm privy to information about Youtube watch time and such because I make my own videos. I have noticed that watch time has just about halved over the span of a couple years. The average Youtube viewer is fucking retarded and probably only watched 3 minutes out of 30 minute videos, so obviously Youtube is not gonna promote his content
I noticed that Toonrifictirq and Hatsoffmedia haven't promoted their own pilots in the few uploads they made in a while. Did they give up?
I wonder if Bianca still has a sister in this version
>>150214718Maybe, it’ll be more tolerable than fixed
I really liked the comic back before I came to grips with how much of a fag Pizzaboy is (no, I haven’t forgotten those stories about you bullying Penken, Ricky), but even at that, a majority of the changes he made for what he now considers the definitive version that’s going into the pilot are for the worse. I think issue 2 or so was where it peaked for me and he clearly let Bad Webcomic Wiki’s and Sonny’s criticisms go to his head.
>>150214762They're probably just focused on animating them or doing other things. I know Tariq has to commission to pay the bills.
>>150214035if i were Pan, i'd be eternally pissed at Mango for fucking up my life to such a degree >starts dating Pan for his YT clout >makes him drop everything to move to Chicago with her>transitions into a guy >breaks up with Pan>randomly moves to Ukraine and leaves Pan alone in Chicago what the actual fuck
>>150214463Obviously, they don't have the business skills and professionalism required in the industry and just want to make stuff that appeals to the artistic weirdos in their inner-circle, instead of demographics. The irony is, when I think of an excellent salesman, I think of the arch-nemesis of cartoon reviewers - Butch Hartman. They should take a page out of his book.
>>150213828You know what? I'll make a bold statement right here and now:>The pilot will probably just be okayI'll be generous in saying there's enough here for it to be a semi-compotent mess of loose influences.We probably won't get too annoyed.I look forward to one or two people online making their own IRLs, feels like the main gimmick people will latch onto.Pan really needed to plan this shit out in his webcomic though, he'd save himself a lot of headaches.>>150214718It'll be way shorter to sit through.Loki IRL will be on YouTube for free and I don't plan on watching a whole movie about dog castration.No one, not Walt Disney or Miyazaki or fucking Ralph Baksi could convince to watch the whole thing.
>>150214272funded by the people who watch adult swim
>>150214272I bet you believe the MK Ultra Girls pilot was real too
>>150214995>going for they/them pussy 10 years his junior he was asking for it
>>150214683>So Pan, are there dogs you can fuck?
>>150214023>this concept is just far too nicheIt's Pokemon/Yugioh/Digimon with more design philosophies per animation style"Person who wants to make it big in their field" is such an easy core premise anyone would understand the plot
>>1502139631M off of clout and word of mouth
>>150213828I want to be there in the Pan Man's corner. I really do. But I feel like it's just not engaging enough, at least from what I remember seeing of the pilot when he streamed it:>The story/writing/general scenario wasn't all that interesting>Pan voices himself and it's super distracting>The presentation in general feels way too much like one of his reviews, which makes it feel like he is an artistic one-trick-ponyIt's tough because I like Pan's channel and hope for his success but I can't see this going anywhere. When I think "Who is this for? Who will earnestly fall deeply in love with Loki IRL and make fanfics, fanart, etc. to stay in the world?", well... no target audience comes to mind. I can see pity views from fans, sure. But ultimately this pilot is gonna come and go like the LS Mark one. Unloved.
>>150213828>The writer's barely disguised toon fetish I'm only going to watch this out of curiosity and laugh at Pan for not keeping his fetishes to himself.
>>150215052>Pan really needed to plan this shit out in his webcomic though, he'd save himself a lot of headaches.Pan? Thinking things through? Lol
>>150214995At some point, you have to feel sorry for Pan.>your three best friends are a pedophile, a mentally ill troon, and a guy with family (something you still don't have)>second attempt at podcastt instantly fails due to your co-host being a retard>third attempt doesn't even take off past channel profile>YT keeps fucking you and paying you less due to system changes>can't even make streaming game a part time job due to your animation project>embarass yourself infront of animation legends due to being an insecure fucktard, killing any shot at making it in the industry>said animation project will likely be a flop due to the new allgorithim not pushing it to peopleI've watched the guy since his inception and followed his content for over a decade. Seeing him constantly fail honestly hurts
This show is forever fucked because Pan will never change the way the humans look. He just won’t. He’s an autismo who has to cling to “muh style” and can’t get out of his own head to see things through another person’s point of view.The premise of “humans and toons colliding” relies on what you see visually, and when the ‘normal humans’ are presented in a wacky and toony artstyle they end up looking no different from the things they’re supposed to be opposites of, which are the toons.If he gets brought on by a studio (which he won’t) the first thing he’ll be asked to change is the humans so that they look more grounded. That way you can understand the premise of the show just by looking at it, anyone human with eyes immediately gets it and is onboard.
>>150213828>Entire premise is built on different artists having different styles and mediums>Don't hire different artists to design these charactersPan just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi artists like Araki have when designing esoteric battle avatars. A stand is like a tailored Armani suit where anyone looks cool or classy with one, but IRLs are exclusively short stack pan OCs. It's like any pokemon could be someones favorite but you have to like Pans style at all to like any of these things.
>>150214718I liked fixed more, but i thought both were fairly good. Honestly what put fixed above loki irl to me is mostly just stuff like voice acting and conpleteness, the version he screened at momocon still had very conceptual level animation on some of the bigger action scenes so I might think differently of the finished pilot, but the voice acting was pretty weak and that won't change. I don't see the show continuing beyond a pilot, it doesnt feel like it can catch the audience a pilot like this needs to and it was full of animation industry commentary, which i dont think will appeal to most people. It's a shame, i didn't recognize him until after but later in the con pan stopped me to talk about my halo head sweater and he was really friendly and genuine. I hope it gets some love because there was a lot to like about it and i would hate to see that effort not get the attention it deserves.
Really bad trailer honestly. I have no reason to want Pan to not have success with this but this gives you no good first look at the characters and why you should care about them. VERY odd choice to voice one of the characters and also do a voice-over explaining what the show is, I couldn't even tell when the Loki character was speaking or if it was Pan himself.>>150214718>>150214854No, you're stupid.
>>150215415Agreed, he doesn't have the skillset that Araki has/developed to make good use of his setting's power system or his characters really.Even the lamest or obscure Jojo concepts have a ton of background information to them, even if it's is usually bizarre.This premise could have been both fun and interesting but it's gonna a mess In afraid.
>>150214187>>150214023>>150214427Why do you zoomers act older than you are and like such know it alls while knowing nothing at all?>nicheHence in point, you're a know nothing. You never watched Pokemon and YuGiOh as a child so you wouldn't know jackshit about this style of cartoon.
>>150215397>The premise of “humans and toons colliding” relies on what you see visually, and when the ‘normal humans’ are presented in a wacky and toony artstyle they end up looking no different from the things they’re supposed to be opposites of, which are the toons.At this point he's so deep in his style I'm not sure he'd ever be able to pull it off unless he gets other animators to just add their own styles (which seems like the case for that one Gumby knockoff character). You'd think he'd learn something from Kappa Mikey (or even fucking Drawn Together)
>>150215571Hi, PanGood luck on your pilot
>>150215143what WAS the point of that?
https://x.com/RebelTaxi/status/1964036071609573562>$15k budget>30 mins longAt least it still cost less than most indieshit
>>150215575HAS-BEENS, UP-AND-DOWNSMIKEY’S COME TO TOWN
>>150215714pan created this for engagement, thats all
>>150215714why, my peanus weenus of course!hahah! :)it’s my weeeeenus peanus! hahah :Dwhat WAS the point of that? - the answer is, of course, my peenus weanus ;Dhahah!
>>150215143Im so certain it was cause clout is so powerful, then some executive mustive been like “wait a fucking minute this art is red hot ass even for 2010s cartoon art standards and we wont able to sell this at all.” Remember the reach Pan used to have, like writing an article for Playboy of all things and all the industry connections he had.
>>150215415What's worse he tries to tout the limited animation aspect like that's supposed to be a appealing in a premise with lots of fighting
>>150215783He’d be nobody if he wasnt such a savant when it comes to editing
>>150213963Depends on if it's watchable or a total mess. That artstyle means he isn't going to get random clicks from kids either.
>>150214995Wasn’t pan dating mango when he was already out as a tboy?
>>150216048he was, there's even an extremely cursed pic of pan next to mango at some college rally with her chopped up titties out
>>150215571>like such know it alls while knowing nothing at allProbably bait but I'd really like to see you explain why we're wrong.So many of these YouTubers make "Pilots" and spend years and thousands of dollars to do so only for it not to pan out into anything more. I lived through.There's a reason shit like Eddsworld actually has an active fanbase and Long Gone Gulch doesn't. They made more than one episode.
>>150214995he's actually grateful to her because she literally pulled him out into the world and introduced him to people outside the internet. He talked about it on stream and in his last video he said that the internet doesn't really matter for him that much now
>>150215714>>150215143Its funny so many people thought this was real. It feels like something only HE would make. There's no chance in hell that if WB wanted to put money into an MK series, they would make it only about the girls and have a YouTuber design the entire thing. It just would not happen.
>>150216144>he's actually grateful to her because she literally pulled him out into the world and introduced him to people outside the internetgod i wish that were me
>>150215192the more I hear about relationships between people in their 20s and 30s the more i start to think it isn’t as uncommon as it seems
>>150216164>people continue to deny pan claims just because of it sounding fake as fuckgrim
>>150216144>he said that the internet doesn't really matter for him that much nowthis is his job....
>>150213828>"worked" on this shit for years>looks worse than amateur flash animation done by teenagersI hope Pan never lives this down and leaves the internet forever.
>>150213828>concept is literally just an OCT in cartoon form>instead of having the characters fighting over something specific or having some kind of framing device, it's just about social media, wanting to be popular, and getting cancelled>has nothing to actually say about any of those topics, nor art, nor creativity, nor the highly specific and interesting ways that artists express themselves through their OCs and fan characters>doesn't even actually seem aware of what people get out of making an OC in the first place>he's been workshopping this shit for decades and it's the most watered down, vapid, pointless combination of monster battling, contemporary hipster drama, and some vague, but clearly not properly explored riff on tournament fighter anime tropes
>>150216112What also helps Eddsworld continue to have an audience while LGG came and went is because back in the 2000's the idea of your webcartoon becoming a fully fledged series was a near pipe dream so guys like Edd Gould made their cartoons for fun with their friendsNow in the modern era where we know a well received webseries can get picked up for a Netflix/Amazon deal there's a bigger incentive to take a mortgage out on your house to produce something close to industry-tier and then hope it actually gets picked up. Then when it doesn't you can't afford to continue the series because you employed too many assistance on animation and background and your Voice actors are professionals or guys who aren't by Guild standards but still get work regardless on a side not I think the BBC offered to take up Eddsworld as a Television show but Edd declined
>>150216347>who actually makes Comics and CartoonsThen this is on topic
are we not discussing a Cartoon someone made, you dingus?
>>150216347ywnbaj
>>150216144Got a link to the stream?
>>150216447oh no, but it was the old one, like 10 streams ago. Maybe some anons give you a link
>>150216380pan's antics have more substance than the actual pilot
>>150213828>said "gooners have low standards" in reference to people liking Kitty Katswell in last stream >has edited XJ9 porn in his videos before Stupid hypocrite looking to jump on trends.
>>150215571yugioh and pokemon had toys and games to fall back on. alongside fun likeable protagonists like a boy possessed by an egyptian pharoah or an electric shooting rat. this show stars a fat emo girl and a green mexican man. its over.
>>150216684I like Pan, but I'll never forget that crisis he had when people started to get on his case about his lust for Raven since the version from the CN cartoon isn't a adult but also wanted to obviously criticize people like Bruce Timm for his pictures of the Eva girls who are 14.
>>150216180It's not uncommon, men in their 30s tend to have money/stability that women in their 20s are attracted to. Mid 20's woman/early 30's man is a pretty unremarkable pairing offline.
>>150216797Let's not pretend there isn't a group of people willing to follow a show about a fat emo girl
>>150216909> when people started to get on his case about his lust for Raven since the version from the CN cartoon isn't a adult Also including Gaz in his goth fetish video
>>150213963A billion-trillion-bi-billion views
>>150214087Most of these pilots are made by 13 year olds or millennials hiring real artists to draw their shit for them.
>>150214527Catching Up was horrible. Who was that for anyway? Millennials? Zoomers?
>>150217518Or how in one of his "Modern cartoon vids" he had to shut down peoples obvious idea of him liking the goth Loud House girl.
>>150213828Finally i see Blanca in motion
>>150214092After Genndy put out Dog Testicles: The Movie, I don’t think anyone here takes his opinions seriously anymore
>>150215575Mitsuki was pure sex, I don't give a fuck what Lilyfags have to say.
As much goodwill I have Pan, I think I'd rather have him continue making Loki IRL on his own rather than clearly hoping to be picked up by some sort of network. Both because doing the former can help him grow as an artist but because being picked up by a network means it can be restrictive in some way.Plus let's be real what happened with Hazbin and to some aspect TADC are 1 in a million chance deals
>Pan getting shit doneDid he finally ditch that annoying tranny?
>>150216144And now Mango's fucking tons of guys in Ukraine (she's tweeted about it) and Pan doesn't seem any different
>>150217948Nope
>>150213828I hope that once this gets out it exorcises his demons and he gets on with his life.
>>150216144> she literally pulled him out into the worldWeird, all he posts about is them visiting some abandoned buildings, which sounds more depressing than interesting. Plus he had con meet ups with the podcast regulars every year.
>>150216144ahaha funny story about thative hung out with the two of them at cons when they were still together and pan seemed miserable while mango kept stringing him along making all the decisions and talking over him a lot apparently she fucked one of their mutual friends behind his back while he was at a panel too. i wasnt at that specific con and im going entirely off what my friends told me but that is undeniably something mango would do
>>150213828>You can tell which one IRL Art and which is Human!I can’t. Both the humans and much of the IRLs have the same artsyle.
>>150214087>But it says something that an untalented person with crazy persistence will get farther than any genius who just sits there and stews without creating anything.I think about this a lot, I have the talent (can write, draw, compose, act, edit) to create something but don't have the drive or motivation to actually make something to share with everybody else. I just make projects for myself, but I think of stuff like Sonichu and how Chris DID actually get something released into the world, quality be damned.
>>150216953is the opposite less common then? late 20s/early 30s woman and early 20s men? asking for a friend
>>150218389Hagmaxxing is popular among zoomers, yes. It's weird zoomers won't date each other but they have no problem going for older men/women.
>>150213963200k, maybe even 1m if pan is super lucky
>>150214995Never trust art hoes and libtard women
>>150216144As someone who actually has a social life, it’s definitely better to be around real people that you like and care about. The problem though is that it’s super hard to actually do
>>150213828>it's another OP refuses to post the youtube link threadandd hidden
>>150218589It's not actually out yet, but here's the trailerhttps://youtu.be/_NUke76oJXU
>>150216909> criticize people like Bruce Timm for his pictures of the Eva girls who are 14.Kek, Bruce has been drawing supergirl and Babs like that since forever and they’re also teens. Plus the original Eva show drew them in a sexy way as well
>>150218533>implying trusting “rw” women is any betterLMAO
>>150213963Does anyone *genuinely* expect this to be any good... like at all?
>>150218036Urban Exploration is nothing to scoff at, anon
>>150218099I mean I’d assume Pan gets off to getting cucked
>>150213963Pan's view count has been dropping for a while and I honestly believe the indie bubble is slowly deflating. 100-300k max. Could very well top out at 90k. He will not recoup the 15,000 he spent. No episode 2 unless he lowers the scope substantially (which is ideal, as this pilot is half an hour long)
>>150219285>He won't recoup the 15k he spentYeah no kidding.This nigger can't even afford vet care for his cathttps://x.com/RebelTaxi/status/1964098650608386346I swear every eceleb is setting up a gofuckme now. The recession is real
>>150218669This was back when Tumblr let you post porn and was the rise of everyone trying to cause moral panic.Plus people have issue with the show itself doing that too. There was a whole sect of people who were convinced that the moral of End of Evangelion was to call people who liked fancservice shitty, which is ironic cause Anno the director liked shit like Strike Witches. A anime where all the characters are lolis who are showing off their panties all the time
>>150213828SoWhat are the odds of it getting picked up?
>>150220694Not likely, but I hope he's happy he tried. Maybe he can find some sort of outlet to continue if it doesn't get picked up, like a web comic....oh wait.
Reminder that Daftpina was a "creative consultant" on pan's pilot.Here is Daft's workhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcvW5a7wJxM
>>150213963High chances it might beat Wastelandia
>>150220694>What are the odds of it getting picked up?If the coomers on /co/ haven't latched on to any of the characters it's dead on arrival. Most people will tell you vivziepop shows are trash but nobody can deny she hit a couple homeruns with certain characters.The problem Pan has is he has a tainted impression on how appealing his original ideas are because he built his audience around well edited commentary videos. It's the embodiment of "consuming alot of media is not the same as creativity".
>>150221452>latched on to any of the charactersAh, the HGS method, even though that failed and only lived on through leads and threads on /co/
>>150221235Do you think he's still gonna be given a role in the credits? It's been years. I know Pan isn't as vocal about it anymore.
>>150221235I know it gets said a lot, but this was genuinely the longest 15 minutes I've ever had to sit through.
>>150221452>nobody can deny she hit a couple homeruns with certain characters.that is such a pretentiously glazy way to say "furries like furry characters" and "twitter continues to like the age old deviantart/tumblr era style of characters."
>>150215396The thing with Pan is that he's pretty incompetent and oblivious to social cues (ignoring friends/doing new projects without telling them, fumbling important pitches, making friends with new people who are obviously bad news), but he's never outright malicious. It's hard to feel mad at him for whatever shit people give him even if you know he kinda put himself in that situation. I do think he's (slowly) learning more, his romantic relationship with Mango ended but for the first time it seems like they're still on good terms (compared to his other exes and even his friends). From what it sounds like in >>150216144, he's finally touching grass.
>>150222515He's like James Rolfe, but self-deprecating instead of egotistical.
>>150216144>he said that the Internet doesn't really matter for him that much nowSource?
>>150214421This pic made me realize something...Loki IRL isn't Pokemon or Yugioh. It wants to be Zatch Bell so fucking bad.And after reading the manga let me tell ya: Pan doesn't have what it takes to make something as enjoyable as Zatch Bell.
>>150223385You know whos got the powerhttps://youtu.be/o1lww0amysg
>>150213828Is it just me or has Pan not changed at all?
>>150223692His art, or his personality?
>>150223738god what an ugly character. You just know he was assuming she'd be popular.
>>150223738His personality
>>150213828Do you think it'll get picked up by a company? https://x.com/PanPizzaArt/status/1964006913013592355
>>150214023Too niche? If anything the concept is too broad and lacks any sort of polish. It's a huge problem when your concept is about humans and cartoons existing together but you can't fucking tell them apart half the time.
>>150216208Considering there's zero proof the thing actually existed it's hard to take a "leak" that sounds that absurd at face value.
>>150223970The giveaway to me was how everyone of the "screenshots" are drawn as if they we're meant to be still images instead of actually caught moving images, basically colored animatics.It's the equivalent of those old fake Sonic X screenshots
>>150215396>your three best friends are a pedophilewut?
>>150224078He's talking about Nolan, he got caught in a scandal for commissioning lewd art by minors. Not that minors were in the art but that the commissioners were minors or something.
>>150224181I'll never forget the day they showed up in Atlanta. I remember telling my little cousin that the tranny was the worst one. Nolan on the other hand looked like a scary dude when he had his head shaved.
>>150217934Starting your series with a comic is what Lackadaisy is doing, it has the clear advantage of giving you all the guidelines for how the story should progress and be translated when it animated.Anime and comics do that shit all the time.>Plus let's be real what happened with Hazbin and to some aspect TADC are 1 in a million chance dealsAgreed.Death is the rule, survival is the exception.Both of those series had a lot of hands and planning in deck, Pan does not have the resources or skillset to turn his Pilot into anything worthwhile at this stage.It's not easy to sell his concept to companies without interest and merchandising.I mean he said he made the whole thing using an old ass laptop, a tablet and he used rotoscope.I know it's not just the style he's going for, he needs to work like this because there's no other option.Still gonna watch it though, still curious.
>>150220694I don't know, but Pan should've just pulled a Real Steel and have a thing where people create IRLs to fight each other as a sport, basically cartoon characters boxing to the death for money and fame, and the more famous an IRL gets the stronger it becomes or some shit like that.Or did he already did something like that, why do the IRLs even fight.
>>150224217IIRC, some anon went to art school with him. He said he had a naturally loud voice and only talked about Sonic.
>>150223774He has mellowed out with age but sadly he is to autistic to grow very quickly.
>>150223668For a second I thought this would be folgore song.
>>150224498Yeah I can see that, it might have been Pan's podcast but Nolan pretty much called the shots due to Pan being so aloof. I remember prior to Nolan's bailing out, Nolan got so sick of people insinuating that.
>>150224498>>150224616So he's a bigger, gayer Spazkid?
>>150224181>>150224078https://youtu.be/XrzcZTw50yI
>>150224823The fact he sounds exactly what he looks like is hilarious to me, holy shit.
pan made loki irl an animated pilot so he could get porn of his ocs.
>>150224958The characters don't have the looks nor the personalities to get that kind of attention
>>150224823I haven't heard his voice in a long time. Dude was actually a good foil to Pan at their peak now that I think about it.
>>150225061The early podcasts with Ken and Nolan were so comfy. They had that amateur charm to them, just a bunch of awkward nerds talking about cartoons. And yeah Nolan and Ken were good at keeping Pan in check and challenging his autismo when they needed to
>>150224217>I remember telling my little cousin that the tranny was the worst oneThey were all pretty bad. Izzy was an industry snob who only pointed out others flaws. Nolan was an obnoxious homo who got off on Pan's humiliation fetish. Jim was a bore and lowkey snob in his own right. Pan was... Pan. Some of the most horrendous guests, too.God, I miss that podcast.
>>150225198>Jim was a bore and lowkey snob in his own rightJim would have interesting stuff to talk about in regards to the production side of tv but occasionally he'd have a shitty ass take I'd disagree with.
>>150224767yes
>>150223738Even though I lost the respect I once had for Pan I still like his art. Wavebird looked alot better before the redesign in anycase. I recognize the Johnen Vazquez look might not do it for some though.
>>150224972What about Bianca
>>150224075I'm still convinced it's a real low quality pilot. CN/WB has plenty of these that are unreleased, including one that literally has no mention of it anywhere online that was leaked here last year in full. I tried spending the last 15-ish minutes trying to find it in the archives but I couldn't
>>150225625never mind I found it againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEet6WYwYSU
>>150215238yeah but what drives the OC to become stronger? what's the goal? does its power gets influenced by the attention it grabs? does technique applies into their fighting method? Is there room for "power ups" by improving style or redesign?I am a fool for monster fighting on your place and the whole friendship is power thing but like, what else?Pokemon was easy, even the game explains it in simple world, these exist and they fight but you get the implication that trainers must exist in order to control pokemon from going wild in populated areasYGO is a card game that got too popular worldwide but its roots come from ancient times and more dangerous with items that protects you from going too deepDigimon are virtual pets that require attention and in return they defend you but also being chosen by one means you unwillingly become part of this fight for the greater good hence why you need to take good care of your monster and bonding is key.I want to see that in LokiIRL but all im getting is>heh, this is a reference of that meme shirt, LMAO!
>>150225625i'm more inclined to believe that this was already a trashed project but needed the right amount of attention and content so people would get this as result instead of the actual MK Ultra experiment
>>150225895There is a core that the two attempts at a comic established and it can lead to a strong hook if used right>Girl wants to be a professional animator>Is shit>Finds Loki in a drafts collection with no owner>Takes Loki for her own>A worldwide tournament starts where the winner gets to showrun their own cartoon>Animators can support their IRLs via an ink supply>Girl uses Loki in the tournament to try and achieve her dream>Loki has a power where the more attention on him the stronger but more unstable he becomes>Also a cult might be involvedHow much of that exists in the pilot I don't know but the basis for something is there, its just up to Pan to see that potential. But also its Pan...Everything else your concerned about typically doesn't get show or elaborated on till later on into a series.
>>150213828It seems borderline okay. I still don't really get where all of the battle parts come in and it is a bit of a visual mess but I do appreciate what it is going for. I'll give it a watch.>>150214023Like other people are saying this isn't that niche a concept. It is just a monster battler. The concept was done almost 1:1 by a PS2 game called Magic Pengel for example.The issue is more that Pan seemingly has no idea where to take the plot and has been too focused on autistic worldbuilding.>>150215714These designs were so odd for what was supposed to be a licensed tie-in. I don't even know who most of these girls are supposed to be. Like the blonde is obviously Cassie or Sonia and Mileena and Jade are fairly obvious but I couldn't tell you which of the blue girls is supposed to be Kitana or who the red chicks are.Even a hoax should have made an effort to make them look a bit like the characters they were based on if it wanted to be believable.
>>150213828This is just ballmastrz but ugly
>>150216144Still leagues ahead of me. I'm pretty close to his age and work for a living instead of drawing cartoons like I wanted to doShould I neck now?
>>150226404Blonde is Cassie and to the right of the logo is JaqquiThen on the top left I think it's>Scarlet, Frost, Sheevaand top right is>Jade, Mileena, Kitana
>>150225198>>150225247ken leaving was the beginning of the end
>>150225895Then I'd suggest watching the pilot for when it comes out because otherwise your complaints would be going off the multiple-times-reworked comic that he's probably reworked one more time for the pilot
>>150226647And not crazy enough.
>>150215765I'll never get tired of peanus weenus
>>150220694Scientifically close to zero.The possibility was only slightly higher by decimal points when he pitched the cartoon to CN executives.But since then the market for cartoons pitches from newbies to the scene has completely dried up.MAYBE this could have been sold to 1999 MTV.Tell me if you think this can be pitched to a TV executive.PG-13 Cartoon.From a stranger with no proven record.Featuring characters without universal appeal, dated to like 2005 highschool sketchbook.Pushing an artstyle that is impractical to animate.Tied to a "showrunner" that has never worked in the industry and has trouble interacting with people.
I have to know since I don't follow dramas and this is the only thread I can ask. Did Pan ever have a daughter?I remember in one of his lets plays, the Neopet one, I believe, he brought one of his exes, and they talked about how they had a daughter and left her at a supermarket. The entire time, Pan is cracking jokes and being his awkward self, so I couldn't tell if he was serious or not. So did he actually have a daughter and abandoned?
>>150226404>I don't even know who most of these girls are supposed to be
>>150224823>I, I, I, I, I >me, me, me, me, me I hate therapy so fucking much.
>>150226696Nah, it's better be alone, than with friends more like parasites like Mango. I even doubt that Pan has friends. Okay, I'm lying, I remembered that there was a girl on one stream, she was older than him and married, Pan said that they had been chit-chat with each other for a long time. And judging by his voice he was upset that she already had a husband.
>>150227593The daughter thing was a bit that pan being pan dragged out way to long.
>>150227593some of you guys fall for Pan's kayfabe way too hard. like sure, he is a pathetic loser, but he plays it up as a character x100 online for some reason (probably to feed into his humiliation kink) people love bringing up the Ruby Gloom let's play, but well, he willingly recorded and posted that on his channel himself. if he didn't want it out there, he wouldn't have posted it. point is, Pan makes up a ton of weird bs and loves making himself seem even more pathetic than he actually is
>>150215714>what WAS the point of that?Pan was fixated on lost media and wanted to have something to call his at the time. He has talked about it in past videos on lost media in how fucking dreamt of finding a lost pilot. But because he was an autist who lived in a mancave he couldn't have that, so instead he tried to fake a pilot to call his. But because Pan is an autist he failed to consider how much of a crutch is artstyle and how much it showed through with his fake pilot. As soon as people saw through it he scrapped it and tried to write it off as a ARG thing when in reality he was trying to do make believe with his autistic passion of lost media and was hoping people would bite. That's the problem with Pan, he does not think things through. He messed up the same way when he didn't think through the motiviations of his characters during the adult swim pitch when pressed on it. He figured everything else out but not something as critically important as that for the story.
>>150227795There is a lot of things Pan makes up, but the Ruby Gloom story I doubt is one of those. The fucker is choking up in video. You can tell when he is kayfabing it as he makes it very obvious half the time.
>>150227900not saying the story is made up, but i'm tired of people bringing it up every time as some sort of "gotcha" as if he didn't record and post that himself in the first place.
>>150213828Gendo secretly wants it to happen.
>>150227910I get what you saying anon, but whether you post a video of you shitting yourself or another person posts a video of you shitting yourself does not change the fact you shitted yourself. Regardless of the instances where Pan tries to play into his pathetic aesthetic he genuinely is a meek and pathetic guy socially. When you take him out of a video production setting he is consistent in how he acts. He's an autist, that's where half of it comes from. You can't be that dedicated to the kayfabe to maintain that professionaly and in casual settings.
>>150225895I saw the pilot preview showcase during one of Pan's streams, there's multiple avenues of strength for IRLs. There is a level of raw level of strength an IRL has but there's also a clear connection with their artist and their level of skill within their medium, IIRC Loki himself has some kind of weird crystal in his body that gives him a power boost but makes him an uncontrollable berserker, it's not a natural part of him but some artifact/tech thing that they either found or got off the Internet.
>>150213828Man that artsyle change is hard to digest.
>>150221235oh god, what a pro
>>150228013The irony is his early LokiIRL webcomic looked far better and expressive than what he has now. I unironically read it back when his channel was blowing up and I think if actually kept at it he would have got a following due to the aesthetic niché it fills. I dare say I even kinda liked it for what it was.
>>150224958The Toby Fox method, classic
>t.
>>150228013>>150228164The biggest crime is him making Loki into a more blatant self insert over time.
>>150214087>But it says something that an untalented person with crazy persistence will get farther than any genius who just sits there and stews without creating anything.Not really. The genius just accepts that his art won't make his life any easier, while the untalented one doesn't care.
>>150213828Isn't releasing a pilot on New Year's a bad idea?LOTS of other things will be trending for the new year instead of this.
>>150213828I wonder if humans can bone the cartoons in this show?
>>150214092Could anyone forget?
>>150228299That was some fake-out joke, it's actually releasing in a few hours today
>>150228442The fuck? Really?
>>150215714Boy Pan's artstyle is so fucking cringe
>>150228299That's a fake out date since it suddenly says saturday (which if you check the calender 2026 new year eve is on a thursday and 2027 new year day is on a friday
>>150228442>>150228465Releasing a trailer right before the pilot AND with the wrong date on it on purpose is all sorts of retarded.First, you give zero change for the trailer to gain any traction on its lonesome.Second, the wrong date will make some people really think the pilot will be out in December.That turns the trailer into a huge waste of time to make.
>>150228557>That turns the trailer into a huge waste of time to make.Nothing changes then?
>>150220694Remember that AS shitpost show about cartoons going through a weird apocalypse?Piffy or pibby or some shit like that. Remember how it never went anywhere after the original short because the creator was a massive fucking autist?That shit had a much better chance to go ahead than Pan's shitty Sonichu ripoff. But if by destiny's cruel sense of humor it gets picked up, it won't go anywhere either precisely because of Pan's autism.
>>150213828I miss when he was just smartass 20 something doing quick cartoon reviews.before he leaned into the loser thing..crazy I've followed this guy since he had a blogspot.
>>150228458He tries too hard to make it simple to the point it becomes almost nonsensical.
>>150214023I thought this was just supposed to be a world where your drawings come to life and you make them fight. The implications that said drawings stick around and can apparently lead their own lives complicates things. He either should've kept the living cartoons inside the battle arenas to keep things simple or focus on how being able to spontaneously create new life has an effect on society. Like a fucked up version of Fosters or something.
>>150216180>>150216953Ask your grandma, they eventually seperated and remarried to other people but my grandfather and my grandmother met when he was 30 and she was like... 18 or 19.
>>150228188This and Bianca's design show he's got no concept of visual language.
>>150216180As anons have already said it's not that uncommon at all. 20s dating 30s is not that strange to see and it is only when it is 20s dating 40s that eyebrows are raised. But even then it's more so the idea that it is likely a transactional relationship with an older man or woman rather than the age gap itself being the concern, it's archetype relationship that sometimes falls into it. You don't really see that stigma or archetype with 20s dating 30s however and they are close enough in life experience to still relate to one another.
>>150215052>>150228188>>150228299>>150228442>>150228446Reminder that Pan abandoned his webcomic 10 years ago and just barely made this over the course of over 2 years when the desperation hit. I really wished that he just kept up this, the podcast and occasional videos on toons and kept his fan base hype. Instead of on and off video game reviews. I've really lost respect for him over the years as it was obvious his character REALLY wasn't a joke and he really was a Doug Walker type without the work flow. Without Nolan as a scape goat this was obvious. Hope that once he gets a good 100k views for the pilot he's happy goes back to reviewing mid Netflix toons and going to Comic con. Maybe a TADC review once it's done
>>150229701I stopped keeping track of him a while back but now I have saw the state his channel is in now I have lost all investment I once had for his work. It sucks as I used to listen and watch his stuff while grinding vidya back in the day and some of the music choices he used for his videos was really unique. I even downloaded some of the albums from the musicans he featured a lot. He was a video editor first and a content creator second I personally think, that's his actual artistic strength.
If Wavebird isn't cute my impression will be ruined. I already know that it's going to be cringe, he made Milky Mint tumblrcore and Moodygurl probably got cut. The redesigns are calarts style meets the noods from CN 2008 but, at least give me cute Gamer girl. He's probably gonna give her leg hair again
>>150213828Did this guy ruin his podcast by flooding it with pedophiles and trying to fuck a tranny who guesstared on it? Bro is cooked forever. Surpised he doesnt work at an amazon factory yet.
>>150229775>If Wavebird isn't cute my impression will be ruinedYou haven't seen the new design? Oh no...
>>150213828I like the concept. It also looks better than most modern cartoons ive seen. The main character design is kinda bland and unmarketable though but at this point I guess its to late to fuck with it. I hope for the best but I dont see this cracking a high view count. Pan really lost alot of his audience over the years.
>>150229802how bad is it anon? give it to me straight...
>>150229763Exactly. There was a decade long sweet spot where there were weekly Tuesdays of Pan and the podcast, a Wednesday Nostalgia Critic free on yt. It made the 2010's so much easier to get through even when the animation industry was rough. Now it feels like right when a non grifty, G4 harkening era, unpolitical voice was needed in a prime age of edgy animated pilots he gave up. At least it was for his own idea. But, with all the changes it really feels like he missed the mark and made a "network safe" pitch at a time when breaking the ceiling for what's possible with in indie pilot is the charm of most. I just hope it isn't too safe with limits that make sense beyond Pan just not wanting to seem like a perv and still wanting to work in the industry
>>150229811He's almost a full decade too late with it. Maybe it will garner some attention but he really dragged his feet.>>150229763/threadHis never videos really give off the sense he's just spinning his wheels. In alot of ways I see his fate mirroring IWillPress'. Just sticking to the content grind forever and ever.
he got to sit at his parent's house making youtube videos well until he was 30guy had all the time in the world, and he squandered it
>>150229784Worse. His podcast mate transitioned mid podcast but, was also his big connection to industry people. But, after his podcast manager self exiled from the internet after commissioning a minor for fetish content he dismantled the podcast.He got Daft Pina to fire all his friends for him then made a "podcast" with him Daft Pina and Jake neutron that lasted 5 episodes. Needless to say they aren't friends anymore. Jim was mad he was abandoned but, has a wife and kid now so happy ending. Then he started working on this pilot
>>150229863Losing Jim, Nolan, AND Ken in the span of 5 years was horrendous. Christ what some guys wont do for a crumb of pussy.
>>150229846He inspired me to start an awesome collection of figures and books at least. Was fun for a bit. Glad I stopped at a certain point. His vids were great for drawing background noise when they were about things I actually knew about
>>150229872In his defense, Nolan and Ken were his tard ranglers for far too long. They literally abandoned him and when they did it sadly proved he has learned nothing about social interaction online. Even Chris Chan when they were abandoned by Null somehow actually lives a life at a crib with a post-jail girlfriend and gets money by drawing their own OC's for fans. What are you doing with your art career, modern man?
>>150229701>Instead of on and off video game reviews.I honestly really like his "weird and colorful" game videos. I've found some really great games through those.
where is it
>>150229828
>>150213828Kind of a nitpick but I really don't like that the summons are called "Irl Art", the name feels clunky(Eye-R-eL Rt) and just calling them IRLs will be confusing; I can't see people/fans getting on that.The multi-media approach is cool, but I also feel that the "human" cast looks too cartoony to really differentiate from the "IRLs". I don't know much about this cartoontuber other than that AS pitch, so hopefully he was able to figure what his cartoon is about.
>>150229932As someone who doesn't play videogames and only consumes free media and cartoons I will give credit that they gave me some good artist recommendations but, if I don't like how long they are. Feels bloated. His humor works for 10-20 minutes but, 40 minutes of back to back segments feels like he could have just made multiple videos, spaced them out and gotten tons more ad money that could have gotten way more money for his pilot with the same amount of work. Again, he didn't think this through
>>150229980>I don't like how long they are.Yeah, I agree with you there. I get why some of them are so long, but when some of the games he talks about are boring, it really drags the whole thing down.
>>150229963The humans are mostly mix breeds with cartoons so it makes sense but, are there even pure humans in this world? How recent did this tech stuff start? Could a pure white person be the ultimate villain? These are topics I hope are discussed
it's 30 minutes past 7am central timewhat happened?
Nevar4geet
>>150230062a. he meant 8am. b. he barely pressed the upload button nowWhich one you wanna bet?
>>150230009>most humans are mixed breedsThat really complicates the setting of what I presume is a mon-show. Is that a major theme in the story?
>>150213828Do kids still make OCs and use then to compete for popularity on the internet? I feel like this setting is just a story about a specific problem and neurosis the writer has had for 20 years, that he’s been fighting for attention using had drawings for ages, not something thats common to anyone.
>>150213828Cap
>>150230088where'ed he draw that?
>>150230088He should know his place
>>150229938God he whittled away so much of the charm of his earlier art. It's like an all crust sandwich.
>>150229932Those feel like really long ads I don’t get it. Even if I played games I don’t think I would care.
>>150229901The fact that Nolan, despite being an autistic sperg himself, managed to exact better self control over Pan than Pan on his own ever could really is something to behold. As for Chris, the guy's got more lives than a cat. Somehow the cunt always finds a good break. Maybe it's divine intervention at this point.
>>150230088271 E Orange Grove AveBurbank, CA 91502
>>150214421And the art fucking sucks, Pan cant draw or design, everything is hidden behind a shortcut or bad trick he thinks he thinks we cant see, every character duo is just a needy depressed fat girl who represents his girlfriend (who he consistently writes as a self-insulting failing artist) and his self-insert who’s job is to agree she’s a failure but forgive her and act like only his kind words and them being a couple fixes this. In short, would he please stop negging fat girls by reiterating and insisting they’re total losers who must stay with him because his hugs and unmoving words of support SURELY are the only thing keeping them going?
We got a full Lokiirl indie pilot before Zone dropped the Dominator animation. Honestly that dropping too would fill such a catharsis checklist for me I'm not kidding
Is it still canon that you can fuck the cartoons?
>>150230221This honestly. For a guy who racks up tons of art inspo it's baffling he doesn't pick up the basics of shape language, structure, parallel line work for actual illustration posters. I know there's no youtube tutorial for art style but, that comes after basics. I've studied hundreds of artists online at the same time as Pan and it's easy to say he needs to pick a lane. Draw sexy or don't, pick a style with function, don't use shapes to construct characters then cover them in realistic fat. Part of his art style short comings are no doubt his mental health and pathetic sex escapades bleeding into his style. It's just a shame his art has to degrade in real time to reflect this and he can't just use his old designs which were better
>>150230062It's up. 31 minutes
https://youtu.be/gLVU2jHUBeI?si=7hc3K8EhzbLbk60u
not watching
>>150230330Kek I just remember them seething about this on the podcast >I can't believe this old man won't watch this shitty looking reboot
The only character he'll be remembered for is Emily
>>150230283Yep, well put. And its funny they keep breaking up with him after all this, because it seems both the show and his relationships are too forced into his loser mentality. Im not even saying that to bully him as a ‘loser’, because i dont even think he is one, he has like ten years of decent success and income running his own internet cartoon review show. Yet somehow every pilot/comic/short is dripping with a theme of failure and loserdom. Its not about him being a loser, its about that fucking pit you feel in your stomach when you enter his world. ‘Ugh, so we are in a world of way too many competing jerks, and we’re the biggest losers apparently, and we do it every day and get nowhere, and im either a fat chick with a beehive haircut and a manipulative loser boyfriend, or some anxious dumbass who has to convince his frumpy and reluctant girlfriend not to leave or kill herself every day. Perhaps this is Pan’s real world, but its nothing anyone wants to get involved in
his distribution if weight lines needs more work. he understands why they look cool but not how
>you can tell who an IRL is by their sketchy outlines and neon skin!aaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAUGH SHUT THE FUCK UP! SHUT THE FUCK UP!
>>150230460is this something he said? because that's shooting itself on the foot because it could be a potential twist for hyperrealism OCs u less he is being clever and wants us to believe tjere are no exception to the rule
>>150230490Its in OP’s linked pilot. Not only is it brutally stupid overexplaining, but the sketchiness is easily his worst effect when he’s basically saying ‘you may notice half my characters are unfinished amateur’s drawing’At least tell me he did the CGI
>>150230490And he already betrays his rule by showing so many CGI and multimedia non-sketch IRLs.Dude is just too proud of his second-grade-reading-level idea
>>150230505>At least tell me he did the CGIHighly doubt it since it's the best looking thing here for far.
Okay it got one laugh out of me.
>>150230310>30 minutesWhy
Really hope the pilot takes off so we can see more art of this hot bitch
You gotta be kidding me. 10 years no comic. Over 15 years and NO WAVEBIRD VOICE ACTOR??? AND it ends with a mysterious villain that wasn't explained in the comic that ALSO wasn't explained here??? The best parts of the pilot WEREN'T EVEN animated or written by Pan. Pan voices 3/4ths of the main friend group within the first minute like the podcast.We're in the exact same position we were in with the story before! This is like Smiling Friends level subtext but, not executed professionally. Why are IRL's autonomous but, are still controlled by pens sometimes? And what about the claymation and CGI ones? I really wanted to be proud but, I expected basic small things and was still disappointed
Its a fine pilot, clunky but fun. I say if he did all the 2d stuff, it would have been betterly consistent. Overall pretty neat art wise.
Pan's voice does not fit Loki>>150230354Who was seething about James not watching that shit movie?
>>150230600I think Pan shouldn't voice act at all. He works as a reviewer but when he tries to play a character i just want to cut my ears off
>>150230588Pan drew official lewds like a decade ago. Got some stuff of her on Tumblr. You should still be able to find it under "Catrina Gutierrez"
>>150230600>>150230630He's not a bad voice actor, I don't mind it, but it's distracting for sure.
>>150230659Might as well dump the collection since they might be lost media someday. It's official work
the fight montage is the best part, as well as his style of editing the fake websites
i heard rocco botte's voice
>>150230670>>150230703I fucking hate this
Anybody got bianca fan art?
>>150230760Yeah, after this dump
>>150230659Tbh this is like outdated since now she is a skinny latina and the skeleton is her irl.
>>150230774Looks like some fusion of Zone and Pan on the left
It dropped https://youtu.be/gLVU2jHUBeI
>>150230783The lewd art Pan used to get was tops. No idea why he left the Lokiirl thing at it's peak of interest
This is fanart
I don't have fanart of Bianca's current design because it was changed for the pilot, sorry
>>150230229It won’t live up to the hype
>>150230860Man Wavebird looks so much more appealing with a normal head.
>>150230283>I've studied hundreds of artists online at the same time as Pan and it's easy to say he needs to pick a lane. Go ahead and show your art then big boy. Or what, you study and don’t do anything with it? Because that’s sadder
>>150230594The white cloaked guy was in the comics and the other demon is that chick he always draws
>>150230900And he wasn't fleshed out their either. It went on hiatus before it could get to that
>>150230878A redesign thread would be fun
Overall, I like the design of the show. The animation is rough around the edges but I'll excuse it, Pan voicing 3 characters is kinda weird (especially since two of them are his fetish characters)But yeah, 6.5/10, needs more work, looks better than Catching Up which has over 3 million views for some reason.
>>150230887I only drew gay porn when I was active. I don't wanna be recognized for that now that I have fans who are cool
>>150230938He once drew her in OK KO style
>>150230942It was nice they were green and Bianca was white in certain lighting for a reference. He turned down Emily's cringe by 100% which was good
>>150230871Drat but still cute art you got.
>>150230310Finished watching this. I liked it!Def needs a lot of work still but its a good proof of concept. Biggest detractors for me was the fact that the entire show is VA'd by like 3 people but I can't really fault a nigga for that considering this was made on a budget of some pennies and pocket lint. The fights looked great whenever the budget allowed for it and the premise is simple enough for basically anyone to get. You draw an OC and they do OC fights. If the artist sketches to assist an attack its more powerful. Different artstyles/OC types have different strengths. It's just basically the same as Pokemon or Yugioh or whatever where there's no REAL reason that screaming at pikachu to attack extra hard matters but it's the heart of the cards and all that its cool and that's what matters. Overall that's my main takeaway with this: it's fucking cool! Pan's biggest strength was always the style and presentation he puts into his work and this allows him to show that off as much as possible. I did also genuinely laugh a couple times watching this which is better than Monkey Wrench managed during its initial pilot, so props there.I'll be sharing this where I can to try and help the NEET autist who made it out. Hope he does well but we'll see.
Best girl erasure...
Was the vitiligo announcer in the pilot, or was she added for brownie points?
>>150231094She was originally purple but, got changed to an avatar for a girl with vitiligo around 2020
>>150214023The concept would be less complicated if the drawings stuck to just being Stands rather than having their own autonomy, the exception being Lokii cuz MC privileges
>>150231104You can pin point the exact time when his art style inspo goes from Skullgirls to Steven Universe
>>150231104Damn. 2012 looks way better. 2015 just looks generic.
>>150231131This. Write in a line about how the gem gave him autonomy. Why can the other IRL's integrate into society but, still get used for chicken fights, forced labor and are breedable? This is why people always make fun of Pan saying you can fuck them
>>150231177also the whole "drawings come to life" is less interesting when all of them come from Pan himself rather than have a mix of different styles
How would u r8 the pilot?
>>150231195Gendy was really right when he said you need to tighten up that concept and Pan just didn't. It's just magic with rules that only work sometimes for the literal sake of conflict. I don't mind them all being from Pan's hand, because just animating a bunch of OC's wouldn't be available for a pitch, having to credit 50+ people and redesigning them all if it actually did get picked up
>>1502312366/10It's alright in terms of writing and animationFor the time it took and the money put in it turned out better than expected but nothing too out thereCertainly is the most unique indie pilot
>>150231236i dont remember anyones name or the plot beyond the last five minutes, but the fights are cool
>>1502312367I think it can be fun but it needs revision from someone better at writing.
>>1502312365/10
>>150231236 4/10How do you spend 2 decades reviewing cartoons and fall into every pitfall possible
>>1502312617. love the fights, don't like the exposition by the irls and human characters. maybe this information should be delivered in a similar way that KND would display information on their weird inventions anytime a new one would come on screen
>>1502312366/10. Obvious first time animator is obvious. Impressive but, rough obviously edited like one of his videos so the 30 minutes flew by even faster than Hazbin Hotel. Plot holes and slight frustration from the character actions because mysteries are left open. Obviously pitching a show which is nice, I'd like more but, that would take another 2 years for an ep or comic continuation which he probably wouldn't do. Better than what I could do. No Wavebird speaking role, genuine points deducted for that
>>150231236A broken marriage out of ten. All jokes aside i liked it but yeah there is things to work on.
>>1502312365 This is way too long for what it is. The attempts at drama (or trying to make the main character relatable) were not too engaging cause these characters are really 1 dimensional. A simpler 11 or even 15 minute pilot would've been fine.
Well that was a load of gobbledygook. Bunch of nonsense. You can tell how hyped up he was to have his little anime ass “one of action” catchphrase
>>150231236
>inb4 IF YOU'RE GONNA CRITIQUE IT, SHOW ME YOUR CARTOON is being a fan of Pan Pizza enough to criticize his pilot or do I need to have my own successful indie show?
>>150230883God what an awful artist
>>150231440As the old saying goes you don't have to be a master chef to know the toast is burnt but that also doesn't mean you know what burnt really is Everyone should criticize it based upon the creator's experience and budget
>>150231475>Everyone should criticize it based upon the creator's experience and budgetNothing excusing bad writing
>>150231525I mean yeahAs we've said for years pan needs someone else to write for himBut the writing for the pilot wasn't bad
>>150231354I was just waiting for Loki to have some kind of inspirational "look, if you don't do this you're going to fail at everything. And it won't be because you're not good enough, it will be because you didn't even try" kinda speech. It would have been poiniant to the narrative of this pilot. But, then I realized this character is a stand in for Pan written by Pan, so of course he got his ass beat, waited for a woman to drag him through something and succeed until he comes up short, but looks cool doing it. Yep, that's more like him. It might not be endearing for audiencea who don't know him, considering this duo is him split into two parts(Loki wants to make cool videos, Bianca wants a cartoon) but, hey write what you know. At least the work is already done for both those goals now so a legacy is established, that was the hard part
>>150231556Yes it was. The artwork is bad too. As was the voice acting.If every single aspect of the work is bad but we still can't call it bad then at that point you have to wonder what is even the purpose of talking about it.
There's no contrast. When everything looks like le hecking scenegoth frutiger aero y2k graphic design then nothing really stands out. The human characters probably could've benefited from a more streamlined, simplified look. The writing felt confused, you had a story about gaining self confidence and the pieces are there, but none of it actually connects because it spends so much time on other irrelevant stuff. Its telling that the most standout stuff was the mixed media, Genndy's suggestion. Really feels like a bad case of needing to kill your darlings, but if he paid for this out of pocket it was probably just a case of sunk cost and it being too deep in to meaningfully change anything.
I feel like this would be better as a series of vignettes that added up over time instead of a 30 minute episode. Supplemented with comics and stuff, honestly Pan could've just been doing that this whole time and slowly built something organically and he probably could've actually communicated all of his different ideas by now if he just focused on one thing at a time.
>>150231621>If every single aspect of the work is bad but we still can't call it bad then at that point you have to wonder what is even the purpose of talking about it.You must be new because that's what anons do on every media board, constantly talking about things that are bad in every aspect but will have threads on it for literal decades Also I disagree, the writing is cohesive and you get what it's putting down. Some jokes don't land though. Artwork I'd say is good with some rough designs here and there. Voice acting though I'd say is bad, especially Pan as Loki. He works more as doing background character voices.
I feel like this is something not many have said but, does Pan have a backburner project in case this doesn't attract executives? Especially since he has been working on Loki IRL for more than a decade as a whole, if I were him I would've pitched something more simple and then get to make Loki a reality once I cozy it up with executives
>>150231623>Really feels like a bad case of needing to kill your darlingsI've seen anons say that for about 8 years now and it still feels like no one on this board knows what that actually means
>>150231674>Also I disagree, the writing is cohesive and you get what it's putting down.It's taking itself too seriously at points for just a first episode, like its trying to be Shonen anime and failing at it. Let us know the characters a little more and add better jokes first.
>>150231716You're funny. You think he wants any other cartoon made besides this?
>>150231727I'd say it takes itself seriously enough, the shonen anime aspect as there but I think it's not hitting because the voice acting isn't going over the top like Japanese actors do
>>150231674>the writing is cohesive and you get what it's putting down.
>>150231716>does Pan have a backburner project in case this doesn't attract executives?As far I can tell he's most likely gonna go back to making videos and doing graphic design for small businesses Probably could make some profit from his editing and research skills
>>150231756As I said not all the jokes land
>>150231716His youtube videos seemingly still pay him well
panbros...
>>150231718Well what I mean is he should've cut a ton of shit for time. That whole intro sequence and the fighter montage could have been shortened down a lot and articulated so much better as a result, but so much of that runtime is spent on stuff that doesn't matter. It doesn't meaningfully establish characters, the wifi thing could've been written out completely and nothing would've changed. The whole worldbuilding thing about IRLs being fired for rotoscopes could've gone somewhere, but the fact that the rival character just explains it anyway means there's no purposeful payoff. You could have cut that entire sequence of them going to the influencer mansion and the boss talking down to the rival character. All this story actually needed was showing loki and bianca fail a lot and get views, the rival characters notice and challenge them, you have some space for their Rocky Balboa hype up back and forth, and you can have your hype and aura fight at the end while hitting that "oh hey, we actually got this far this is awesome" note.Without cutting stuff the whole pilot just feels exhausting to go through, so much stuff doesn't go anywhere/is setup for episodes that won't happen.
>>150231440>>150231475Criticizing is fine as long as you don’t pretend you are better than him just because of that pilot. So called art experts who never do any work pretending they know more than people who put out projects are cringier than any edgy tryhard pilot.
>>150231859I mean, this isn’t anything unusual. When has a cartoon reviewer made anything good?
>>150231754It just gives me tonal whiplash when Loki getting beat up is played as a joke initially and then in the last fight him losing is really serious. He should strive for a goofier anime influence like Panty and Stocking.
>>150231236Better than Catching Up, but that's the lowest bar.
>>150231859Nobody checked out your blog so you had to post it here?
>>150231870Then just say cut stuff thenKilling your darlings means killing the project that doesn't work altogether
>>1502312367/10 he definitely put everything he is on that pilot
>>150231896Better than Growing Around, which doesn't exist. At least he can say he made the best indie pilot among his yt reviewer piers. So far. Unless Tariq actually pulls it off
>>150231859Kiwis are right again
I just realized whats the sudden influx of indie pilots?
>>150231886>He should strive for a goofier anime influence like Panty and Stocking.That is a bad example, panty and stocking are jokey for the majority of their episodes and only serious sometimes because it's a comedy show first and foremost This show seems to be going for more action/drama The last fight being taken seriously is due to Bianca being scared over the fact people will still see them as a joke if they lose it
>>150231911That's... no, what the fuck are you talking about, killing your darlings is specifically about editing shit down not canning entire projects. I'm pretty sure it came from firing bad actors to save movies, but all my writing teachers and every script doctor I've ever worked with have used that phrase to mean editing shit down.
>>150231951>whats the sudden influx of indie pilots?Hazbin hotel success and major studios kicking animators to the curb People said we'll make our own cartoons with black and jack and hookers and they wanna see if it'll actually work
>>150231886It doesn't make sense how even without the gem he can do SSJ4 Daima Goku power moves in the final fight but, an IRL falling on him in the beginning crushed him you're right. The best part of the pilot also worked against the tone, better than nothing I suppose but, you have to establish the durability of your characters if you want to be taken seriously. You can be Looney Tunes one minute, Gurren Laggen the next if you want but, there are better ways to do this
>>150231958That's weirdMy professors referred to killing tour darlings as when studios pull the plug on the project all together either because the script rewrites weren't making the project turn out any better I've heard some people working on webcomics refer to killing your darlings as canning a project due to it not working one way or the other
>>150231954>The last fight being taken seriously is due to Bianca being scared over the fact people will still see them as a joke if they lose itYeah I know, and Bianca isn't interesting which is why I don't care if they win or lose by the end of the episode. That's the problem. These shows need to stop doing the action/comedy/ drama thing if they don't have good animation, characters, or timing of humor.
>>150231954Bianca needs to grow up. You're entering a chicken fight but, gossip is your kryptonite? Quit the melodrama.
The thing with Bianca is that she already doesn't believe in herself. That's what separates her from a Shonen protag and why she's not interesting.
>>150232026You have to remember she's a woman
>>150231951Most animation studios are completely unwilling to sign on any new cartoon if they aren't a reboot of a previously established and successful IP. Even if you're an experienced animator with decades of experience and and a proven track record you still can't get anything approved. The entire industry is essentially paralyzed due to every single cartoon network collectively having zero idea how to successfully monetize cartoons now that legacy tv is the way of the dodo and most have hunkered down making 1 season reboots for toddlers on some shitty streaming service that nobody uses since the rights for that IP will make the project a net return even if it flops. TLDR; If want make original show Indie only option.
>>150231954Not that anon, but I don't think that really works. If you have this story about gaining the confidence to be yourself and not care what others thing while you strive for your goals, then I think it would actually help hit that serious note if it was more comedy. You have this Bianca character that's fighting herself until she embraces it at the end, but that doesnt get communicated really well. If she and loki were a joke the whole time, and you actually had it get to her, and you literally have this embodyment of a serious real(istic) artist beating her down, it would land so much better if she won the fight by embracing her strengths not just as an artist but as a character. She gives this whole speech about how 2d can do more than rotoscoping, and it feels like its setting up for this toonforce beating down the serious opponent thing, but since they're both totally serious it just doesn't really land as anything more than a key jangling fight sequence.
>>150224181Jim is the only cool one
>>1502139638.4K in 4 hours. Well, it might hit 15K in a week.
>>150232048Bianca is just a vessel for Loki but, Loki is established as someone with goals, ambition, a life style, reference based humor, is willing to self improve and is only losing at the whim of Bianca's anxiety. This is why not writing it so Bianca has to summon him or he has a soul bond with her ruins the tension. He can live outside of her. Progression is at a stand still when Bianca isn't a good master to her slave basically. So there's no goal beyond using her slave to advance for personal gain. All she has to do is not tense up and it's just a basic fight anime. If she gets a cartoon the premise is over. Basically it's like pokemon without the stats or strategy, playability, all the challenge. And you can have children with them
>>150219003It was better than expected for whatever that's worth.
>>150231859What is this, who made this?
>>150232048Loki is the shonen protagonist
Did Bianca’s sister die? Where was she?
>>150225625This. Pan is a dork and possibly a coward. But, he's never lied to his audience. Disappointed yes, gaslit possibly but, not lie
>>150231882So, I supposed the pilot can be described by one simple phrase: TOO MUCH SHIT GOING ON IN IT!https://youtu.be/RQSaz7PScPs
>>150232256But he's the pokemon
>>150231882But I AM better than him.
>>150230310The is exactly what I thought ti would be, a raw good idea brought into the world by hands too uninterested in improving fundamentals to make it reach its full potential.Even if it went further I think the best way forward is to have a robust team that can manage things on an episode to episode basis while letting Pan provide his flare on top. Or like bring in someone skilled in whatever the primary animation style on the episode is to co-direct said episode until Pan has learned from osmosis.Its fucking admirable that he made something like this and if it was an an enjoyable time but the man needs more training.
>>150232048So like Shinji
>>150231440>>150231475This is an idea he's workshopped and attempted for how many years now? He's had a long time to refine the characters, retool the plot, settle on a real gimmick, develop a real sense of humor, and learn about themes, motifs, and general storytelling 101.Even if Pan is a destitute amateur, he's had an excessive amount of time to work on this and make it into something that shines despite any technical production shortcomings. Instead, it still looks like shit, the premise is still messy and incoherent, and the characters still suck. The only thing going for it is a pretty unique artstyle, but combined with Pan's lack of art skills to give them interesting poses and expressions, and his stiff, remedial sense of animation timing (another thing he had years to teach himself), it just looks bad.
>>150213828Murdoc?
>>1502312365-6/10I'd say that the writing is the weakest thing about the pilot and unfortunately, while not terrible, I think that its lower quality will stop people from becoming endeared to the characters which is what you really want for a pitch to take off in this way. If you look at the comments, you'll see what I'm talking about as most of the commendations are about Pan himself or the vibe/set pieces/esthetic of the show and not the characters or what actually happens in the episode. Compare this to the initial reception of the Hazbin pilot and there were a lot of viewers who had already taken a liking to the characters and were invested in the plot of the show itself. The Hazbin pilot wasn't a masterpiece by any means, but it understands that endearing the audience to its characters is more important than its base concept.As the title character Loki should feel larger than life. He should have the scene presence to overcome the writing's smaller flaws and get the audience invested in the same way that other leading characters can. Look at Blitzo whose character is written in a way that singlehandedly gaslights the fans of the show into thinking that the story of Helluva Boss is actually good. Loki doesn't do this. It's obvious that Pan is trying to make Loki into this centerpiece but it doesn't come across here and the fact that Pan is doing his best to voice Loki unfortunately doesn't help. Loki needed to come across as a main character with staying power alongside Bianca, but he ends up feeling like a supporting character.
>>150231092Oh my god how despicable
>>150232381Continuing Secondly the worldbuilding is also weak. The pilot repeatedly tells the audience about the show's concept but we aren't made to understand where any of this is taking place. Do Bianca and Loki live in the same city as the subway from the beginning exposition? Do they live in the same city as that animation studio? Do they live in the same city as the big stadium featured in the end? Is that stadium in a super-exclusive downtown area that matters a lot to the media? The show features several locations but there's never an "establishing shot" moment. As a result, characters seem to float around nebulously to wherever they need to be and the locations themselves never really matter. This is a small detail but it actually does a lot to ground characters and get an audience invested in the characters and the stakes of a series. Again, the Hazbin pilot does a better job of this in its opening number that instantly communicates what the hell-city looks like. Even for cartoons that take place in real-world locations like Spectacular Spider-Man, time is still taken to establish important locations like the school, the Daily Bugle, etc. and how they relate spatially to what Peter has going on.
Can someone explain the WiFi curse and how Loki is connected to it?
>>150232434Pan can, go ask him. You won't get any answers here.
>>150232332Shinji has a dead mom a neglectful father, and a big responsibility at only 14.
>>150214023Its like a more complicated version of Digimon but sucks more
>>150232381Honestly is Loki had something like a Skeletor style voice instead of just being Pan again it would of helped a lot
>>1502312367/10The setting and themes wasn't as strong as they could be; and the struggles that artists face seemed shallow at times. I think that exploring why someone would get in to IRLs and why they choose their style would fix this; and that could play in to the WiFi curse.
I can't even finish five minutes of this shit, it's like a cross between a half assed newgrounds animation and an incredibly mediocre mid-late 2000s nicktoons/CN schedule filler.
>>150231177>Finally make your big tiddy tomboy goth IRL>She come to life and the first thing your hear is Pan's voice
>>150232434Honestly no.
He got his editing style from this movie btw https://youtu.be/2WMm7N1IthE
>>150232564Lel
>>150227876I found a lost film once and got jackshit for it. Probably cause I dont hang out in autism communities
>>150231958Yeah it means dont be afraid to cut shit you are attached to if it fucks with the cohesion of the overall story.
>>150232381Yeah, I feel like for a pilot you need one at least one aspect nailed that’ll get people to come back. Loki being the title character means he needed to be the focus of “if we need to get one thing absolutely right it has to be him”. Honestly they should have hired an actual good voice actor at least for Loki. Even in the trailer I was sitting there going “Wait Pan isnt actually just doing his normal voice for Loki right?” It’s completely doesnt fit the character.
>>150213828So do you like the pilot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wks741fGig
>>150231236I'd give it a 6-7/10. I see the potential in this, and can tell Pan put some good work in this pilot. But it obviously still needs work, especially in the writing department.
>>150232653What was it?
>>150232882That above average. Honestly a great score for someone who has no animation experience. I too enjoyed it for what it was. Pan atleast seems to understand colors. The main chicken being pink ann her Stand being Green is a good way to make them pop. The writing is kinda what I expected. Felt like a new newgrounds cartoon in a bad way. This shit was likely written a while ago though so hopefully Pan is beyond this kind of writing now. He should really find a cowrtier or editor or something to help iron out his ideas and help focus the plot. I'm kinda doubting we will get more episodes im happy the art looks better than the Webcomic. The Webcomic always looks way to colorful. Made the line work hard to read. The Pilot atleast had easy to read designs. The thick outlines are pretty cool. I think 6/10 is fair. I'd watch this over Brinckleberry or Helluva Boss.
>>150213828This thread and /co/ as a whole is full of retards that are high up on the spectrum as Pan himself, so I find most of these replies to be jealous schizos who commision fart porn but i think the pilot is only just OK. I'm kind of surprised that how much dead air there is in between dialogue - i feel like this is something that required more "punchy" dialogue instead of shitty one liners that work in cartoon reviews but don't work in a cartoonthe world building and the animation is pretty cool. i like the concepts even if they're not fleshed out but hearing Pan's voice is super distracting. I think Pan is a OK guy, he has like this unfortunate tie to the internet and he's shared way too much personal info but that was simply the style of the time on tumblr and etc. I think he plays up the loser shit a lot - at the worst he's autisticimo i dont know of how this will spread online, it doesn't really target the "ANIMATION IS CINEMA" group of covid teenagers who repost hazbin hotel and digital circus shit which is def the most profitable sector for this indie animation stuff. i wish him the best, it's cool to see a project get finished.i cannot fault people for chasing their own dreams
>>150232856>webcomic biancasomeone got a design upgrade, at least
>>150232311Sure you are bud
>>1502312367/10I made sure to temper my expectations before going in and honestly- it has good bones for future stuff. Just depends on how well Pan is willing to flesh it out.Like others are saying, the writing is the biggest pain point. If Pan is deadset on making this a series, he needs to get an editor/ someone to help temper his ambitions.As for world building. Caught on to the whole appeal of the Melees and why anyone chooses to engage with them - they're essentially just online artist culture taken literal. You have to fight other artists if you want to make any proper money/ living off of it. Which im sure Pan has plenty of baggage about. Can that theme be expanded to encompass other stuff relating to different arts? Certainly. I just dont know if Pan has the sorta scope in actual life experience to write those themes well enough.Again. He needs someone else to bounce ideas. People with experiences beyond his own.All in all, I recognize the effort put into this. My biggest worry is that this concept is too big for Pan's abilities.Also hey, this pilot essentially is the reason the shitty podcast days are over so, thats at least one objectively good thing will came from this.
I think it's kinda funny that "but why are they making their IRLs fight" is something people here are getting hung up on considering that making weird characters fight one another as a competitive sport is such a classic trope at this point. How does /co/ of all boards not put that together?
>>150233459It's less of that than and more "Why are you in to cockfighting? What makes you want to be the best cockfighter out there?" sort of thing.
>>1502312362/10Pan needs to learn show don't tell. Felt like every second of the pilot was explaining the world, which was also needlessly complicated>Dude were in the future for some reason>We fight with art like pokemon>The art has a personality and a mind of its own>They dont get hurt btw>They regenerate btw>They have a resource meter that uses ink btw>Your art skills reflect how well the OC does in battle too btw>But if my OC connects to wifi it gets stronger from a curse btw>We also coexist with the OCs but the humans are not the ones called IRLs for whatever reason>Also the IRLs (or maybe just Loki) have a day-to-day form instead of just keeping their sketch look>One of the bumpers is a full page explaining the naming system of an IRL>The art has different forms/mediums too btw>Also we fight for fame and sometimes it takes place in this big colosseum for internet views but you can also do it in the school yard>Btw the cartoon industry exists and the IRLs play as actors instead of animators but now they're all being fired for rotoscoping, which is also an IRL you can fight with????The worst part is I remember the comic and there was going to be another layer of people being able to be half OC/IRL because humans can fuck the cartoons.What should have been a simple concept just feels so complex, due to Pan not being able to commit to one idea and gradually adding on to it
>>150233482What makes Ash Ketchum wanna be the best pokemon trainer? Its just a popular competitive thing, doesnt have to be deeper than that
>>150230310Just finished watching. It was pretty great, the animations (even tho if they were sketchy) momentally were absolute cinematic. I kinda wonder if the pilot will get picked up as a full series because there is a potential.
>>150233618How is it great?
I asked the robot if 13k views in 4 hours is good and if momentum keeps up Pan could make it.
