Overrated Comics(it's not even bad, but holy shit, the entire internet acts like this is the be-all-end-all of Superman comics when there are plenty of better ones)
>>150225360Like what?
>>150225383Superman for All Seasons
>>150225360Even as a big fan of it, yeah people treat it like the Superman bible
>>150225383Superman Adventures, just to name one. Most of the issues, especially the ones by Millar, are better than anything in ASS. There are tons of other examples.>>150225421Not me, but arguably also true.
>>150225449Yeah, that's my biggest gripe with it. Its reputation is totally undeserved.
>>150225360TDKR. It's good, and I understand why batfags like it. Feels like the proper ending of a long journey. But it's far from being one of the best things I've read. It's just above good, although I really enjoyed the second issue. It gave me hope, I thought that the other issues would like that. I feel sad whenever people here say that it's one of the best comics of all time, or one of their favorites. I haven't read Year One, but people here had said that it's far better so I'm still hopeful
>>150225360I think the following comics are overrated:>Morrison Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Bat Epic>Batman: The Killing Joke and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?>any Crisis comic, including Identity Crisis>Claremont X-Men >52>Robinson Starman>Gaiman Sandman>Waid Flash, Kingdom Come, World's Finest>O'Neil The Question, Green Lantern/Green Arrow>Wolfman Teen Titans>Brubaker Captain America>Millar Ultimates, Red Son>Fraction Hawkeye>Ewing Ultimates, Immortal Hulk, Defenders>Lee/Ditko Spider-Man>Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four>Ellis The Authority, Transmetropolitan, Nextwave>Silver Surfer: Requiem>Annihilation>Earth X>Y: The Last Man>Blankets>Persepolis>The Infinity Gauntlet>Batman: The Long Halloween>The Maxx>The Boys>The Superior Foes of Spider-Man>Sideways>Yang New Super-Man, Batman/Superman>The Wrong Earth>Hickman Ultimate Spider-Man>The Unbelievable Gwenpool>The Flintstones (2016)>Hellboy>Saga>Starstruck>Moonshadow>Enigma (Milligan)>Anya's Ghost>Nimona>Duncan the Wonder Dog>Fun Home>Ducks: Two Years in the Oil Sands>anything by Brian Michael Bendis>anything by Tom Kingand basically anything after 2014. I've never read anything by some of the most maligned writers, such as Dan Slott and Tom Taylor, so that's why you don't see them on the list. Some of these are still good (and yes, I enjoy some of them), while others are just not good at all.
>>150225421Can't get past the awful art. Next?
>>150225763Year One is a pretty good interpretation of Batman's origin. Makes sense why that was being worked into a movie for so long. It can also work as a jumping-on point for the mainline Batman comics or specifically the Miller stuff (but even then, that implies reading DKSA, DK3, and All-Star Batman & Robin, which, don't)
>>150226430Overrated where? Some of those are HATED on /co/. You're practically just listing every popular comic lol (and a few that aren't even popular, which is weird).
>>150225383 I like ASS and I generally prefer Morrison to Moore, but Story of the Year is solid contender for best cape run of all time.
>>150226430This is an honest question, what do you like?
>>150226610You are retarded
>>150226610Here's your (You).
>>150226979Overrated either here, on Reddit, or other comic book sites.>>150227047Plenty. I even like some of the stuff I listed, like Ditko Spider-Man, Kirby FF, and parts of the Bat Epic.
>>150225763Funny, I think TDKR is underrated for what it does with the largely unexplored 16 panel grid and people who focus on the plot in relation to Batman are missing out on what actually makes it good.For the thread topic, I'll say Spurrier's X-Men Legacy. I think most of the praise that series gets is from established X-Fans who have already developed an emotional connection to the characters, going into it with minimal exposure to the outback era and nothing else I found it bland and hollow. At no point did it make me care about Legion.
>>150225360There is no such thing as a good superman comic, he brings down the dc verse by existing.
>>150227254I agree but I wonder what your reasoning is?
>>150227505>I agree but I wonder what your reasoning is?Somewhat it's like the X-men better off in their own bubble since they're treated that way for the most part.Superman as a character is far too powerful or completely useless for drama purposes. It ruins a character when every time they show up you have to artificially contain them so that the conflict of your story makes sense.Could Superman be good? Possible but i've yet to see a writer really do it satisfactorily. Flash since speed force wankery has gotten into the same area.
>>150227561I just hate him for being a preachy politically correct faggot all the time, same goes for those lame ass xmen.
>>150225360literally anything by marvel.
>>150227582>I just hate him for being a preachy politically correct faggot all the time, same goes for those lame ass xmen.Probably a good reason as well, it brings things from outside the story into the story. If it were correctly incorporated and allowing you to draw your own conclusions it might be less irritating.
>>150225360Just posting to say I hate the word "overrated", it's the most useless word used for criticing something because it's got nothing to with the story itself but the public's perception of the story, a factor the creator has zero control over.
>>150227617>factor the creator has zero control over.They definitely astro turf Morrison, Bendis, King, etc.. All garbage authors who wouldn't make it without the unending campaign.
>>150227617>Just posting to say I hate the word "overrated"just posting this to say i stopped reading your comment right there.
>>150227666Well atleast you got the point
>>150225360>>150225449>>150225469i think it's a good introductory book to what superman is despite it being framed as the "end" of his superhero career.honestly if you wanna talk about overrated superman media then i can match you with the christopher reeves movies. they're where all the memes about him being a boring character originated from but every superfag shits their collective diapers if any iteration of superman isn't a 1:1 copy of reeves.
>>150225360For about ten years there from the time he went back to DC to Multiversity, there was a Morrison cult among the comic book tastemaker crowd of influential journalists, bloggers and the places they frequented (basically the old Batman's Shameful Secret crowd) who were convinced that every comic he wrote was some genius work of revolutionary art and the best whatever: best Superman comic, best Batman, comic, etc. It's peak/low point was Final Crisis which is unreadable, self-indultgent garbage with a completely incoherent plot that they were convinced was the greatest work of brilliant genius ever put to the page.
>>150226895>>150225763>but even then, that implies reading DKSA, DK3, and All-Star Batman & Robin, which, don'tmiller's batman universe is an avant garde masterpiece that we as a society just don't get and is a perfect documentation of frank miller's decline into mental illness when read in order of release.i'd even go as far as to say that all star batman & robin is the room of batman comics if batman odyssey didn't exist.
>>150227845>DKSAThis one's good though.
I only watched the animated adaptation. Did I lose that much of the story?
>>150227666I remember it used to be a good reading practice to stop reading something as soon as the word "overrated" came up.I don't see it abused as much these days, though
>>150225453>literally ASSSomehow I didn't realize this, lol
>>150225360WatchmenV for VendettaThe Killing JokeCrisis on Infinite EarthsDark Knight ReturnsInvincible/The Boys (we have Marshal Law at home)Uber Dragon BallOne Piece (sorry but it went downhill after the skip)Warhammer Monthly/any Warhammer comic other than Bloodquest/anything by Dan AbnettAnything by Neil GaimanAnything by Grant Morrison Anything by Warren Elis (I do like the first half of transmet though) IDW TransformersAbsolute BatmanKingdom ComeThe Incal
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>>150228241>WatchmenI agree.It's one of my favorite comics, but some people out there consider it better than tons of novels.
>>150228283It just doesn't hold up on rereads because it's a mystery and character drama, not an action story. The dialogue and characters are the highlight, not the plot.
>>150225453>>150228159kek
>>150226430>I think the following comics are overrated:all the comics that existlol
>>150228300It's even better with subsequent rereads. There are many threads and layers in Watchmen, and every time you read it you will pick up on more details. Makes it more grand when it comes together. It's a top comic, but it's just shy of being a genuine masterpiece.
>>150228300>It just doesn't hold up on rereadsI majorly disagree about that. Watchmen is a comic that rewards multiple rereads for the sheer amount of detail that miss on the first read through.
everything can be overrated if you dont like it.
>>150227617The correct way to use this term is when you like a work and think it's good, but you realize that the rest of the world doesn't see its flaws.
>>150228347There's tons of comics I like that I didn't list, tons of comics I dislike that I didn't list, and even more stuff I haven't read.
>>150228241>Dragon Ball>One PieceThis is off-topic
>>150228421both comics and manga are images printed on paper
>>150228427Yeah just like /p/
>>150228283i think watchmen is overrated from all of the shitty superhero deconstructions & subversions it inspired.whenever i come across some overly pretentious capeshit it always feels like the writer only ever read watchmen and just assumed all superhero books were like that.
>>150226430>>150225360What are some comics that are rated perfectly?
>>150225421Nah that book is carried entirely by Sale’s art. Superman is a total nonentity in that book, just a one note farmboy.
>>150225360I love it, but I never understood it as a rec for new readers
>>150225360Johns's Green Lantern in general. It's not all bad but taken in totality it's an unyielding and very stupid slog.
>>150225360I know that one Bendisfag always gets triggered when this book gets called shit, so no reason to stop.The fact this is my honest opinion and not bait only makes it better because of how much that makes him seethe.
>>150228548I'm reading it in trades right now and I am finding that I really fucking hate the layouts and paneling. Also, his one year later story is kind of ass. Sinestro Corps War is decent though.
>>150225360Most capeshit books of the past 35 years are nothing short of despicable.
>>150228611Most capeshit books period, since they started, have been terrible. It's not like you could go back to the 60s or 50s or 40s and everything was good.
>>150228611doesn't really fit the thread though, does it?
>>150227904No. Morrison isn't Moore, there was no story to lose.
>>150228453>whenever i come across some overly pretentious capeshit it always feels like the writer only ever read watchmen and just assumed all superhero books were like that.Oh my fucking god this sums it up so perfectly.
>>150227759don't get me started on how overrated the Donner films and TAS are, they're still great films and a great show but people talk way too highly of them
>>150228354what comic would you consider a genuine masterpiece? serious question btw
>>150229109There are no such comics as far as I've read. Not yet. The medium has room to grow. A lot more creatives need to take the time and give it their all.
>>150225360Bone
>>150228555Does ANYONE actually still like that though?
>>150227759>imageimagine saying that when Batman is ground fucking zero for the no-kill rule debate and also people getting mad about whether he's too goofy or too edgy or his side characters.
>>150227843A lot of the British Invasion writers had that sort of cult of personality around them, but with Morrison, particularly in the years he was working on high-profile cape comics like JLA, X-Men, Batman, etc, he really did have a cult of worshippers like you talked about. They'd attack anyone who didn't like it as if they were idiots who just didn't get it, while also dismissing the entire pre-Morrison history of the book in question as worthless garbage they wouldn't lower themselves to read.Watching them try to defend Final Crisis was fun, as was seeing them complain about Countdown not leading into it properly, something that was 100% Grant's own fault for not communicating with other writers.
>>150229831>>150229486If there's any one point to this thread, it's that Morrison really isn't a very good writer.
>>150226430>Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?I need to read this one but from what I've gathered from Wikipedia. It's kinda lame, especially with the retcon of Mixy being the same in all universes. Feels too edgy idk
>>150228555I like it.
>>150229723Well, there's always some "Bendis was good in the 2000s" type ready to defend it.Plus the shitty show adapted from it gained it some fans.
>>150228505Here's your (You).
>>150230336He's one of the best superhero writers, king of the midwits. His big flaw is that often his stories aren't particularly entertaining or coherent on the surface-level.
>>150229831Brit writers gained a cult following because they were better than what they were used to.
>>150230374It's alright, but some people consider it the best Superman story.
>>150230336He's alright.
>>150229831What's worse is that Final Crisis is perfectly coherent, the issue people were having is that it's a two-part story and the first half of the second part was released as a tie-in without any indication it's part of the main plot. I've got a lot of issues with FC and Morrison's other works but the consistently worst thing about Morrison are his fanboys.>>150230336He's definitely overly praised and there is a fairly large body of his work that noticeably never gets talked about, but I'd say he's a good writer on a whole even if I don't like works he's written.>>150232548I'll try to find it but I remember reading an interview with a writer who said that a lot of the American authors were irritated by the Brit Invasion writers because they wanted to get experimental in the 70s and early 80s they were usually denied and had to take their ideas to independent publishers, then suddenly the Big 2 imports a bunch of new guys and give them carte blanche. So they're stuck looking out of touch and uncreative for not doing the things they hadn't been allowed to do.
>>150230336Morrison was a good writer but I think by the later half of the 2000s he'd bought fully into his own hype and thought himself some guru and authority on superhero comics and how they function on a meta level which subsequently made his output shit. I include Multiversity in that by the way. Pretty much from Seven Soldiers on, Morrison was writing comics about comics, not superhero stories.Now that he's semi-retired, the Morrison cult has shifted to Al Ewing who presents himself as a guy badly skinwalking Morrison and, to a lesser extent, the other British Invasion writers.
>>150229800the difference is that batman isn't married by fans to one particular version. people are okay with arkham batman, BATB, DCAU, adam west, nolan, superfriends, miller, etc.superfags HAVE to have superman be like christopher reeves.>>150230336>>150231312i feel like the people that hate his work either just don't really "get" it or expect too much and i say that knowing there's guys out there that can do his style of writing better than he can.i like him largely because he's can do lighthearted books while still maintaining an air of maturity to them without veering off into the edgy and i find some of his craziness entertaining.
>>150234583Eh, I like Morrison and I think most of his stuff is above average, but I think his short form stuff is better than his longer runs, and he definitely has some dudes (looking at you, new 52 action comics).I think Warren Ellis is the same way. He would have been better off writing 3-6 issue self contained stories than ever attempting to do longer runs.
>>150234818*Has some duds
>>150225360starman- david bowie started the meme, fake supermanfags, all of them.
>>150234931What meme?
