After years of humiliation, Loki IRL's pilot is out, discuss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLVU2jHUBeItl;dr: it's exactly what you'd expect.
>>1502380821:37https://youtu.be/zNyPBvVx09sToo lazy to make an edit
>>150238082It's surprisingly compentently animated but alot of the complaints brought up in the last thread are hard to ignore. Namely Pan voicing 3/4ths of the cast, the convoluted plot for a pitch pilot, Wavebird getting sidelined, the comic dying a decade earlier, nonsensical in-universe rules, and general Pan autism radiating off the whole project.
>>150238082I love bianca
>>150238140KEK
Did it flop or did it go for you?Do you think Pan will try to gun for a second episode?Is this setting even remotely salvageable?Would you wanna fuck an IRL? And if so, what style of IRL you going for first?And will Pan, finally, for the love of god, stop doing the Emily voice?
>>150238082Good lord, what a clusterfuck. Weird voice acting, the animation is ROUGH, I can't understand what the hell is supposed to be going on and the whole premise makes no sense to me. What's the point of it all? I like some of the music, though. I give him props though, for following through on this after the embarrassing Development Meeting pitch, I would have disappeared off the planet kek. https://youtu.be/Q0i_ACubNXI?si=baCPptu9g6Ln5Nt-&t=1303
>>150238172Pan voicing 3/4th of the cast wouldn't have been a problem if his voice wasn't so goddamn distinct, especially to someone who watched a lot of his old content. I literally cannot hear any of the characters, I only hear him making the same gags and meme voices that he's been making for a decade. And he's not a voice actor either, it's very obvious that he's just reading a script.
>>150238140>HE SAID ITS A PILOT! LIKE HES GONNA TO GIVE IT TO A NETWORK OR SOMETHING AHAHA
>>150238082It's good. I didn’t think pan had it in him but he did good imo
>>150238082I'm not watching it, but good job, Pan.
This feels painfully desperate.
>Give IRLs a sketchy look to them to help them stand out from humans.>Humans and IRLs share a lot of Pan's artist quirks (knife fingers, etc) that IRLs just look like rough animation compared to the rest.
>>150238312Pan is TimmyWho is everyone else?
>>150238440It's just a dogshit creative decision lol. It's like if you got human to dress up like "cartoon characters" in Who framed roger rabbit.
>>150238392Reminds me a lot of the autism surrounding Homestuck OCs creation rules. Just lot of arbitrary restrictions and as the cast goes up it's just gonna get weirder and more convoluted
lol
>>150238479Timestamp proof?
>>150238479If you're not lying that's super cool of you, I'm an animation student in college right now so I love looking at shit like that
>>150238392Those are just stands
>>150238082Positives>Good designs for most of the characters>The Aesthetics and Music are both good and compliment each other>Editing is good>Animation is good when it needs to be >The difference between the Pencils and Rotoscoping is nice world building and opens up for how other forms of animation like Claymation and CGI would work here>Loki is actually a pretty alright character despite Pan's terrible voice actingBad>Pan's voicing three characters and it's grating on the ears>Human's are too stylized, the uninitiated are going to confuse the humans with IRLs>Loki's "civilian" design seems pointless and unnecessary, just keep him looking like Pimp Aku and we're golden>Bianca's troubles are weak, she comes across as neurotic and useless when the actual process of fighting with your IRL seems piss easy>Minty's Boss has a terrible design>Should have used the weird Wifi thing>Speaking of the Wifi thing, if it's treated like an insane guaranteed win powerup then Bianca and Loki should be more known as the weird unpredictable dangerous guys ostracized from their peers and not these loser clowns who can't do anything>Bianca's sudden shift in confidence felt too out of nowhere Overall 7/10, it's not perfect but it's not dog trash. It falters but does give a good idea about what the world Bianca lives in is like. It's essentially Yugioh where playing Cards is the biggest thing in the world but instead of card's you're creating life through art and then having legal dogfights with themI could see this getting picked up if shopped around enough. Compared to other Online Cartoon/Art Reviewer pilots this is probably the better one out there since Pan's not too autistic he can't spare a moment to learn how to draw or didn't start being a reviewer specifically to try and smear others
>>150238082Is he trying to do an adult or a kid show
>>150238288He works really well as Loki proper but I cant stand hearing his voice come out of any of the other cast members. > I only hear him making the same gags and meme voices that he's been making for a decadeAnd that's pretty much why. The twins were never his best work, and just about all his other OC's had prescence for one reason or another. Credit to him he's sticking to his guns and actually delivered a pilot, but he's dying on Scrappy Doo hill for no good reason. Hearing Rocco Botte's voice mid episode was what really threw me for a spin. Is that where the 15K went?
Made it to 0:25, beat my high score
>>150238284The pilot feels like the season 1 finale to a show we havent gotten. Maybe that was his intent? It's a tough pill to swallow in anycase.
>>150238479Hey Pan, I know I've made fun of your designs before and we all like roasting people here, but I gotta hand it to you for having the gumption and dedication to finish your episode. That's more than I've ever done. Keep on keeping on, have an open mind about constructive criticism and feedback, and you might be onto something here. Don't let the bastards bring you down.
>>150238654/threadI'm tired of the hapless misanthropic dork leads. Bianca feels like a worn out trope of the 2010's in the worst way. Her relationship with Loki is atleast fun to watch in a Beetlejuice TAS sort of way.
>>150238392>3 name rule, with 2/3rds having to be the same.>Don't give the main guy something that can roll off the tongue.I think it speaks volumes that Rapido Rush Down is the only one that kinda works for this naming convention.Shit, Loki Low Brow just clicks better.
>>150238172>It's surprisingly compentently animatedThat's because there's so many other people doing the animation, but also he's enough of a fucking retard to think anyone wants to hear him pretend to be a voice actor instead of also letting someone else do the fucking voices.
>>150238082it's shit
>>150238663"yes"Maybe he wants the tween demo so many people have a hard on for these days?>>150238702I watched the entire thing. I've seen worse.
>>150238809He really should have limited himself to just voicing Loki. It's the one character his voice feels semi-natural coming out of, even with the stilted delivery. The background characters might aswell have been voiced by TTS or AI.
>>150238479No frickin way dude i love your stuff
>>150238440>claims to be an artist>pretends to be part of the larger internet artist community>calls OCs "IRLs" while pairing them with humans who look like bad OCs>refuses to break out of his badly overblown art style so every character that isn't a pile of abstract shapes or claymation looks indistinguishable from the terrible looking humans anywaysI fucking hate this faggot and hope the failure of this show causes him to finally an hero.
150238822 was meant for >>150238708
>Mortal Kombat ninja fight removed the palette swapsBOOOOO
>>150238392All of these design motifs fucking suck and make zero sense. Really speaks to just how deeply out of touch he is, but also how up his own ass he is to believe any of this is cool or will catch on.
>>150238140>>150238312We’re long past the need for TV network cartoons. You’re looking at one of Glitch Production’s upcoming shows, baby!
was this meant to be in the pilot
>>150238479Your art style looks like dogshit and you're hoping lazily lifted concepts from other people's work who understand fundamentals will carry over to your hodgepodge of lifted slop. It's why your pilot is such a dogshit mess in terms of writing because you have a million ideas that came from other places with nothing cohesive or meaningful to tie it all together. You're not someone with an interesting story to tell you are just someone desperate to become a 'professional cartoonist' for whatever that apparently means to you. You platformed groomers in the past, have had all your own lolcow mishaps, and it's pathetic watching you struggle so hard to understand the art form you so openly insisted you had a love for. You ultimately were a desperate obsessive who had no actual substance to offer. You used to beg for animation jobs in your old videos and now literally your own cartoon is focusing around that same desperation.
>>150238926ntayrt but lol, audacity is "fine" for simple shit but it has nowhere near the tools or workflow that Audition does. Audacity is also a destructive editor, whenever you make edits it alters the original file permanently which is a pain in the ass.
>>150238797This is what makes Loki a fine character even though Pan's voicing him. Loki takes his L's and still keeps up a good attitude, it's refreshing and nice to have a character like that
>>150239073Kys
>>150239107Agreed. All in all they do make an interesting pair of leads. The pilot has its faults but I could see it catching on with the broccoli heads.
>>150239107Yeah Loki as a character is one of the few things this pilot has going for it
>>150238479you are so desperate for views that you immediately came over here without even hiding it
>>150238654>Good designs for most of the charactersMost of them are extremely distinct and full of heavy, unique shape language, but few of them are "good". They're some kind of mix of Panty and Stocking crossed with Spum guzzler bullshit.>The Aesthetics and Music are both good and compliment each otherPicking good tracks that were already made by other people for other reasons is faint praise. I guess you can praise his taste in Jet Set Radio-adjacent music, but is that really a feature of the show?>Editing is goodBasic scene transitions are fine, but the rest is sloppy as fuck.>Animation is good when it needs to be Except in all the parts where it's really really bad. Like Sub early 00s newgrounds bad. The good parts are the result of getting other people to do it for him, because Pan never actually learned to animate and you can tell which parts he did, because they suck. The way he talks about the "line of action" but then has the scene unfold with the most limp-dicked lifeless, weightless action really says a lot about how much he's actually tried to learn about animation in a real, tangible way. He ostensibly a cartoon reviewer and he doesn't know how to animate a hit with weight.>The difference between the Pencils and Rotoscoping is nice world building and opens up for how other forms of animation like Claymation and CGI would work hereSchisms my 'tism actually. Rotoscoping is an animation technique, not an artstyle. He doesn't seem to know the difference between a medium, an artstyle, and an animation technique. The gimmick of having clashing artstyles battling is mostly going to be used for Gumball-styled mixed media scenes, but there will be nothing deeper about it. >Loki is actually a pretty alright character despite Pan's terrible voice actingHe's just Pan's self insert because Pan never figured out what makes Loki an evil bad guy, despite that being his entire concept, even with decades of "work" wasted on this shit.
>>150238082Autistic Numbers updateThe Pilot is still holding at 3.5k views an hour.Again everyone within Pan's sphere of influence is watching it but nobody outside of it.However the risk of only being in english may kill its momentum behind the average 100k in 24 hours a project like this needs to keep pace.
>>150239182To be fair, I think most of us would do the same
>>150239230That's a weak ass excuse for a lack of a spine.
>>150238479So I can assume every compliment was just you posting about your own cartoon? I didn't think anyone genuinely liked this garbage and now I know they didn't.
>>150238082Someone watched too much Panty Stocking
>>150238082>>150238140Pan saying he likes 'Freddy got fingered' makes more sense with each yearhttps://youtu.be/uSgOb1FvPAQ?si=Wvb6tGQU4Ifxwe_V&t=54
>>150239302and can't even come close to getting good drawings
I'm gonna be honest I wasn't super into the pilot at the start but that fight sequence was fucking awesome and I love those statue guys and the boss kid. I want more of this. You better launch a kickstarter so I can back it Pan
>>150238082*sigh* hopefully this is better than most indieslop let alone helluvaboss…
>>150238392modern Pan's artstyle looks like it wants to be a mix between Hideyuki Tanaka(Super Milk-chan, Bust a Groove) and Imaishi cartoony art but can't get quite there
>>150238082Okay, I admit this got a laugh out of me
>>150238654I change my mind! It’s nowhere better than helluvaboss nor any indieslop!
>>150239520>Super Milk-chanHe hates that weirdly enough
>>150239520I assume Pan wants to look like this but has no idea how to actually draw.
>>150239533Maybe I’ll change my mind again, maybe it’s not that bad, since it’s 7/10
>>150238082This is so fucking cringe.
>>150238708I literally watched the whole thing anon.
>>150239682no you're supposed to stop as quickly as possible
>>150239533>>150239592Ok retard
I liked it, as other people ITT are saying, it's a solid 7/10. I'd watch more if it actually gets picked up.
>>150239820You people have a strange concept of what a 7/10 looks like. Large portions of this pilot are unwatchably bad.
>>150239555Oh God I remember that video. He actually thinks the fosterized version of it is better and that [adult swim] should've went with it instead of the mostly faithful dub, not realizing it airing next to Shin Chan would've pissed off [as]'s anime audience and make the show seem insanely derivative/tryhard
>>150239841What's a 7/10 look like to you?
>>150239629That's kind of the point
>>1502401345/10 is Bog standard. Average. It does everything a show is supposed to do, but doesn't do anything especially good or bad. 7/10 is slightly above average. Decent, but not amazing writing. Competent animation. Enough of a hook that I'd want to watch more. Room for improvement, but not deeply flawed in any deal breaking way.
>>150240217>7/10 is slightly above average. Decent, but not amazing writing. Competent animation. Enough of a hook that I'd want to watch more. Room for improvement, but not deeply flawed in any deal breaking way.I'd say it does fulfill that criteria But I mean like a show or a similar indie pilot that'd you consider a 7/10
>>150238082I think the concept would work more if the humans looked less cartoony
>>150239965>not realizing it airing next to Shin Chan would've pissed off [as]'s anime audienceI can't imagine most mid aught weeboos really giving a shit about another shitpost dub on AS for Super Milk Chan of all things.
>>150239841>>150240217Most people grade on a US education curve where10/10 is disingenuous, 9/10 is great 8/10 is solid, 7/10 is passing, 6/10 is jank with some interesting parts, anything between 2-5/10 is varying level of hyperbole on something being bad, and 1/10 is unwatchable.
>>150240282Reminds me of the issue the disney show Bonkers has. The humans are supposed to be proper real humans. But due to the style - they're just as cartoony as the toons.
>>150240267>I'd say it does fulfill that criteriaOnly if you ignore the large swaths of bad wrting, bad animation, bad voice acting (from Pan himself), incoherent worldbuilding, and a lot of attention given to a macguffin that never gets used. But hey, it's colorful and the music is good.
>>150240282Agreed, I was kind of confused at first as to who's a human and who's a cartoon because there's not enough of a visual contrast between the two. The lines look a little "sketchier" sure, but the difference should be more obvious at a glance imo
>>1502403335 is average
>>150240363>large swaths of bad wrting, bad animation, bad voice acting (from Pan himself), incoherent worldbuilding, and a lot of attention given to a macguffin that never gets used.I'd say the writing was decent, nothing too special in that regards The animation was choppy at times but given Pan's experience and the budget I'd say it turned out better than expected Yeah the voice acting is bad and is lacking the over the top energy in partsI wouldn't say the worldbuilding is incoherent, it's pretty straight forward The attention to the macguffin is there for set up and if it was used they'd win which I think would have defeated the message at the end
>>150240360Whoa, memory unlocked. I completely forgot about Bonkers, I remember renting the video game from Blockbuster when I was a kid
>>150240453Sorry anon, 5 is an F and failure to understand the material.8 is average and if you don't like that take it up with the US board of Education.
>>150238140>>150238312That is literally a joke in the pilot
>>150239073>>150239182>>150239268holy fucking seethe
>>150240478I'm gonna be honest man, it sounds like you're saying if you just ignore all the bad parts and grade on a curve, then it's actually good, and I just cannot agree to such criteria. The fact that Pan has been pitching and workshopping this concept and this project for so long and even brought on a dozen other animators to help him and it still came out this bad is exactly why you shouldn't excuse the budget and give it any "for what it is" considerations. He's been on youtube talking about cartoons AND talking about his big "Loki IRL" comic/cartoon project for nearly 20 fucking years and he still sucks this much.
>>150239331God I hate how much you apply this to so many modern /co/ works
>>150240282Eh they are good where they are now. Atleast its not like how some were before. Heck the weaboo was a gorilla who was jokingly the daughter of bonzai buddy. The pilot was pretty much the comic but humans are now more of their own thing.
>>150240316It definitely would've made them look one-note. And you're talking about 4kids-era weeaboos, anon. Basic localization that needed to be done made anime fans froth at the mouth. If Adult Swim had a bunch of anime dubbed "incorrectly" all airing at the same time, it wouldn't be received well. Especially since the "Americanized" dub of Milk Chan really isn't that funny.
>>150238386I lied, I watched/liked it. Pan's art has improved a lot since I first read the comic.
>>150240653I'm not saying ignore the bad parts, I just don't think the bad parts are that bad Pan still needs to develop this more because aspects of the story and the world are half baked I think overall it's not bad it just needs more work and Pan should consult people who know their shit on writing and animation to make it betterAlso he should actually read some books
>>150240669These are such awful drawings
>>150240669>Emily Vasquezisn't that character based off of his little sissSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSdur?
>>150240760I like them
>>150240729Pan has had literal decades to develop it. If he finally got to the pilot and it's still this rough, still this unfinished, still this amateur, it's not going to improve unless someone else makes it and rewrites it for him
>>150240771You mean teen girl living in the suburbs, listening to linkin park
>>150238082I haven't paid attention to Pan since 2019
>>150240811Where are you getting decades from?As far as I can tell pan is in his 30's and started working on this back in the early 2010'sHe's been on this for at least a decade now
If I had to say one good thing about it, it’s that the feel and premise all scratch an itch for me that hasn’t been scratched by other projects I know of
This was just a real delight. Borderline auteurist in its aesthetics, and as a long-time fan of Pan, it was so interesting to see how his editing style, montages, numerous fetishes, sound design, and visual flares he’s built up over many years have all led up to this. With a lot of these other online pilots, you don’t necessarily see the true beating heart of the creator in them, which isn’t a bad thing, but for better or worse, this is the product of Pan Pizza and only a project he could’ve made, down to the showcase of his insecurities, attempts at inspiring his audience, and repeated mentality on how he views animation and art.I’m inspired, and that’s one of the greatest things someone’s art can do.
>>150239005cringeHe can still pitch it to networks cause most of them have streaming apps now
>>150240845It was his babby high school OC project before that. Even if you want to split hairs and say it's only been 15 years, that's still 15 fucking years and it still kinda sucks. 10 years, 5 years fucking around with the same concept, making multiple comics, constantly drawing and redesigning the same characters, and then it's still a soggy bag of shit is not something you go>well maybe it will get better if he works on it some more?
>>150240811Dude this project was originally a comic who he decided to try making it into a project in recent years. Also i don't think he ever animated before this besides mouth flaps.
what am i watching
>>150240886No one's buying you sucking yourself off, Pan.
Pan cannot act for shit. His whiny voice and shitty spanglish makes the pilot hard to watch.
>>150240942What's your point? Guy who makes his living reviewing cartoons somehow doesn't know remedial animation principles so we should give him a break? He's pitched this to an actual network before. Why the fuck does he need special pity grading criteria? Why is a guy in his 30s who works as a graphic designer and never really tried to learn shit like a real artist deserving of special treatment?If he was some 16 year old who just started learning animation this year, I'd be blown away. But he's not and you should not treat him like his is, especially because he needs to hear genuine criticism if he's ever going to improve or make something that isn't this terrible.
>>150240838He's still kicking and mercifully. He has long since abandoned his podcast days after two failed reboots of it.And all it took was burning a couple of bridges and finally realizing people wanted to watch his videos proper. Instead of listening to whatever crashout he happened to have on that week.
>>150240929Yeah but he was also going the college, working on videos, and doing regular work during that time as wellThat doesn't excuse aspect of it being bad but I don't think it's really bad just decent It obviously should have gotten another rewrite to iron things out
>>150241024We are giving genuine criticism You make sound like if we don't agree with your critiques then it's not criticism Also we shouldn't be like personally harsh because I'm pretty sure Pan gets off to it so it'd be more like fueling the beast
>>150238082I liked it better than Monkey Wrench, which isn’t a high bar but is a VERY good thing. 7/10, more please
>>150241009He should have gotten someone else to do Loki's voice
>>150241080>Also we shouldn't be like personally harsh because I'm pretty sure Pan gets off to it so it'd be more like fueling the beastThen he can jerk himself raw until he withers and dies. Eat shit, Pan. You've been at this for entirely too long and have yet to make anything remotely good out of it. Give up.
>Pan samefagging himself in a thread
>ditch the annoying social climber tranny>finally start doing shit people care about again2026 YEAR OF THE PAN CONFIRMED
>>150241138See?
Pan… if your in this thread I’m gonna be real. You shouldn’t apologize for gooning to Raven since Cartoon Network made her officially 18 you shouldn’t pay attention to either of us chuds and troons on Twitter. We’re two sides of the some coin
>>150241199>Don't be mean to me or I'll cum!Then cum, microdick.
>>150241084If I had to compare between Monkey Wrench and Catching Up, I was more entertained watching this than those two despite really obvious flaws like>le angular/curvy artstyle>animation kinda sucks
>>150241175He’s been working on this since before he was in the relationship, I’m pretty sure. He also is still doing streams with them too.
Pan if you're in here draw anons critizing your cartoon and you cumming in your pants over it
>>150241217Now you're just being ironic about it
My name is Pan-Pizza and I hate white men!
>>150241221My problem with Monkey wrench is the main charactersThey need a third to act as balance between the two personalities Also episodes feel aimless
>>150241258Did you expect anons to go>whoa he jerks off to mean comments? I better not say anything bad about him then!Fuck off, Pan. You're a huge faggot and you were never cool.
>>150241221I honestly think this has better characters and plot.
>>150238082I've been watching Pan since 2012, and each year he gets even more pathetic.
>>150241280I'd say it's the equivalent to beating up the guy who's a masochist It's counter intuitiveYou ever see konosuba?
>>150241175>ditch the annoying social climber trannywho? i haven't watch or listen to him since 2017, is it the guy with the blue hair in the podcast?
>>150241226I can't imagine why he'd stay with a terminally unfunny attention whore with a laundry list of drama but at least he got laid which is more than most indie animators can claim they've accomplished
>>150241044idk man the podcast was better than top 10 frutiger aero ds games or whatever he does these days
>>150241310YesOr he might be referring to when Pan dated a tranny for a while
>>150241302When post nut clarity kicks in, all that's left are the bruise, dipshit.
Ditch the tranny Pan, you my nigga then you nigga now. She’s using you for clout and she’ll probably try to cancel you.I’m just trying to help my fellow Latinos who
>>150241339You've never dealt with a masochist have you?Or met up with someone from fetlife?Post nut clarity is for those with shame
>>150238479I still think you hating on Ultraman was ass
>>150241368Pan, this really isn't as cool and witty as you convinced yourself it is. You're a huge pathetic faggot and a terrible artist. End of the day, everyone knows what an insecure sperg you are.
>>150241310>>150241334Neoncaffeine
>>150241417I think he's made that pretty clear over the years
>>150238082I enjoyed it, but I feel like Pan needs to spend more time animating and drawing, and also to crack open some books.7/10. I hope it gets picked up.
>>1502386547/10 when most of what you note are cons?>>150239381Bianca is CUTE!
>>150238479Can you stop being racist so I can enjoy your videos again?
>>150238479PAN RELEASE THE FLASH FILE AS A STANDALONE AND ILL DRAW YOU PORN OF WHATEVER CHARACTER YOU WANT
>>150240886I do genuinely love how autistic it is, like watching a mid-budget 90s OVA where complete creative control was handed to the strangest faggots imaginable
>>150238479Hi Pan, if this is really you I just wanna say hi.
>>150238479Pan, there's a lot to compliment in this pilot, but the writing is not very good, and brings the whole thing down for me. You should have introduced the characters and worldbuilding in a less frantic way, and it's not fully clear what their intentions and goals are.Otherwise, congratulations for bringing your project to life. This fellow beaner wishes you the best, and hopes you publish more regular videos in the meantime.
>>150241554Beaners can't be racist.
>>150239226Autistic Numbers UpdateBad News IRL FansLooks like the videos views are starting to slow down as the pace has dropped from the steady 3.5k view per hour to 3.3k views. Unless Pan has a large EU or Asian audience or a large youtuber shouts him out at the rate it looks like he will fall just outside of the low end on getting expected views on a pilot for a channel of his size.
Alright where's the Dropbox
>>150241735How much does he realistically need to continue his cartoon?
>>150241762Typically people consider pilots pulling views in the millions to be considered worth continuingIf not then he's hoping a studio picks up so that he can continue it
>>150241808How much does the show cost? If he manages to make more money than it costs he could keep making it
>>150241849He said it cost about $15k Pretty cheap for a pilot
>>150241539>7/10 when most of what you note are cons?Pan is grading himself on the IGN scale.
>>150238082If held at gunpoint would you rather watch this, Catching Up or Wastelandia?
>>150241920I haven't heard of the other two but they sound gayer than this somehow
>>150238479Hi Pan>>150239073Faggot
>>150241920This oneI can at least say it's creative when it comes to it's visuals an is trying to ape the keeping trying message of Jump manga
>>150241762>>150241849The Pilot cost 15000$ and checking with the robot youtube add revenue in the US for animation is 3-7$ per thousand views on the low end with youtube taking a 45% cut.By my own math, as of now the vid is at 34k which translates to 10200-23800$ before youtube takes their cut leaving it from anywhere between 5610-13090$.Then you take the Federal and Massachusetts cut of 5% leaving us with 5329.5-9690$ from the pilot as of now.So he would need about 102k views to break even on the low end and 51k views on the high end.
>>150242051Also turn out that depednign on the genera of video the payout id different with gaming averaging out 1$ per 1k views.
>>150242088*out that depending on the type he payout is different
>>150242051So he’s almost there? Good for him
>>150242051He has a Patreon too
>>150242051>youtube takes half the cutthe fuck?
>>150241539For me, 7/10 is entertaining enough to finish but it can do better. 8's is entertaining but think about the story too much and it falls apart. 9's and 10's are masterpieces.
>>150241970They’re so much gayer and unbearable>>150241920This hands down. Wastelandia was only six minutes yet felt ten times longer.
>>15024225010 is a masterpiece9 is it's close to being a masterpiece but is missing something to get it there
>>150241629I'm not Pan but I'll say hi back to you anyway: hi :)
>>150242324I heard he moved out of Texas last year, this true?
>>150241760wondering that too
>>150242051Youtube absolutely does not pay out that high for an algorithmically irrelevant channel.
>>150241760>>150242366>>150238479https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4USw8xxFj1U
>>150238440There's a point early on where the main girl literally has animated scratchy lines for effect. It's literally the one thing you needed not to fucking do!!!>>150238172The two "girls" who are the main character's friends are credited to two different people, but they're obviously fucking Pan. I looked up their names afterward and according to the Pan Pizza wiki they're his little sisters and they love incest? What the fuck is this guy's problem???
>>150242443>What the fuck is this guy's problemHe's from a different time
>>150242051>>150242088>>150242119I misread the data for CPM (What the companies pay for their adds) to RPM (What the creator still has after YouTube takes their cut.So pan is actually at the 10200-23800$ range my bad.To makeup for it here is the list of known YouTube genre and the amount you can get from itCategory Estimated RPM Estimated CPMLow Shorts RPM $0.01 $0.02Typical Shorts RPM $0.05 $0.09High Shorts RPM $0.08 $0.15Music $0.75 $1.36Entertainment / Pets & Animals $1.00 $1.82Gaming $2.50 $4.55People & Blogs / How To & Style $3.50 $6.36Education $5.00 $9.09Digital Marketing / Finance (lower bound) $8.00 $14.55Digital Marketing / Finance (upper bound) $20.00 $36.36>>150242394Its based off of https://analyzify.com/statsup/youtubeThe more popular your channel the closer you are to he top end so Pan is closer to 2-3$ rangeAlso he lives in Boston now so that costs money and Pan goes 1-3 months between videos.>>150242159Based on these numbers he is nto making more than 500$ a month off that thing
>>150238082This was just nothing
>>150242675Then why is there a video?
>>150238197>Do you think Pan will try to gun for a second episode?Given how he was stylizing this with pre/post commercial break bumpers, it seems like he REEEEALLY wants this to be picked up by Adult Swim. That ain't happening. I think he'll want to make another episode, but unless someone is fully financing it and giving him a competent team to help make it happen, I seriously doubt we'll see another episode of this. At most we'll get a couple super short clips with endless promises that episode 2 is coming, but we'll never actually see that.
>>150242874>endless promises that episode 2 is coming, but we'll never actually see that.I don't knowWe all thought this wasn't coming out but 4 years later here it is
>>150238335it honestly turned out way better than I thought it would. I don't think this is going to blow up in the way that he hoped, but good on him for having a vision, learning the stuff he needed to learn, finding people to help, and making it go. People like to talk a lot of shit, but Pan actually had an idea and made it happen which is more than the majority of people in this world can say.
>>150238866> The background characters might aswell have been voiced by TTS or AI.Major respect to him for not going that route. So many anons would take shortcuts like that and it would fucking suck. I'd heavily prefer listening to Pan's autistic speech mannerisms over listening to a more "polished" sounding soulless clanker.
>>150238926said like someone who doesn't ever edit audio of any sort of complexity whatsoever. Audacity is fucking great but it's meant for quick fixes, not heavy editing.
>>150241920Loki IRL is overcomplicated but at least it's something with a lot of unique style and a creator who has passion.Wastelandia is nothing special but at least the art is good and characters are cute.Catching Up is a terrible pile of shit made by a zoomer larping as a cartoonist who can't actually draw or write and just wanted the clout of making a cartoon.
>all these fucking losers discussing views and comparisons to other pilotsDo you guys know that some people make art because they just...want to?
>>150238082I'm watching it again but it's super cringy and cliche. Like the bitch does nothing but wonder if she should use the button.He needs help with that script because Loki is super inconsistent, its basically just pan, and the girl is pan too. and everyone is pan...
>>150243143Don't mistake stubborn obsession for passion.
>>150243173Not in this instanceMaking a cartoon is sink or swim If he didn't care about views then he should have continued with his webcomic
>>150242925This was the big payoff, though. I think the idea was to push through to do the pilot and hope that it gets enough momentum to get the attention of Adult Swim. It's kind of like if you bust your ass at work because you're gunning for a big promotion. If you get passed over for it, you could keep working super hard or it could be kind of demoralizing and you fuck off. Either way, kudos to him for seeing it through.
>>150243206Both are the same really
>>150241920Loki IRL is 10 minutes longer than Catching Up and somehow still feels shorter.Watching Catching Up is like pulling teeth.
>>150243143I'm glad that we can all agree that Catching Up was complete dogshit. I think the only one that was worse was the one made by Daft Peñis who somehow has the balls to continue reviewing cartoons despite showing us what his personal ideal is.
>>150243283I can also respect Pan for not front loading the cast with e-celebs. What is the point of having Sr Pelo there? Or Chris and Zach? Or Scott The Woz?
>>150238082Plot was pretty overstuff, but goddammit, he really did a great job at developing his characters
>>150243361>What is the point of having Sr Pelo there? Or Chris and Zach? Or Scott The Woz?Mark wants internet fame first over actually making something for the passion of it
>>150243361You know what the point was. He sucks so he tried to dazzle the audience with the closest thing he could get to "star power".
Why does loki turn into a green mexican when he isn't fighting and why is he just Beetlejuice?
>>150243530You can call Pan a lot of things but a passionless hack isn't one of them. Loki has a lot of problems but it isn't a generic slopjob the creator paid other people to make for him like mark's pilot.
>>150243576That's his conserve power form The comic explained that he's a redesign of a Japanese anime character from an old notebook, iirc he's supposed to originally be a violent hero but the american redesign made him a wacky villain
>>150241322>the podcast was betterHave you actually given that shit a relisten? Yeah theres good moments but it became genuine sludge. I much prefer him talking about obscure games over hearing that shit again.
>>150243671>The comic explained that he's a redesign of a Japanese anime character from an old notebook, iirc he's supposed to originally be a violent hero, but the American redesign made him a wacky villainFiddly-ass little backstory ain'tcha.
>>150239043That's what I like to call unchecked animator humor.
>>150243905I find it interesting
So has this board's opinion on this show turned around?
>>150243173>they just...want to?He wants a series on network television.
>>150244241The consensus so far seems to be that it's alright and didn't turn out as bad as people expected
>>150244290Why would he want a series on network television? TV is dead and more people are watching internet content than beforeWhy would he want to sell his show to some Company that would them probably cancel it immediately alas Making Fiends
>>150244362Because it's his dream and he saw how Smiling friends got onto adult swim so he wants that too
>>150243173anon, Pan has been pretty candid about wanting a show. He LARPed having a Mortal Kombat spinoff and literally pitched Loki IRL to Adult Swim where he proceeded to tell Genndy Tartakovsky and Mike Lazzo TO THEIR FACES that humans could bone cartoons in his show. Yes, some creators make things with no hopes and/or dreams of getting it picked up, but that is pretty far off the mark when it comes to Pan.
>>150243905How would you have done it, lad?
>>150244462>he proceeded to tell Genndy Tartakovsky and Mike Lazzo TO THEIR FACES that humans could bone cartoons in his show.It really ain’t that big of a deal. Genndy was a good sport throughout the whole thing and talked about the sex part earnestly to Pan and was like “yeah sex is a real drive, it’s a human thing and it can be a legitimate motivation for a character in the show, just make sure it’s clear and easy to follow”.Fuckin hell Genndy made Fixed for godsake, he’s not some judgemental puritan.
>>150244362>Why would he want a series on network televisionPrestige. Anyone can make some shit on the internet. Getting something on TV (or legit streaming network) is extremely difficult so it feels like a much greater accomplishment if you manage to make it happen. Also, budgets are WAY fucking better for TV
>>150244362>Why would he want a series on network television?Networking and such.Even if the series flops - he can be kept around as a editor and such for promos and ads.
Honestly I'm glad he got it out of his chest.Because it's not going anywhere else.
Whatever problems this very issue filled cartoon has, it's better than LS Mark's generic crap that only got popular because of his fanbase. At least Pan animated a lot of this himself, even if he can't act or write worth a shit.
>>150244602>Genndy was a good sport throughout the whole thingYeah man, it's called being polite and professional. As soon as Pan said it, you could see the whole room be like "uh...wtf" and then that one [AS] bro dude awkwardly tried to recover by asking him follow up questions. Fixed was a film about a dog getting his balls removed. That was central to the plot and sex would have been appropriate to discuss during a pitch. Humans being able to fuck cartoons had virtually NOTHING to do with Pan's pokemon ripoff. Choosing to mention that in a pitch (and make a specific slide for it in your presentation) is fucking weird. You see the difference, right?
>>150244687> and such> and such
>>150238441Should the rest of the gang be other people who made pilots? If so, then Trevor Moore is Psychic Peebles or OneyNG.
>>150238082It is shit and Pan's devolved into a tranny fucking weirdo over the years. Izzy really did ruin him. He got some dumpy little goth girl then she trooned out on him. All the people saying adult swim won't want this they might actually with all the gay Mexicans they have hired lately in between women wearing shoulder pads and royal crackers.
>>150245449I didn't understand a word of that
Someone in the last thread said it best but most positive reception to this is def from longtime fans who are just proud and happy the #starvingkidwantscartoon made a cartoon himself than the actual cartoon being good.That said I did enjoy it. My biggest gripes being the exposition and Pan doing so many voices himself. You come out asking questions but not because of some mystery but because it's a damn puzzle how this world actually works7 out of 10, wish Moodgurl was in it
>>150245459El Maricion senior Caffeine
>>150245473I'd say the negative reception is also from fans of pan as wellThey know his bread and butter and see that he hasn't improved in the years
>>150245490Much better
>>150245459Pan got groomed into being a homo and fell off. Despite this mediocre Mexican homosexual coded content is in at adult swim right now.
>>150243173Pan you're coping hard. It's not like you shout out any indie animations anymore and your art sucks ass. You don't have the network or the skill. Trash this and do something else. I say this as someone who has followed you for a good 13 years on and off
>>150244952Making the conscious choice to spend 15 years making a movie about dog testicals is weird let's not try to sugarcoat that
>>150238312Didn't it like get $200 by adult swim tho?So he might get it picked up by them? I doubt it tho.
Bianca's designed peaked with the long hair and pointy hat. Guess he kept changing it because he wanted her to be one of those girl failures and the old one was too pretty.
>>150244462why does everyone forget Mike Lazzo greenlit a show about a talking ass who fights crime and a satanic dog that rapes people and kills them
>>150245608The current curator of content wants more LGBT Latin coded content right now. If he doesn't get it now he won't ever.
>>150245499a lot of the negative reception on here is because people on here are fucking insane and have a massive crabs in the bucket mentality don't forget all the people who larped as industry insiders or friends with the voice actors on here before hazbin came out saying how it was "cancelled" and vivziepop had been thrown out of her own project, like entire threads filled with that stuff.
>>150245625No he made it look more like on of his Tranny associates. Pan doesn't hang around real girls anymore just boys who turn to girls and girls who turn to boys.Ken was right
>>150239331Freddy got Fingered is actually cool and good.
>>150245634probably we didn't see the pitch where the director described his idea in the most cringe way imaginable
Can someone explain the Genndy pitch thing to me? Did he get funding from Adult Swim?
>>150245650Jesus Christ you are such a coping fag now this is why you fell off people here used to welcome you with open arms. Go rant on X and delete in 5 min like you always do
>>150245683Pan pitched on pitch meeting an old adult swim stream where nothing was ever greenlit and they junk made fun of autist. It's on YouTube somewhere. Pan wasn't even notable as the cringe one that other guy who pitched to Psychicpebbles was worse. It was just kind of awkward like most of the call ins nothing special nothing terrible just mediocre
>>150245683Pan went on a podcast where creators pitch their ideas to adult swim and Genndy was one of the guys on there and Pan asked him he'd fuck a cartoonIt says in the credits he got funding from them
>>150245639how is YOLO LGBT latin coded?
>>150245723Nonsense they didn't fund it or it would've been in Smalls. If they did fund it it was so bad they didn't want it for either of the variety shows. >Actually have pitched shit
>>150245723Genndy then stole his idea and made Fixed
>>150245723>Pan asked him if he'd fuck a cartoonStarting to think /co/ hates him solely because he's just raw, unfiltered cartoon autism. Your reflection is scary when it looks back huh
>>150245762It isn't in my opinion, but in a recent meeting with warner they showed it to us on a slide show saying we want more female coded properties and the room was full of Jews and Mexicans. I know you people don't ever watch anything or read the credits
>>150245773Genndy apparently had Fixed as an idea since the 2000's
>>150245625I like this bianca too but i dunno how her design scream someone who is into cartoons. Heck the first time i saw this design and loki's , i thought she was like his lackey.
>>150245798Hearing your voice crack through a 4chan post in embarrassing.
I like the drone phones. Phone drones?
>>150245798That's more what people talk about I think it was fine if you're going fully into it
>>150245625
>>150245801I'm looking at the credits for the first episode and no one on it has a jew or beaner name
>>150245848They are neat worldbuilding thing. Just need a tiny camera circle(s) to make feel authentic
>>150245855I think the claim that he hasn't improved in a decade is insane. The main issue I think he has is hyperfocusing on curating an "artstyle" before mastering the basics. Something something Picasso quote
>>150245855I do sort of really miss Loki's old look. His face practically resembles something more like a Evangelion head and his body had that whole Grim from Billy and Mandy thing going on
>>150245884Jason Ruiz Seth Cohen Gonzolo Cordova Y O L.O is Cusack's baby he is the new Justin they basically had Justin train him and then set him up to take over that whole part of the operation.Jews like to change their names go look up early life.https://press.wbd.com/na/property/women-wearing-shoulder-padsCreated by Gonzalo Cordova (a veteran of “Tuca & Bertie” and “Adam Ruins Everything”) and produced by the Mexican animation studio Cinema Fantasma, the series comes Women Wearing Shoulder pads. Wow it took me 2 minutes to show you're full of shit probably cause you read as well as a you draw
One thing I'm surprised that was in the comic but not in the pilot was the thing that was essentially the same was as the Digimodify stuff from Digimon season 3. I guess that was what the Line of Action stuff was meant to be
>>150245655What did Ken say?
Is it a hot take to say this did the whole Shonen angle better than Invincible Fight Girl?
>>150245762YOLO is toxic yuri
God i love nerd girls like bianca.
>>150241920I watched all three and Pan's, despite being the longest, surprisingly never made me contemplate closing the tab. Catching Up pissed me off with how uninspired and tonally ambiguous it was. Wastelandia was just woke slop. Side note: I commend Pan for the "PG" rating and not relying on profanity like most indie pilots. It shows he has SOME level of competency and could hypothetically work within exec oversight.
>>150238082its embarrassing, and i say that as a years long fan of his youtube channelthe comic while cool to look at (i guess), has an autistic premise that gets sloppier the more focus it's givenpan is delusional about the pilot voices, and is convinced non-viewers won't notice the reused voicesi hate to say any of this but must accept in my heart that the fucker has selective self awareness
I really liked the animation for when Bianca tried Full Bleed at the start but fucked it up. It was too good to be Pan so I guess it was one of the shots he outsourced.
>>150245524>Pan got groomed into being a homo and fell off.Proof or I don't believe you.>"Despite this mediocre Mexican homosexual coded content is in at adult swim right now."Let me guess, that character is a reverse trap who's a dyke right? If so, then I'm not watching that shit.
>>150246402Okay dude go make another furry video and leech off him some more. It was a years long process if you want to listen to some awful outdated podcasts you can start around episode 30ish and go to today. https://youtu.be/sG6GkMSytoo https://youtu.be/S_qC_KvfvvA
>>150246160>is it a hot take to argue [corporate garbage] was out done by a mexican weaboo's efforts?Not in the least. Frankly it'd be concerning if it wasnt the case.
What would your IRL animation gimmick be?I call dibs on Svankmajer food stop motion
>>150246402They’re all lesbians. It’s a good show.
>>150246548I was under the impression it didn't have to always be a animation technique, it could also be a homage to a existing series.
>>150246160Probably because>chubby nerdy MC fujos can relate to>being paired with skinny man who unconditionally supports herpaired with it being an underdog story and being about a /beg/ artist wanting to get gud. There is bits of jank but it adds SOUL. It feels like those doodles you see that's done out of pure enjoyment. I know Pan Pizza is divisive and has weird autistic shit behind him but fuck it, I'm rooting for him.
>>150245855His early 2010's style is so much more appealing.
>>150245855>>150245625im sorry, everything im seeing of this show screams style over substance and even then, the "style" is a massive crutch
>>150241354I didnt know Ken was a /co/mrade
>>150245855>>150245625Maaan this was the best version of her. Fuck you for taking this away pan.
>>150241354>She’s using you for clout and she’ll probably try to cancel you.Whats the chance of Pan getting Saberspark'ed?
>>150243193I suppose that's what it means to create art without having much life experience. You can't draw on much of anything, so your work shallowly apes the pop culture you consume without speaking to any deeper human truths. Many such cases!
>>150247559Boy can't wait to see what gen alpha would create if their life experience is skibidi toilet
If you could make a IRL what artform would you choose for it?
I accidentaly typed "loli irl" in the search bar and hit enter, now I'm afraid Google is going to send glowies after me.
>>150241920wastelandia, better art direction, better executed pacing, shorter, izzzyzzz just needs a better writer
>>150247646Traditional, I'm basic like thatI still wanna know if there's like a limit to how many IRL's one person can have. I feel like the forgone conclusion to the series would be Bianca making her own IRL not just borrowing Loki anymore.
>>150247873Izzzyzzz got a great team and made a cool looking short, agreed, she just needs a better writer.
First indie animation to make one Lokillion Dollars
>>150247873I still think it's can be improved into at least an 8/10 show based on what came out of the pilot
>>150247850lmao get in
>>150246354Any time the animation is better than those first couple minutes, any time there's any 3d on screen, and any time a shot doesn't look like a first pass animatic, someone else made it.
>>150238082I wish him the best, but i fear for the worst, he's channel is clearly broken, 400k subs for 8 years, that's not natural, i fear that we'll hurt his chances dramatically
>>1502461601) Fight Girl had a piss-poor understanding of shounen fightin' series, pro wrestling, and anime in general2) Pan's shit is no better in any way, but any similarities to shounen anime are likely accidental, because he's too much of a pretentious fag to appreciate any shounen fightin' series
>>150246402>Proof or I don't believe you.
>>150247646Stop motion. Or late 80s Anime OVA.
>>150247200That's because that's exactly what it is.
>>150247850Don't worry they're legal in Japan.
>>150248595Pretty cool
>>150238082I regret to not being able to say something this high effort sucks but it kinda does. The character design is too cartoony for it's own good. It did get a couple chuckles out of meI sincerely hope no one masturbates to this.
>>150248983>no one masturbates to thisAnon...
>>150238082My biggest issue with the style is that Pan clearly tried way too hard to "develop" it and make it quirky, and forgot that it's supposed to be visually appealing, but it's just not. The characters are too exaggerated, they barely even look human, and their shapes are difficult to read. I'm watching season 2 of PSG right now, and it's pretty amazing how much better the same exact techniques look when they're used by animators who don't overindulge.
>>150248983Well now I wanna do it out of spite.
>>150249173If you do bianca , give her a fat ass.
>>150249173>lace trim pantiesNice
>>150247873>>150248161It genuinely would not be hard for Wastelandia to be good, I kinda feel bad for Izzzyzzz because with a better script people wouldn't have been so harsh.Catching Up deserves to be shit all over because LS Mark is a cunt.
>>150248336I feel like this can only get up to a true 8/10 if Pan steps away from the VA and gets a co-writer, but I don't think he's willing to do either ATP
>>150249246>>150249253Those are Pan's drawings not mine
>>150238197>Did it flop or did it go for you?My feelings are pretty mixed tbqh but it probably will end up flopping due to demonetization>Do you think Pan will try to gun for a second episode? He already put this much effort into it. It'd have to flop pretty hard to break his spirit>Is this setting even remotely salvageable?Yes. It just needs some more world building and the power system needs to actually be explained. I see why he didn't want to bog down the emotional story he was trying to tell with that type of autism but I'd still like to see it be fleshed out beyond "draw a guy and he'll come to life">Would you wanna fuck an IRL? And if so, what style of IRL you going for first?Yes. I'd make her a 3D gender bent Frankenstein
So you people are telling me you like this shit now? Have we just gone full contrarian circle now on Pan fucking Pizza? Also how the fuck is his new designs any better than the originals?
>>150249398>So you people are telling me you like this shit now? Have we just gone full contrarian circle now on Pan fucking Pizza?We're in an era where people keep making these indie shows that just feel the same as bland Netflix shit we'd get from Hollywood anyway. I don't think Loki IRL is great but I'm glad it's someone's pure, unfiltered autisitc pet project that isn't trying to be some magical girl anime calarts hugbox shit.
>>150238479Is the pegging video going to be in there?
>>150238663Man children are probably his target demographic
>>150238082kind of a complete gross mess, nothing meshes together and its really halfbaked on the wholethe rules to irls should be cut and dry but theyre weirdly complicated (are they their own separate beings or just extensions of the artist, why does the artist need to do only some specific actions for them) and cant help but repeat the issue on how the super stylized and wacky humans only really blur the line between whats a human and whats an irl (not even mentioning that they break the 1 rule they made of sketch lines vs clean lines repeatedly) the bonkers comparison is a good way to put italso the thing about motion capture/rotoscope (which is such a weird fucking thing to mix up and mesh together by the way) being the overrarching bad anti-art thing of this is so dated and stupid, especially with how shit it looked in practice as an attempt to look menacingi think the general idea is atleast kinda sound (your drawings come to life and some people fight them) but it needs so much more polishing and another draft to be worth anything
>>150245771They kinda sorta technically funded it. On that pitch show, apparently the top 3 pitches got a cash award. There were only like 4 pitches so pan snuck in there despite the awful pitch. He got $200. Saying that they helped partially fund it is a technicality and makes it sound more grandiose and official than it was.
>>150249500That's like saying when I tip a waitress who writes a movie script that I am investing into her her work kek
>>150238082skibidi toilets better
>>150239217It was super fucking jarring to hear that goddamn radio edit of Life on the Line. I didn't even know there WAS a clean version of that track
>the biggest complaint Genndy and Mike had about his AS pitch is that it has no overarching narrative, and he couldn't even come up with a few random episode plots>years later, he amends that>by introducing a fucking shonen tournament arcBravo, Pan. At least you could say you went with the most Mexican option possible.
>>150249394> and the power system needs to actually be explainedPan, I know you”re reading this. When anon said that he didn’t mean to literally explain it. Try to create a scene where the audience can get how it works without having a character or voiceover literally spell it out to the audience directly.
>>150249541You’re not investing in it unless you’re expecting to make money on the script as well, but you are technically “funding” it.
>>150238082I hate the creator so much that I will actively avoid it.
>>150249641The best part is that he had the tournament arc as a thing before the AS stream, he just fumbled that hard.
>>150249641No, the biggest complaint is that he couldn’t boil down what the heart of the story was. Genndy used the example that it’s like saying finding Nemo is about the ocean, but it’s really a story about a father’s relationship with his son and learning to let go. Pan couldn’t understand that then and he still doesn’t understand this now. What is the heart of Loki IRL?
What's Loki's backstory anyways? Did Bianca just doodle him without a story to back him up?
Genndy spending several years trying to make a movie about dog balls is equal in embarrassment to Pan having one cringe moment on a stream 6 years ago.
>>150247559>>150247559Im glad the autist is "succeeding" but he needs to grow up.
>>150249787In the original comic she actually bought his character referrence sheet at a comic expo to use for herself but discovered that he actually has an infamous history that was meant to be revealed later in the series with a shadowy group trying to hunt him down for some prophercy pr plan as well as another IRL who supposedly used to work with Loki or who came from the same artist.
>>150249910>or plan*
>>150249746It takes a long time to get to its point, but it’s learning to build confidence in yourself. Bianca is a shy insecure artist who tries to make it in a world that can be pretty cruel to her.
Was already disliking Pan for his obvious white hatred and tranny pegging, but now I truly hope this ruins him. Worthless autist should've kept it a web comic. Anyone who has ever been interested in him was purely for nostalgia reasons. Now that his personality is his only substance, no one fucking cares Pan. KYS.
>>150249811Can we say that Pan won by having the better animated project this year?
>>150244241People are realizing just how impressive it is that other pilots have sucked more and been shorter. Even tho it's padded with bumpers and ads it's still impressive on flow since Pan is a remarkable editor. Still everyone can agree he needs to either tighten up the concept or EXPLAIN IT THROUGH A COMIC. OK KO would have been 10 times more popular if it didn't use comedy as a crutch for the writing short comings when they did something serious. You're not gonna get fans if the biggest fanatic for the show is the creator. You need to brush up with what does and doesn't work with writing
>>150241424>Neoncaffeine>>150241334>Pan dated a tranny for a whilefirst im hearing of this, had to go see for my self and damn... pan fucked this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IeX6hPvxhI&ab_channel=MomoCon
I am surprised no one has posted "that" photo yet of Pan
Kind of a difficult watch, LOTS of bad, stilted animation and bad decisions, but a lot of really hype moments, interesting visual choices, and excellent animation too. The presentation was occasionally very stylish. Made me laugh a few a fair bit which is good.The art quality varies a lot - his style looks wonderful sometimes for still frames but often poorly when it's animated in that stilted way. The general concept is very unclear and it could have done with a lot more refining, but I know Pan's had this concept for well over a decade so he's probably pretty married to a lot of it too much to change it, and the final episode definitely suffers for it. Would definitely have preferred a greater visual contrast between humans and IRLs.Also he literally cannot reign himself in from adding his own goth girl fetishes and blatant taste in entertainment into every fucking character. Someone should've reigned him in much more but clearly no one involved did.Ultimately I'm glad he finally got this out and would watch a second episode or a show, albeit not without complaining a lot, but I would never recommend it to anyone who isn't already a long time Pan Pizza fan.
Glitch picking this up would probably do ot justice.
Numbers Autism UpdateSorry for being so screwy last update I was exhausted and needed to sleep. Now that I'm rested here is the next update.18 hours in and things have crawled to a halt with the pilot looking to get around 50k views by the end of the night.30k less that the expected minimum for his subcount but enough that even on the low end of estimations will make back its budget in the day.
>>150238140>>150238312LMAO!!!!!!>>150238441Idk. Here are my choices:Trevor Moore = OneyNGZack Creggar = PsychicPebblesSam Brown = Lyle McDouchebagDarren Trumeter = Michael Cusack
>>150238479>Yeah dude, Pan fucking sucks lmaofoaoaoso-OH HEY PAN, yeah your animation rocked dude! I can't WAIT to see more of it!Lol what a bunch of wimps.
>>150249982>I'm a gigantic bitch who feels like the victim in everything I doThis isn't your blog anon, no need to be so personal
>>150241084Loki definitely mogs Monkey Wrench and Catching Up, at least that's what I think. Catching Up is all over the place too and Monkey Wrench is just a Cowboy Bebop rip off without the kino art and animation.
>>150241920Wastelandia fucking suckssss.Loki IRL
>>150246521>Okay dude go make another furry video and leech off him some more. It was a years long process if you want to listen to some awful outdated podcasts you can start around episode 30ish and go to today.Ok bro, chill.>https://youtu.be/sG6GkMSytoo>StevDamn. I first started listening to the podcasts back in 2016. I miss the older podcasts.>https://youtu.be/S_qC_KvfvvAOh, it's a FtM trans person. I thought that it was a MtF trans person at first.>>150246796>They’re all lesbians. It’s a good show.I'm sure it is, but no thanks. I personally want to see reverse traps that are heterosexual and flirt with the guys.>>150248571>those scar marksOh god.
>>150249128>the way all the lines curve up into points while still being elegant, clear, and readable instantly>the flat color graphic design style backgrounds that don't turn into noise but are recognizeable as a set with a defined palette that doesnt fight for your attention away from the characters>even has garterbelt looking like an abstract shape in the background but his design is so bold and simple that it just fucking works and looks cool Its a little insane that pan started this project when panty and stocking S1 dropped, and by the time he finished he picked the worst time to release it when S2 finally shows up and mogs it in every way its possible to get mogged. The student trying to copy the dead master only for the old master to rise out of the grave.
>>150245634>greenlit a show about a talking assAssy mcgee?
>>150250474>pan started this project when panty and stocking S1 droppedWhen you put it like that, that's pretty grim.
>>150250302>no need to be so personalThen why is your "show" entirely about you admitting to how badly you want to fuck your little sissSsster? Pan, no one fucking cares about you unless they're as, if not more, retarded than you. Only reason I'm here is to watch your eventual crash out. Continue, this is the only form of entertainment you're good at, after all.
>>150249910>reading thisHuh?? Just keep it simple, Bianca created him so she can fight other IRLs, that's it. What a convoluted backstory.
>>150250122Pan looks so awkward there lol
>>150238082I couldn't make it through the first minute without laughing so hard in confusion at the sheer nonsense this shit is trying to portray as interesting4th wall breaking in the writing is also a big no no if you want to be taken seriously
>>150250596Yeah but muh mysterious backstory anon, EVERY cartoon needs that! After all that's what adventure time or steven universe did at the time of writing the comic!
>>150250612There are worse photos and vids out there of him
>>150238082The premise is there and can be competently executed but the art style is just wack, human characters should be less stylized.
>>150250596I think Loki being a design she bought because she lacks confidence and skill as an artist, could tie into to an interesting arc of Bianca growing into her own and eventually either making Loki truly her own, or growing past him.But all the cult shit is way to much.
>>150238082is it me or does anyone else find Bianca unlikable? like damn bitch you gotta show me a reason to be on your side before being the most whiny person on the planet
>>150238082It's not the worst but I have a bunch of problems with it:1. What exactly do most of the IRL's creators do during the fight? With the Rotoscope character's creators, we at least do see them control their movements with their suits but what exactly is Bianca doing when she's drawing on her tablet? Guiding Loki's the attacks when he strikes?2. Even though the show tells us about the differentiation between IRLs and non-IRLs, it's kinda hard to tell what's what with that animation style. It's the same problem that Bonkers had. Pan should have made a more unique style for the non-IRL characters.Another thing (albeit it's a minor thing):>"The Cartoon Club">"and Manga too"I'm sure this entire project was thought up since the early 2010s by Pan, but man has this idea aged kinda horribly since more people (mostly younger people) irl nowadays have been choosing anime/manga over most western animation and comics in general. He should have just changed it to "The Animation and Art Club".
>>150250652I can't bring myself to hate her because she is an absolute null when put against Loki as her deuteragonist. Like at this point in the show she exists to make Loki cooler and also limit him.
>>150250666>1It is essentially just guiding the IRLs. It is not direct control per say but more so blocking out their manuvers.>2This is actually something that has been brought up for a long time but Pan has disregarded due to it requiring him to actually learn how to draw outside of his style.
>>150250708>It is essentially just guiding the IRLs. It is not direct control per say but more so blocking out their manuvers.You mean kinda like a DS or 3DS game (say Mario&Luigi games) where you have to, say, swipe the screen numerous times to increase the effect of an attack or defensive maneuver?>This is actually something that has been brought up for a long time but Pan has disregarded due to it requiring him to actually learn how to draw outside of his style.Does he have trouble doing that? I understand if he does because learning to draw is not easy (hell I get frustrated because I strive to hard to be perfect).
>>150250671This.
>>150250773NTA but Pan has historically dismissed drawn work that doesn't appeal to this exact sensibility and outside of the two turn of Scud the Disposable As sasin and Johnny the Homicidal Manic, is entirely a full animation guy who doesn't like reading in general.Because of this he has actively rejected learning any fundamentals and instead built his style entirely off of early 2000s graphic design.In other words his style is a copy of a copy with no grounding to the core.
>>150250666>1. i think its an illc conceived not very clear as to make as creators controlling the line of action like the sketch's line of actionlike not saying it WORKS but its definitely what he had in mind when conveying movement.they basically just drawing a dynamic movement in their notebooks or pads.
>>150250773I think that's the closest and best example. It's a weird system for sure and it does open up weird questions around IRL autonomy but I think it is by and large augmentive rather than like, say, pokemon where you order and control every move.As for artsyle >>150250809 is on point. Pan has a massive fixation on what he sees as Y2K style cartoons and pop art and has been drawing like that for years. He has made it his entire brand and schtick as far back as his tumblr days, but because he has made it his indentity he does not actually know how to draw outside of it.
>>150238082I liked it. Solid 6/10. I got pretty bored past the 10 minute mark. Though. Pan should have made these 15 minute episodes instead of 30. I also wish Pan didnt voice so many main characters. It's distracting. Lip syncing was also off and Pan really didn't do that animation for Loki justice with his VA performance. Loki is actually pretty cool. I like his Aku look when hes fighting. The artstyle is also great. I like his use of colors and the thick outlines look great. Way better than the Loki IRL webcomic which looks like a mess of color and lines. The main chicken could probably be workshops a bit. Feels like a girl written by a guy if you know what I mean. Just believe in yourself and self doubt stuff. Its just really boring and generic. I can see Pan juat dropping Loki IRL after this and moving on. Hope he makes more short form stuff after this so he can release animations a little more regularly.
>>150238479why was this deleted
>>150245583He didn't spend 15 years making it. He had the idea awhile back but it was on the backburner until the last few years when it actually went into production. That said, it doesn't compare. Making a film about a bawdy topic is not the same as making something that essentially is a spinoff of a kids cartoon with no other lewd or adult aspects to it but hey, if you want to you can fuck any of the characters. You understand why that's creepier, don't you? And you'd also understand why in one situation, it would be appropriate to talk about dog balls when the show you're having a business meeting about is to discuss a film about dog balls, but talking about boning characters in a business meeting about what is otherwise a pretty straight forward pokemon ripoff is fucked behavior, right?
>>150238172I usually have no problem with one person voicing most characters, but Pan isn't even trying to do different voices half the time and he's terrible as a voice actor
>>150238392for how much they say IRLs stand out from humans, the artstyle makes it hard to distinguish
Besides loki and maybe the dragon ball parody guy, which irls and humans can be confusing? Everyone else looks distinct.
>>150238082It's better than I would have expected. The animation is good for the budget and clever given it's limitations, the boarding and editing and colors are good too. The sound is the most amateur part of it, and I think Pan works better as a concept artist than character designer. If it ever got picked up his designs would have to get cleaned up by an experienced character designer to make the humans and toons more easy to differentiate. I think it would have worked better shorter though. 30 minutes is asking for a lot from zoomers. Pan could have divided it up into 6 shorts at 5 minutes each and instead of calling the project a pilot he could have called it a mini series. Then he isn't a guy who just made a pilot, he's a guy that delivered a 6 episode mini series. He could have also divided it into 3 episodes at 10 minutes each.I think if he'd had shown it to Genndy he would have liked it. I think there's actual potential to this even if it isn't my cup of tea, but I also think it suffers because it's releasing in a post Hazbin world where people expect pilots to be super polished and nearly TV ready.
>>150250981I want you figure out the cannonically half IRLs and the actual fully human characters.Hint:there is no real distinction. It's arbitrary
>>150238082This just feels like pan commenting over cartoon footage and the pacing is awful
I'd give this a 7/10 if the intention is to simulate brain damage from too much internet exposure, otherwise 4/10
>>150251002>Half irlsThose aren't a thing in the pilot unless i forgot a part.
>>150249246nta but how fat you want that shit anon?
>Anything I do my IRL doesThat's....motion captureThat's fucking motion capture not rotoscoping
>>150251080Hmm, good.
>>150251080Aye thats neatThanks
>>150245608Anon, let's not get ahead of ourselves. In this case the top 3 "winners" were the least dog-shit of the batch, but that does not mean any of them were actually good. Still, nobody is picking up ideas because they like it. They pick up ideas of it has metrics that prove there's a public demand. For adult swim to have any interest in this whatsoever, the episode would need to break like 1million views in 24 hours. That's the sort of thing that turns executive heads. You could even be generous and say 1 week. Loki IRL is currently at 48k 19 hours after release and the numbers have been slowing down exponentially as time goes on. Even if we pretend that the rate remains steady and won't grind to a halt: 48k / 19 * 24 = 60.63k views per day60.63 * 7 = 424.41k views per weekJust under 500k would be good for a Pan video, but not good enough for anyone at Adult Swim to give a fuck. And remember, This is a hyper ideal number. Most of the people who were interested in watching this have already watched it.
>>150238140I honestly expected Pan to use that clip at some point in his own videos
>>150240886it's similar to Hazbin Hotel in the "give a terminally online Tumblr oc creator complete creative control" waythis pilot is rougher though with the voice acting and sketchiness, so I can't see it blowing up as it is
>>150245634Nobody forgot, but as you stated, the shows were about a talking ass who fights crime and a dog that rapes people and kills them. Talking about asses and violence etc in those contexts is expected because it's a major part of the show. Pan's show is not about fucking cartoons, nor is it about anything else particularly salacious. If it was, it wouldn't be weird to bring it up. Pan's show is about creators having pokemon battles but they draw their monsters instead of capturing them. "Oh, btw, you can totally fuck any of the characters if you want to. Wouldn't you want to live in that world? I know I would."
This is entirely too long, it could've been a 15 minute episode
>>150251065Wait has he retcon'd them now?
>Vitiligo People are still trying to make it mainstream?
>>150250666>t's kinda hard to tell what's what with that animation styleI think it might have helped if they added a really over the top line boil to the IRLs. The "sketchy" lines are difficult to see when everything is so busy and because the colors are all over the place, the supposed neon skin colors of the IRLs doesn't really stand out.
Would Pan resort to one animator from Canada having a shitty janky Flash IRL with fart attacks?
>>150251082And then the rotoscoping didn't even play into the climax of the fight when they went full anime and had someone else animate. So it made the actual rotoscoped points pointless when you couldn't have it fully commit. I would have been really impressed if they kept it actual toon vs a rotoscoped figure like Joel Haver meets Attack on Titan style but, that would have probably been too complicated for Pan to collaborate on
>>150250981The vetiligo girl I thought was an IRL at firstI'm still not sure about the green akin guys?
>>150250861>I got pretty bored past the 10 minute markI honestly fell asleep in my chair by about the 15 minute mark. I finally picked it back up and it got SOOO much better in the 2nd half. It makes me wonder if the 2nd half was where he started picking up more experienced crew members because the style gets a little less visually cluttered, the blocking/editing gets the ADHD toned down a touch so it's still stylized but gives you time to actually process things, and production values are much higher in general. It's like a totally different episode.
>>150251261that would actually be really fucking funny
>>150250666>What exactly do most of the IRL's creators do during the fight? With the Rotoscope character's creators, we at least do see them control their movements with their suits but what exactly is Bianca doing when she's drawing on her tablet? Guiding Loki's the attacks when he strikes?They should make that more clear, they show her drawing the line but the animation doesn't show him follow the actual line
>>150250652>>150250671Making a character constantly hold another (cooler and more hard working) character back is not the best way to make them likable
>>150251367Pan himself has defended Flash as a tool thoughAI shit might be plausible but might be too easy as a petty jabI know one of his pet peeves is sprite animations that have sprites rotate and move around like the modern sprite fights as shown in Death Battle when they started doing puppet animating rather than creating/using entire sprite sheets
>>150251367>One big name animator and their IRL actually cheats with an army of Koreans somewhere else providing back up
Honestly if you showed this to Trigger they'd probably love the concept
>>150251380I genuinely don't understand what her fucking problem is, maybe it's just general artfag mental illness that's hard to relate to if you're not from that environment
>>150251380Likable and unlikable are dumb buzzwords for protagonistsIt doesn't matter if they're "unlikable" what matters is if they're not boring to sit through or unpleasant to be aroundUnlikable != Unpleasant
>>150251427>TriggerThis reminded me of this awful shitpost, kinda similar premise too
>>150251442*unpleasant to watch and listen toShould've said that instead
>>150239520add in some helpings of xiaolin showdown and super monkey team, sprinkle in some xbox/ps2 couch multiplayer aesthetic, and the whole thing feels like a love letter to the early 00s
>>150251442>they're not boring to sit throughShe already failed at this thoughbeit
>>150238082I've got to confess. I really, really enjoyed this.
>>150251462Yeah but I just felt like pointing that out because I fucking detest when people complain about a protagonist being "unlikable"
>>150251486Damn Greg is so fucking based
>up for almost a day now>only 50k viewspanbros... we got mogged by izzzyzzz' slice of life slop
>>150251650I love how the estimate anons were predicting in previous threads was fucking 100k and it has only reached 50k lmao
>>150251383>Pan himself has defended Flash as a tool thoughI think the mark of someone who is confident in their opinions is the ability to support the use of something while simultaneously being able to recognize the critiques and poke fun at it.
>>150251681Yeah but it might be too low hanging fruit and wouldn't hit hard today since flash animation has gotten better so the "Johnny Test/TDI IRL" joke isn't gonna feel relevant
>>150251367>>150251409An aging millennial youtube poop creator copies other IRLs, chops them up, and reassembles them with ear raping jump cuts.
>>150251433>I genuinely don't understand what her fucking problem is,I think Pan knows why she's reluctant to use the wifi, but he forgot to communicate this to his audience in any meaningful way
>>150251479it came around in the 2nd half for me. I really fucking hated the first part, but it was at almost exactly the 15 minute mark that the episode suddenly got a lot better.
>>150251664I didn't see a single person alleging it was going to get 100k in the first day. I think people were predicting it was going to get ~100k views total, and I think that's about right on the money.
>>150251367>>150251681Didn't he say he didn't want to burn any more potential bridges and that's why he stopped being so scathing?
>>150251686>and wouldn't hit hard todaythere are so many animation-specific references in this, I don't think it matters if people caught it or not. For people who don't know, they'll just see another battle with a character that farts a lot, and the people who DO know will get a funny little joke.
What would a Goanimate IRL be like?
>>150251706seems like it would be about as scathing as poking fun at influencers living in a mansion or the use of rotoscoping (in that it wouldn't be if handled properly).
>>150251650Pan took too long to make this. He hasn't been relevant in years, almost all of his most watched videos are a decade old (which is a clear sign of an old, dying channel), while his current output has slowed to a crawl. Simply put, he's not relevant anymore. No one wants to watch a pilot made by some unc who might've been popular back when his target audience was in kindergarten, but now mostly seems to spend his time posting cringe on Twitter.
It'd be cool if he got guest animators for stuff like>LEGO stop motion animator for a LEGO IRL fight (if they can legally do that)or straight up just get Harry Partridge to do a fight if he's down for it
>>150251447Holy fuck that's a good shitpost.
>>150251692Maybe I didn't pay enough attention but why didn't she recharge her pen at the very end? Was it not allowed?
>>150251447anon wishes he was edgy but this is just a Boondocks bit
>>150251774That didn't make sense to me either. I think both sides refilled their pens at the end of round 1, so why wouldn't they be able to refill after round 2?
>>150238082>has heavily stylized humans with thick lineart but doesn't play into the strengths of that, instead animating everyone really smooth and slow.>overall edited like his videos, leading to a admittedly rough watching experience >very lil visual distinction between humans and their IRLs, also most or the humans are ugly as sin>large spaces of deadair where nothing entertaining happens>every action scene besides the last one is boring >bianca weighs the whole story down by being deadweight>pan voices just about every male>largely aimless for a pilot yet exposition dumps 50 concepts without going into detail about anything that really mattersRealistically I'd unironically rate it a 6/10 going off the pilot alone, both quality and writing wise. Its endearing pan even tried but yeesh, this fell hilariously flat. Better then other youtuber pilots but you can tell why Pan is a cartoon reviewer and NOT a cartoonist.For advice: drop the two friends of the ugly bowling pin girl theyre entirely superfluous to the plot, streamline the mechanics so its easier to digest, speaking of lore Show don't Tell, give us a reason to care for Bianca's struggles, and maybe ask some of your male friends to voice other characters.
>>150251261bowser fart gif irl when
>>150241301Post more Viper memes, I need more reaction images for my folder.
Ur gay
>>150250507Sunk-cost phalacy
Pan here. Jannies suck Mexican cocks for pesos.
This was kind of peak. I'm very proud of Pan. It takes a while to get used to/get going but by the end, I was into it. The main two leads are very likable and I have a strong sense of who they are, which immediately puts it ahead of most indie slop. The visual design is actually beautiful to look at in many shots, despite being cluttered at times. My only complaint is the same I have with most modern action shows, is that the action hugs the screen too much and you can't fully see/get a good feeling of what's going on.He's probably right behind Viv, Tracy and Glitch in terms of "indie" quality. This avoids the lower tier crapola of the other indie pilots for me. I hope it gets a full series, even if it has some cringe ass Pan Pizza moments.
>>150251442Shake is a comedy antihero, not the "relatable protagonist who you're supposed to care about"
>>150239043Oh so whenever someone calls out Steven Universe’s animation errors it’s a problem, but when it’s your cartoon it isn’t? Hah! Then again he did make fun of PPG 16 animation errors so do whatever you will with this information.
>>150251206Pretty much, like i said in this >>150240669 .should have gone into that that pan rebooted the comic. Which made all the artists/main characters into actual humans and retuned some of the old ones into pure irls (hence why i said the weeb was originally a gorilla). Pan most likely did to make it clear of who is what.
>>150252202Why is she so sad : (
>>150238082 couldn't watch the whole thing I just skip through it and stop at random bits, iIt tries too hard to be like early 00's/late 90's aesthetics that it becomes a weird bastardization of them while having a pretty lame plot and boring characters. I miss when he was just a smartass guy using blacklight art to talk about random cartoons, I can't believe I followed him so long that I was there when he had a blogspot and only a few 1000 subs. I'm not shocked it's bad, his comic was bad and had some of the worst layouts I've seen for a comic, mainly because he was too lazy to look at actual comics to figure out a page.
>>150252213Y2k aesthetic bastardization and oversimplification of thick outline/shape based character design to the point it becomes unappealing and nonsensical.
>>150252210She never scored
>>150252187Okay i rechecked the new comic and it still has the mention of hybrids. Though the siblings have human skin color in the pilot. So most likely pan still retconned it in the pilot.
The good thing about keeping the pilot PG is that as a plus, a kid can watch this and this could be their favorite indie pilot. Introducing them into a lot of stuff Pan is into. Which is nice, reminds me of when I was a kid, stumbling upon Pan's Hihi Puffy Amiyumi and Adventure Time reviews and getting hooked for years. Although Pan has been pretty pathetic over these years and become less cool and laid back, whether the pilot gets picked up or not he really owes it to any one he inspires to clean up his act and be more professional. With Vivziepop as a baseline for immaturity it would be so easy to not fall into the same pitfalls with the level of respect he has now for actually finishing this
>>150252336Yeah I like the premise, but an actual series would need better execution. This felt fairly amateurish and unpolished. If it did get picked up and professionally produced it could be cool though
>>150252361Loki IRL if it was written by Vivziepop?>Inb4 Cum Cola
This shit is STILL hasn't hit 55,000 views? Put Pan on suicide watch.
>>150252477Yeah i wished pan did more promotion for this than just a few trailers. Not spend another 15k but a livestream to help boost engagment helps.
>>150251136I'm tired of people talking about that like that's the end of his dreams just cause he added a detail that was off kilter.
>>150252477Shows how far he fell off
>>150251726>by some unc who might've been popular back when his target audience was in kindergartenThat honestly hits hard because I was in late middle school when Pan made his Adventure Time first impressions video and now I'm 23.
>>150252477I stopped paying attention to Pan when he started being openly hostile towards white guys.
>>150252618He did?
>>150252618You stopped paying attention during the early podcast days?
>>150252596Shut up Pan
>>150252618but pan is a white guy
>>150252654Before
>>150252667Then why are you here?
>>150252670He made a cartoon and I wish to talk abiut it.
>>150252680Then talk about the cartoon and not his opinion on white guys
>>150250773>Does he have trouble doing that?He refuses to learn to draw any other way and now he's locked in that childish teenage phase that most artists grow out of where he thinks he doesn't need to learn any of the fundamentals or the underlying concepts of animation and illustration because he has his "style" and he doesn't need anything else, even though he doesn't know how to pose or draw expressions or compose scenes. He's going by vibes and adult autism alone, and then having other animators cover his ass for all the stuff he refused to learn.
>>150252477Should donate him hype points to boost his silly pilot
>>150249335People were especially harsh towards Izzy because she pissed off a bunch of misc twitter chuds
>>150249432It was pretty hugbox to me, anon.
>>150253072That's what I did
>>150252477Will it surpass Wastelandia? If so when?
/co/ discussing Catching Up versus /co/ discussing Loki Irl
>>150251486>Greg has bad more-aleseven as a kid reading those I recognize he acts like a middle schooler
>>150238654With the confidence boost, it seemed to me like it came down to Loki being willing to sacrifice doing what he loved (having a fair fight, pushing himself regardless of what others thought) for Bianca's sake by being willing to use the Wi-Fi curse. I can say I enjoyed the pilot far more than I thought I would. There's some great stuff in there, and I'm very willing to see where the series goes.
>>150252663Hes mexican
>>150238288>Pan voicing 3/4th of the cast wouldn't have been a problem if his voice wasn't so goddamn distinctThis. My brain lapsed me into thinking I was watching a regular review video of his for a few seconds until I realized. Like suddenly flicking between Adult Swim and, I dunno, G4?
The concept of the irl’s is interesting I’ll give pan that but what are the exact details and limitations of them? Like how powerful can they be? Could you give your irl powers such as like time stopping? Or is it limited to genre of art they’re based on allow such abilities. What exactly powers them? Is it the mind? Like imagination, willpower and others. Or is there more of a external power like the brush and the notebook?
>>150238392>>150250929yeah lol he shouldnt make the human characters look like that if he actually wants a difference between the people and their cartoonsPans stylization just seems whack, its panty and stocking mixed with powerpuff/ dexters lab but the shapes dont flow well, the pointy hands piss me off and too many half bald chicks
>"We did about the same as Monkey Wrench..."
>>150254296Trailer. Monkey Wrench’s trailer.
>>150252477Probably because he changed the thumbnail to a still of the rotoscope bitches. Horrendous A/B testing.
>>150254296That's your bar?!
>>150247850This is the most I have laughed all weekJust the thought that Pans cartoon gets someone on an fbi watchlist
>>150249128Panty and stocking is genuinely the best of the best when it comes to anime stylizationIts so advanced that 90% of on-model fanart looks like shit and cant get the style right
>>150251966>phalacyIs this a dick joke?
>>150253447Yes, because Loki IRL was a genuine attempt at producing an idea the creator was passionate about while Catching Up was a joyless bid for internet clout.
>>150253812Though the wifi curse didn’t really amount to much. We got an extended sequence of Loki powering up, but then nothing happened. I think that anticlimactic end would have been more funny had we established that he basically becomes an unstoppable killing machine but while it’s alluded to in narration, we never actually see it. The pilot seems to establish that they never want to use this super power which, it turns out, is not very super at all.
Pan, if you're still here and reading these(probably the most reading you've ever done in your life), just keep this shit on patreon. The only people that care are the ones that are autistic enough to give you money. Everyone else thinks you're a fucking joke that needs to die. Welcome to being known as ChrisChan 2; SpicChan.
>>150255262I mean, she popped it right as the fight ended. Mechanically speaking, there wasn't much he could have done considering he had just been bisected. We do briefly get to see him annihilate a hallway full of goons in the introduction, and he loses control and repeatedly calls it unfair. For me, it was enough to keep it intriguing, but it really was not a lot.
>>150240729>Also he should actually read some booksHe was always super open about not wanting to read shit, even comics (although he clearly owns a few and has read them).
>>150255291This reply is more embarrassing and try-hard than any solitary element of Loki IRL.Anon wants to fit in SO badly.
The fact LSCuck's shitty cartoon did better than this says something.
>>150254360>no one is watching it>quick, put curvy bitches on the thumbnail!
>>150254360But why? You’d think the MCs themselves should be on the pilot thumbnail
>>150255486you cant even tell what the fuck they are supposed to be if you havent watched it either. it looks ugly too.
>>150255462It says that clout matters, and Pan has almost none at this point. If Saberspark decides to make a pilot, he would easily trump both Pan and LSMark.>>150255486Because people would click on mysterious women in what appears to be skin-tight latex more readily, it's just more of Pan's trademark desperation. I watched the pilot and I legit can't tell who these characters are, I must've checked out when they appeared.
>>150251664Autistic numbers anon here, I never said it was definitely going to get 100k, just that if it kept its early pace it would fall into the 80-100k zone that meant Pan's expected natural audience as a 500k channel would of watched it with no algortythim boosting to outside audiences.As that and this thread went on I commented that even keeping pace he would run into trouble thanks to timezones and the expected lack of an international audience even calling it stalling out around 50k views >>150250191The only positive by the the amount a US youtuber gets paid 1000 views the pilot likely made back its own cost of 15000$.if barely.
>>150255462He made the most digestable, 2-dimensional slop for as wide an audience as possible. It's no surprise that the guy whose favorite things are Sonic, Family Guy, and Fairly Odd Parents would make something devoid of any actual character or passion.
>>150255466Based.>>150255525It's the influencer lady and her friends. They're the ones who were talking about Bianca at the pool.
>>150255541>The only positive by the the amount a US youtuber gets paid 1000 views the pilot likely made back its own cost of 15000$.if barely.Don't you get paid, like, 10 cents for a thousand views?
>>150255291holy shit can you shut the fuck up already with your retarded vendetta with him throughout this whole thread
>>150255574quit posting in your own thread pan
>>150255541>The only positive by the the amount a US youtuber gets paid 1000 views the pilot likely made back its own cost of 15000$.if barely."Autistic numbers anon" is correct, you have no idea how the fuck YouTube works. Nobody is making $15,000 off of a video that made 55k views, are you fucking high?
>>150255574You don't understand, he has a tranny friend so that means his life has to be destroyed now for some reason.
>>150252596> off kilterThere are some things that are extremely difficult to rebound from. If Pan's dream is to make an animated show, then he's clearly already living it by producing this pilot. If Pan's dream was to get it picked up by Adult Swim, I think that ship has sailed. Not just because of this specific gaff, but Pan is far too socially unaware to be anything that any corporation concerned with PR would be willing to touch. The animation industry is full of autistic weirdos, but most of them don't document and publish their weirdness. Not only is this clip of him talking about cartoon fucking out in the wild for anyone to find forever, he's also documented himself talking about getting a bladder infection because he'd regularly masturbate and fall asleep instead of cleaning up. Pan has always been a little too comfortable saying the quiet part out loud, but his pitch for [AS] proved that he has no filter even when it's pretty clear he probably should.
>>150255568This. It might get a few hundred dollars.>>150255644Oh! He's the guy who made Genndy Tartakovsky really uncomfortable, right?
>>150255644smiling friends was made by a guy platforming a nazi groomer so thats not true. even tried to cast chris chan.
>>150255681Zach did that?
>>150255568>>150255583Depends on your genreAfter youtuber takes their cut Animal vlogs can get you like a dollar while academic stuff can hit 5 dollars and views on a short pays pennies.Then you have to factor in that youtubers in the US get paid more and you also get paid more based on the size of your channel.So I went with a main estimate of 3$ per thousand views which was to be the low end of average and in which case Pan has just made above 15000 before taxeshttps://analyzify.com/statsup/youtube
>>150255681>weird artist having niche podcast with shadman pre meltdown is the same as being weird sexually during the pitch>trying to get disabled internet freak as a joke is "too far"shut up you massive retarded pearl clutching pussy
>>150255736Also It looks like you get paid more based off of where a viewer is.I'e Indian views pay less than American ones.
>>150255769Now see acting as retarded as this is how you don't get hired.
>>150255769>niche podcastIt was what they were known for prior to lets plays and it was creators with a million subs each. It was common knowledge. You are just mad people remember.
>>150255681>even tried to cast chris chan.As a talking grease stain on the floor with two lines of dialogue. It was before he got arrested too
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>>150255851Chrischan had been arrested before
>>150255871Yeah but for funny shit like pepper spraying a guy because Sonic's arms are not blue, not for anyone cared about
>>150255893The law doesnt recognize crimes as skits and chrischan also tried to run someone over. You dont need to pretend that somehow they were unaware of who chrischan was when they casted them. That was why they went and did it.
>>150255307>there wasn't much he could have done considering he had just been bisectedSure but then from a narrative perspective, what was the point of activating it at all? It would serve a purpose if we could see just how powerful the curse was and Loki, despite being cut in half, could still come back and fuck shit up. Or it would serve a purpose if we already understood just how powerful it was normally, but in this case things were so far gone that it didn't make a difference. Instead, we got an info-dump that *told* us how powerful the curse was, but when it came time to actually experience it, we got nothing which completely diminishes the lore. There was really no narrative reason to use it at all in this case. >We do briefly get to see him annihilate a hallway full of goons in the introductionNo we don't. We see the wifi powerup sequence and then a wide shot of the aftermath. We never actually see him do anything which, from a visual storytelling perspective, does not convey the ferocity or power. We mentally understand what it means, but we don't viscerally understand it. Again, had we actually seen him go full psycho in the past at some point (ideally several times), the anticlimactic ending would have been far more effective because the audience would have expected an outcome we'd already seen play out several times before just to have it subverted. It's kind of like doing the knock knock joke with bananas and oranges but instead of knocking and telling the person you're "banana" three times, you just knock, tell them you had already knocked three times before as banana, but now you're orange. The punchline doesn't work unless you actually go through the motions. FWIW, I don't think this is something they had time to set up in this single episode. I think the anticlimactic ending was a gag they should have saved for the future.
>>150255971I'm with you on the no narrative reason to pop it, unless it's trying to demonstrate that there are limits to what it can do. While we don't literally see Loki butchering the hallway of goons, we can infer from context clues that activating the curse allowed him to accomplish the gruesome aftermath we saw. More importantly, we know that Loki's not himself when he does it, and is worried about what the aftermath could be. It's something which I would be hopeful to be expanded upon, but I'm not sure if this is going to turn into an actual show in the future. If this is a standalone episode, then yes, I agree that's insufficient.
>>150255462>>150255525Pan also did almost no lead up to the release. I was in a thread about the trailer for episode and then suddenly someone was like "it dropped" and that was that. Pan should have held onto the episode for a few weeks more and hyped it up online, maybe reached out to any youtuber contacts he has to see if they could do collabs or shout outs or whatever, do a whole countdown releasing Loki IRL images with numbers on them counting down the days, and then finally release when people are actually anticipating it. > I legit can't tell who these characters areIt's the newsbroadcaster/influencer chick and her bitchy friends. They're the ones Bianca and Loki fight in the final battle.
>>150255541>the pilot likely made back its own cost of 15000no. I don't know what world you live in, but not even close. You know there's 100 cents to $1, right?
>>150256038Yeah it's true, I didn't even know this thing was coming out anytime soon
I liked this little guy
>>150255681But there aren't soundbites of Zach himself talking about lolis or white power. Sure, being friends with a guy isn't ideal, but there's a level of distance and plausible deniability at play. All the things that are problematic with Pan aren't because of friends, it's stuff that he himself says and then chooses to publish to the internet.
>>150256142>talking about lolis or white powerThere are infinite sound bites of that including him talking about slurping shit out of an ass in detail. He is a beloved weird freak.
>>150255582>I'm actually talking directly to /co/ creators themselves!!!!unironic rent free behavior, it's always retarded to see on this board
>>150256297Look back at the start of the thread, retard. Pan admitted they were here.
>>150256029>While we don't literally see Loki butchering the hallway of goons, we can infer from context clues that activating the curse allowed him to accomplish the gruesome aftermath we sawyes, I said as much. But as with the banana/orange knock knock joke example, it's not effective storytelling to just tell us what it does. We need to see it in action before we see it fail. This is a prime example of why it's recommended to show don't tell. >More importantly, we know that Loki's not himself when he does it, and is worried about what the aftermath could beAgain, we don't see this. We're told this. I'm not saying that the audience doesn't understand what's going on, but we don't feel it. That's two different things. It's like telling the audience that something is a really sad moment instead of actually doing the work to make the sadness resonate in that moment. I don't care if this ends up being a series or not, I think introducing this supposed mega power through inference and then having the first opportunity to actually show it in action go over like a wet fart completely diminishes its capabilities. The next time they waffle over whether or not to use it, there aren't any stakes. The audience doesn't give a single shit. The decision has no weight to it. Why wouldn't you just press it all the time? We really needed to see it get out of hand for ourselves first.
>>150256083Needs to make some stickers. Won't become a millionaire but, could get a chunk of change
>>150256429In this case, our opinions are subjective, so we're not going to be able to resolve this. For me, horror is most effective when it's left up to the imagination. I'd be okay with someone doing the "orange you glad I didn't say..." and the person on the inside losing their temper because it's the third time, because I'd find watching it happen each time tedious. Loki not wanting to do it to the point that he was visible hesitating when he raised his hand was enough for me to go off of. I understand that it's not enough for everybody.
>>150256172>There are infinite sound bites of that including him talking about slurping shit out of an ass in detailyes, as a joke and people laugh. It's much harder to weaponize those sorts of soundbites when it's clearly a bit* Pan's soundbites aren't jokes, they're confessions. People don't laugh, they cringe. Context is everything. *Those jokey soundbites can come back and bite Zach in the ass if he's later accused of sexual misconduct, but for now, they're clearly taken as jokes.
>>150256301Yeah I saw, and its deleted now. Even then, you take that shit at face value when literally any fuck can just say "Pan here."???
>>150256038That retard released a trailer with a fake release date, only to fucking shadowdrop his pilot hours later. When I first watched the trailer, I read this as "December 31st, Saturday", not "SIKE it's not December 31st, it's tomorrow!". I only found out that the thing released because there was a thread on /co/ about it.
I triedhttps://youtu.be/xV790DMI1F0
>>150256517> because I'd find watching it happen each time tediousI think you misunderstood the analogy. I'm saying the *first time you hear the joke* it goes like this: > knock knock> who's there?> I knocked three times before but I'd told you it was banana. This time it's orange. > orange who? > orange you glad I didn't say banana? Do you see how the effect is minimized?
>>150256598I didn't find any moment in the episode that egregious. To be fair, I also don't think there was any moment in the episode as egregious as watching somebody actually doing that three times, or that such a scene would have made it better.
>>150256567I think it was his misguided attempt to do an Adult Swim style April fools joke.
>>150256567I like that Fleisher reference but, why is the character with that name just a tribal tattoo?
Anybody know the track being used in the beginning fight? I don't have am encyclopedic knowledge of Hideki Naganuma tracks but it sounds like Sonic Rush.
>>150255419>anon wants to fit in SO badlyIsn't that exactly what you want too, Pan? Isn't that the same reasons why you're a degenerate piece of shit? Wanting to fit in with the tumblr tranny crowd?
So humans are allowed to fight IRLs? How does the "full bleed" stipulation work on them? Is she putting her life on the line every match or do the IRLs have to destroy her Soul Eater ass weapon? Can IRLs even harm humans? Not helping the distinction between humans and IRLs, Pan
>>150238172its not convoluted. people act like this is high concept... but it just doesnt have a working premise in the slightest. its trying to go for so many things it just ends up being nothing at all.
>>150254360>rotoscope bitchesRotoscoping would be the worst route to go for a battle stand OC. It means their IRL has no crazy toonforce moves because it has to do what a normal human does. And it's not an either or in the context of animation, because you can rotoscope 1 scene and use traditional for a dozen others.Pan dude seriously you need to ditch this roger rabbit shit for your power system.
>>150238082calling it an IRL ART is not a name that rolls with the tongue. He should rename them as something more cool, like Project being a play on words that's a project but also a character that is projected irl
>>150257356That's good actually
