Yet I'm the "weird" one for liking kids shows that are actually well-animated and unironically treat their audiences with more maturity
I'm fairly certain these types of shows are falling out of fashion.Of course Family Guy continues but has a SINGLE show using its style within the last decade actually seen major success?>Hoops>Paradise PD>Birchum>Inside Job>Final SpaceBig Mouth seems like the only one that could actually be called a success but even then there's no merchandise of it and the only people who actually watched it are people who hate animation that isn't Family Guy anyway.
>>150249672If you want to watch truly "adult" animation, watch foreign arthouse flicks. Movies like The Wolf House, This Magnificent Cake, or Krysar. They are as far from artless adult US animation as you can get.
Thankfully Smiling Friends is fucking shit like this in the ass.
>>150249672When was the last time an animated sitcom wasn't done with rigged animation? In fact when was the last time we had a traditionally animated series at all? And by "traditional" I mean fluid, dynamic animation instead of stiff lifeless ToonBoom
>>150249839It feels like Zach Hadel could've done a lot better, especially considering his past. I know people shit on it for being "wacky characters but... REALISTIC DIALOGUE" but that's basically what it is.
>>150249672Then why did Scavengers Reign became known as one of the good adult animations of recent memory?
More adult animation needs to include more brutal murder, close ups of the corpses and dismemberment of the bodies. Actually no scratch that. Then the talentless hacks would just make a bland flick about some boring horror nigger like Michael Myers killing randoms
>>150250017Oh and not the childish kind like what you see in Helluva Slop
>>150249672he is rightbut everyone knows this already
>>150249672Newsflash, adult people have sex, sometimes do drugs and talk about politics. Most adults dont ride dragons, or go on adventures. Supply and demand
>>150250017I remember when I was 13. Good times.
>>150250748>adult people have sex/co/ must be full of children then
>>150250748Well maybe I want to watch cartoons so I DON'T have to think about adult stuff for once. Did you ever think of that retard?
>>150250811I want to watch cartoons to feel a maniacal powerfantasy
>>150250799>>150250796Maybe I am a child because I haven't had sex yet. Sweet! If I stay a virgin maybe I can be young forever and live forever
>>150250811Animation really is and should be just for kids. If I wanted adult themes I would just go watch a live-action series, not a medium where the whole point is that it literally isn't real.
>>150250829I'm 37 years old and 3DPD might as well not even exist to me
>teen show: woke beanmouth slop protagonist goes on adventures something something literally every show has to have lore>adult show: protagonist is a GRUMPY LOSER who says FUCK and SHIT and DRINKS ALCOHOL also adventures and lore>toddler show: actual soulful art and doesn't treat the audience like toddlers, generally nice to watch and doesn't feel like I'm watching something generic a soulless company put out to profit
>>150250748>Newsflash, adult people have sexAnd they don't watch shitty cartoons with the writer political bias instead of representing them.Bunch of wannabe redditors.
>>150249800Kill yourself he's cool and if you don't agree with his point you have fucking brain damage
>>150250748>Newsflash, adult people have sexChoose the answer that makes you the most mad:>You clearly don't>They also take huge fat dumps, that doesn't mean they want to see it constantly on tv.>the target udience of "adult cartoons" is not actual adults but 12-17 years old edgelords who think they are "mature" for watching them.>sometimes do drugsOk and? Drug jokes are once again not aimed at adults but at kids who think they are adults.>talk about politicsYes, and the moment they do I want to get as far away from them as possible, because 90% of the time if you feel like you need to share your deep and insightful political opinion in public, you are either dumb, a narcissist or both.>Most adults dont ride dragonsYour mom begs to differ, she rides the baddest ones.>go on adventuresOnce again, your mom.
>>150249866>Durr.. I wana not have own opinion on 4chan, I wanna reddit and twitter smart guy to say it for me duhhhh....What on EARTH did anon mean by this?
>>150251453Huh? Wrong post?
>>150249672>kids shows>well-animated>treat their audiences with more maturityYou aren't actually mature and you don't know good animation. And no im not talking about fucking anime.>>150249730>Final SpaceThat show is neither "adult" nor poorly animated. It has hacky writing for sure but the animation on that show absolutely fucking blasts anything for kids right now. Does anyone here actually watches any of the shit they complain about?
>>150249730Rick & Morty and South Park
>>150249672This faggot can't even type sex
>>150251507"Cheap" preschool shows from the 2000s have far better animation than any contemporary big-budget adult animation.
>>150251583Because it's a bad word? Duh
>>150249672I love how the alternative suggested always reduces down to reinstating the Hays Code as if that will magically solve all writing problems
>>150249672There's an unspoken hierarchy in the entertainment industry, and visual artists rank way below the writers and voice actors.
>>150249730>>Inside Job1) Depends on how you define success. Inside ob is good, but it sadly never became a big thing. 2) The show uses plenty of visual humor, so it doesn't really apply to the issue at hand.
>>150249672They know their audience is using their show as background noise
>>150250748>Newsflash, adult people have sex, sometimes do drugs and talk about politics. Most adults dont ride dragons, or go on adventures. Supply and demand/thread
>>150251875Yeah animated sitcoms serve the same purpose as normal sitcoms. Its soulless slop you put on in the background for some yuks. They're designed to be junk food TV.
>>150249672I will forever be mad at Netflix for cancelling Danny Antonuccis Lupo The Butcher series for "looking too much like a kids show". This goes to show you that execs don't want adult cartoons to be visually interesting.The only network that actually mixes up their artstyles when it comes to adult animation is Adult Swim, everything from Fox and Netflix is pure slop.
>>150250748>sometimes do drugsGen Z is going to kill the traditional smoking and alcohol markets and they are almost all adults
>>150250748I'm less mad about the raunchy humor and more mad about the fact that they're all generic ass sitcoms that look like Family Guy and aren't even created by animators.I like vulgar and edgy stuff with artistic merit put into it, Ralph Bakshi films, The Haunted World of El Superbeasto, Superjail, Adult Party Cartoon (guilty pleasure of mine btw), King Star King, Fixed, but instead retarded execs think the most fitting artstyle for vulgar humor is just Family Guying it.
>>150252449Superjail's animation is quite impressive and strikes a balance between grotesqueness without overdoing it
>>150249730Big Mouth was a success
>>150251926Retard
>>150252515Big Mouth is the most grotesquely Jewish cartoon ever made. Literally designed to demoralized Americans.
>>150249730I can't watch those shows. They all forgot the love triangles and laugh tracks.
>>150249672Normies don't see any point in animation being expressive. If they want something serious, they will watch it in live action. Cartoons are for kids.
>>150252760Stfu l*dditroon
>>150252760>t. out of touch hollywood executive
>>150252760Normies don't want animation at all. They want another The Office. The types of people who'd even watch cartoons in the first place want something more figuratively written instead of being grounded like a sitcom, but Hollywood keeps trying to make animated sitcoms work because they're so damn cheap.
speaking of adult animation, does anyone have a mega for that AMC show from a couple of years back Ultra City Smiths?
>>150252515Big Mouth is a prime example of a show loved by normies but hated by animation fans
>>150249775Too bad 90% of arthouse movies suck ass just for different reasons
>>150249730Big Mouth was created and shilled by the son of a literal billionaire so he could push it down everyone's throats
>>150250900>>toddler show: actual soulful art and doesn't treat the audience like toddlers, generally nice to watch and doesn't feel like I'm watching something generic a soulless company put out to profitWhat the fuck are you talking about? It's all beanmouth/cocomelon looking shit with crappy animation and LGBT propaganda
>>150253375this, toddler shows haven't been what that anon described in over a decade, now it's all just generic nursery rhymes with outsourced Indian CGI
>>150253375He's talking about Bluey and nothing else
>>150249672Here, now you can post this without the superfluous xitter shit.
>>150253788Bluey is good for educating kids, unlike Cocomelon slop on tv it actually encourages them to get up and play around while using their imagination, it's like the one preschool show on right now that's made to actually fucking educate kids rather than keeping them quiet.What Bluey is NOT good for on the other hand is being watched by manchild furries.
>>150250900Bluey?
>>150253375>Implying this isn't soulful.
>>150249672Sour grapes from a guy that desperately wants to return to the 2000s so he can pitch his unfunny show to stoners.
>>150254280Adventure Time really did a number on pitch pilots.
>>150251612It won't and will make things worse
>>150254353Literally everything on the left is beanmouth slop, the middle has a couple of interesting-looking ones like Off The Menu and Pig in a Wig, the right gives off shitty indietoon vibes. Remember back when people thought Adventure Time was the beginning of a new animation renaissance?
>>150252515Quantity and quality are two different things
>>150253375>>150253774>>150253788>>150253872>>150253996Elinor to be fair but yeah you've got a point. Sad state of toddlerkino nowadays
>>150249954Scavengers Reign was a fluke that got immediately sold to another streaming service without much fanfare then cancelled one season in despite how relatively popular it was. I'm honestly surprised his other show Common Side Effects got a second season but Adult Swim has always been more experimental with shit.
>>150249672Has been for a few decades now, how are you just discovering this?
>>150250875Retarded opinion, and you should not be on /co/ unless you're just here for Bluey and fucking Paw Patrol threads I guess.
>>150252678Poorfag thirdie hands typed this post
>>150256133>t.riggered
>>150252385goodfuck viceslife is shortwhy end it early
>>150253872Every Bluey fan seems to be a hyper-mega sperg or retarded so i wouldn't agree that it mostly educates kids
>>150256302>s.alty
>>150254353>left side all having the same kind of animation>inb4 some thinks I mean art style>I literally mean the actual animation moves the same two ways>sterile looking traditional 2d>tweening
>>150256100The same could be said about you, assuming you're just here for COOL and BADASS adult animation threads
Why can't western cartoon companies take a lesson from anime that not everything needs DUDE DRUGS LOL VIOLENCE AND CUSS WORDS? Shit, even Naruto and MHA can appeal to adults. Or will adults in the west forever view cartoons as "only for kids and not a place for story telling"?
>>150256692>Or will adults in the west forever view cartoons as "only for kids and not a place for story telling"?100%. As much as Westerners like to shit on Easterners for being "conformist" they really show their true colors when it comes to things like this.
>>150256692>>150256722This is why Rango has such a bad box office. It's also funny that the same western tards will shit on their own industries cartoons but be completely fine with "meme-anime"
>>150256829Rango is kino honestly
>>150256599I'm on /co/ because I like animation in general. It's an artform i respect and think it's better suited for genres like fantasy and sci fi than live action since you don't have real world limitations to worry about. I also love how it allows for zanier character behavior and expression that Humans can't articulate irl due to biology or because it would be annoying. I'm also not one of those "Animation is art and people should take it seriously!" types but I do think animation that attempts to reach older audiences and tackles mature themes and topics should be lauded, even if the execution falls flat.I also like shitposting here and sperging over waifus.
>>150254353what is with all the bean mouths?honestly thought that to be a meme
>>150256940I respect your opinion. Personally, /co/ is one of the only few places where there are people similar enough to me to genuinely discuss my favorite preschool cartoons, but of course they're overshadowed by absolute idiots making inappropriate comments about my favorite characters.
>>150256100Hello from the PAW Patrol threads. Personally I'm partial to a bit of arthouse. Hedgehog in the Fog is more engaging than Tale of Tales, but the latter will stay with you longer. The French are famous for arthouse animation and Chomet makes beautiful things, but Le Jour des Corneilles resonated with me the most. The films of Aleksandr Petrov also have a real beauty that I don't think most kids will be drawn to. Animation doesn't have to be for babies or adult sitcoms; there's much to be said for artistry and the auteur as well. Also pups are fuckin' cute
>>150257018
>>150249672>Yet I'm the "weird" one for liking kids showsYes, you are actually, and the only reason you should be watching kids shows or movies is if you’re watching over a child
>>150257238Stfu normalfag
>>150257238>saying this on /co/
>>150257018Are you the guy who made that Sagwa thread yesterday? If you are, yeah, I kind of agree about the inappropriate comments, but truth is, lots of anons, myself included, are porn addicts and get to a state where all you can see or think about is sex, even if the show is harmless. Furry related threads in particular seem to get this treatment I've noticed.
>>150257238Hello tourist
>>150257238Gtfo homosexual
>>150253345Nick Kroll is so hit or miss, I wondered how his projects became so huge until I saw that his dad's name is blue on Wikipedia
>>150257337>Are you the guy who made that Sagwa thread yesterday?Yes, I am. >If you are, yeah, I kind of agree about the inappropriate commentsThank you for understanding my perspective.>but truth is, lots of anons, myself included, are porn addicts and get to a state where all you can see or think about is sex, even if the show is harmless. Why? I'm intoxicated due to the influence of alcohol at the moment so I'll just be honest and say that I struggle with understanding others' perspectives. >Furry related threads in particular seem to get this treatment I've noticed.Is Sagwa a "furry related"? She walks on four feet and behaves more like a cat, despite verbal abilities and incredible talents such as writing Chinese characters with her tail.
>>150249839Smiling Friends is such a breath of fresh air and I'm so happy to see it take off the way it did.
>>150257439>his dad's name is blue on WikipediaJust say early life next time
>>150257550That's a pretty low bar to be fair
>>150257238Based normalfag
>>150257238>wahhh i need GUNSHOTS and EXPLOSIONS in my cartoons wahhh
>>150249672What would you like it to be?
>>150257487Porn addiction just does that to your brain. If you look at naked people having sex for hours and hours, day after day, week after week, month after month, it eventually rewrites your brain to the point where you see a pretty woman and the first thing you think is "I wonder what color her underwear is" or something like that. The woman doesn't even have to be dressed sexy or doing anything sexy, just her being pretty is enough to spur those pervy thoughts. And those thoughts come up whether it's a real woman or a cartoon woman or an anime girl or video game woman or whatever.I didn't mean Sagwa specifically, I mean stuff like Zootopia threads and Amazing World of Gumball threads and The Bad Guys threads and Helluva Boss threads, etc. A lot of those threads are just anons lusting after the furry girls, myself included.
>>150257878Kys tranny
>>150258027Seethe>>150258181Obsessed
>>150258237Stfu
>>150251236this post was absolute kino anon, nicely done
>>150258027Well technically yes actually, but there’s obviously more to it
>>150258259Kys
>>150249672>Yet I'm the "weird" one for liking kids shows that are actually well-animated and unironically treat their audiences with more maturityI get where you're trying to come from but are these shows you have in mind really portraying a compelling story that appeals to your adult mind? Like, I'm not meaning to say each show HAS to be some psuedo-intellectual philosophy shit, but aren't you a little smarter than shit like, I dunno, Steven Universe? I understanding liking some cartoons because they're cool, TMNT and Justice League and stuff like that, but these "lore" shows that are basically just character dramas featuring twelve year olds seem unworthy of an adults attention
>>150258316Tell that to yourself
>>150257238NormalARYAN
>>150258398a show can be simple and crude but still visually interesting, adult swim built an entire legacy on that
>>150252449This, people would be less mad if raunchy shows had stylistic variety, not too big on Helluva Boss but at least it looks unique.Modern adult cartoons are also too safe-edgy, we need a new Drawn Together.
>>150249672>Simpsons>That recent Ren & Stimpy reboot>Bob's Burgers
>>150258613Wouldn't that just be the best of both worlds in regards to OP and OP's pic? A visually interesting show that, even if it's crude and vulgar, follows a story that better appeals to an adult mind? I guess what I'm trying to say in my previous post is: why watch Family Guy clone slop OR Childish "lore" shows following ten year olds? I know this is /co/ and I'm not trying to sound pretentious by spewing half-assed statement about "TRUE ART", but it sounds hypocritical to shit on something like Paradise PD when you're an active follower of Star Vs. the Forces of Evil.
>>150256692I just want the west to make something that isn't DC and Marvel. It's too easy of a solution. You don't see Europe and Mexico gravitating towards capeshit.
>>150258583Stfu thirdie
>>150258833the appeal of shows like paradise PD (or brickleberry) isn't fundamentally gay so much as these are just the kinds of shows people happen to make when they're lazy hacks. shows that put the humor before the plot can be done well, the ted TV show is a good example.
>>150252364There was a comment that had Antonucci confirming that he was told by Netflix to censor the violence of Lupo. He had a vulgar comment that was attacking big mouth by calling it ‘sex midgets’.
>>150258156>rewrites your brain to the point where you see a pretty woman and the first thing you think is "I wonder what color her underwear is"healthy males think this way even if they've never watched porn. You can find numerous examples of this in primary sources written before film was invented. I don't know what you're smoking if you think porn and not biology is the reason.
>>150249672Because you never watched Zucker and Zucker growing up
>>150258814Simpsons & Bob's Burgers are TV-PG shows. Not sure about the R&S one, I haven't seen it.
Good Adult animation is not hard to find.
>>150254353What sucks is pitches are always like this. Yeah, the beanmouth is a problem, but the other problem is "my show is about a bunch of literally who's having adventures and being best friends". It's all mush.Like Off the Menu for example. That's a good idea for one short, but is it supposed to carry a whole show? Is every episode going to just be "these four animals are consumed as food by humans, that's the joke"?
>>150259577It works for middle-aged women and gay people
>>150259577Off the Menu seems clearly inspired by 90’s cartoons, and many like Dexters Lab and Cow & Chicken felt like stuff that could work only as one-off shorts but worked good as full series.Also Off the Menu is like the only short on that list that actually looks visually appealing and doesn’t make me wanna stab my eyes.
>>150254353Still sad Trick moon isnt a thing, think of all the kemololi porn that couldve been
>>150249775>The Wolf HouseI fucking love that movie
>>150259859Retarded lolifag
>>150258156>it eventually rewrites your brain to the point where you see a pretty woman and the first thing you think is "I wonder what color her underwear is" That’s just having a libido, not porn addiction. Porn addiction would be if you can’t stop yourself from looking at porn at an inappropriate time, like at work or a family gathering, or just in public.
>>150252470I love how the elaborate fight sequences have…heart? For lack of a better word? You can just tell that the creators had a lot of fun with it and coming up with the crazy ideas, like seeing someone’s school notebook doodles come to life. And it’s “gory” yet so crudely drawn that it comes back around to being comical
>>150260031A lot of people confuse "looks at porn" with "has a maladaptive relationship with porn".
>>150257626the bar is higher than before - it should be pushed higher still
>>150258425Gtfo
>>150250799Their hands.
>>150249672There is an involuntarily celibate crisis going on currently amongst men with swathes of men living in misery, raping out of sheer desperation, killing others and / or themselves. Stop trying to put a lid on male sexuality. Feed it. Gratify it. Satisfy it. Validate it. Condone it. Support it. Give men sex or watch your civilization burn.
>>150249800This will always be funny. Keep posting it bro
>>150254280Idk anon, when it comes to the state of the American animation industry I think I'll trust the word of someone who actually worked in said industry over an angry anon on a Malaysian basket weaving forum.
>>150260739Cope
>>150262672Kys
>>150254280/End of Thread
>>150254353>Andrew DickmanOh boy, if that show gets picked up, get ready for people to bring up his bullshit from the past.
>>150258181You first granny>>150258259Gtfo>>150262672Arrest
>>150258237Go to bed>>150258237Rent free
>>150262830>>150258316you first
>>150264102>>150264143>>150264184Bleed out
>>150263194Stfu
>>150264336Sneed out
>>150264356Die horrifically
>>150264487
>>150264487Become murdered
>>150264519Slit your throat
>>150253841Just saying, but in the future, if you ever do this again? It's best to give yourself a margin along all sides that's thicker than you'd think it would need to be. And don't be afraid to cut the quote up a little so it isn't just a wall of text. Also, font and font size go a long way for making something a more palatable read. And especially don't let the text invade the visuals, that's like rule number 1. I'm not even good at this shit, but following these sorts of rules make this shit WAY better aesthetically, Anon.
>>150260878Do we really want to reward what boils down to skill issue?
>>150249672This is true, and it is still entertaining. This is because our culture is extremely prudish.
>>150265386The only skill involved is learning to tolerate 2-4 points lower on the scale, and the only reward is disappointment.
>>150249672It makes sense from a business perspective These shows are mainly popular among people looking for a show to absent-mindedly have on in the background while eating or taking a bong hit.If too many jokes were visual, or the visuals were very intense, it wouldn't be watched by as many people
>>150249672it's a vehicle to fellate the "talent" of the writing staff, not the animating staff. they treat it like any other live action sitcom.
>>150256322they replaced it with weed and SSRIs
>>150249672>S*Xkys zoomtardsage goes in options
>>150252750BBT was like smelling salts in regards to broadcast TV qualityI watched a few episodes of it and had that "man behind the curtain" moment in regards to how uncanny the vast majority of scripted TV shows are, and it made me unable to watch regular television.
>>150260878
>>150249672>I'm the "weird" one for liking kids shows that are actually well-animated and unironically treat their audiences with more maturityYes you are because you should be watching real shows for adults instead of shitty shows that dumb down children. Go to bed Dobson.
>>150259758what about 2000s shows like Fairly Oddparents or Billy & Mandy?
>>150259284we can never have a comedy this epic like Rat Race anymore
>>150257238Where do you think we are
Why couldn't Adult animation be our thing?
>>150268179Please do not post that fucking bear against my consent. It's vile and offensive to the eyes.
>>150268179Why do these people always like SU
>>150268179who are "these people"? might be blind to whatever you're talking about
>You see, you have to choose between the kid’s show you’re way too old for and the shitty raunchy sitcom!>AAAAIIIIEEEEEE STOP WATCHING ANIMETurns out that making more than two types of shows has a lot of benefits.
>>150249672No, you're the weird one for saying shit like this in some sort of subconscious defense of you watching kids shows.
>>150271139because it's ruined by the same basic Simpsons/Futurama, Family Guy/American Dad, South Park, Bob's Burgers, Robot Chicken, Rick & Morty humor/artstyle
>>150271310manchildren like tumblr-slopa disdain for plebs
>>150249672You're still weird for liking cartoons and jerking off to them.
>>150272271and you're here in the /co/ boardslurk more?
>>150271310it's breaking bad for autists and 20 year old lesbians
>>150268179Dobson was right about this actually, he just said it like a faggot
>>150249866Nah it also has some really good visual gags and animation jokes that are a real treat. Like the stop motion demon or the rotoscoped guy. It's fun.
>>150271139Because adult animation sucks ass, if it's not a Family Guy clone that might as well just be a kids show with swearing then it goes the opposite extreme and tries so hard to be "deep" and "sophisticated" that it forgets the important part of actually being entertaining. In-between exists, but there's not nearly as much as there should be
>>150272097Well if you didn't give people a reason to defend it they wouldn't try to defend it
Are kids shows really better than Paradise PD or Close Enough?
>>150268179Butterfree, not fry. I keep wanting to read "Butterfry" with a thick Asian accent lol
>>150249672how did this lazy style spread like wildfire anyway
>>150274276Yeah, if you don't cherrypick
>>150275770It's cheap
>>150276167No
>>150276310Yes
>>150259523Comedy Central shows are typically either TV-14 or TV-MA
>>150278309This is why you go even more unique
>>150274276Uncle grandpa? For sure!
>>150250748>Newsflash, adult people have sex, Not according to birth rates>sometimes do drugs Too much drugs. Most of these Normalfags overdose or die because they bought fentanyl-filled drugs from China on eBay.>and talk about politicsAnd they are insufferable about it.
>>150267919makes me wish comedy albums were still a thing so these writers and VAs can fuck off to another mediumpeople are overdosing on "good writing can save bad animation"
>>150271459I never said "these people".>>150274149>Dobson was right about this actually, he just said it like a faggotHe's only right in that adding constant sex and violence doesn't make your story automatically "mature", but he's wrong for using kids shows that don't really treat mature subject matters well. Plus there's so many good mature stories for adults that Dobson and anyone in general could be watching instead of relying on kids shows.
>>150249672>But where are those good ol fashioned values
>>150279928>I never said "these people".was replying to the wrong post anon. Meant >>150271310
>>150280180E-Celebs
>>150280011Violins and violins and VIOLINS
>>150279928The specific examples he used was part of saying it like a faggot, the overall message is still right
>>150282347and coscu
>>150278507>This is why you go even more uniqueWhat is that even mean, yo?
>>150249672Why do they keep blaming execs for it? Netflix lacks that kind of network culture yet creators still stick to this kind of style
>>150284980Memes are memes they're not black, white, hispanic, asian, male, female, non-binary, or LGBTQIA. They are for everyone to use regardless or who you are or what you identify as. Assigning identifiers to images is just another way to divide this already fractured world.
>>150284980As it turns out, execs were a great filter for this. Its a lot like how modern internet culture is when sites, video games, and other custom options give users a rain of freedom with no limits and all users do is make the same thing. Rules and limits help bring out creativity, always has been. Netflix has not rules so people just make the same shit over and over.
>>150264487the average /co/nversation
>>150254353The only pilot pictured in there that had any sort of potential was The Summoning
