Disney has fired and blacklisted an artist for using generative AI as part of their process
>>150251849>Mulligan>Gets discarded for being uselessPottery.
>use AI to make you a picture>trace it and color it yourselfWould anyone find out the truth if you took those couple of steps?
>>150251849It would be an interesting twist to see a story where the megacorp works with the proletariat against a machine taking over, even if it was mostly to retain their monopoly.
>>150251849Good. Fuck AI fags. I’m glad to see some backlash. We don’t need to cheapen our lives any more than they already are by flooding the world with “gens”.
>>150251849>a part of their process>when the entire image is AI>the only thing not AI is the clockface numbers, which were manually drawn inDeserved.
>>150251898they'll still support AI and screw others over, they just want to put the rules in place where regular people can't screw them as well
>>150251849Extremly rare Disney corpo W
>>150251944The Animal Farm two step, a classic.
>>150251898>artist>proletariatlmao
>>150251862How much do you want to bet that's just a pen name he made up for this purpose? Especially since he knew he could get in shit for using AI.
>>150251878Some people are already doing it, but if you don't know how to draw you're going to get caught. AI makes a lot of mistakes that are not really perceptual and a good artist would actually fix before ever presenting a finished product if they were starting from AI and tracing it, but if someone is using AI to compensate for a lack of ability or because they're lazy they are probably not going to bother tracing in the first place, or they will trace and copy all of the mistakes in the AI.There is a use for AI as part of the creative process but that's not what the "ai bros" are interested in. To them, the AI is the creative process, and the things they generate are the final product. For actual artists who are using AI, it's basically just a high tech addition to their mood boards.
>>150251898100% the megacorp is mad because if it can produce disney looking end product, that means disney material has been poured into the model
>>150251997If the end result is that corporations deadlock themselves out of generating AI slop, and the cost is that individual people can't sell AI slop either, then that's a win all around. You can't sell a photo collage using other people's photos if you don't own them, either. The guy who made that Obama Hope poster got sued and lost because he used someone else's photo of Barack Obama and didn't obtain the rights first.I use some royalty free stock photography in my artwork for certain elements that would be too labor intensive to draw for the deadline I have (like an explosion for example), but it's either an open license image or one that I paid for from a reseller like Getty or iStock. And if it's a project I'm doing for a client, I always clear it with them first.The reason this approach works with stock photography and isn't going to work with AI is because with AI, there's almost never a chain of legal custody over who owns the original image set that the AI is trained on, and if the person using it is ever required ot legally prove that they have the rights to use the image set, it could become a arduous legal case that might even require the person to prove in court that they can re-produce the AI gen without a data set containing no copywrite infringing images, and I don't think I need to explain how many hours of time in court that would mean. With a royalty free stock image all you have to do is provide the receipts that you paid for it, so they're really two completely different animals.
>>150252051>they're really two completely different animalsWell yeah.This one's a rabbit.
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>>150251915This. He didn't do it right.>>150251878If you genned an image, and traced it, then the resulting traced image is 100% not ai and you would not get caught.
>>150251878>Would anyone find out the truth if you took those couple of steps?For a lot of these professional artists that get caught using AI the issue is they ran up against a deadline, got sloppy and tried to pass straight AI off without the usual steps to hide it. I just watched it happen last week at dragoncon with an artist that has a portfolio thats 85% hand painted
>>150251849Did Disney publicly blacklist him by name or was it shared by the artist
>>150251961lol
>>150251849BLA BLA BLAFIRE TOM BREVOORT OR STFU.
>>150251990>but if you don't know how to draw you're going to get caught.You're dumb as shit, you only know about the ones who get caught because they were caught. Everyone, even the biggest AI haters, uses it.
I like how AIjeets will make the most bullshit claims from their ass in a poor attempt to save their bubble economyNo actual sorces, just "lol trust me br0"
>>150252497Tons of people are using AI but the question is, for what? In the conceptual and drafting stages, yes, it's going to be imperceptible. For the final pass though? The further into the background you look the more obvious it's going to be that you're looking at AI because it's being created by random shapes, not anything resembling a brush that you can use in Photoshop. In that Lorcana card, for example, look at the background. It looks like a bunch of colorful cancer tumors. A real artist doesn't draw like that, and a lazy hack who's overwhelmed by the power of AI is just going to leave it as is because they're not looking for mistakes that need to be fixed, they're just blown away by the fact that they got something resembling a "finished" art piece without having to draw it. He probably fixed some stuff like the face on the clock, but didn't touch the background because backgrounds are something that requires a lot of work for what some people consider to be little reward, even though being able to make a beautiful background even when it's not the image focus is a huge flex in art.
>>150252480Common Tom L
>>150251990>For actual artists who are using AI, it's basically just a high tech addition to their mood boards.Yeah this is how I use it
>>150251878Yes, mainly because AI artists don't have a good understanding of art direction/intention. It's like a pianist playing a guitar/organ synth without any experience in using a guitar/organ. You can play the right notes, but it'll sound off because you aren't playing any articulation from it.You need to have a good understanding of art in order to make your cheating believable, and even professionals get caught using it.
>>150253299AI is shit for actual comics but for single pictures or something like a splash page it's flexible enough that if you put enough effort into tracing/editing it afterwards nobody will be able to tell the difference. Especially since you can do img2img so you go sketch-> AI image-> final product in order to avoid having overly static poses and other typical AI flaws.
>>150253299>to make your cheating believableAnd I think you're cheating to use any computers at all, there's no scientific standard of what's 'real'
>>150251990Hot take: AI is bad, even for mood boards or concepts because of how it generates slop without context.The most creative ideas were made by people who derived from their personal life. To remove that process would not only make it appear nonsensical or extremely generic to users, it would also stifle innovations made in art. A lot of art styles were unintentionally >>150253434It's easy to tell because they make weird art direction decisions.>>150253495I don't know why you guys get pretty defensive from people pointing out that you're putting less effort into it than other artists. I code with Python, but I am not going to say that I am just as good as C++/Assmebly programmers. I use VSTs, but I am not going to say that I am just great/skilled as a person who uses actually hardware synths. It's only AI users who don't like it much when they're criticized for taking shortcuts and not making it believable.
>>150253695>Hot take: AI is bad
>>150253695That's because you're a code monkey, not a programmer. A programmer would understand that the tool needs to serve the task and doesn't mindlessly worship Assembly just because it's more hardcore.
>>150253495Drawing with a pencil on paper and drawing with a tablet are both drawing. Writing prompts is not drawing.
>>150251849He actually responded to the allegations:-He hasn’t been blacklisted-He cannot prove he didn’t use AI at this time due to legal issues-The Lorcana employee who accused him of using AI has deleted their tweet-He and his family has been getting threats
>>150253783Assembly programmers have a deeper knowledge of memory management and hardware because the language requires you to know them, and those are useful skills to know about if you want to create the most efficient program. If you think that it is a meaningless tool that is pointlessly worshiped, then you're mistaken. Either way, they are better than people who stick with Python.
>>150251849Okay so what's the problem?
Regardless the door does look like garbage.
>>150253885Yeah and garbage truck drivers have a deeper understanding of how a garbage truck handles. You're missing the point (again), monkey.
>>150251987Anon, they would know his real name, that's how employment works. I know you don't have much experience with jobs, but no one hires without knowing who works for them.
>>150253928I think the bigger issue is the chain. Look at that first fucking link. The thickness is all over the place.
>>150253931The only one missing the point here is yourself, hence why you have your ego hurt from pumping ai garbage that is easy for anyone to identify.
Is this the Alice in Wonderland thread?
>>150253695>Hot take: AI is bad, even for mood boards or concepts because of how it generates slop without context.I mean, you're not incorrect, in that if all your inspiration is coming from AI you are going to make derative looking work with no intention behind it. However, that doesn't mean there's no application for it.
>>150251961>hired worker isn't a hired worker because I don't like them personally
>>150253495Whether the line is physical or digital you're still in direct control of every stroke, that's not the case with AIslop.
>>150253833Ever since ai came along everyone seems to be so neurotic about drawing like the magic skill. It's always been kind of understood that some people are not going to be good at drawing but if you want to work in and create a field you learn how to do something else a lot of the best 3D animators are not very good at drawing outside some basic stick figures to get there ideas down. Even back in the olden days what you would do with you'd find someone who could draw and you would write and you both perfect your craft and you'd make a comic book together like this is not hard stuff I don't know what happened to society to make you all crazy but you guys are all crazy now
>>150253695>you're putting less effort into it than other artists.Not what they're saying, they are saying you are putting -no- effort in and deserve death. Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags.
>>150254998>Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags
>>150254998>Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags.
>>150254998Why do AI addicted people cling to itself obsessively. You know we all dick around with it here and there but this kind of neurotic defense and obsession over how AI so much better and you have to be accepted because you typed in a crappy little prompt that you pulled out of chat GPT I mean really do you guys have no self-awareness. I don't get it I don't get when you spam an entire goddamn website with endless amounts of derivative boring crappy AI in a desperate attempt to get some attention, even the most pathetic worst artist who sucks at drawing will sit there and in their own little place and post it you guys run around throwing the most crappiest rendered looking like poop on a stick stuff at everywhere you can that's what gets me the most about AI people isn't the use of the AI is it the spamming can't go anywhere with you guys not spamming every goddamn corner of the internet to try to show you what. I want to look for some DaVinci artwork you know why cuz I like his work instead I get to see some crappy AI spam crap pretending to be his work and I'm sitting there saying why do you think you're going to get famous by spamming I honestly do not understand the mentality.
>>150251849Great. It's good that the sloppification of animation is being delayed.
>>150251912>blueskytard melty
>>150254714>Even back in the olden days what you would do with you'd find someone who could draw and you would write and you both perfect your craft and you'd make a comic book together like this is not hard stuff.Writers are seen as idea guys and largely useless by drawfags. And since prompting involves writing to some extent, a lot of writerfags are falling for the Shadiversity meme that you can be an "AI artist" making use of the written word.
>>150252690I always read AI Jeets as ALJeets for some reason.
>>150251878I'm assuming it was more a time constraint thing than a skill issue. This guy likely had a lot of different commissions happening at once and needed a pic done in a day or two.
>>150255314I've seen the use of AI and some book covers about it the people who try to use it for comics like the fat man you just mentioned who spends half his time complaining about how he's not getting enough views yet still does not understand the basics of sword fighting and calls himself an expert yeah I would not listen to him for anything. The guys probably going to troon in a few years after he hits rock bottom which I would say is it about a 3 months. I think a lot of these AI conversations usually consist of someone screaming at you about how AI is the future then proceeds to spam everything up with it and then tries to convince you that there's a huge demand for it because you dealing with what five or six guys just constantly spamming let alone how many Indian bots. I'm not really opposed to ai and to begin with I just hate the spamming
>>150251997They are mad because there is a strong possibility that their new product cannot be trademarked and kept from reproduction and piracy. AI is still not totally decided in courts so this guy just made a massive liability for Disney in their new Lorcana line, which could also lead into a huge investigation into what else they might not be able to trademark and sell due to other artists using AI too. This can seriously affect their bottom line and that pisses them off more than anything else.
>>150254998Clearly artists don't work very hard!
>>150255090Linkedin is a goddamn mess when it comes to incredibly irritatingly smug as fuck AI bros showing off their "Skills" every single day. Half of them seem to be genuinely convinced that they are in fact the Rembrandts of our era right now and are very smug about how they are replacing the backwards luddites with lots of horse and buggy maker comparisons. More annoying than how places like Deviantart is nothing but 100-200 copies of the same character remade in AI by some autistic asshole that cannot grasp they are flooding the place. Multiplied over how many autistic assholes are there on a given day.
So, faggots, I gen an image then trace it, also fixing problems. Fucking OWNED! Also, I destroy the gen so you can't say i genned it because it's gone.How can you tell it's slop?
>>150251849good
>>150254505Which is why you...inpaint? You fix shit up? You don't just AI and go....oh, you tards thought that's how it's supposed to go like Indians and DA tards think?HAHAHAHA NOOOOOO NONONO.YOU HAVE TO WORK AI, LIKE A PAINT BRUSH OR A LINE OF CODE. IT HAS ERRORS, IT ISN'T ALWAYS A STRAIGHT PERFECT LINE!Then you art fucks or code cucks should be able to not use photoshop or c++. Those are TOOLS...MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING PHOTOSHOP ASSHOLES!
>>150251849Ok is Lorcana worth getting into? The Pokemon card market is absolutely fucked up thanks to scalper retards, I need a new card collecting hobby.
>>150255616>More annoying than how places like Deviantart is nothing but 100-200 copies of the same character remade in AI by some autistic asshole that cannot grasp they are flooding the place. Multiplied over how many autistic assholes are there on a given dayShit like this is ALL on the site admins and moderators across the board, probably some sort of gentleman's agreement to not regulate it beyond filters so they don't have to do any quality control work that an inevitable ban would force them to do
>>150254505>Whether the line is physical or digital you're still in direct control of every stroke, that's not the case with AIslop.You retards talk about AI and make these huge assumptions but you don't know fuck all about it. If you knew how much detail goes into it you wouldnt say half the shit you do.
>>150255950>>150256030calm down Rakesh
>>150255090Idiot it's the future, you're gonna use it too just like you started using computers.
>>150251849>also corporations: we can't wait to use AI to reduce the number of hours we give you to do a task, LOL
Weird how Disney gives a fuck about how a 2d image is produced, considering how they're going all CG. and digital animation instead of cel stuff.
These are $1,200.00 Lorcana cards. Say something nice about them.
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>>150251849Well deserved.
>>150256355I would very much like to fuck Minnie while sucking off Mickey.
Lol this is gonna kill Lorcana
>>150256433I'll allow it.
>>150256450How? It's a single commissioned artist who they are no longer using.
