If you look in their filmography before Cartoon Cartoons, you will notice majority of their shows only lasted 1 or 2 seasons. What happened? Couldn't they compete with Disney Afternoon, Warner and Nicktoons?You know you fucked up when Captain Planet and Tom & Jerry Kids were one of your bigger hits of the time.
>>150251935The toy commercial genre dying and kids being more interested in darker shows like Batman TAS, Beavis & Butthead, Ren & Stimpy and so on.
Interesting period in which other factors affected themOf course main thing is Disney took over syndication with high effort animation, and then WB filled the other half with their new content. Then Nick took over cable while CN was still being made. Leaving HB to have to truly compete for the first time in 2 decades.Thing is by the end they realized they had to get their shit in order so we started getting some bangers. Some got canned for other reasons, Swat Kats due to disagreements and not owning the character rights and 2 Stupid Dogs (which also could have gotten a Secret Squirrel spinoff) to make way for Cartoon CartoonsWhich is why you crop out the Cartoon Network shows. They finally realized the cable channel was the best place for their new content, and then that is when they could compete, when they started making Dexter
>>150251935Their output was basically stuck in the 80s mindset even though animation in the 90s was all about breaking that mindset. Note that the only real successes they had there were>Captain Planet, which was literally funded out of Turner's pocket himself and aggressively broadcast because he believed in the message personally>SWAT Kats, a show that actually leaned into the 90s action cartoon style and did phenomenally well, only cancelled directly because of Turner finding it too violent himself (rumored that he found Callie Briggs too hot and it bothered him that he was attracted to a cartoon catgirl but I'm unclear if this is just a rumor or not)>2 Stupid Dogs, an attempt to lean into 90s Ren and Stimpy-esque comedy, which was only really moderately successful and had people jump ship to work on their own projects as soon as they could
>>150252130>he found Callie Briggs too hot and it bothered himunless he admitted this himself this 100% sounds like a furry meme
>>150252130>what's that? A cartoon where a guy with a mullet constantly shit on america and white people? Infinite money.>hmm a show about sweet fighter jet maneuvers and a sexy cst lady secretary? Hey we cant have young boys growing up idolizing warrior culture and appreciating beautiful women. Can it.
>>150252013>>150252130SWAT Kats was cancelled for a ton of different reasons. The rights thing, Turner not liking the violence, it being easily the most expensive cartoon HB was airing, etc. It's enough for me to believe the Callie Briggs rumor regardless because it just seems like everything lined up against the show.
>>150251935they were old and near death.
>>150251935Ask yourself why would any 90s kid watch these shows? It's pure saturation, especially in an era when technology was evolving every year.
>>150251935A lot of them failed, but looking at that list a bunch were good shows. Pirates of Dark Water, SWAT Kats, and The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest were cool shows. Even Captain Planet was kinda fun to watch. 2 Stupid Dogs is a funny show and basically was the predecessor of all the great Cartoon Network shows. Lots of guys like Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken worked on it.
>>150252298>warrior cultureIt was just your average corny slapstick 80s cartoon except people didn't deploy parachutes. No gore, no blood, and no onscreen deaths. Gundam Wing was 1000x more violent
>>150251935>failednot sure by what measure you count it as failed, I absolutely loved half the ones in your posted. Either had every episode memorised or went as far as recording the op/ending songs on tape.just listen to this fucking banger:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sexI_NR9Bxs
>>150252183It's an older meme. He never said the character was too sexy, but he did hate violent cartoons which is why action shows like Swat Kats didn't get a fair chance unless they were pushing a message he approved of, like Captain Planet. Also note that despite having some action elements, Captain Planet almost never got violent. Fights were usually avoided or won with use of the ring powers rather than guns or fisticuffs.
>>150252130>>150252183>>150252298The thing about Ted Turner is just a meme comic by 1800.It was cancelled because merchandising did not take off. They had 2-3 episodes that did not get made, one was the return of Turmoil, another had Feral dating a succubus, and a third one had the swat kats climbing a winter mountain hideout cliffhanger/mission impossible style.
>>150254137>>150254148fucking hivemind
>>150252298>constantly shit on america and white peopleClearly you're too brainwashed by modern culture wars to remember the actual cartoon.
>>150252130>>150252309Swat Kats wasn't canceled because Turner didn't like the violence (Captain Planet was violent itself.). It was some anonymous executive who had the show canned.
>>150254160Not even a minute apart. Impressive.
>>150254093Uh huh. It was devoid of any of the typical excuses allegedly anti-violence censors have. The entire swatches schtick was non lethal weapons too. It just had a military looking jet in it and stuff like that sets the bleeding hearts off. Ted really just didn't like the idea of boys growing up with any notion that the use of force has a righteous place in civil society and luckily for him he was in charge and didn't have to debate his position.
>>150254137Yup there it is>swatcats was #1>appealed to boys>was edgey and energetic>canceled by fiat
>>150254176Nope. I rewatched captain planet as an adult in like 2009. Way before anything you consider to be part of "the culture war" was happening.
>>1502519351940s styled comedy based shows like Disney Afternoon and WB stuff were big, along with more comic based things like X-Men were replacing the action figure shows of the 80s. HB really couldn't compete with the bigger studios moving into afternoon and Saturday mornings. They stepped up their quality in the 80s but they were not about to try to compete with Disney Afternoon. Cartoon Network and their new output with the What A Cartoon show was more of a jump back to their HB roots, since a lot of HB guys worked on those. Very minimalist short form comedy was always what they were best at anyway.
>>150255748Turner taking over didn't really help them much either. That meant all HB content was kept to TBS mostly, maybe making an appearance on another cable channel but it hurt them pretty badly. Whereas before they had content on major networks, which brings in way more revenue, and could be more competitive. There is also the issue of 90s being a very big turning point for kids media. Before shows were made for Saturday mornings, and afternoons were for the much cheaper syndicated stuff and old saturday morning shows that made enough episodes to be syndicated too. The giants Disney and Warner took over afternoons and made them viable for more than old reruns of cancelled saturday shows, Fox actually put money and effort into making afternoons a dominant space.
>>150255972This, WAC was important.
>>150252013>Thing is by the end they realized they had to get their shit in order so we started getting some bangers. If by that you mean they now have a new parent with deep pockets to force them to shuffle the deck in a quick manner
>>150255972I am a millennial and I disagree. ME-TV shows classic Hanna Barbera can get ratings with 90s cartoons. The problem was that HB were crabby boomers and animators wanted their top rated show. Assuming you clear that hurdle, children were watching anime and not boomer vanity projects. Bill and Mr Quizzer had people skills and weren't afraid to be losers or old. Boomers though they could compete with Dragonball, Pokemon without merchandise.
Is /co/ old enough to remember the Hanna-Barbera influence of old CN?
>>150256811Why did they barely show Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry in their ads?
>>150256837Weird rights issues within Time Warner where they would have to pay to show Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry and DC on Cartoon Network since they're technically in different divisions
>>150256837Zoomer....
>>150256811Do you think the post-2010 CN talent is seething that they never get to work alongside Bill Hanna and Joe Barbara themselves?
