Who's going to be the John Lasseter?

>>150278847
Whos going to be Moe Lester?

AI will make better animated products than the last 30 years of animators, writers and directors
Those who aren't average hacks have nothing to fear, those who ARE average hacks and watch their income stream melt away

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>>150278821
Will this go anywhere? It's literally OpenAI pouring their Investment Capital cash into Hollywood's Dumb Money pots.

>>150278950
Shut up curry

the same company that's literally begging for more money cuz they managed to blow 8 billion dollars in like 3 months. AI is the only going to work if it's done through cheap hardware you can't keep running this thing through systems are costing too much the Chinese know that everybody knows that so now these claim companies are begging for bailouts and when they do piracy they're and have to pay copyright holders. This is probably the saddest industry you're going to see fall apart and send us into a Great depression and then in like 5 years everyone's going to be running their own AI stuff on their laptops and I was going to be laughing.

>>150279005
I actually support this, fuck venture capitalists. Let them sink their retarded blackrock bucks into a tech they don't understand like in the 2000s

And here we go again AI hype, we're going to see a bunch of the open mouth mouth breathing faces screaming about how AI just fixed ax and how it's not going to hallucinate all this other stuff and you know it's bad when they're getting this desperate. Now give it 5 years you're going to see crazy stuff but right now listening to these punchable nerds tell about things they have no concept of and a desperate attempt to convince the world that the magic box is really magic and not a retarded computer

>>150279076
If AI goes down, we're going down with it. More money is going into AI investment than is going into consumer spending. If AI doesn't deliver, then it's going to be a thousand times worse than the dot com bubble.

>>150279094
AI is probably going to win. When has anyone really cared about "art"? The new hit sitcom is a spinoff of Young Sheldon, the Lifetime channel is still going strong, and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver has won an Emmy every year for the past 9 years.

I think that would really pisses me off about AI is it actually going to be used for really good things but you can't have these dumb lying manipulative con men running around making up stories about what he can do and how it's going to fix everything and how it has to get smarter exponentially without even understanding of the underlying tech. People are just throwing money into a system without even the most basic understanding it's worse than the tech bubble of the 2000s because now everything is pets.com it's all this fugazi.

>>150279163
You don't understand the cost to actually get those videos and these companies lie through their teeth on the actual energy hardware. This is why they're burning billions literally billions of dollars to make really bad memes. I'm not saying the tech is not useful and in the future will probably get better but the current path they're going on is just going to lead to the Chinese winning because at the end of the day the Chinese are actually aware of how things work and are not just cargo cult addicted tech Bros. Who think that they are the new super genius Rembrandt/ genius programmers because they get something out of a machine without even understanding what it is. After all these vibe coders screw up everything you're going to see so many hackers breaking into every damn system because AI is so stupid it pulls code from so many different places you literally cannot fix an error or update. It's a walking disaster with a bunch of billionaires and government idiots throwing money into what they think is magical system.

>>150279159
Our money masters have been toying with the economy for over 20 years anon, I don't think we even have influence on that

>>150279163
The biggest pro of AI art is not having to deal with retarded artists

>>150279186
Anon please you must understand, investors really aren't that smart. The nerds that are really "about AI" and the financebros grifting its market cap into the stratosphere aren't the same group. If anything, Ideas Guys and dudebro financiers hate each other

With pretty much every new tech, all the early adopters are a small subset of high-IQ innovators, and snake oil salesmen and lazy faggots
Same thing happened when Adobe Flash cartoons began popping up

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>>150278821
>OpenAI
GIVE ME 500 BILLION DOLLARS
AGI SOON, PLEASE... PLEASE!!!!

>>150279159
>If AI goes down, we're going down with it. More money is going into AI investment than is going into consumer spending.
Just so as you know, foreign investors are already pulling their money out. Every indicator that says "this is ever so risky" is screaming blue murder for those willing to listen.
If I knew when the bubble was going to actually burst, I'd make billions. I ain't that wise.

>>150279163
It's not just "art." Any industry that relies on you working on a computer on any sort, with little to no physical work, will be subject to efforts to automate it using AI. Do you code? Do you write reports? Do you make spreadsheets? Do you input data? Do you analyse surveys? AI advocates will try to automate any task that requires any sort of computer and corporations will use this as an excuse to cut millions of jobs. The only secure high-paying jobs are the ones which require complicated hands-on work in a physical environment. Hell, a cashier has a better chance of keeping their job for the next five years than a junior programmer.

The only thing A.I is good for is making meme edits.

>>150278821
>AI powered film
so what exactly is the AI here? entire movie/animation? voices? script?

>>150278821
AI does not affect my interest in animated films one way or another; I already barely have any interest in them whatsoever.

>>150278821
Show an AI movie that doesn't suck first.

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>>150278821
Yeah I knew this sounded vaguely familiar

>>150278950
I can believe AI will make better films then what we've gotten recently, but that's because AI produces garbage while the studios are making sewage.

>>150279782
I've never been on the know for L&S so I can't comment on what you say about Saunders

That said, my main positive point of view for A.I. is that actually creative people can do way more with it. It will turbo-enhance Ideas people
As for hacks, they will end up penniless as the computer algorithm can create soulless crap easier and faster than they ever could

>>150279858
You're not technically wrong, but for the most part corporations are already trigger-happy when it comes to trademark infrigement, without AI getting involved. That's a separate issue really. Though if AI can kill big studios the way the internet killed newspapers I won't complain

This actually reminds me of how back in the 90s the music industry freaked the fuck out when peer-to-peer file sharing became commercially available. They screeched about how piracy would bankrupt them. And yet here we are

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>>150278950
I'd agree AI will most likely make good enough visuals some day if we keep throwing money at it but I don't trust AI guys to make anything worth watching, we'll probably get endless Family Guy shots with three characters standing there just saying stuff, not because the AI is too retarded to do better, but because that's what it gives at the third iteration and the underpaid prompt technician or whatever the job will be called will just shrug and say "oh well, good enough".

You can already see it in the tech demos, what's on screen is impressive but it's all shot like it's the first assignment in cinema school where they make sure you know how to turn the camera on and have a high enough IQ to hold it and walk at the same time.

>>150278992
It will fail, and the AI grift will be that much closer to collapsing.

>>150279893
>It will turbo-enhance Ideas people
Except "ideas people" just have ideas. They don't know what makes a compelling narrative, or what good cinematography looks like, or clever animation tricks that will help them pull off a particular aesthetic. They just have ideas that they want to make a reality, without the skills necessary to make them a reality. AI isn't a substitute for these skills, as it has no concept of cinematography, character design, narrative structure or anything else. It's just a pattern recognition machine that strings together data in a way that vaguely resembles an animated picture.
Even if AI learns to produce certain camera movements and animation tricks on demand, the ideas man will still need to learn all of them in order to make appropriate use of them and know when to prompt them.

>Deleted post wave
Kek what happened

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>>150278821
>two main selling points
>low budget
>accelerated production schedule

I am not against AI art, broadly speaking, but people need to recognize it has zero artistic value in a very real sense.
Actually, after this article, I'm changing my opinion to say it has negative artistic value

>>150280812
They said the same about CGI and look how that turned out. Pretty good for about 15 years and then stale, but the default. Nowadays everyone laughs at people who miss 2D.

>>150280359
>yes, I expected this. first adopters of AI are either literal geniuses who saw the potential for innovation early on, or lazy scammers who are the equivalent of the kids who copies all their homework

>>150280396
I was referring to Ideas People as in people who are actually creative. I didn't literally mean they have ideas and nothing else. Of course the ideas person needs to have skills/knowledge in other to direct the AI into doing what it wants
By its nature, A.I. is a tool - a very efficient tool that can reduce hours of effort to seconds in certain cases, but it is not the creator itself. Again, I don't think creative people have much to worry about, as AI literally can't replace them. Just vaguely emulate them (poorly).

>>150280812
The 'artistic value' argument is a proto-marxist argument that says something only has value because of the effort put into it. This is clearly false, just ask all the artists that had a quick doodle get a billion likes while their 'masterpiece' got no attention
And again, AI is a tool, not the artist itself

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>>150278992
I think they'll use AI to replace CGI here and there, there's probably a few things it can do.

I remember some MCU show where they had a guy whose only job was to make sure there weren't folds on the costumes in the few shots where they were physical, AI can definitely do those. Or those nanotech transitions could as well be slop considering you look at them for half a second, they barely make sense, and you hate them already.

>>150279163
Young Sheldon ended years ago, from the clips I've seen it's pretty hilarious that the trashy prequel spinoff seems way more heartfelt than the original like I can 100% believe they just wanted to make a totally unrelated show about an autistic kid and this was the compromise.

>>150280873
>Nowadays everyone laughs at people who miss 2D.
unless it's anime, to the point of being a marketing buzzword for netflix """"""anime""""""

>>150278821
With each passing week, the shiny promises that AI companies have been making for the last few years are losing their luster. It's gotten a little better, but the big breakthrough that makes it finally able to make a full show or movie never happened. The promise of fully AI generated content with zero jank, zero hallucinations, zero acid trip visuals, has yet to manifest and they're still investing billions in it like they're gonna figure it out any fucking second now.

>>150280873
>>150281441
Anime’s market share is projected to more than double in the next decade, at more than twice the rate of north american cartoons. It’s not going anywhere.

>>150281874
Not with the quality of anime dropping 30% annually it isn't

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>>150278821
>this dogshit slop cost 30 fucking million dollars to make
>Flow cost only 8 million to make
>Both Song of the Sea and Secret of Kells only cost 8 million each
>The Day the Earth Blew Up only 15 million
>pretty much any given anime movie doesn't come close to 30 million

What the FUCK are these dipshits trying to "democratize" when it's both more expensive than far more visually impressive films, and takes just as long to make? This shit's already nine months in production FFS.

>>150280444
It's yet another "sponsored" bot thread, so mods have to delete all posts calling them out for allowing AI companies to shit up the board with glorified ads.

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>>150282167
My mistake, Flow only cost 4.5 million to make! That makes this clownshow even more embarrassing! You can literally make your dream film in your own home right now just by being competent in Blender, and these jackoffs want you to believe this bloated grotesque plaguing machine is "the future".

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>>150278821
Probably dead by then, Don Bluth's probably gonna die tomorrow and I don't wanna live in a world with zero hope for pencil and paper animation.

>>150282167
>What the FUCK are these dipshits trying to "democratize"
If I had to hazard a guess, they have impotent rage in their hearts that movies like Flow and Secret of Kells can only be made by highly skilled specialists with a firmly controlled artistic vision that can't just be used to make anything anyone else wants whenever they want it. They don't think it's "fair" that some people have the ability to create amazing works of art about things they care about and about ideas they value, but everyone else can't do that whenever they want because that kind of talent takes a lifetime to develop.

>>150282167
Oh yeah when the investors see the production cost will only be 4 times as large as just hiring a bunch of underpaid part-time animators, surely they will put all their money on AI.
Honestly AI should be implemented in animation programs, potentially it could do some of the inbetween frames which would be a small help to industry workers. But being a small convenience for animators is not where the big investor money is.

>>150279888
Why don't you make something good then? You've got a computer just like them.

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>>150282167
That new Jesus movie was $20 million from a Christian sole founder. The richest guy you know could commission a Flow-scale feature if he’s willing to take the risk.

>>150282167
I could see several reasons the most generous I can think is either they really got more excited with the premise than the practicality because there's a lot of idiots fascinated by AI in of itself that or proof of concept, this is still cheaper than most bigger animated features if they could show they could compete they could stand to make a tidy profit and be on the ground level for AI slop movies with bigger companies.

>>150278821
Can a studio trademark any aspect of an Open AI made product?

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>>150278821
This piece of shit looks more demonic than a Labubu

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>>150282272
Wow I double checked those numbers and sure enough they're right. I read another article that framed it as "it's cheaper than Pixar movies" so I guess this is more of a pitch to detached execs who only see the world as big numbers on a spreadsheet. Openai is already getting heavily subsidized so this feels like yet another ploy to entrench themselves so deeply up the ass of another industry that they can pretend to be "too big to fail."

>>150282713
This. All the "democratizing creativity" talk is from retards who think they'll be able to ask one AI to make up a cool idea for them, and then have another AI make it real. They think it's bullshit that other people can just imagine cool things on their own.

Corporate types love the idea because it promises to remove the headache of having to work with hundreds, if not thousands, of different creatives, actors, writers, etc etc etc. It's the promise of total executive control, perfectly matched to the imaginary perfect AI-generated script, made by asking the AI to generate a script for the perfect movie that will make a gorillion dollars.

>>150279554
Something about knowing that every tech company over-invested in a bubble about to be sent hurdling to the ground is gonna be an interesting scenario to say the least.
Just, an entire pillar of the current economy that they spent decades hyping up as the most viable job path is about to go up in flames and even the golden parachute CEOs aren't entirely safe because they'll have no expertise or business etiquette outside of the industry they fucked up.
The fireworks are gonna be wild.

>>150279888
>>150280359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PqojwgFho

I really do wonder what a bubble-popping moment looks like when a pyramid scheme is grifting off the upper-class rather than the middle-class for a change

>>150278821
Looks like shit.

>>150278821

Apparently the process is that the film is still written by a human, scored by a human, and drawn by humans, but AI is going to "finish" sketched artwork. And by finish, I mean suck the soul out of by simplifying and/or removing features like ears since it can't tell the difference between a scarf and a mouth.

So "AI-powered animated film" in this context really means an "animated film that we slapped a bad filter on so that the rubes who believe in this nonsense will give us more money".

>>150282648
Bluth hasn't made anything worth mentioning in 25 years. Time to let go, anon.

>>150286543
>it can't tell the difference between a scarf and a mouth
anon coming to us from the distant past of last year.

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>>150282713
>but everyone else can't do that whenever they want because that kind of talent takes a lifetime to develop
That's the thing though, it absolutely doesn't. The creators of Cuphead knew nothing about traditional animation, game design, or music before Cuphead, yet they worked as hard as they could to learn those skills on their own, and created a once in a lifetime miracle game.

And even if it does, that time is going to pass anyway. Why not spend it honing a skill and growing as a person? Problem is AI bros aren't interested in either, they just want cheap dopamine hits.

>>150283697
You're not wrong, it's just baffling hiw these AI bros are trying to compete with the big boys like Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks when they can't even compete in the little leagues. So much of even the indie scene is running laps around this garbage at a lower price tag.

>>150285554
It’ll be funnier than the NFT get rich quick crash because they actually got people to believe in this one long enough to invest

>>150278821
They're actually hedging all of these billions of dollars on being able to make cartoons? Cartoons that not only does no one want to watch, but will never make back the money from the initial investment?

BUT what about our TWEETS!!!!! I THOUGHT WE STOPPED AI GUYS WITH OUR MEAN TWEEEEETS!!!! WHY ISNT IT WORKING!!!!!! I THOUGHT WE ENDED AI FOREVER WHAT ABOUT AI SLOP!!!! WHAT ABOUT OUR BOYCOTTS!!! NO NO NO! WE STOPPED IT WHY IS AI CONTINUING TO ADVANCE! NO! NO! NO! NO! THIS ISN'T HAPPENING AI WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER!!!!

>>150286543
It is pretty fucking stupid to waste $30 million on this as it can be done for less than a grand right now and will look basically the exact same.

>>150285554
When the bubble bursts, that won't kill AI. It'll just kill the insane amount of speculation and investment surrounding AI. Billions, if not trillions of dollars, will vanish into a black hole with no return on the investment, but AI will continue to slowly improve over time and replace more and more jobs. It's just the thousands of scams that claim to be AI-driven but actually just use Indians and ChatGPT wrappers that will die in droves.

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>>150289049
>buy my AI its totally working guys
>2025 MIT study finds 95% of AI adoption is setting money on fire
>big business quietly ditching it without nuking tech relationships
>Moar astroturfing ftw

>>150289078
That's assuming that it never gets better. AI improvements will create new scalable models.

>>150289090
For every one of them that is legit, there will be ninety-nine that are just Mechanical Turks or cleverly disguised ChatGPT. The potential of AI will just cause more and more grifters to swarm over it and beg for speculator bux.

>>150278821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn0qEeDJQqE

>>150289090
>surely people will EVENTUALLY use this technology made exclusively for lazy sociopaths to make something a lazy sociopath wouldn't make!
I'm sorry anon. It's not going to happen. It's like expecting the bored ape club to make the next Duckman

>>150289090
>Most GenAI systems do not retain feedback, adapt to context, or learn over time.
Your line is how AI got its foot in the door, but no one who bought it on that basis is going to knowingly walk into continual purchases of incremental iterations to a product that they know doesn’t increase in value.

>>150289090
we've already started seeing the limitations of the tech, diminishing returns have made further improvements extremely hard aside from feeding larger amounts of sample data into them. the cost of developing AI that can truly replace non-exceptional humans will almost certainly end up being way more expensive than just paying people to do shit, and that's not even touching on the energy requirements.
in a few years the bubble will pop, interest in AI will implode and will not be renewed until the next huge breakthrough. this has already happened like three or four times btw.

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>>150278821
Reminder that we already had the "first AI anime" in Twins Hinoha, and it was so utterly terrible it was just ignored immediately after it aired. I'm serious, there have been zero threads about it on /a/ after its premier, that's how bad it was. Also it wasn't even "AI", it was mostly rotoscoped CGI with an AI filter over it because AI models inherently cannot do animation.

There's zero reason to believe this won't be the exact same shit, just a glorified marketing stunt to keep this grift alive a little longer.

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>>150278821
>taking a clickbait article about an investor scam seriously

>>150278992
Of course it won’t

>>150280367
>make a movie on a comedically low budget
>failing
That'll only happen if literally nobody knows it exists, or if not a single person is interested in seeing it.
>the AI grift will be that much closer to collapsing
Not when the government itself is printing money just to dump it all into it, for totally non-nefarious purposes, I'm sure...

>>150279005
This is the grift. AI is cheap now because companies are running at a loss. They’re desperately trying to get individual consumers and corpos hooked and reliant on their services so they can push out all competition. Then they’ll start to squeeze with subscription and licensing fees that will start off small but steadily increase.
This is how literally every tech startup has worked in the last 15 years and yet people fall for it every time. AI will inevitably cost more and we’ll get shittier results.

>>150289610
>AI is cheap now because the government is dumping billions into it for propaganda an surveillance purposes
Fixed.
>They’re desperately trying to get individual consumers and corpos hooked and reliant on their services so the state has a pseudo-intelligent algorithm that min-maxes for pattern recognition to make better, personalized propaganda based on minute actions you don't even think about
Fixed again.
>AI will inevitably cost more and we’ll get shittier results
Yes, WE will; not the "people who matter," who are actually footing the bill. All that'll cost more is your water and electricity at home, by the way.

>>150289610
They hope that will happen because AI shills are telling them the product works, but it’s really snake oil with unsustainable hardware demands and a hard ceiling to model training supply that other SAAS products don’t have to worry about so its days are numbered

>>150289687
>its days are numbered
It would be, if it wasn't the vested interest of a very powerful minority of people...

>>150289717
Rule 1 of startup failure: hype the product before it collapses so you aren’t the one left holding the bag. Founders need that vested interest in order to exit, so they’ll spin the story however they want.

>>150281183
Someone sent the studio a script about a young autist in a small town, and Shekelboomer said, "we own The Big Bang Theory, yeah? Let's make it about Sheldon as a kid!"

>>150289732
That'd make sense... if that vested interest wasn't someone legally capable of printing their own money.

>>150289749
>unsustainable hardware demands and a hard ceiling to model training supply
Infinite money would matter if the physical limits to how useful AI can get compared to the expense weren’t already in sight

>>150289687
>its days are numbered
Looool, "this time AI is finished im sure of it"
If only negativity could stop the biggest technological revolution in human history

>>150289760
>>150289654 (*and)

>>150289798
>>150289792
Anyone ever notice how the only counterargument to AI objectively failing is paranoid delusion

>>150289792
>If only negativity could stop the will of a government with infinite money combining the propaganda apparatus with the surveillance state to make the most effective propaganda for the most people with production-line efficiency or above
Fixed.

>>150289810
>objectively failing
You mean some tranny journalist noting that most start-ups fail, and retards take that to mean AI = bad

>>150289810
>paranoid delusion
Right, it's not like the US Federal Government doesn't have contracts with almost every tech company and telecom under the sun to spy on their users...

>>150289816
>effective propaganda
So why isn’t it working?

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>>150289090
>AI improvements will create new scalable models.
But they won't, because the AI is not inventing anything, its just glorified search engine. It is just as intelligent as you pushing ctrl+f on your keyboard. It will always be derivative work and its quality will always depend on the source material.

Latest models still keep fucking up the hands because source material on the internet for "hands" is too varied and complicated compared to 3/4 angle face and boob closeups. So skillful editors use Motion Cap or 3D model plugins to get around the issue of AI not understanding how hands or fingers work.
>inb4 using plugins is part of training AI.
No its not, the AI didn't learn anything, it will keep fucking up the hands in the future and you have to manually tweak it every time.

>>150289827
>why doesn't the thing that doesn't exist yet exist yet?

>>150289831
AI is gonna (continue to) change the world You would have to have your head in the sand to deny what is happening. Do you not realize how so much on the internet is AI written, so many videos and music are AI made. It will only continue to accelerate, until everyone can make their dream movies, videogames, books, be a pop singer.

>>150289882
Which AI did you use for that lazy pasta?

>>150289882
source: trustmebro dot inc

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>>150289882
>until everyone can make their dream movies, videogames, books, be a pop singer.
Reminds me of game dev Chris Wilson who just commented on a new trend of people sending him game idea pitches that are clearly written by AI.
>"If you decide to send an incredibely long design document that is clearly AI written as your resume, can you please just send me the prompt? OK thanks"

>>150289882
>It will only continue to accelerate, until everyone has their free will subverted by a hyper-efficient surveillance/propaganda machine
Fixed.

>>150278821
Betting it's going to be like that "AI enhanced" version of The Wizard of Oz that actually was a bunch of animators doing the work and the promoters lying because AI is the hot new buzzword to throw around.

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>>150279818
Have the Paddington writers killed

>>150282272
where the fuck did they get 4.5 million dollars

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>>150278821
>Where were you when the animation industry finally died?
Umm... Doing nothing?

>>150278821
They want 30 million dollars to make this.
Guilllermo Del Toro’s Pinocchio took 35 million to make and it was fucking stop motion. Every character was moved one frame at a time by humans.
The Day The Earth Boew Up, Wallace and Gromit: A Vengeance Most Fowl, Flow, and Robot Dreams each cost 30 million or LESS.
What the fuck is the point?
AI is a grift.

>>150291676
There's an assumption that 3DCG is superior to 2D because if you don't adjust for inflation 3D makes more money

>>150289882
Tasteless faggot detected