I'll admit that it has a certain "Ralph Bakshi" indie-punk appeal to the production, If Ralph Bakshi was bad at animating and had a obsession with crappy early 2000s toyetic monster tournament animes dubbed by 4KidsEntertainment, but again, so do i
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>>150305191Is that panpizza himself?
Ricky, you whitephobic little shit, stop shilling your fucking Blameitonjorge diaper show here.
>>150305271If you ask two anons, one will tell you this is Pan trying to crossdress with foundation and trying to play angles with the camera. If you ask the other anon they will tell you it's not Pan because Pan is fat now and his nose is off.Personally, I think the nose point is mute as he has put on weight and the shot is at a downwards angle, so the nose is going to look off compared to a side angled shot for instance. If you look at his older akinny long haired photos where he has shaved there is an uncanny resemblance with the crossdress photo.Either way: it's in character if it was him.
>>150305332Much more detailed answer that i've expected, thanks.
>>150305148This is literally powerpuff girls OC
I’d hate to say it but I really liked it
>>150305148sexy green man
>>150305351How
>>150305148What the fuck are you talking about this has no quality similar to Ralph Bakshi. Fuck you are stupid Pan. You want to look like Invader Zim mixed with Powerpuff Girls and have no idea how to pull that off, and your plot is a D-tier shonen series that makes no sense.
>>150306616Bakshi was cheaper, crummier and inconsistent
>>150305148Will this thread also be shitted up by actual schizos?
>>150305148>>150305191Previous thread:>>150263796No, Pan I am not going to redesign and rewrite the show for you unless it's my own show. Bianca & Loki have to go or be rebooted into winners.Everytime a Loki IRL thread pops up just hit Pan with these shows:Hero InsideZenshuDi-Gata DefendersMegaman Battle NetworkHuntikDigimonBen 10Son of ZornCool World (movie, not Tv show)Previous thread:>>150263796
>>150305191>that posterSTOP YOU'LL SUMMON HIM
>>150307220That's every thread now though
Ouch.
>>150307527pan btfo
You owe me $10 for this post, Pan.1.>So LokiIRL's world is actually The Matrix >There's this cult group called the 4th wall where they think they're living in a simulation and the protagonist agrees with that worldviewUh huh while that sounds interesting on paper there's some distinct differences that makes your idea shittier beyond the obvious stuff like you not being able to animate it.Inside the matrix there are no robots, AI, etc. beyond agents that nobody knows about beyond the redpilled people. So the robot discovery comes off as genuinely chilling.Also robots don't combine with humans in a transhumanist way like your comic/cartoon does... which by the way you have no idea that you wrote transhumanism stuff did you Pan? you redneck. So how would the logic even go? Humans created cartoon characters and the cartoon characters took over the world and put every human in pods? What about the hybrids? Are cartoon characters specist against hybrids too just like humans are?What do you imagine the real world Earth cartoon characters' vehicles, weapons, buildings to look like compared to the robots from the matrix? How do the real world cartoon characters differ from the computer simulation one? Are they extra big and eldritch? Are they Aku tier? How do the pods look like? Aku towers? normal beds? anvils and pianos? Are the humans strapped to pianos and fart cushions? are they strapped to Simpsons gag couches? You do realize The Matrix is an actual cyberpunk hacker sci-fi world with emo imagery where the matrix itself looks and feels like a normal late 90s world and the Earth itself looks nothing like Blade Runner? You do realize people come for that, right? Not for the toon equivalent you'd see in Cool World, right? where everything looks like Tim Burton and Beetlejuice's backwoods with spiral roads and cheap looking buildings and the equivalent of surrealist paintings... such as Salvador Dali 2. to be continued
>>1503077592.Many other shows like YuGiOh, Beyblade, BDaman did this whole parody shtick already and they got treated for what they were; funny parodies and toy commercials, you realize that, right, Pan?AND IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN TIMES PHARAOHS USED TO PLAY CHILDREN'S CARD GAMES AND IN THE FUTURE WE PLAY CHILDREN'S CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLESIN B-DAMAN WHERE EVERYONE USES BALLS, THE EARTH IS ONE GIANT BALL READY TO BE FIRED LIKE A BULLET OR USED AS A SOCCER BALL OR BASKETBALL CAUSE THIS IS WHAT HUMANITY, THE WORLD, EVERYTHING REVOLVES ON. Also because this is the message and theme of the show.AND IN ANCIENT TIMES SPINNING TOPS WERE PLAYED BY GRUG HIMSELF AND A GIANT SPINNING TOP CALLED A BEYBLADE ERASED THE EVIL DINOSAURS AND SPAWNED THE ULTIMATE BEYBLADE, THE ULTIMATE SOURCE OF POWER OF THE BEYBLADE AND ALL SPIRIT ANIMALS. THANK YOU METEOR BEYBLADE, WE WORSHIP YOU. AND IN SPY DOGS, DOGS INVENTED HUMANITY, DOGS INVENTED THE PYRAMIDS, DOGS INVENTED THE COLOSSEUM, DOGS RULES, HUMANS DROOL, MWHHAHHAHAHA *ahem the dog handed over a script* "Dog Zero says that under no circumstance will we see humans as pets neither enslave them despite being far more intellingent than them" "Huh I wonder who wrote that *shreds it* yeah fine whatever"And same deal with cat-centered shows which aren't as many as dog shows, but still push for the "Our X are amazing, you faggot humans must kneel and BUY OUR TOYS, BUY OUR TOYS, BUY OUR FUCKING TOYS"That's what people will treat your parody of The Matrix which you aren't even capable of making it entertaining. I've seen protagonists who aren't the chosen ones or actively reject their chosen ones destiny such as Mothafuckaz and the movie was a 6/10, but compared to your pilot it's a 20/10.
>>150307772>What if I write it in an entertaining way?You won't, Pan. You're obsessed with your misery porn revolving Bianca & Loki being jobbers and failures worse than Naruto. >But what if I write it seriously?You won't, Pan. Also at best you'd only attract teenagers into anime who believe anything and manchild weirdos. Just like Teen Titans 2000sWriting funny TMNT cartoon characters seriously in a Kids Next Door and Fillmore way where you take even the most mundane thing and go edge edge donutsteel with it requires maturity which from Pan's behaviour he clearly lacks.Like many Sonicfans yelled, no it isn't because your character looks like Blue Garfield or Blue Felix the Cat, it's because you can't take yourself seriously so you destroy any immersion.You can absolutely go balls to the walls edge edge donutsteel regardless of your art style like many many many other people have did before with Mirage Turtles, Nine Sols (pic related), Kaiba and the list goes on.But adults would rather see an adult than Recess Warriors, Recess, Fillmore even if you shove Ave Maria in Recess and the manchildren start going "See? see? it's mature!!" I am clearly seeing a cartoon character. Adults are just as shallow as manchildren who are obsessed with cartoon characters. You need a live action human to be taken seriously outside of teenagers and weirdos. That's why CGI is more popular than 2D, CGI/3D lends itself more to suspending your disbelief even if the writing sucks ass.My parents accidentally watched Halo & Teen Titans simply because it had live action actors in it... and also because it was marketed as a serious sci-fi show among the many other shows they watch rather than a cartoon. The moment a show looks and acts too autistic and made for 14 year olds who want to see Hello Kitty punching Satan in the nose is the moment you lose your adult audience. Why does it have to be a cat in a pink dress and not a human in a suit?That'll be $9.99 plus tax, Pan.
>>150307527We were surprisingly nicer.
>>150307759>>150307772>>150308006tldr faggot lol
>>150305191He has early 18th century facial phenotype, he just made the error of becoming obsessed with the 2000s instead.
>>150308248$10 for the TL;DR, faggot.
>>150307527>that last paragraph Imagine being jealous of this>>150305191
>>150307527I wonder who ended the golden age of indie animation LS Mark or Vivziepop
>>150307220That's seemingly all there is to it at this point. 3 full threads of notes, revisions and comic reviews. Anything from now on is just pickmies convinced Pan is watching and want to be heard. The flaws outweigh the passion enjoyment wise so like Loki Irl in the past people will post about it and move on because of lack of content from the original source. And probably just go back to being a supporter of Pan's vids whenever they come out. It's not a turd like some pilots where the animation is the best part but, it's not a hit pilot like Hazbin or TADC where people gush about the style and write their OC's into the world immediately. Which is seemingly the main selling point. People want high value concepts these days with the power vacuum network TV dying is leaving
>>150305148So it's another attempt at a Roger Rabbit kind of situation again?
>>150309307Essentially.To be fair, Loki IRL would have been a fine Newgrounds/SLG comic back in the late 2000s. I like Pan and am impressed he actually got this out, but this missed its window of relevancy by a good decade.
>>150307527That is something a lot of the current youtube pilots have that I noticed. The whole>reviews say stuff like "I'm so proud of you" rather than "This is a good cartoon."Which is a lot of things lately, they just congratulate the creator for creating it, with no commentary on the cartoon being worth watching at all. Like the fact that it exists is all the merit is should need and existing is the only reason why it should be picked up by some big studio and made into a full series. I really hate how the angry old boomers were right about the participation trophy generation.
>>150307527>More expensive than 99% of Newgrounds projects This is what gets me.Every online animation wants to be a "pilot" now
>>150305148no it doesn't have a ralph bakshi appealyou faggot
>>150308006>But adults would rather see an adult than Recess Warriors, Recess, Fillmore even if you shove Ave Maria in Recess and the manchildren start going "See? see? it's mature!!" I am clearly seeing a cartoon character. Adults are just as shallow as manchildren who are obsessed with cartoon characters. You need a live action human to be taken seriously outside of teenagers and weirdos. That's why CGI is more popular than 2D, CGI/3D lends itself more to suspending your disbelief even if the writing sucks ass.Wasn't Stranger Things really popular for adults?
>>150305191MODSSS MOOOOOODSSSSSS
>>150307527I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking a minute at the beginning of a pilot to give a brief infodump on the show. Invader Zim’s pilot started with one and I’m sure theres others
>>150309307Roger Rabbit as a battle shounen
The viewcounts should not be this close for a pony video in 202X
>>150308006>Recess Warriors,If anyone from the storytime thread is here, I just wanted to post that the series was actually a webcomic under a different name originally uploaded in 2011 (which explains that one really dated reference near the end of the first book) before being published in 2017 as a graphic novel with a sequel released the same yearhttps://comicsastonish.com/2011/12/14/tales-of-armstrong/#more-360https://web.archive.org/web/20111231155053/http://www.talesofarmstrong.comNormally I post as much information as I could find after a storytime but I only found out about this now after the thread got archived (and the writer actually uses a pseudonym for his kids books so that's why I couldn't find things out right away)
>>150309846How long until indie creators start going bankrupt from this?
>>150311120Most of them pay out of pocket, so they'll just continue eating ramen and shilling merch until they have enough for episode 2, which might never happen.Imagine the psycho who takes out a loan to finance their show.
>>150309846I wish we got more 3-5 minute animated web series made by like 4 guys instead of these bloated indie showcases
>>150311120Honest question where do these spergs get all that money?
>>150311493Pan probably saved as much as he could from YT revenue.Zeurel has a patreon that is actually bringing in a decent amount. He also sells plushies, does freelance work, and also gets some funding from Newgrounds for timed exclusivity.
>>150309846Hazbin hotel fucked over web animation. Now everyones spending 20k+ on a pilot in hopes of getting picked up and audiences expect high quality animation and won't accept anything less.>>150311284>Imagine the psycho who takes out a loan to finance their show.I can't remember who it was exactly or what youtube video I was watching but some autist was using his credit card to pay voice actors, animators, etc. for an animation pilot that only got a couple thousand views.
>>150311750> credit cardGood Lord.I can admire having faith in your work, but that's just gambling with worse odds.
>>150311120Do you think we might head to a indie animation crash? same way the video game crash of 1983 or the dot com bubble of 2000 did
>>150311989If YouTube keeps the censorship up, possibly
>>150311120>implying they aren't already bankrupt before even releasing said pilots
>>150309846Do you think all the pressure of web communities saying someone "won" may be forcing that
>>150311120Imagine spending 50k on a video that gets 100k views. Does it even make money back?
>>150311989its not even indie with a budget like that. the problem is retards trying to convert indie into its own expensive industry.
>>150305191He seriously reminds me of a Persian friend of mine, like the exact same autismo stare
>>150309553I don’t know, on the one hand I do think it’s cool when someone is able to be creative and put enough effort and time into making a cartoon, but I definitely think actual criticism needs to be allowed so the artist can grow
>>150311120I want zeurel to succeed, but fuck he needs to be more practical about this >cut down eps to like 11mins, maybe 15>don’t use super smooth animation all the time, still shots are fine, especially with good shading and coloring
