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One time alex hursch took a shit in the Disney garbage can
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>>150305731Someone post the story of Jim Steranko bitch slapping Bob Kane.
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>>150305768>"I'm coming down right now. I'm a scrawny guy with a receding hairline, mustache and glasses. Call me 'Stan' and I'll answer you guys."
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>>150305777KEK!
Ward Kimball was one of the funnier old age Disney animators.>Rose to become a Supervising Animator fairly quickly at a young age after starting as a inbetweener in the basement>Was known for playing jokes on people and getting his work done faster than anyone else which pissed off the other animators when it looked like he was slacking off>He would practice his band sessions in his office at the studio with his assistant animators, or simply take naps at work, allegedly even looking out his office once before and exclaiming "it's time for nappy wappy!">Despite all of this he was mostly on good terms with Walt Disney, even having more balls to argue with him more than the other artists would which probably made Walt respect him more, apparently he was the only animator that actually took a company retreat with Walt to study trains because they both had a train fascination>During this retreat he recalled wanting to order Beef Stew that was famous at a restaurant they were going to, Walt ordered a Filet Mignon, rare, to the waiter, then asked Ward what he was ordering, Ward asked for their world famous Beef Stew and Walt immediately frowned his face and annoyedly said "Oh Christ, Beef Stew? Really?" then turned to the waiter and said "He means he wants the Filet Mignon also" which Ward awkwardly sat there and said nothing to.>Ward was constantly having his animation rejected by other supervising animators and managers for it being too goofy and prioritizing presentation instead of believable character performance>He was assigned to do the entire song scene in The Three Caballeros and nearly had all of it cut because they thought "it didn't make sense". It was supposed to get cut before Walt would see it but Walt ended up loving it and saying "Shit don't you know when something is funny?" when told they were going to cut it.>Ward also admitted that he and the other artists drew pornography of Snow White while working on the movie
>>150305777Well, in 1941 Stan was a scrawny 19 year old with no facial hair.But it was funny just the same.
>>150305790Dude got ding dong ditched
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A tough 5'2 guy who picked up a 17 year old when he was in his 20s and proposed to her on her 18th birthday.
I don’t know how many of you know this, but King Kirby was an inbetweener at Fleischer Studios for a brief period.
>>150305790Why does Kirby look like he's in his 60s in the 1940s?
>>150308083A lot of people looked like that back then because they lived less sedentary lifestyles, drank liquor like it was water, and smoked cigs like it was air.
>>150308218In the comic, he looks no older than 35 in that pic.
>>150305790So...were they really Nazis or was it just a bunch of punk kids teasing Jack for being a comic book artist?
>>150308083Smoking, basically. That is the reason why teenagers from the 80's looked so rough.
The chuddies aren't flooding into this thread to shriek about normal people hating nazis because they didn't get baited by the first page
>>150308502It's a pretty famous story about Kirby, and as >>150308293 mentions, it was likely someone just yanking his chain.
>>150308083I hope I look that good at 60.
>>150308502not enough cropped article titles desu
>>150308502Not enough trans people
>>150308502A 5'2 Jewish man with a chip on his shoulder is normal?
>>150308028Wasn't Fleischer closing its doors the reason why he ended up at Timely to begin with? They needed artists who could work quickly, and since he had experience as an inbetweener, they hired him pretty quickly.
Not funny
>>150309946Why?
>>150305731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdcOR179_Q
>>150308293>Kirby had his own yancy street gang
>>150310452What level of framerate is this?
>>150308552Maybe, or maybe these Nazis didn't think that the guy who made Hitler getting punched would ACTUALLY come down and beat them up. They probably thought he was just some flimsy artist and nothing further.I'm pretty sure if they did stick around, they would quickly regret.
>>150310452>>150310620Not sure, but I also forgot to add the context.TL;DR Richard Williams meeting Milt Kahl one day and asks him a simple question....
>>150305739>>150305747>>150305756I love how he’s drawn looking like Ben
>>150306647> allegedly even looking out his office once before and exclaiming "it's time for nappy wappy!"Holy Kek, I cant imagine the seethe from the other animators
>>150306647> Ward also admitted that he and the other artists drew pornography of Snow White while working on the movieGod these guys were based
>>150310652Comics aren't real life, a single man isn't going to take on half a dozen other men and win.
>>150309128He looks like the type of guy that would walk Bob Dylan up on stage
>>150308293It may have been an office prank. Or the Nazi types saw someone coming out and realized "Wait, he'd have like, a bunch of guys in his corner, this was a bad idea." and ran off.
>>150311567Well they ran away like pussies, so there's your point sunk.
>>150308502>>150310652>>150312197>Heh, Nazis are pussies, not like a feminist fighter like myself!Yeah, I'm sure every nazi would be shaking at the thought of a bald virgin redditor coming for them. You show 'em, champ.
>>150312322I'm pretty sure one of your cultural leaders was just shot in the fucking throat a second ago by a bald redditor
>>150306647This photo really makes him look like a real life cartoon
>>150305790It was obvioudly the Yancy street kids
>>150312607I swear to god he looks like Christopher Lloyd. Hell that it's an old guy is weird.Why is he petting his head though?
>>150312607I don't care about that tool, and the shooter is too old to be a redditor.Sorry, you'll always be an incel, no shooting is gonna change that.
>>150312882NTA, but I understand after years on 4chan, that you truly cannot convince anyone that ingrained into the "other side" of anything other than what they already firmly believe. Frankly though I can't get into heads like yours and wonder "why DO you think this?" It's very clear people are not happy with the current administration and you're just trying to throw up your hands like this is "no biggie" when it should be EXTREMLY alarming for anyone, left or right in what's supposed to be a First world nation.But yet you still cling to culture wars like it's the hottest conflict in humanity. "Sorry you'll always be an incel, no shooting is gonna change that.". What a limp wristed attempt to "throw it back" at the anon.
>>150312322This isn't about a feminist fighter, it's about a built comic artist in the 40s getting a crank call and cracking his knuckles.
>>150312958>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO CARE ABOUT LE ORANGE MAN!!! LE ORANGE MAN BAAAADlmao no I don't, but you go ahead and keep getting angry at the strawman in your head.It isn't Trump fault you're a virgin btw.
>>150312975I wasn't referring to Kirby.
>>150312958I should also add I'm sadly certain the next thing someone will type (assuming they don't beat me already frantically typing) is to go "but what about the liberal->>150313000Speak of the god damned devil.I didn't even say to care about orange man. See this is exactly what I mean by I can't get into your head. This is always a reaction when you get called out, gently or otherwise. You won't argue, you won't introspect, you won't ask "why". You'll throw up the walls, throw a slogan or buzzphrase or dog while or whatever at me, basically plugging your ears and going "la la la la la" and then going about your merry way like I'm some agent of destruction and not a fellow human on my knees begging the question, How do you even come to this point that this is just how you act? Do you ever turn it off? Is it just some troll, or are you absolutly committed?Or are you just going to again tell me to piss off and not to bother. Because frankly if you are, you can spare me your rhetoric and just tell me to piss off, straight to the point.
>>150313016Yet that's how the conversation started. But then Kirby get's replaced with a "Reddit feminist" because in your head, that's the only way your side even wins a fight like that is to just go "oh they're just basedboys, don't question if any Leftist has ever either gone to the gym, learned CQC, or picked up any weapon ever, they're all just Pacifists". This odd obsession with trying to vilify the right in any context. That says alot. That maybe a group of nazis harassing Kirby probably would have been decked, or even called on and arrested (Since being a Nazi in America during WWII is about as healthy as being a Black man with swagger in a sundown town).
>>150313065>me already frantically typingJesus you're pathetic, and the rest of your post is no better. Touch grass.
>>150305790And everyone clapped.
>>150313128As anyone can see. He does not want to argue with me. He doesn't want to challenge my points. He doesn't want to even try beyond just snarling at me in the hopes that I leave.I will. Have a nice day sir and or madame.
>>150313104>>150313176Back to plebbit you go lil' autistic virgin.
>>150305731Why is Jack Kirby already grey in the 40's?
>>150313322Drinking and Smoking? They did alot of it back before like the 60s/70s when it all got cut back, and that stuff can age you early. Or other factors like stress (Being a hard working artist is one thing. doing it during Wartime is another, having supposed Nazis call to harass and intimidate you for just drawing a cartoon of someone punching hitler)Just look at some images of US Presidents Pre Year one of their Presidency vs like after their last year as President.
>>150312197They weren't genuine Nazis. You think gangs, lynch mobs are that cowardly? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOXTYf2WRvkJust some little snots having a laugh.
>>150311673It's hard to know for sure what the truth of the matter is. These people were gone by the time Jack got down there. Although, I find it suspicious that they knew exactly where to reach him and when. I don't think some random person is going to know that kind of information without doing some serious legwork. So the probability of it being an office prank is pretty high. At the very least, one of the people involved might have worked with Jack.
>>150314145I guess I should say it's suspicious that they knew when to reach him, not where, as the location of the Atlas offices would be public knowledge.
A page from The Dreamer by Will Eisner recollecting a story about Kirby.
>>150307986that was what people did in 1940this was five years before antibiotics, people still fucking died of cutting themselves shaving and getting sepsis>>150308218the air was like cigs back then too
>>150305790That story wasn't very fun...
>>150305731Neat.
>>150314300wtf
>>150308083Looks normal to me. The real question is why people look so young nowadays.
>>150305777lmao
>>150308083like alternate universe frank and ellie frazetta
>>150305731Cool
>>150305731He is Jack of all Kirby.
>>150312820he's not the guy actually
>>150313065I always think posts like those are part of astroturfing tactics, not really meant to change anyone's views but to shift their perception of the narrative. I find it hard to believe someone is both so full of hatred to think this and tenacious enough to 'fight the chuds' about it with such quantity of posts.Of course it could be a real person, but the idea of "internet weirdos" has been used to cover up covert operations for too long, when anonymity is involved.
>>150321845>Am I an idiot people are making fun of?>NO! I-it's the CIA!
>>150322018This is what I'm talking about, that was my first post in the thread. Nobody here even was made fun of more than just throwing inflammatory remarks. The only person being made fun of is the guy who just got murdered for politically-charged reasons.And these posts aren't even irreverent. They don't read as if you're having fun shitposting about it, in which case I wouldn't think anything of it, that's what 4chan is for. It just reads as stilted lines repeated ad-nauseam regardless of if they make sense in context. Argument X: goto Y argument. Being convincing isn't even the point.If optics wasn't the primary motive you'd never make up posts in this manner, which is what I'm trying to say to >>150313065
>>150322262>This is what I'm talking about, that was my first post in the thread. Nobody here even was made fun of more than just throwing inflammatory remarksI'm sorry (not really) that your crippling autism gets in the way of your reading comprehension. Perhaps try again when you've wiped out your tears.
>>150321845>find it hard to believe someone is both so full of hatredDifferent anon. Do you really find it hard to believe that someone could be so legitimately hateful? I'm not asking rhetorically or sarcastically.
>>150305790I've heard it told this story was heavily embellished and Jack was actually fucking scared that drawing a comic was making him a political target. It's only after the supposed callers ended up being no-shows that he embellished his story
>>150313448But he didn't actually look that old, is anon's point.
>>150322663>>150321845Apologies. Meant to ask if you really thought it's hard to believe someone is hateful and dedicated.
Back in the 60's, Will Elder was working on Little annie Fanny for Playboy. He asked Russ Heath for some help, and they set up a studio and living space in the Playboy mansion in Chicago.Eventually Elder got on top of the deadline and went back to working in home(also in Chicago), but Russ Heath realized he had free room and board thanks to a 24 hour kitchen, as well as being able to meet many women coming and going through the mansion. so he just..didn't leave. For months. No one really knew why he was there, but figured if he was an invited guest he could stay as long as he wanted, until eventually they realized he wasn't actually working for them anymore and they kicked him and his drawing table out. This story would only be told decades later and was largely unknown by people..but there is an Easter egg in Joe Kubert's autobiographical story in a DC comic about working as an artist, where in he calls Russ Heath, who's "hard at work", with a Playboy sign clearly shown and women all around him.
>>150309280No, he quit Fleischer because they worked too fast.
I've always loved this Robert Crumb/Chester Gould meeting
>>15032279740 years on it’s fucking astounding that they honestly thought they had a point with that and thought Gould was supposed to be the bad guy here. Even funnier knowing that Crumb left America to live in some French village because of his anger over the jocks and suburban white kids playing video games, as if it’s “the jocks” stabbing white women to death on the subway> bro just let them commit crime they deserve it cause uh soavery
>>150321845At this point it's been well documented that various groups domestic and abroad, political and corporate, are deploying influence operations everywhere on the internet. This report from RAND is a good overview of some of the tactics. Despite being from 2016 it still holds up pretty well and if anything a lot of these tactics have only been improved. Lacking commitment to consistency and reality are big ones as these kinds of operations have been known to play "both sides."There are of course schizophrenic weirdos that are nearly indistinguishable from these operations but that probably says more about the goals of these operations which are intended to sow division, disillusionment, and negativity. All of us need to be more aware of the bad actors and their tactics infiltrating everything including hobby spaces like here where people are more likely to have their guard down.
>>150321845>Of course it could be a real person,Sir, I am a real person. Is it really wrong or a conspiracy if I call out people on the internet for being knuckle draggers? Why am I not allowed to call it out?No. I am not some Mossad agent, or Russian spy, or super hack.I'm a pasty fat white dude from the Midwest, I think Trump is a dipshit, and culture wars are the biggest wastes of air in our current world.
>>150322851>Even funnier knowing that Crumb left America to live in some French village because of his anger over the jocks and suburban white kids playing video games, as if it’s “the jocks” stabbing white women to death on the subwayI found out recently the real reason Crumb moved to France is because royalties / residuals aren't taxed.
>>150322895Also hate? Where was the hate? I took on the guy's argument on his basis of taking this story about Jack Kirby dealing with crank callers, and immediately went to this>>150312322To which I then responded>>150312975I wasn't intending to talk about reddit. The thread isn't even about reddit.
>>150322929That makes a lot better sense than "Oh shit, how do I shove in topical news into the thread!" As was done earlier with mentions to that Charlie fellow losing his ragu. It really wasn't needed, but yet the anon just could not resist mentioning it. I'm gonna lampshade it. Just because we're anonymous, doesn't mean anyone can say anything they want, without expecting *any* scrutiny at all from *anyone* in this shithole.
>>150309280He quit Fleischer to work in comics, first for the Lincoln Syndicate and later for Eisner/Iger. He had a stop at Novelty Press, where he teamed up with Joe Simon, before Simon brought him to Timely.Kirby quit Fleischer in 1935 and they didn't move to Miami until 1938.
>>150322797>his now-immortal quoteI've literally never heard or seen this quote before. And I thought I'd heard them all. A quick google search shows it only comes up in the context of this anecdote, so I'm not sure how "immortal" it is.That said, it's a pretty good maxim. I'm going to remember it now.
My great-grandfather was pretty talented, and back in the depression Disney wanted to hire him as one of the old men, but he went into the army instead. I have no idea why. (Maybe it seemed like a more certain way to make a living? I like to joke about it that artistic talent runs in the family, but brains not so much. But after spending the war fighting in the Pacific, he became an engineer and helped develop the Polaris missile among other things, so I guess he's the one who had brains, too.)I wish I had some of his drawings. I remember once seeing some from the 30s and being wowed, the poses much more flowing and weighted than others were drawing back then, but also with really clean lines. Kind of a Segar meets Eric Larson meets Daniel Torres, if that makes sense. No idea which relative has them now, or if anyone does any more.Meh, now that I write it down, it's not as fun a story as I thought. Carry on.
>>150324558You mention Eric Larson. He's one of the sadder stories, I think.He was always the one animators went to when they needed help. A master of teaching not just draftsmanship, but action, timing, and characterization. After unionization, he's the one who soothed tensions and found common ground. For one reason or another, others sometimes got screen credit for his amazing animated sequences, but he never made a ruckus about it. At least he got credit for his animation of Cinderella, the intricate 3D "second star to the right" flying scene in Peter Pan, Peg from Lady & the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians, etc.After the studio axed a lot of its animation talent, they finally brought in 4 new people in 1971, including bringing back Don Bluth, and nobody but Larson wanted to teach them anything. He was so good at it, they put him in charge of talent search and training. Only a tiny number of people were good enough for him to give a 30-day paid tryout under his tutelage. Only a tiny number of those "with exceptional promise," like Glen Keane, got offered a full-time job."We're looking at the action on the screen," Larson said, "at the motion, not how well they draw the character. Do they have a statement to make? Do they stage it well so it gets across? Do we get a lift out of what we see?" "After you were tutored long enough by Eric," says Glen Keane, "you were pushed out of the nest so you could fly. Your little chicken wings carried you enough and you landed with one of the other guys, Frank or Ollie or Milt."25 new artists were hired between 1970 and 1977, and there was a three-way tension between the old guard, the Cal Arts trainees, and Don Bluth's cadre of former trainees now working as animators. It all came to a head when one of Larson's pet projects was taken away without warning and given to Bluth....
>>150312820He wasn't the guy. Once again, the Law Enforcement posted shit before verifying things.
>>150325280Larson ought to have resigned, but instead it was Bluth who left to start his own studio, taking 14 of the animators with him.Then came 1984, with Saul Steinberg's tumultuous takeover attempt of Disney. It ended with a whole new set of executives like Eisner and Katzenberg, none of whom had any animation background but only live-action. They ill-advisedly put out The Black Cauldron the next year--it had been in development hell since 1971, in the hands of mediocre studio workers the Nine Old Men hated, plus a bunch of inexperienced newbies. The story was shit, the design was bad, the animation was poor. But when it inevitably failed at the box office, Eisner and Katzenberg kicked the animation unit out of the studio, parking Larson in a small windowless room on the ground floor of an old warehouse. The message was clear, and he retired in early 1986.All along until then, he'd been this jovial, caring, helpful guy who loved all things Disney. But this killed him. He took all his memorabilia home, dumped it on his dining room table, and covered it with a sheet of plastic. He spent all his time just sitting in his den, totally despondent. Glen Keane and his other former trainees all came to visit him there, and then after he was moved to the hospital, but he was broken, and he died in the hospital in 1988. He'd nurtured and inspired Disney's talent, and created some of the most unforgettable performances, but the corporate types didn't understand the love and humanity of art, and they killed him.
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>>150318408wtf what? Is that page really that scandalous or confusing?
>>150322797Crumb's wrong.
>>150305790wow this comic making me want to kms from cringe
