Do you have a preference for episode length?I like the 11 minute format. 7 is okay for sillier cartoons, but 22 minutes just doesn't work for me.
>>150323096ZOOMIE ZOOMIE
>>150323133I want to say OP is a zoomer with a completely fried attention span, but there has been an worsening trend where the longer a show's runtime is, the harder it is to justify the runtime. The stories aren't written for it, often with subplots that go nowhere, or a bunch of lame gags that could have been funny if they weren't used to fill runtime. But with a really short runtime the weaker elements and unnecessary fluff gets pruned to fit the runtime.These days longer runtimes basically just guarantees slower pacing instead of more content.
>>150323211samefag
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>>150323211I mean they tired to adapt Fred or Annoying Orange with a longer runtime and look how those perform
>>150323133>>150323211This is a 2014 repost, long before zoomers invaded 4chanhttps://desuarchive.org/co/thread/57713523/#57713523I found the topic interesting and wanted to re-visit it 11 years later to see how opinions have changed.
>>150323096Pinky and the Brain used all formats very well. It also had short 3 minute musical segments.
>>1503230967 minutes for a variety show format with multiple segments11 minutes for a comedy show with only one set of characters22 minutes for action shows
>>150323245I had absolutely no interest in seeing either of those, adapted or otherwise, so I can't comment. I just know that some time within the past 10-15 years I noticed that the pacing of hour-long shows and some movies have been really, really slow.I recent saw the new Naked Gun movie and it was great, and I saw Weapons, which I also liked, but it felt painfully slow at times. I even went to take a piss at one point during Weapons and don't think I actually missed anything important while I was gone. And I think that's the root of the problem. Leslie Nielsen even said the reason the original Police Squad was canceled was because you actually had to pay close attention to it to find it funny, unlike other sitcoms you could leave on in the background while doing something else. So now everything is either made short and hyperactive to keep your attention, or if it's long it feels slow-paced because things get repeated assuming you either forgot or weren't paying attention the first time around. The Day The Earth Blew Up also comes to mind, but Weapons having a needless Rashomon change of perspectives was the most egregious example I could think of.>>150323299At least it's not a bot reposting old threads, or a zoomer doing it ritualistically.>11 minutes per "episode" is fine if there's another episode right after it. Probably the only good comment on it in the old thread. A really slow drip feed of content is almost as bad as dumping it all out at once.
Remember when cartoons used to do a 7 minute ABA segment show? Why did those die out?
>>150323096There's nothing wrong with any of these formatsBut i prefer 20+ minutes made of two 11 minute episodes, if we're talking about cable tv cartoons
>>1503233957 minute isn’t enough to tell a compelling story, and you usually have to rush an episode, leading it to have a faster pacing and have abrupt endings. Cow and Chicken is an example of this.
>>150323096I say it all depends on the creator.
>>150323096Billy and Mandy worked great on both 7 and 11 minutes. The Voltaire Brains episode was perfect for 7 minutes, but would drag out if it was longer.
>>150323096Most SpongeBob specials suck.
>>150323245Fred is kino, fuck you talmbout
>>150325307Kys zoomer.
>>150324732ALL SpongeBob specials suck.
>>150323299you write like such a faggot and your thoughts are so uninteresting, i wouldn't bother trying to post here if i were you. reddit might be more your speed, zoomer.
>>150326172Suck my ass boomer
>>150326519Not Christmas Who
>>150327960True, that's a good'un.
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>>150323096depends on the show. if its like a action cartoon or serialized story 22 minutescomedy being more short bite sized is good, unless its really good like Prime year Simpsons, Futurama or KOTH.
>>150326743>t.
>>150328818Eugene hit that falsetto like it was nothing
>>150323133>>150323211What the fuck? I'm a zoomer and if anything I prefer full 45 minute episode lengths for anything that takes its self remotely seriously, 22-30 minutes for everything else.
>>150331468Half-hour shows can still do straightforward emotional stuff well.
>>150323299I mean at least OP is honest about regurgitating the sane old shit
>>150331468I'm from the era where every show that "takes its self remotely seriously" didn't by default mean a soap opera format, and you still got procedurals. Now everything is serialized, so any kind of drama has a very slow pace, often with b-plots that I don't give a shit about, and the story drags on for seasons on end with basically no ending in sight.It used to be that there were dramas that weren't soap operas and you could just watch a single random episode with a beginning, middle and end, within 45 minutes. Yes, they had endings instead of just cliffhangers to bait you into watching the next episode. I've been tired of that since Breaking Bad aired.
>>150329744Hours? Seconds? YEARS?
>>150330274Heheheh... "queef"
11 minutes (being a fan of cartoony cartoons)
>>150332399https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkAe30aEG5c
>>150323466Well, yeah. But it also depends on the viewer.
>>150323096I think MLP did wonders with 22 minutes. I like long serious drama/action stories so I'll go with 22 but 11 is perfect for comedy.Nowadays the 40 minutes - 1 hr format is getting kinda sloppy imo. Invincible is a good example. The story could be told just fine in 22 minute episodes and you would even get more episodes to make the seasons "longer" and keep the community engaged longer even though it's the same runtime but it's like they REALLY want to appear different from "those other silly western cartoons" by making the episodes as long as in live action drama shows and wasting all the budget on le big name serious live action actors even though those drawn-out 40 minutes end up falling easily into becoming filler.
>>150323096I'm down for any episode lengths honestly. Whatever suits the story best. 22-30 minutes is that nice sweet spot tho
>>150337876So cool.
>>150326743Zoomers weren’t even old enough to use 4chan in 2014. The oldest one was still underage.
Gravity Falls would be bad if it was shorter.
>>150323133How about we Zooms Zooms, eh?
>>150323096Most independent stuff usually does well with 3 to 5 minutes. Usual one off jokes should just take a half a minute to a minute. There's no good reason to drag out a singular joke unless you have an amazing delievery.I don't really see much independent action or drama oriented stuff, but the 7 to 10 minute range is good to actually get it out there. Of course, any time spent that isn't focused and just waffeling is bad for any thing
>>150323096I want all my indie animated pilots to be 30 minutes with loads of exposition.
>>1503230965 minutes max or fuck off
>>150343376Yeah. Idk how Hirsch convinced Disney to let him make an original half-hour series as a first-time showrunner, but I'm glad he did.
There are some cartoons that could definitely benefit from a longer runtime (looking at you Smiling Friends)
>>150347768Patiently waiting the day they make their first half-hour "special" From there we can finally get a good reading on Zach & Michael's writing abilities when they're not using a rapid string of non-sequiturs as a crutch.
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>>150348473>>150349382Yolo also had some double length episodes
>>150343376I thought the pilot handled its runtime decently well
>>150347265ok zoomie
>>15032309610000000000000000000000000 hours / episode
>>15032309615-second snippets presented in an upright portrait frame only!
>>150323096No
>>150356785ATHF reference
>>150323096I'm watching Hot Wheels Battle Force 5 (it never aired here as far as I remember and I'm almost angry because kid me would've loved it and current me enjoy it) right now and I think I'm fine with the 20-ish minutes runtime. For what it's worth, I enjoyed stuff like Fillmore, Mummies Alive, STAS/BTAS/JL/JLU, Courage the Cowardly Dog, The Mask, Megas XLR.The two 11-minutes segments type of shows are alright too. I guess I'm not too picky with runtime or episodic/solid continuity as long as the show isn't obnoxiously loud and annoying.
>>150339738Doesn’t help that streaming TV is considered “second screen” or even “third screen” now and dense writing is discouraged. It feels worse in animation where every frame should be worth the more labor intensive process.
>>15032309622 min if its a lore show 11 minute if its a sol comedy
This thread was made two days ago and it still has only 58 replies
22 minutes with no B story. Let's focus one something and tell a proper beginning-middle-end
>>150361671Most kids cartoons are like this, sitcoms are the ones with convulted B plots thrown in.
>>150361614That is very perceptive of you, anon.
>>150361614Kys
Eso brad
>>150323096Bluey would've been interesting with 11 minutes episodes.
desu I like OVA format, take as long as you need to tell the story you want to tell. It can be 15 mins or 3 hours
>>150365672There are 15-minute OVAs?
>>150367168Yes.
>>150369279Huh. I never knew
>>150369279Name 5
>>150369279Name 5000
>>150323133We do a little zoomies here.
>>150375799I'm a little ZoomieShort and stoutI like Mighty BHere is my goutWhen I get all butthurtHear me shoutCome to my place, Where I love the gaysI'm a Dark Age ZoomieYes, it's trueHere's an example of what I can doFlapjack and Johnny Test are so fun90s cartoons I wipe with my bum!
>>150377107LOL!
>>150323096>but 22 minutes just doesn't work for me.Why do you people afraid of that? If it's an essay video for sure. But a story sketches, or silly cartoon. Why?
>>150323096Shorter episodes work better for comedies so jokes don’t get old. Longer episodes make sense for story or action focused cartoons because they need the extra time. It depends on the show but 11 minutes to 22 minutes should be standard. I’m fine with some episodes going on a few minutes longer. I’m not a fan of 40+ minute episodes like Invincible since I don’t have a lot of free time. I don’t like spending close to an hour watching something that’s supposed to be short form entertainment. I know streaming allows for episodes to be longer than on cable but it’s not something I prefer
>>150379503Hey I'll take 22-minute video essays over those 4-hour documentaries
>>150349382This deserved at least another season..
>>150323096All of them
>>150323096None of them
