Is there a way to determine how much damage has been done to the Spider Man franchise by the Zeb Wells run, if at all? Since No Way Home the only real major piece of Peter Parker Spider Man content was the infamous ASM run. I gues there is the animated show...Do the comics effect other properties like the movies?
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>>150337021I forget how hot Silk is, of all the other-spiders she can stay
>>150337021>>150336981I shouldn't be surprised by how low-quality this is, but I continue to be.Wonder how that happens.
>>150336981>Amazing Spider-Man is largely considered "misery porn" thanks to the bullshit in his run to comic readers generally from the sentiments I've seen online.>Peter is considered a pathetic, whiny manchild and cuckold due to MJ cheating on him with Paul and having kids with him--even though they were fake the fact it was possible and Paul noting they "haven't been intimate lately" confirms that have canonically fucked several times to justify the existence of said children in both characters' minds in their pocket dimension.>MJ is now 4 years older than Peter (I THINK Nick Lowe or someone said it wasn't ACTUALLY that long but just FELT like it to them, but he also let a prologue/recap publish stating Paul and MJ are actually married and then backpedaled claiming that was something that eluded him in the Christmas rush around the time that issue went out to print)>MJ blamed Peter for "what he did"--which turned out to literally be nothing that further turned fan sentiment against her as an unreasonable cunt who can't take accountability for her own fuck-ups on top of cheating on Peter.>Jackpot was a retarded idea that EVERYONE hated and flopped hard with the crossover tie-in with Black Cat having both of them just shit on Peter as a person and the writer claiming Marvel Editorial gave them zero context and nothing to really work with outside of Felicia and MJ badmouthing him.>Mary Jane doesn't even have any real agency as Jackpot because all of her powers are dictated by a man in a control room (Paul) and that stupid bracelet also nearly killed her and now she's dependent on the Venom symbiote, which, again, falls through on the "female agency"/"woke" appeasement rationalization because once again she is utterly dependent on another being to be a superheroine.>Most fans are against her being a superheroine at all due to the fact that so many normal civilian casts not just in Spider-Books, but across the medium now are becoming supers.
>>150336981>>150337021What the fuck is this shit Norman is doing? He's supposed to be undoing OMD.
>>150337251Norman raped and humiliated Mephisto. Half the work is done.The rest... is up to Peter and MJ.
>>150336981>Peter Parker Spider Man contentas oppose to... right, yeah...
>>150337021I can't believe Miles would just touch Norman inappropriately like that.
>>150337459They've been treating Miles like kind of a retard, his showing in Undead Iron Fist was and Ultimate Incursion were also piss poor. It's funny: they're trying to give their Poochie a push but the best they can do is just 'treat him like Peter Parker.'
>>150336981>>150337021WHERE'S GWEN STACY!!!!!! HHHMMMM????
>>150337632She knows that she can't resist the sheer sexual tension she has with Norman Osborn, and would jump on his dick instantly.
>>150337668thus humiliating Miles. Big, no no...
>>150337116Interesting. I like this quite a bit. The setup is a little stupid, but Norman is a solid scenery chewer, and so far this is like Superior Spider-Man only the plot hasn't absolutely buried every fucking person in moron juice at every second. Now there's still some unaccounted for development where that might yet have been the answer and then I would change my mind.Norman giving it a shot that he definitively didn't earn is something actually fucking new and I'm ready to see it play out. No, I'm not the fucking Norman guy you all flip out about, Sins Past was fucking terrible. I'm less interested in Space Peter, because "earth dipshit plays Guardians of the Galaxy like in the movie" has been done with Flash, Tony and Kitty Pryde already. Still, execution is key.
>>150337668man, what a GODDAMN WHORE
>>150337329>Norman raped and humiliated Mephisto. Half the work is done.It's not a work half done, it's a work half unfinished. Even then it's Sister Sorrow who did it. Just undo OMD.
>>150337021Kill the boys and rape the women norman
>>150337804Not even Norman can win against the child raping Polacks in charge at Marvel. Keep humiliating and belittling them, eventually they'll snap and cave. We're getting there.
>>150337706>Norman giving it a shot that he definitively didn't earnGiving what a shot he didn't earn?Being a hero? Pete was an ass before he was a hero. Prowler was a villain.Being a Spider-man adjacent superhero? No one in that picture earned it.
>>150336981>d-lister jesus spider-boy this is how you get your necked snapped
>>150336981Can't believe I hate every Spider-golem here EXCEPT Norman
>>150337459Well, he's black
I see Gwen isn't around, Spider-Norman already took her down. OUR HERO is so efficient.
>>150336981>>150337021I'm getting Superior vibes. At least this time the others know right off the bat that this isn't Peter.
>>150337021>silk has a special Peter senseAnd then they banged. But yeah, I'm just glad they all know right away it's not Peter.
>>150336981>4 parasites sucking on the Spider-man franchise>1 straight up using the same name>Are questioning a guy for wearing Spider-mans costumeThe cognitive dissonance is reaching levels where soon the pages will straight up be just gibberish for all the sense they make right now.
>>150336981I haven't read a single Miles book since the original Bendis run.He's ok in what little of him is in Cates's Venom and Hickman's Secret Wars, but I don't think anybody has gotten him right since his first appearance.
>>150339520He's been extremely boring since his first appearance, so no. Everybody's been getting him right.
>>150339428Anon they know he's not Peter and he's putting criminals in the hospital. If Peter was there he'd be pissed too. He already fought Ben and he's probably going to fighting the Avengers soon enough. This is literally what happens every time someone goes around pretending to be a character. Even Miles got bitched out and attacked when he first went around in Peter's costume.
>>150339614>This is literally what happens every time someone goes around pretending to be a characterExcept that time Otto did it. Everyone though Peter started shooting people in the head with a gun because he was feeling grumpy.
>>150339590no more boring than peter parker. I can't fathom what people find appealing about either of them at this point.>he's just like me, an average joe with poor luck!!riveting>he always gets back up!(not even true) so does batman, and superman, and captain america, and flash, and nightwing, and green lantern, and daredevil, and wolverine, and cyclops, and
>>150339723>seething and copingLMAO
>>150339864i can't tell if you meant to reply to me or not
>>150339940Yes, fucking subhuman retard. To you.You milestards are delusional morons deserving only mockery, just like the shit character you latched onto.
>>150339973I said I've only read his first appearance.I'm not sure why that upsets you so much or makes you think I like him anymore than Peter.
>>150340002>admits to being a retarded subhumanYeah, but no need. It's pretty noticeable.
Why is Norman a good guy again? Like I'm not asking for the comic plot but more like is there an editorial explanation for it? It's not like that's happening in the MCU...I guess he was good (and black) in that recent cartoon? Was that it?
>>150340050I don't understand why you're so hostile for basically no reason.Is it because I diparaged spider-man?
>>150340085>he's still going with his faggotryWe already covered that you're fucking retarded.Shut the fuck up, retard.>p-p-please engage me earnestlyNah, you only deserve mockery and insults, so go die retard.
>>150336981>Since No Way Home the only real major piece of Peter Parker Spider Man content was the infamous ASM runwrong, we had Spider-Man 2 on PS5
>>150340118You're just shadowboxing.You're arguing with some kind of person that you think I am, and I think you know it so you're doubling down.That's ok. It's ok to be embarrassed about being so temperamental about what comic book characters that you think other people like, especially when you're anonymous.
>>150339520more or less, the mistake happened when he transferred to 616 and became just as redundant as the other Spider-heroes there, but because he's now marketable it means they can't just ignore him, and now you have two heroes going by "Spider-Man"
>>150340152>blah blah blah blahNo, I'm calling you a retard. Which you objectively are.Go kill yourself, retard. Nobody would mourn you anyway.
>>150340064I think to make up for clone Harry dying and to give the Spencer run some meaning
>>150340215Do you just want to get the last word in? I'll let you have it if that's what you want.
>>150336981Is there any further proof of the anti-White agenda than this? They want to get rid of Peter Parker so badly they just keep inventing countless minority Spider-Man knock-offs out of thin air, and they all fail so miserably that they have to jam them all together and give them asinine gimmicks Peter never needed only for everyone to keep asking who cares and let me see Peter and MJ having Spider-Man adventures.What's even more ridiculous is no one asked for this. It was never a thing that "anyone could be under the mask" because everyone knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man. It wasn't until that talentless hack Donald Glover tried to Affirmative Action/White Guilt his way into being Spider-Man that they started going around paying blacks to say they read Spider-Man because the 4 or 5 pages of the story where he was suited up apparently allowed them to ignore the rest of the issue and pretend they were him (instead of just reading any of the pre-existing black superheroes) which was no doubt just astroturfing for that hack Bendis to come along and insert Miles into pointless fanfic AU that was also not needed, and look what it's resulted in. Nothing but garbage they fight tooth and nail to stop us from getting rid of.
>>150340120Ok, thank you. Do you think the Video Game had more of a cultural impact than the ASM comic run. Probably, maybe?
>>150340154The mistake was Miles' existence in the first place.I'm tired of you morons trying to pretend Miles was good in Ultimate.
>>150340247I want you and everybody you love to get cancer and die in agony, but if you're finally shutting the fuck up with your gay "I'm so calm and reasonable" act that nobody is buying then please do so. Not that you will, because again you're a retard.
>>150337192>(I THINK Nick Lowe or someone said it wasn't ACTUALLY that long but just FELT like it to them, but he also let a prologue/recap publish stating Paul and MJ are actually married and then backpedaled claiming that was something that eluded him in the Christmas rush around the time that issue went out to print)Lowe never, ever did the "felt" thing. It's a blurb in the Marvel Encyclopedia written by some intern who was still in the middle of Wells' run. He did redact the "married" thing.Regardless, I'm actually enjoying Kelly's run enough so far.
>>150337192If I got to write Spider-Man I would make Miles gay out of spite then have him hook up with Paul with Paul confessing he's always been gay and would cry into MJ's shoulder about being a virgin because he's too scared to hook up with boys because his Dad would hate him then I would have Miles and Paul tongue kiss for a double sized splash page and immediately have Miles start dressing like Riley from the Bookdocks in that episode where he wore a skirt and make each issue have an alternate cover where Miles and Paul are cuddling on the couch and being coupley and stuff just to watch all the jews screech that it was problematic but not be able to explain why.
>>150340275you are the angriest person I've interacted with on this website, you're even angrier that I'm not red in the face like you.here's your last word. call me names again if that makes you feel a little better.
>>150340154>but because he's now marketableWhat?
>>150339520I was going to read the Bendis run until all this stuff happened, now I never will and I'll miss out on literally nothing.
>>150340255Peter dying was cool, after he fucked Gwen, and Iceman and the Human Torch moved into his house there weren’t any more stories to tell.
>>150340321>I-I-I'm le giving you le last word because I'm so le noble and calmAgain, nobody is buying your retarded act.It's embarrassing that you're even trying, but I guess expecting something from a low IQ moron like yourself is too much.
>>150340358>there weren’t any more stories to tellAnd that applies to Miles as well considering how awful his stories were. Bendis should've quit when he was ahead.
>>150337859Imagine if/when this stuff all gets fixed and goes back to status quo and then trying to explain to normies/new readers that for some reason there was an entire 20 year story arc where Spider-Man murdered his unborn baby and sold his wife to the devil so that he could be a friendless cuck who didn't hangout with any of his friends and then got a girlfriend who cheated on him while Mary Jane had kids with some latino guy (one of them for some reason being Venom's kid) and started being a superhero only for the Green Goblin to become Spider-Man and fix it while Peter was too busy not being Spider-Man anymore because some black teenager and a bunch of chicks were being Spider-Man instead.Imagine trying to sell them on the idea that it was in any way worth their time to read or that any part of it seemed like a good idea at any point in time.
>>150340358That's because Bendis isn't a writer and just re-told all of the Spider-Man stories that had already been written with a slightly modern change to the setting and then when he caught up to himself couldn't think of anything else to do. The guy who's had stories being published continuously for 60+ years and counting doesn't have any stories to tell? Ridiculous! Especially since the fans keep telling what stories they want to see told that HAVEN'T been told yet.
>>150340466ThisThe longer USM went on and the more it strayed from the original, the worse it got. And even then Bendis couldn't recreate certain elements that made 616 good, USM villains for instance are all terrible.
>>150336981ASM Legacy #976 or that one time Miles failed de-esculation attempts by committing Assault in the Third Degree under NY Penal Law § 120.00 and triggered a mentally unstable shizo.
>>150337859Norman is a lot more than an ass.I'm referring to his moral change ex machina by virtue of Sin Eater's powers. Norman was fully bad, now he's definitely toeing the antihero to hero line. He didn't earn that realization in any substantiative way. But he got it, and he got to keep it thanks to Peter, so we get this. I like it.Prowler was a person who set out to get famous solving his own petty crimes. He wasn't a villain. He was just willing to do petty crime, but not hurt people or profit monetarily to be seen as a hero.>No one in that picture earned itNeither did Pete? Or are you just generally mad at the state of the franchise and can't keep straight whether you're talking about in-fiction or not? Because in fiction, they've all been heroes, laid their lives on the line and saved other people at great cost to themselves, especially Arana. Out of fiction, most of them are a bit boring and underdeveloped I agree. Still, none of them are anything like Norman.The only thing that's ever been sort of like this before is Superior, and was one of the worst written things ever published by Marvel. I get everyone is still mad about OMD and will die mad about it, but this is leagues beyond "two-decade forgotten character turns up to attack self-insert-man with the technology to solve dilemma introduced 6 pages before"
>>150340423Why would you tell someone your weird fanfiction
>>150340255>>150340329I mean you can /co/pe all you want but despite Miles being unoriginal he's popular and marketable now, and that his origin gimmick was lost when he moved over to 616. those two statements are simply factual regardless of everything else.>>150340253I like to believe so, in 10 years or more I'd rather remember the game than the Zeb Wells run
>>150340673>/co/peDon't expect me to take your opinion seriously.>the astroturfed character who could never stand on his own is totally popularLMAO
>>150337021>our friendBitch, every single spider-person vanishes the moment he needs help.
>>150340693nta but it's true, Miles is popular despite everything and all the adaptations he's getting only help his case. he may be infamous for being a hack character but "Spider-Man but black" is a popular enough gimmick that he's mainstream now
>>150340759>all the adaptations he's gettingThe ones that don't make nearly as much money as real Spider-Man stuff? Sure kek.He's astroturfed as fuck, not popular and most of it is people playing coy because you can't call him out on being a shit character without somebody crying "muh racism".
>>150340673>no argument refuting the picHave fun selling to gen alpha I guess, both in comics and video games.
>>150340794again anon, you and me could make excuses all he want but his first movie won an Oscar, the second one made more money than Superman or Fantastic Four despite being animated, and he's super popular among kids and teens just like Spider-Gwen. they're both unoriginal characters who were made with the express intent to get popular quick, and it worked
>>150340836>excusesNo, that's just an entire post of your stupid coping.
>>150340253>Do you think the Video Game had more of a cultural impact than the ASM comic run.Absolutely, just in the complete opposite direction they were hoping.
>>150339678Yeah but that literally was Peter, but with Otto's personality uploaded into his brain.
>>150341239What game is this?
>>150336981They should keep doubling down on ruining Spider-Man for the simple pleasure of taking something good, something beautiful, something that people love, and destroying it right in front of them just to see the looks on their dumb faces. Ruining good things for everyone is the greatest joy in life.
>>150337021size gap /ss/ with anya and bailey
>>150341716The Last of Us: The New Normal.
>JuSt UnDo OMDThis is retarded and won't fix anything as long as editorial continues to write Peter as spineless, whiny loser cuck. MJ and Peter get back together and congratulations, they have open marriage now/Peter has to be stepdaddy for MJ's new son or whatever humiliation the writers think to come up with. For Spiderman not to be a shit, Peter needs his spine back. Being married to MJ won't fix anything by itself. I would unironically prefer Peter getting together with some Deviantart-tier Donut Steel OC if he was written as he used to be over having OMD retconned while Peter continues to be written as the pathetic cuckold like he has been for the last two decades in mainline ASMHow hard is it to write Peter as temperamental jerk with heart of gold?
>>150336981With how many spider people there are why the fuck are these clowns always absent when Pete needs help?
>>150338202>I see Gwen isn't around, Spider-Norman already took her down. OUR HERO is so efficient.Yeah, she'll probably be out of action for about 9 months.
What's this? Superior but with Norman?
>>150336981>>150337021This almost feels funny. Like they're just all way out of their league. Not because that's the Green Goblin they're talking to, but likeNorman's a manThat's a grown ass man they, a bunch of teenagers and young adults, are talking toGuy's like, in his 50s Saying he's got work to do like he's got to go to the fukken office so he can pay his billsContribute to his pensionGot real "gonna put these rowdy kids through the fukken wall" energy, even without super strengthIt's like they're beefing with a Dad, cuz they are
>>150336981>>150337021>>150342486If Norman beats up and corrects Miles and other Spider-wannabes, he will officially be my new hero
>>150337021Silk looks really hot in these panels.
>>150342563unfortunate that her creator had to be Dan Sloot
>>150340584>Neither did Pete?>Guy who built his identity from the ground-up hasn't earned his identity more than people who showed up and aped his identityUh-huh
>>150341239This piece of shit is one of the worst Spider-Man media ever made. I’m almost certain the writers hate Peter Parker.
>>150342474Hell no, they're a lot smarter than everyone was in Superior.
>>150337192>Jackpot was a retarded idea that EVERYONE hated and flopped hard with the crossover tie-in with Black Cat having both of them just shit on Peter as a person and the writer claiming Marvel Editorial gave them zero context and nothing to really work with outside of Felicia and MJ badmouthing him.When did the auther state this?Also, I have seen it claimed that the writers openly admit that paul was a mistake. where have they stated this?
>>150343503Yeah this is a ridiculous line. Especially since one of Peter's reformed enemies is in the games!
>>150337114I have conflicting feelings on Silk. On one hand, she's a badly written, blatant fetish character and is directly connected to all the spider totem bullshit, and I hate the spider totem stuff with a burning passion. On the other hand, boner
>>150344315>On the other handDon't you mean "in"?
>>150337021The only one that can really put up a fight is miles. So who do you think will get knocked out first my money is on silk
>>150336981This is the most insulting page I've ever seen. The only person any casual would recognize on this page would be Miles but Peter is the one getting insulted.
>>150343503Those Insomniac games were all about replacing Peter from the word go. MJ is his "Lois Lane" which the writers believe means that she's a suicidal idiot who constantly puts herself into danger and then somehow considers that to be Peter's fault. Miles was very clearly written to be his replacement from the moment he first appeared. He's a teen super genius (which I don't buy for a second) and took to Spider-Man faster than Pete ever did.So MJ keeps him tied down while Miles overshadows him. He doesn't even get to keep Black Cat as a supporting character since she fucked off to Europe to be a lesbian.
>>150337192>>Jackpot was a retarded idea that EVERYONE hated and flopped hard with the crossover tie-in with Black Cat having both of them just shit on Peter as a person and the writer claiming Marvel Editorial gave them zero context and nothing to really work with outside of Felicia and MJ badmouthing him.Was this the one everyone uses as a reason for why they should be a throuple or the one where MJ says Felicia runs to people that ditch her instead of staying with people that actually love and care for her because she was clearly talking about the girl she was hooking up with
>>150336981I wonder what Kaine or Ben Riley are doing.
>>150345538Kaine is living his best life away from this bullshit and Ben is trying to replace Peter’s life
>>150345538Ben is busy being Peter Kaine is praying to the OAA he doesn’t show up in a Spidey book and continues having a good life in comic limbo
>>150345674you reckon he finally made it to that beach in Mexico with Hummingbird?
I've never really had much of a problem with Cindy or Arana and Spider-Boy has been fine so far. Cindy's comics trend more towards getting caught up in non-spider themed magic bullshit, Arana has been irrelevant for years but she's caught up in the totem and multiverse web stuff, and Spider-Boy is for saturday morning adventures against a guy with a bowling ball head.
>>150337021Maybe explanations would have followed if removing the mask had not been treated as a given. Wasn’t there a major story event that was adapted into a movie where heroes clashed over that exact issue? It is understandable that Miles would ask for it, but he should have known better than to treat it as a requirement.
>>150337021>"Do we buy the shock and relief silk?">"Yes, actually we do."The writing is so bad holy shit, this is legit worst than fan fiction.
>>150345991...You've never seen someone pull the conspiratorial aside routine?
>>150337021I cannot believe they dragged Cindy into this
>Be told time and time again they do this because outrage sells>Instead of ignoring it and letting sales drop so they get a new gimmick>Everyone still reads it and talks about how much they hate it
>>150337021The only people I like here are spider-boy and silk everyone can die killing each other
>>150346250Nobody's buying it. It's all pirated, effortlessly.
>>150346250No one is buying the comics lil bro
>>150337021I like the Bailey Wheatcakes bit, but it just makes me angry that these aren't Peter and MJs kids. Its spider version of the burger king kids club
>>150336981>Do the comics effect other properties like the movies?Sometimes, but not universally hated comics like Wells' Spider-Man. You don't see any Past Sins or OMD adaptations do you? Unless you count the ending of No Way Home as a really really loose One More Day adaptation.
>>150346250i read it when story time posts. also, support your LCS
>>150336981>Spider-Man is technically responsible for 3 different kids>barely any mentor moments>barely interacts with them in generalWhy?
>>150346263>>150346264Someone's gotta buy the comics for you to pirate.
>>150346419Because Spider-Man is not Batman, he was never meant to have a sidekick
>>150346419Because that's the job of Miles Morales, the REAL Spider-man
>>150343825Nowhere? That's generally not the sort of thing editorial admits to, and if they do, it's decades later.The job involves being positive about the comics even if you don't love a comic. It's why if you pay attention comics pros vanishingly rarely slam each other or comics they don't like, and when they do it's usually Rob Liefeld anyway
>>150347178Wells gave a talk a few days(week?) ago and said Paul was a mistake only done to make certain people happy
>>150346419Anya has a bunch of other people she could go to, so it doesn't matter that much with her.
>>150346419Dude can barely wipe his own ass and you expect him to take care of kids or mentor people
>>150347199Source:the fever dreams of the absolutely most delusional fandom in comics
>>150347199He was asked a question at a comic con and he said he was expecting nastiness but that it was more than he expected, "but hey, it's a passionate fan base. Play with fire and you're going to get burned"So no, not a mistake or mea culpa or whatever people have been imagining
>>150336981>>150337021He removes his mask reveling who he really is and says"Why I am really Norman Osborn I killed Gwen Stacy Peter's clone Ben Reilly and a bunch of innocent people and now I am Spider-Man and now you all know the truth you must all die.Miles and the other angered by this then engage Spider-Man/Norman in a fight in which they begin to lose since Norman is a better fighter by experince so he gets the upper hand. Just as about he is to kill them Venom shows up and punch him in the chest from behind mortally wounding him Venom is then reveled to be Dylan Brock.
>>150348005How did we get to the point where people think this about peter parker
>>150349109fuck off.
>>150346250>outrage sellsYou're really that naive? The outrage is the goal in and of itself.
>>150349191Angry little faggot lmao
>>150348326Why would you share your shitty fanfiction like thisIt's gibberishYou don't even know what's happening in the comics right now
To be fair neither does Marvel
>>150349673Nah, let me show you how it's done: he takes off the mask and it's Paul's face underneath, but then that turns out to be a mask too, and underneath there's Deadpool's face, but THAT'S a mask too, and then it keeps going on, the Beyonder and Aunt May and Galactus and Jonah and Howard the Duck and so on and on, and then they take one more mask off, and he's wearing a balaclava with the word "NOPE!" on it, and then he kicks Miles in the beanbag and bounces away while hooting like Daffy Duck.
>>150349673Not him but I’m holding out hope for Dylan Brock to become Miles gay lover
>>150349971You know they're never going to make Miles gay. That would be a marketing disaster of epic proportions, walking it back would be perceived as a hate crime by ten times the number of people that actually buy comics, and only make about 500 people happy, split between Polygon readers and dipshits like you that think that making something gay ruins it forever.It only works like you imagine it would over at DC, where they sit up at night trying to imagine new ways to ruin any character that wasn't in the league in 1978.
>Now everyone cares about Peter Okay, sure
Someone post that page from Wells's run where Miles is being a little passive-aggressive bitch to Peter and delivers his own great responsibility line to him as some epic parting comeback and then Peter just stands there going.>"Wow, thank you, Miles. I am completely humbled by the sheer power of your exaggerated swagger. I needed that. You are a true Spider-Man."
>>150339973he said both miles and peter parker are boringare you a retarded fucking nigger?
>>150337021>people really think miles should be able to handle norman easily
>>150349191KYS!
>>150336981Yeah, I don’t care what any of you say, seeing these 4 together is cool as fuck.
>>150346472See >>150340329 & >>150340819
>>150340673>he's popular and marketable nowThen put him in something without Spider-man.
>>150336981>>150337021Is there any self awareness at all when writing this? Having the knockoffs dictate who can and can't be Spider-Man? Miles did the exact same shit to Ben in Beyond
>>150351920Well yeah. He beat Ult-Norman in 5 hits. Human Norman should just be a zap and he's out.
>>150337021silk's hips are crazy
>>150343503>Li gets turned into Miles's personal villain>All the history he had with Peter is flushed down the drain>Him also being responsible for Aunt May's death is practically ignored>Li barely reacts when he finds out Peter is Spider-Man>They never even speakGod what a shitshow
>>150340584>Prowler was a person who set out to get famous solving his own petty crimes.I thought he was just a thief that was tired of being overlooked before Peter convinced him that crime is bad
>>150352414Why? What's so cool about it?
>>150346419Peter only ever had a good dynamic with Ben
>>150351747>Oh you're girlfriend got trapped in another dimension?>And you worked your ass off to save her in two days only to find out she's moved on and found another guy there?>And now a bunch of longtime friends hate you?>So you moped around for six months?>Well fuck you buddy I had to be Spider-Man alone for that and it was really hard!!!>No I didn't ask what was wrong! You should have came to me!!!
>>150336981>>150337021Doesn't everyone in this picture generally treat Peter like fucking dogshit, when they even bother showing up?Where do they get off calling Peter their friend and policing who should or shouldn't be Spider-Man?
>>150337114Arana could stay if she had her old powers
>>150354884Peter's their token white male friend
>>150354884I'm just thinking of Spencer's run where they all showed up unannounced and unasked for to tell Peter how he should handle his own affairs. I can't believe that they've accidentally made a scenario where I'm fully on Norman's side and want him to be Spider-Man over anyone else pictured
>>150355022So Spider-Boy doesn't count as white anymore?
>>150336981Gotta love how Kaine never shows up to these things despite being without question the closest and most qualified to speak for Peter when he's absent. But nah, just leave it to the knock-off squad.And you know Kaine would give Norman either a shrug or even a high five for hospitalizing a bunch of dipshits.
>>150355084Of course not, he's a ginger.
>>150355084He's ir*sh.>>150355118Kaine should have been the most offended at Spider-Norman, but since ASM is forbidden to address Clone Saga in any detail, he'd just do nothing.
>>150351777>he (likely you) said something entirely retarded, why are you reacting like thisYou got the exact response you deserved, keep crying you retarded sack of shit. Hope you end up killing yourself.
>>150354376Nope.He literally just wanted to get a little attention for his legitimate skills. Less villainous than half of every streamer these days.
>>150356065Ah I forgot he intended to be a hero as Hobie. Been a while since I read the original run
>>150354503What is this from?
>>150354503>>she's moved onWishful projection from the ever spiteful Marvel employees.
>>150351104>Miles Morales: Coming Home>Miles sat at the kitchen table, his stomach twisted with nerves. His parents Rio and Jefferson joined him, sensing something important.>"There's something I want to tell you both," Miles said, taking a deep breath. At fifteen, he'd figured out he could stick to walls, had great >responsibility, and was definitely gay.>"What's on your mind, son?" Jefferson asked gently.>Miles looked at his parents—his dad who taught him to be brave, his mom who made sure he knew he was loved. "I'm gay.">The silence lasted three seconds but felt eternal. Then Rio smiled warmly and Jefferson squeezed his hand.>"Thank you for telling us, mijo," Rio said softly. "I know that took courage.">"We love you, Miles. Nothing changes that," Jefferson added.>Miles felt relief flood through him. "You're not disappointed?">"Disappointed?" Rio laughed, wrapping him in a hug. "You're the best thing we ever did. You're kind, brilliant, talented. Being gay is just one >more thing that makes you who you are.">"We're proud of you for being yourself," Jefferson said, joining the hug.>Miles laughed through happy tears. "There's this guy in my art class, David. I want to ask him to winter formal.">"Oh, we need to talk about what you're wearing!" Rio exclaimed excitedly.>Later, Miles texted his friend Ganke: "Better than I imagined. They love me exactly as I am.">The next morning, Jefferson gave him a small pride flag pin. "For your backpack.">Miles fastened it next to his Spider-Man pin, thinking both represented parts of his identity he was proud of. As he swung through Brooklyn that >afternoon, he carried the knowledge that home would always be there—a place where Miles Morales was not just accepted but celebrated.
>>150356132Gang War First Strike
>>150356440Did Peter really disappear for 6 months? Meeting with Bob Iger on Monday, that's getting retconned. Anything else you guys want me to bring up with Bob?
>>150336981>>150337021From the next episode (If Ziglar is involved):>One battle later:Norman: Thank you for neg-diffing me, RealSpider-Man, you truly were the Amazing we made along the way, now I realize the errors of my way!>Miles: You don't know anything about being a Spider-Man, you are not worthy of the Spider-Man legacy! >Norman: You are right, I bring shame to the legacy of Peter Par->Miles: Wha- No! What does Peter Parker have to do with Spider-Man's legacy?! I am talking about OUR legacy, you know, real Spider-Men?!>Norman: I- I see please teach me, RealSpider-Man! Teach me how to be a great Spider-Man like you!>Miles: I don't do apprentices! What kind of a KEK would train another Spider-Man, just so the student could replace the master?! *turns towards the camera*>Silk: I suddenly feel the urge to tell the word that Ziglar has a huge penis! I don't know what a "Ziglar" is, but this message seems to be important enough for the whole world to know!
>>150356469One more day.
>>150336981Has the Wells run damaged the franchise? Not irreparably. But it definitely stalled Peter Parker's momentum in the comics and was a huge waste of the nostalgia high No Way Home gave the audience.
>>150354503>Miles bitching about having to be Spider-Man on his ownBut wait a minute, weren't the other Spider-Parasites around while Peter was taking time off? Why does it feel like these fuckers only get together when they're in the mood to lecture or beat up one of their own?
>>150356635TRVKE
Fucked up that Norman Osborn is the likeable one and the only one who worries about Peter.
>>150336981>>150337021Peter and Felicia being the sole highlight of ASM makes it almost worth it, but i guess mostly depends if there's payoff for them in #1000
>>150336981>>150337021>Whoa Spider-Man is putting bad guys in hospitals?? There's no way that's our Peter, it must be an impostor!Where the fuck were these genius detectives when Otto took over?Also imagine if it had been Peter, who was just finally sick and tired of how shitty life is to him so he's on an edgy brutal kick.
>>150358214these writers clearly prefer felicia and its only made me despise her.Whether it was marv wolfman or these clowns, the writers go out of thier way to make MJ look terrible so Felicia can come in to be the ho peter makes exceptions for. But hey she's has some good development i guessFor some reason they hate Mary Jane, all of them. I dont get it.
>>150358345If Norman just decided to wear the black suit instead of putting Ben's accessories on the main one they'd leave him alone
>>150358214It really doesn't. Everything involving Black Cat is just oil on the fire. >>150358596Yes! Fuck Marv Wolfman. And fuck his whore cat woman knock off.
>>150358596>>150358728lol felicia is just the best partner for pete
>>150358774YOU ARE A FUCKING COOMER. REEEEEE!!!!MJ has been set up has the one since Ditko. He was Married to her! The only reason you think felicia works is becuae they drag MJ through the mud. and also becuase of her tits.
>>150358934anon stop being a wanker and go to sleep with some of those old stories. peter x felicia are amazing and i hope they tie in knot in 1000.
>>150337114Silk is 10/10 hottie, and her costume is sexy.
>>150358971I see you brevoort. You would only do that out spite.
>>150346501Spidey is supposed to be more responsible and self mentoring than Natman though.
>>150358934Ok grandpa
>>150355118>despite being without question the closest and most qualified to speak for Peter when he's absentThat's precisely why he never shows up. He would destroy any melodrama.
>>150357907When Norman’s full-on evil, 85% of the thoughts in his head are about Peter. Taking away his sins might change why he’s thinking about him, but it’s not going to stop Peter from living rent-free up there.
>>150359161At least someone is thinking about Peter.
>>150358934I've never particularly liked MJShe had to have her backstory rewritten and a whole mini to ineptly and unsatisfyingly fix her slutty shoot down of Pete the first time around, and then she was an awful wife and an annoying character when she came back around.And if you wanna talk dragged in the mud, MJ hasn't seen anything compared to what happened to Felicia then. Nah, I just like Felicia. I think she makes a more interesting contrast to Spider-Man visually and narratively, and a more versatile and complicated relationship to Pete. MJ was not the one set up since Ditko. Gwen was set to go all the way until Conway was on. Conway and JR killed Gwen because they thought she was boring and Stan's fantasy, but MJ was *their* fantasy.
>>150358774>loli felicia is just the best partner for peteFixed it for you.
>>150358971>AI
>>150359079You think felicia hardy is the new hip option? She is an admission of their failures! 20 years to create new characters and 0 are still around as love interests.So they have to use black cat, because , they hate mj, and they cant do any of this it without dragging mj through mud.
>>150356433I don't know why you think writing fanfiction is an appropriate response to anything. I'll give you that it's better than the usual fanfiction around here, but it doesn't mean it's happening any more than the stupid stuff the fake "leakers" post here all the time.
>>150359228I mean, by this standard, MJ is also an admission of the same failure. I get that you're not much of a reason and argument guy, or an "I've read comics" guy, but that's not hard to follow at all.
>>150336981>Is there a way to determine how much damage has been done to the Spider Man franchise by the Zeb Wells run, if at all?When Spiderman Movies start under performing or outright failing that's when you know Spiderman has lost it. Sadly Spiderman as a franchise works in reserve the worse it gets the MORE money it makes. People love Spiderman because its low quality.If they made the worst Spiderman movie ever it would sell better than all of Pokemon even.
>>150359185I don't think any of Spiderman's love interests are any good.Gwen is boring.MJ is a shallow popular girl supermodel skank so she and Peter have nothing in common.Felicia is an outright criminal thief. Hate her because she makes Spiderman look like a chump, won't arrest her because he gets sex from her.
>>150359185If Felicia ever went from Peter's rebound during bad break ups to Peter's main squeeze we'd just get an even more obnoxious Batman x Catwoman relationship
>>150359271>even more obnoxious Batman x Catwoman relationshipIt would be hard to top the>BAT CAT BAT CAT CAT CAT BAT BAT BAT
>>150359185MJ made several appearances in the first run. Aunt May was trying to set them up. Then stan lee pushed for gwen. And mj got a terrible hair cut after forcing her out of the book for a while. No character has endured anything worse than that hair cut
>>150359271>obnoxious Batman x Catwoman relationshipWill never understand why people pretend Catwoman is this good character. She's a bitch. Not even in the nostalgic Burton movies did I like Catwoman. And when I found out Catwoman is even worse in the comics I only cemented my hatred for her. The only Catwoman stories I like are any story that ends with her losing.
>>150359271Nah. Felicia isn't the same as Selina, and Pete's not much like Batman at all.They're cute together. There's some friction. I don't actually think Pete should get married again, not for decades anyways, but I like a long-term Pete/Felicia relationship.
>>150359185>And if you wanna talk dragged in the mud, MJ hasn't seen anything compared to what happened to Felicia then.You have to be joking here. MJ has been going through 15yrs of constant character assassination.Felicia had her shitty little Queenpin arc and MJ talking to her about how shitty Peter is and how she needs to do better
>>150345481I remember that they ditched their plans for Miles becoming the protagonist so a next game would still be about Peter
>>150359321Yeah.She wasn't destined to be the one from the get go, though. She was a gag about expectations and getting set up on blind dates.Stan didn't "push" for Gwen. Ditko was doing whatever the fuck he wanted by the time Gwen was on the scene, which is why Ditko Gwen is such a hellcat. Stan didn't call the shots on her until Johnny was on pencils, and that's when she mellowed and became a sweetheart.You just don't really know the history.
>>150359335Only because they made fans ANGRY!!!And Insomniac realizes how angry the fans are. The sales of Spider-Man 2 are low compared to the first game. And they are desperate to course correct. I hope it fails for them.Also I hope that Wolverine game also fails. Insomniac is shit and don't get me started on how they RUINED Ratchet and Clank. Fucking shitty melodramatic trash starring midget animal mascots.
>>150359352>Also I hope that Wolverine game also fails.Eh, it's gonna sale like hot cakes anyway.It will be melodramatic dogshit with abhorrent characterization and nausea-inducing trash gameplay (because no way Insomniac actually makes a decent gore/dismemberment system), but it will sell good.
>>150359330I'm not joking, because most of those last 15 years have just been MJ in situations you don't like. He character, who she is, remains as plain and positive and safe-hot through all of it. Having a boyfriend when you're single, or getting together with someone when your partner's been presumed dead for years, isn't assassination. She's not a bad person for getting together with Paul, unless you think women are property and so she should just remain claimed forever.The foreigner betrayal arc is insanely two-dimensional character assassination that reads like it was written on the courier ride to the printer, because it pretty much was .
>>150359346Yes stan lee pushed for gwen to be the love interest you slithering cunt, that's what he said
>>150343503remember real spiderman fans paid money for this.
>>150359248MJ provides resolution and an opportunity to move forward from omd. Felicia leaves the wound open. You comment was mean spirited and not appreciated
>>150359230Hey man, thanks for the kind words.
>>150337114>I forget how hot Silk isOne of her powers is pheromones, when she's near any other spider person, they all go into orgy mode.When she was near Peter, they had to agree to stop meeting because they were fucking 24/7 and unable to do anything else.
>>150359497Silk's cool if only because she was written by a white guy who wasn't even trying to hide his fetish for asian womenIt's funny and it made people not want to touch her for a while which is also funny
>>150359497>Peter turned down endless sex with a hot, fertile, Asian womanFuck it, he deserves everything Marvel is doing to him.
>>150359185Nobody really cares about her cheating ass.
>>150359228Peterfel is the otp of spider-man, nuff said.>>150359271funny because selina is just a poor imitation of Felicia>>150359622cindy is allowed to come into peterfel apartment twice a month
>>150359248The way I see it is twofold>Felicia is an established love interest, new ones clearly are not taking hold>She will never ever be the type to settle down, so she's never gonna be the girl to make Peter "grow up" which is desirable for editorialShe is quite literally not endgame material, and that's why they like her
its more likely that Kelly just likes Felicia and doesn't care for Shay and that's why she's there remember Shay? she's a nurse by the way
>>150359678Why do we even argue over which love interest a given character should marry when we live in a world where "all of them" is a valid answer?
tracyverse is better than 616
>>150359736Fel/MJ OT3 and no one else
>>150359656Black cat or mj
>>150359808Gwen
>>150359678>>150358214NGL I ship them.
>>150352805>put Spider-Man in something with Spider-Man???
>>150358934This is extremely rich considering Felicia got dragged through the mud to justify Peter getting back together with MJ in the first place
>>150359736Because Felicia, Gwen and MJ are all wrong answers. Chat is the only love interest that genuinely loves Peter, was actively supportive and never cheated on him. Best girl by far
>>150360548a plot device to make a character appear so unredeemable and toxic that a reconciliation with Spider-Man was impossible for the near future. Hmmm.
>>150360769>Writer at a time is giant MJ-fag who decided to have her Bad Luck powers become uncontrollable again when Peter is thinking of proposing and building a family with her despite the same powers having been fixed ages ago>Felicia nopes out to protect Peter without saying anything (despite Peter being someone who would have understood) to justify Peter moving on to MJ>gets brought back just to be cucked and humiliated dozens of issues later when Peter is already married to MJ just for extra spite while being character assassinated as violent unhinged loon that gets beaten upFelicia had it rough long before the whole>get turned into Marvel's bicycle who everyone and their father had a ride on despite her being monogamous and her obsession with Spider-man being one of her defining character traits>none of this was ever retconned btwFelicia got shafted hard long before the whole Queenpin fiasco. Neither Gwen nor MJ ever got even a fraction of flak and butchering she got, even Sins of the Past got retconned unlike all the bullshit Marvel put Felicia through
>>150360854>All this shit that happened 40 fucking years ago that means nothing now >Meanwhile in the present day MJ says she doesn't love him/never loved him and doesn't want anything to do with him>Says she hates him up until Paul is out of the picture and now she needs a friend and talks up how she was "always there for him" despite how badly she's treated him the past few years>Only support he has right now is Felicia because no one else cares about him
>>150336981>>150337021Can we just do a dickass Peter Parker? Like if he never grew out of being an asshole? And just have him alienate the people around him by being a prick towards them whenever they force themselves into his life? I don't like any of these characters, they do nothing for Spider-man and they're never there when it actually matters. Slopping them into this storyline is just wasting valuable time and page space on literalwhos. So you might as well justify them fucking off by having Peter telling them to fuck off.
>>150362098Honestly things would make more sense if he was a dick pushing everyone away instead of softboy getting shit on
>>150360854>Writer at a time is giant MJ-fag who decided to have her Bad Luck powers become uncontrollable again when Peter is thinking of proposing and building a family with her despite the same powers having been fixed ages agoWas it the writer or editorial? >get turned into Marvel's bicycle who everyone and their father had a ride on despite her being monogamous and her obsession with Spider-man being one of her defining character traits>none of this was ever retconned btwNobody likes thier favorite Gal getting turned into a whore. But, she plays the part well, maybe thats why they haven't retconned any of it
>>150362247
I for one regret they did revel was that Gwen Stacy is not Spider-Man here is how the story would go. As it turns out norman is dying before he dies he wants to make up for his crimes so he manages to revive Gwen somehow. He then revels the truth about her father's death and exposes spider-man real idenity. Gwen id initially shocked by this but norman explains that peter has done lots of good as spider-man and that he is really a hero and a good person. Having come to terms with this Gwen and norman decide the best way to help Peter is if Gwen becomes spider-man herself. The incident in how peter became spider-man is then recreated Gwen is bitten by radioactive spider gains who then gets superhuman powers the proportionate strength, speed and agility of a spider and thus quite literally becomes Spider-Man. As norman contunies to die he wishes Gwen the best luck as Spider-Man he then revels he was the Green goblin and thus he was one who killed her. He says he is sorry for what he did and asks Gwen for forgiveness. Gwen reluctantly gves it to him and norman then dies at peace Gwen then leaves and swinges into action as Spider-Nan
>>150362293Jesus Christ
>Spider-NanCheese or no
>>150362491Okay calm down mistypes happen but all joking aside I really do wish that kind of story would happen . Maybe it would be interesting for a change.
>>150362491>Spider-NanSpider-themed caretaker? Spiderverse truly has gone too far
>>150362624You must’ve skipped Superior because Peter died and met Gwen again. They made up and she says she still loves him.
>>150359322Talking mighty rude about a woman who beats 3 flashes.But really, the Catwoman push is so bad. The time Kang hired Felicia to pull a heist just flows so much better by comparison.
>>150360854This being out of line with the comic or Character is debatable.OMD, which required Peter to make a completely out-of-character deal with the devil and erased decades of character development, Felicia's storyline at least worked within established character flawsSins Past, which retroactively destroyed Gwen's character by having her sleep with Norman Osborn, Felicia's character issues were at least forward-moving rather than retroactive. They didn't go back and say "actually, she was always terrible." They showed her making bad decisions in the present, which is at least marginally more respectful to the character's history. the retcon was not handled well. it isdifficult to take seriouslyWas Foreigner incident worse than the Paul situation which has lasted 3 years and counting? Maybe? its an interesting question. something to think about.
I like these threads becuase I get to go back and read some comics.
>>150362947>This being out of line with the comic or Character is debatable.>OMD, which required Peter to make a completely out-of-character deal with the devil and erased decades of character development, Felicia's storyline at least worked within established character flaws>Sins Past, which retroactively destroyed Gwen's character by having her sleep with Norman Osborn, Felicia's character issues were at least forward-moving rather than retroactive. They didn't go back and say "actually, she was always terrible." They showed her making bad decisions in the present, which is at least marginally more respectful to the character's history.That no longer matters since Spencer undid Sins Past thus it is no longer canon thanks to him.
>>150363117eh, damage is done. can't take it seriously.
Oh but that is on the other hand still remains very much canon. So tell me how do fans feel about the revel hat Sarah and Garbriel were shitty clones made by harry. Norman certainly didn't take it very well.
>>150363184I think there should be an editorial mandate against clone bullshit for the next 50yrs
>>150363145I can on the other hand maybe it does not matter to you but it does to me. Anyway I am just glad it's no longer canon *phew*
>>150363237Yeah now Gwen just fucked Miles Warren in college for better grades
>>150340419Really, I don't hate the idea of Miles in the Ultimate universe how it was originally intended(a grittier universe where death actually mattered). The story of a literal who nobody finding himself suddenly having to fill in for an established, well known hero is a neat idea. They just completely botched it and moving Miles to the main universe was just retarded.
>>150363262lol imagine if that new Mini covers that as the reason for his obsession
>>150363262Oh please cut the shitpost it's getting truly pathetic. I really don't understand why you MJ and osborn fags hate her so much. Yeah she was a nobody character who never amounted to anything bu that's no reason to hate her. Lots of other characters are nobody's also and yet they don't get this is much hatred. And don't give me any crap that her death is what made her "famous" since that's bullshit death does not make one famous.
>>150359400No, you rancid twat, he's been saying "it was always MJ that he was meant to be with"No, he wasn't. That's ahistorical, delusional nonsense. MJ wasn't Ditko or Stan's plan, so that's the end of any "original" argument for MJ.>>150359439There's no need for resolution for OMD. It was 17 years ago. Your magical, emotional thinking and certain language about things you clearly don't actually know are annoying and should embarrass you. Stop being weird about the big titty object prize that Peter "deserves" and just read some fucking comics.>>150359712Mary Jane was never the type of girl to settle down either. Famously she said one of the nastiest lines in comics about it when proposed to. She straight up told peter that there were lots of groovy men out there for her to catch as her way of breaking up with him. It is a line of dialogue so trampy and insensitive it wouldn't fly 50 years later."I don't want you, I want lots of guys" as a proposal response is radioactive.
>>150363436Not him but I don’t hate her. Just what’s done to her That X31 mini hit it right on the head where she’s only brought up out of morbid curiosity so she can be desecrated again
>Shes bad because of this throwaway line from 50yrs ago done for melodrama >The one where she tells him she said it because she was afraid because of her abusive family making her not believe in love and only heartache
>>150359439>MJ provides resolution and an opportunity to move forward from omd.How so? was it not established that she happens to remember the deal what about the fact that she left peter for another man.
>>150363583Peter had ceiling sex with an Asian girl when he was ostensibly dating an Italian midget
>>150363499It dioesn't bother me all since I care nothing for clones of her. Besides knowing editoral she will be quietly killed off some time later.
Well at least beggers like paul lol.
>>150363184>>150363488Ugh. Gwenschizo and a seething Marvel Intern in the same thread? This place is going to Hell in a handbasket.
>>150363692That’s just usual spider man thread
>>150363692This place has been hell since 2008, with shrieking retards engaged in 24/7 persecution complex delusion about Marvel and writers and editors and Brevoort's dumb quotes. There's a completely fanon OMD running non-stop in the heads of half of you and what actually happened in the shitty comic is ignored for the even shittier version in your imaginations. And it's made you so fucking crazy you've been floating here the better part of an entire generation seething at every comic that gets printed and telling each other crazy lies that don't hold up to the tiniest bit of scrutiny in order to keep the faith.
>>150354884Miles especially constantly belittles and talks down to Peter Parker.So Marvel acting like Peter and Miles are friends when Miles has to lecture Peter all the time is dumb.
>>150363583>Muhfuggin Marywhores>Norman, dear, who is this strange homeless man?>Oh, don't mind him Gwen. That's just Paul Rabin.>Maryslutfags>What's wrong with this poor man?>Hm? Oh, some breakup he never got over. He's just been living like some sort of homeless schizophrenic.>That's so sad...>Don't pity him too much, my dear. He's from Poland, and he even tried to molest Eddie Brock's son. Now come on, it's almost time for Peter and Mary Jane's anniversary.>WHORES! WHORES! WHOOOORES!>Yes, I do think we better get going. What an awful creature.
>>150363935I am not listening to your lies, Marvel Intern.
>>150364001Polish people like Paul really do rape a lot of children, it's disgusting
>>150364001Paul is joining his father Terry Long in hell.
>>150364002Oh, I know. It would break your mind to leave your delusions at this point.Imagine realizing you'd wasted your adult life seething at all hours of the day about a fictional character's marriage. You're a cautionary tale.
>>150337820Where is gwen when you need her?
>>150364074Sorry friendo, but ASM sucks and I only buy USM and pirate the rest because it's nothing but faggotry.
>>150364074Shills like you getting angry because I refuse to buy the worthless slop that exists purely to make people angry is always amusing to see.
>>150364001Paul should get a symbiote or some kind of super serum to fill the niche Venom used to in the 90s
>>150364165We already have Rick Jones for that. I'm afraid Paul isn't getting anywhere in life until he manages to rape Dylan Brock.
>>150364161How are you imagining that I'm angry?What would I even be angry about? What did I say about delusions? I don't expect you to buy ASM, you're on 4chan. I expect you to continue to seethe for another 30 years and to get more retarded the entire time until the nurse takes grandpa's phone away.
>>150363583once again confirming she'll never be the one for peter
>>150364439Yeah it must MJ fans seethe so much.
>>150364439We know, Stan.
>>150364439>>150364483>The best selling comic Marvel has, has them together>Gwen Stacy has been truly and definitively replaced by the Superior Spider-Gwen, who has stolen her life and her name, and is going to be with either Miles Morales or Norman Osborn.That's the fate of all USELESS WHORES like Gwen really
>>150364590Gwen's only remaining fan here is a lonely Polish Child Molester btw.
>>150364650It's so true. Unless you count that guy on CBR who keeps bitching about wanting a separate Appreciation thread for the long-dead Old Gwen.
>>150364650Kek that means Gwen is also just a pedophile.
>>150364685There never was an Old Gwen anymore, thanks to Spider-Gwen!
>>150363184These characters were always trash.
>>150364706She wouldn't have needed to be erased and then replaced if she weren't such a FAT USELESS WHORE
>>150364590>>The best selling comic Marvel has, has them togetherAs in where? a meaningless alternative place which will be most likely be wiped out by the maker once he gets out. Say Goodbye to · Earth-6160 anon for he is getting out and very soon now. Miles can't save his sister or stop him from getting out he was always a loser. But doin't worry now the maker will take good care of his sister.
>>150363488> There's no need for resolution for OMD. It was 17 years ago. Your magical, emotional thinking and certain language about things you clearly don't actually know are annoying and should embarrass you. I get it. You think i'm not making a rational criticism. It's a dismissive way of characterizing emotional investment in fictional characters and stories.The irony is that your response is far more emotionally charged and hostile than anything I wrote. you're trying to position yourself as the "rational" one while using crude insults.>Stop being weird about the big titty object prize that Peter "deserves" and just read some fucking comics.I'm not advocating for Felicia Hardy. I'm advocating that his Marriage be restored and they build a family together in the main continuity.Perhaps there can be an ultimate universe where Peter is treated like dog shit with an occasional shag with black cat.
>>150364783>Gwenschizo is arguing the Maker is going to rape a toddlerYou always get so angry when people call you a pedophile, but then you blurt out shit like this as soon as people go easy on you. Kill yourself.
>>150364783The Maker is Polish? LMAO
I don't care what others say or think I like the OG Gwen Stacy just fine and no amount of shitposting will ever change that MJ fags and osborn fags. Besides I not only want her back but I want her to be the next one to take up the mantle of Spider-Man. if she has to be bitten by by a radioactive spider to make it happen then so be it I say.
>>150364865>>150364849>>150364783"You're too late, Miles! I've already raped your younger sister, gaining ULTIMATE power!">This is what Polish people believe comic books should be like.
>>150364933If you didn't care what others think, then you wouldn't chimp out all the time when she gets called out for what she truly is.
>>150364933You're never getting her back. Might as well grow up, mature, and accept Spider-Gwen, the new and official Gwen Stacy of 616.
>>150364849I never said anything about rape dumbass
>>150364963You implied it. Fuck off, you piece of shit.
>>150364961Never say never anon after all jason todd. bucky barnes and even st Danny Rand came back. I am sure therfore it's only a matter of time before they brink back Gwen.hmmm I am sure the cover will say" Gwen Stacy returns to save the Spider-Man legacy"Yes the The Undead Gwen Stacy sounds right to me.
>>150365040>All of those characters are actually popular. No one cares about Gwen.
>>150365040Have I got news for you, anon! They already brought Gwen back! :D
>>150365021I did not.
I liked Gwen when she was a hellcat and had no qualms throwing hands with Peter After they hook up she gets boring
>>150365055Oh awesome, as a Gwen Stacy fan I'm really happy to see Spider-Gwen swinging into action back home where she belongs!
>>150365047Danny Rand was not particularly popular among fans truth be told and yet they brought him back anyway care to explain why genius?
>>150365064You're not smart enough to play these games with people. Grow up, own your mistakes, and get out of my face.
>>150336981We need a multiversal vampire to show up and clean house on this bloated cast. Especially Spider-Boy, get the fuck out of here.
>>150363583Where is it explicitly stated she remembers the deal. She asked mephisto to let her remember during omit retcon but where is the evedence she actually does. Genuinely asking out of ingnorance. I can't find anything. Also, she was seperated in another dimension. Peter was either dead or left her there, how would she know. Plus there were magical kids or whatever. i dont think stating that she left him, or that she cheated on him is accurate
>>150365109Danny Rand was popular enough to show up in Ultimates. Maybe Polish Pedophiles aren't able to figure out what's popular or actually liked by normal people. Maybe Marvel should fire all their Polish people!
>>150365132If you had bothered to read one moment in time then you would know it is implied there that MJ does remember the deal remind to storytime it just for you one day.
>>150365199Maybe you could post more of your fanfic from AO3 you disgusting child rapist!
>>150336981>>150337021I'd rather something like this then the shit show that was superior's no one noticing or caring how OOC Pete was.
>>150365227Maybe you should go read one moment in time instead of shitposting.
>>150365257I will as soon as you delete all the child porn on your computer. Delete it and I will. But you never will. You don't have the balls.
>>150365176He matters in the 616 universe not the Ultimate one dumbass.
>>150365269Go read the story and then come back.
>>150365247They only did this to overcorrect for SuperiorAvengers will show up next Mind you all these people have an intense dislike for him at the moment and wouldn’t care
>>150365299Okay I read it, and I found out that... all Gwen Stacy fans are from Poland, and they fuck children????Whoah, thank you for opening my eyes. You should storytime it here while I report you to the mods, it's really important that people know about OMIT, a story that was already retconned away by Joe Quesada and taken out of continuity many years ago!!!
>>150354156They're like black people. Spider-Americans dictate how other Spider-Americans should act, because real Spiggas have to act a certain way, or the other spiders in the bucket will drag them down for trying to be better than them.
>>150365341GO FUCKING READ IT NOT A SHITPOST I AM DONE TALKING WITH YOU
>>150365421GOOD! DISGUSTING CHILD RAPISTS LIKE YOU DON'T BELONG IN THESE THREADS! GET OUT OF HERE FILTH! GET OUT OF HERE SCUM!
>>150365421>ACCEPT MY FANFICTION AS CANON, DAMN IT! REEEEEEEEEE!!!Do PolishFAGs really?
>>150365330>They only did this to overcorrect for SuperiorAs they should.>Mind you all these people have an intense dislike for him at the moment and wouldn’t careGet a new gimmick already
>>150365485They still hate him for disappearing for six months IIRC. The only reason they care about Spider-Nor-Man is because he's damaging their brands too.
>>150365463not a rapist you idiot.
>>150365542Oh then you're a 'virtuous pedophile' who only lusts after children but is too much of a coward to try anything okay
>>150364835Lol Mary Jane is the big titty prize. She's the object reward for being a good good boy, and you can tell because the part of their relationship everyone likes best is Straczynski's, where she's just a faithful wife and not her actual character, a dance-and-party crazed maniac. Felicia comes with genuine values and social conflict stresses that make their relationship more interesting. She's not a prize, she's a conundrum even if she does have big knockers.And you get the insults because you lie about things to other people to shore up your insanity, not because of my emotional investment.>You think I'm not making a rational criticismYou cannot have a rational opinion this strong about something when you have demonstrated so clearly you don't even know what you are talking about. And when you are actually just rewriting the story in your mind and then attacking people for not intuiting your fanfiction, there is no combination of insult or expression I could ever muster that would compare to that level of feeling. In a way, I envy you. Most people this terminally online are kinda dead inside, but you're still furiously imagining entire comic books and editorial meetings that didn't happen and inserting mustache-twirling cartoon personalities for real people that are simply nothing like what you imagine.
>>150365622>Mary Jane is the big titty prize.How can you look at Peter's non-relationship with someone like Shay and see her as anything but an awkward and cheap consolation prize for all the pointless crap Wells put Peter through? Are you retarded?
The Marvel intern is doing overtime
>>150365622>Marvel Intern can't stand the fact that he's wrong and is now crashing out.Where does Marvel find these losers? In Dan Slott's extended family?
>>150363488>>150365622Hey maybe you should work on making your books better instead of badly losing arguments online
>>150365622>inserting mustache-twirling cartoon personalities for real people that are simply nothing like what you imagine.Oh yeah, heard this one before. 100% Marvel staff.
>>150365640I think Shay sucks. I don't see her as a consolation prize, I see her as an uninteresting plot thread to wrap up. Next.>>150365674You know, I've been Brevoort, Lowe, Slott, Bendis, an intern, I think Wacker at one point, Quesada, Wells and a few more. It is crazy how you all assume that no one could possibly disagree with you and how you actually represent the real fans despite... Proudly pirating the comic on a website famous for Nazis and child pornography.Besides, everyone knows the Marvel people are on CBR or Bluesky.
>>150365731If they don't want to be seen as assholes, maybe they shouldn't have based their entire strategy around pissing people off? As it is I'm looking forward to Nick Lowe humiliating himself again at the next NYCC.
>>150365701I don't have books, and not one of you can make a point to save your lives, and most of you don't have more than a crazed feeling about what was or is in the books at any given point.
>>150365806>I think Shay sucks. I don't see her as a consolation prize, I see her as an uninteresting plot thread to wrap up. Next.You know, based on this it sounds to me that you don't actually think the current writing is any good either! You just really want to defend ASM's writing because of some weird parasocial relationship you've developed with Marvel staff.
>>150365806Is that the thought process going on there? There can be no real fans because no one's buying?
>>150365817See, this is an example of the mass delusion here.Brevoort said at one point that when the fans are just generally sort of quiet, sales are bad, and when people are mad, sales are stronger.That does not mean the strategy is make people mad. That doesn't follow, that's not a rational interpretation of that statement. Mad is simply a measure of engagement.The correct interpretation of that statement is that the storytelling should be bold, it should take risks, and it shouldn't be afraid to play with sacred cows. Most people love the Straczynski run up until the end, but I fucking hated it, because the spider-totem shit sucks ass. I still actually enjoyed much of it anyways, but I was annoyed because I thought and think that tying Pete to cosmic fate and God mythology diminishes the message of AF#15 and the franchise. Sales were great.Obviously the execution of this can leave a lot to be desired, as demonstrated by the hyper-dogshit Gwenpool run that's dribbling off shelves right now
>>150365914It's a very Slott way of thinking. Shills like this just want people to shut up, consume product and get excited for next product. When people refuse to do so, they get angry and lash out.
>>150365936>That does not mean the strategy is make people madThen why did a character like Paul Rabin, regarded as nothing more than a prank gone wrong by Marvel at this point, somehow outlast the Clone Saga? We didn't like him. Marvel didn't like him. The only person here who loved him is some pedophile currently living in Warsaw, Poland.Perhaps, something has indeed gone hideously and hopelessly awry???
>>150365969There's no way to win under the Slott playbook though. If you buy it and criticize it, you're obviously deranged and your opinion is invalid because you're buying a book you hate and your opinion is irrelevant. If you pirate it and criticize it, you're a thief and a bad person and your opinion is invalid. If you get the information second-hand from review sites, social media, and word of mouth and conclude 'it's not to my liking' you're an idiot and not getting the full story, therefore you can't criticize it.>>150365806So how do people critical of the book's current direction actually win here? Well, it's simple: they just can't!
>>150366025That's the reason why shills like this parrot the moron like they are reciting gospel, because it allows them to "win" against all of their detractors. It's delusional.
>>150366059Literally, there's no way to win under his argument. Engaging with the material you dislike in any way, shape, or form, or even just criticizing it while minimizing your engagement, is just grounds to invalidate you or ignore your critique.In other words, the Dan Slott playbook sort of encapsulates the MAGA mindset. "YOU EITHER LOVE IT OR YOU LEAVE IT, YOU FAGGOTS!"
>>150365914People are buying. Look at charts. Book's doing fine.>>150365844I like Kelly's writing and I always have. It would be bad writing to take a character you're not interested in and hold up a "she died on the way back to her home planet" card. Good writers work with uninteresting characters. Sometimes they make them interesting; Claremont turned a really underwhelming hulk mook into the most beloved character of the 90s. Sometimes they use them in interesting ways; Aunt May was originally very boring, but she did the job of creating tension and conflict that the comic needs to be a story. Sometimes they just write them out in a satisfactory or sensible way (Michele moving away because she was no longer watching her brother's apartment)
>>150366087Marvel shills will also become enraged if you disengage completely. It's not a take it or leave it situation. They just want you to take their abuse with no complaints.
>>150366092>People are buying. Look at charts. Book's doing fine.That's not what he's saying. He's saying your argument is that we can't criticize the book because we're not purchasing it... even though, in your example, buying a book we dislike and increasing its sales numbers is also grounds to invalidate yet more arguments. >It would be bad writing to take a character you're not interested in and hold up a "she died on the way back to her home planet" card.It really sounds like they don't give a fuck about her. Peter cheated on her with Felicia in one issue while depressed and they were more interested in salving Peter's character by having her come off as obnoxious, uninvested, and pushing him into an 'open relatonship' ergo Peter's in the clear! Peter's getting a new love interest way out in space anyways now! At least Deb Whitman had a purpose in the story and they acknowledged that Peter did trample on her feelings simply by being so uninvested in her.
>>150366163Well, the people who disengage just stop posting, and then the shills can just point to the sales charts and go 'SEE! SEE! THE BOOK IS STILL DOING GREAT AND I HEAR NOBODY COMPLAINING NOW' as if those charts mean anything. Apparently they only stop meaning anything and they start hemming and hawing over its unreliability whenever Ultimate Spider-Man tops the charts...
>>150365976I don't think even this polish figure you are always on about actually likes him, I think he's just fucking with you because you're so fuckwithable.Wells, whose run I didn't particularly care for in a regular, non-meltdown way, didn't know how mad y'all would get.I get it, on paper. MJ moves on in a no-fault way- Peter doesn't own her, and she thinks he's dead anyways. Sad, she sort of shifts out of the cast into her own book, Peter finally moves onBut I think you people *do* think he owns her. That she is his by right. Yours, by right. Anyways,Marvel's always trying to get lady comics off the ground for reasons that I can only make informed speculation about (values, markets, growth potential, etc) so they took MJ's status quo and did a little series with it. It... Existed. I don't know what's up with Ewing, but Ewing *loves* to use the little broken bits are parts that other people wish were gone- a bit like Morrison, in his way. I haven't enjoyed ANV even though I normally like Ewing quite a lot- but I think that if you hate Paul, you should probably stay tuned to ANV.
>>150366174Oh, you can definitely criticize the book. Proof's in the pudding.But what you can't say is that you represent the people who buy the book, because you definitionally don't. And you probably didn't in 2008, either. Pete and Shay are not exclusive. It was a whole thing. Pete doesn't love that, because he's old-fashioned at heart. This is on the page.>>150366196If you want to discuss shortcomings of the book I'm happy to discuss that. If you want to dump on the book because you're mad every week it's not 2007 again, that's crazy.
>>150366336>because he’s old fashioned at heartHe was literally dating Liz and Betty at the same time in high school and was dating Gwen and MJ in college
>>150366092>Claremont turned a really underwhelming hulk mook into the most beloved character of the 90s.That's because he was basically free to do as he please. Think about it, Len Wein wrote Wolverine with the X-men in mind, at the time was thinking of him as a teen/young adult to fit in the X-men. But because none of this, Claremont was free to retool Logan as he pleased.Now, that doesn't mean there is nothing that a competent writer could do with Shay, but I don't think anyone is interested in doing anything with Shay. In fact, I don't think any modern writers are interested in doing anything at all.Back then, Dikto had the drive to have Betty's brother getting involved in the crime world, which led to his death and basically doomed Pete's relationship since she hated Spider-man. You have that whole Gwen death stuff. You had MJ's aversion to the marriage and the stuff with her dad and sister. You had Black Cat and her incompatible values to Peter's. You had Debra being neglected by Peter, that jerk. Looking back, those stories would be hated by /co/, 'cause Betty ending up with Leed made him a cuck or Peter being a jerk to Debra is not their spider-man, but whatever.But, comparing them to Shay, and I feel like her entire existence is cynical. She exist because Pete needed a GF that was not MJ.She reminds of Jill Stacy.
>>150366247>I don't think even this polish figure you are always on about actually likes him, I think he's just fucking with you because you're so fuckwithable.No, we know, but that's specifically why he adores and has invested so much of his personality on Paul, because really his entire personality begins and ends with trying to ineptly fuck with people while we try to provoke him into another meltdown by bringing up the time he bragged about raping kids.>But I think you people *do* think he owns her. That she is his by right. Yours, by right.Now see, people have tried to argue that Paul is *empowering* for MJ, and that Dead Language is actually woke or something because they're gullible, naive, and lack media literacy but I'm not sure being nothing more than accessory or reward to a character who literally fucked up and caused her face to melt off is really the idyll romance that people playing devil's advocate for Paul want to pass it off as.>I think that if you hate Paul, you should probably stay tuned to ANV.No, I know, I read it. Ding dong the witch is dead or whatever. The boring genocidal fucker still lasted longer than Clone Saga. Why did it take three years to lance an utter abscess of a character that even Zeb Wells seemed sick of? Why did Lowe and Brevoort act like catty teenage girls online and try to antagonize people over him, only to slither away and actually try to censor themselves after the NYCC debacle and a couple of Substack meltdowns from Brevoort?
>>150358214c-cute!
>>150366364What date meant in the late 60s and what it means now are pretty different, and I think implying that he had any real romantic tension with MJ while he was with Gwen is a hard sell. They did do things together, but Pete seems more exasperated by her than into her (although he does think she is attractive) and she's with his best friend at the time (although that doesn't restrain her from hurting herself crotch first at him at every opportunity)
>>150366372Betty properly broke things off with Peter before going further with Ned
>>150366336>Pete and Shay are not exclusive. It was a whole thing. Pete doesn't love that, because he's old-fashioned at heart. This is on the page.It was literally only pulled out from Kelly's ass after he had Peter do a sex for solace thing with Felicia during Eight Deaths. It was only after that when Nick Lowe started talking out of both the sides of his mouth in the letter pages by saying 'oh, they're not EXCLUSIVE' and then had Shay say as much several issues later on page.Only after Peter cheated on her, mind you. I don't know man, it sounds to me that Marvel's issues with women run far deeper than my issues with women. In the end the only reason Paul's feelings are centered so heavily in his weird and broken relationship with MJ is because Paul is a male character, and MJ is a female one.
>>150366372I think Wells was hoping to create a character that brought Pete into the orbit of Ravencroft more and redo some of those Batmannier 90s stories. I just think he was out of juice as a writer and sort of flailing. And honestly, even a character as instantly believable as Norah Winters would probably have failed to graft in that setup. I'm a longtime "ready for MJ to just be gone" person, but that story is, in universe, heartbreaking for Pete, and out of universe, no one was going to be like "yeah, this blind date is definitely the new best thing"I think Jill is a good comparison. When Shay does go, that's about the level of remembrance I am imagining.
>>150366401She works better with wolverine
>>150366550I would honestly have accepted Peter breaking up with MJ if it weren't for those hilariously, increasingly over the top, retarded storyline like a random plane crash, to a deal with the fucking devil to a goddamn aztec god lmao.
>>150366453I meanI wouldn't call Ireland's writing on this Earth's finest, but they seem pretty broke up here earlier in the issue
>>150341703So it literally wasn't peter, it was Otto in Peter's body
>>150366651Except they’re right back together like nothing happened right at the end of Eight Deaths. It just makes Shay look like a shit person, and a shit nurse for failing to pick up on obvious red flags for Peter’s suicidal ideation, but that’s the “stellar writing” that Marvel’s shills want to justify as they shove it down our throats.
>>150366380>Now see, people have tried to argue that Paul is *empowering* for MJ, and that Dead Language is actually woke or something because they're gullible, naive, and lack media literacy but I'm not sure being nothing more than accessory or reward to a character who literally fucked up and caused her face to melt off is really the idyll romance that people playing devil's advocate for Paul want to pass it off as.I can barely parse this. I think you're trying to argue that Paul doesn't deserve the reward that is MJ and that if you think he does you look bad.But thinking that the Castaway scenario creates a no-fault breakup is not the same as imagining that somehow it made her a reward for Paul. Paul is a device, barely a character at all. The idyllic qualities or lack thereof of their relationship is largely irrelevant, and getting mad at him for failing to be the hero, when he is in fact not the hero- when you're reading Spider-Man, a book that is about, if any single thing, picking up and trying again when you have failed...It's nonsense.Also, women aren't rewards.
>>150366550I think Zeb legit forget that Peter already dated a “sassy”/cunty female lawyer named Michelle during BND, and when he realized it had to scramble to hastily slap together a nurse named Shay out of the finest cardboard and blocks of wood left over in Marvel’s shed.
>>150366764She’s been nothing more than an accessory for Paul. She is, somehow, a reward for Paul for all the trauma that he had to endure with his inadvertent mass genocide. MJ only becomes Jackpot because she’s depressed over Paul’s fake children disappearing!Of course Paul isn’t the hero, but why do they give the useless faggot such a glow up and try to vindicate him for his genocides as “j-j-just like Peter and Uncle Ben. He gets a depressing amount of screentime to do absolutely nothing with, simply because of an alpha male toxic mindset in editorial. “You hate Paul? Well now you faggots get MORE Paul!” Nick Lowe was literally taunting people that he was going to have Paul show up more because people hated him so much! What the fuck was that?>Also, women aren't rewards.Oh, I’m with you there! The people who *do* need to be told are Zeb Wells, Nick Lowe, Dan Slott, Tom Brevoort, and now of course Joe Kelly.
>>150366742Except that they're not?They're starting their nothing of a relationship over.Nurses are not responsible to chase down people that don't want to be helped, even when they're girlfriends, and he wasn't suicidal, he was flat affect, which is a risk factor, not the thing.I don't know how she looks like an asshole. Looks to me like she got blown off for a couple weeks and decided they were done, got a call for help, showed up mad, answered the question he asked but didn't fawn on a guy that clearly wasn't trying to fix things, then agreed to be asked out again afterwards. In between, emo Pete gets a little pick me up from Black Cat.If anyone looks like an asshole it's Peter, and he is kind of an asshole, but he did also just endure an impossible, dehumanizing torture.If there's a flaw in Ireland's writing there, and I think there is, it's not in the Pete/Shay/Felicia bit. I don't buy the "oh they're gonna die now oh shit now it matters how did I forget" transition.
So, do we agree that the entire premise of Spider-man IN SPAAAAAAACE suck?
>>150366990Only to the extent that Spider-Man on Earth already completely fucking sucked too!
>>150367033Fair point. Man, my Spider-man freelance photographer fan fic I have in my head is so much better than the official comics.
>>150366984But that’s the thing! They’re spending a lot of time and effort making any breakup look like Shay’s fault for wanting an open relationship and being barely invested in the first place. When it’s really more that, once again, Peter being Spider-Man damages his relationships hurr hurr hurr. Bitch is just Gwen Stacy 2.0.
>>150367072I would rather read that than ASM so gimme the deets, I too am coping constructively by writing fanfic as a refuge.
>>150366990I don't like cosmic Marvel, but even then it still seems to be about nothing.
>>150366984>but he did also just endure an impossible, dehumanizing torture.That’s just Tuesday for him. He’s already bounced back and instantly self-cured his PTSD in time for the next horrific torture! Eight Deaths was meaningless filler.
>>150367109>Starts with Pete with a scientist job>His new responsabilities are just too much to reconcile with Spider-man>Have to choose between SCIENCE! and Spider-man>Choose Spider-man.>Decide to become a freelance photographer. >Get his Spider-man photos rejected, because surprise! Drones and new tech made it easier for normies to get pics of Spider-man.>Force himself to do photography as a hobbie to build a portfolio for his website, ends up liking it.>Female rival get introduced. She hates Peter's guts because he is clearly in it for the money while she is an artist. Running gag about her being less successful because she is less pro than Perter due to her artist side not wanting to compromise vision for professionalism.
>>150366921>She’s been nothing more than an accessory for Paul. She is, somehow, a reward for Paul for all the trauma that he had to endure with his inadvertent mass genocide. MJ only becomes Jackpot because she’s depressed over Paul’s fake children disappearing!First of all, they're not "Paul's fake children" they're Paul's evil dad's fake children made for them to manipulate them. Second, I disagree with your whole interpretation of their relationship. She isn't his reward, doesn't come off as his reward or as his accessory. She's had two books, and he's been man-in-chair for one and emasculated vegan stepdad in the second.>His genocideHis dad did the genocide, he was an unwitting part. And then he killed people so his dad couldn't do any more genocides, because he couldn't stop his dad, then he killed his dad when he got the chance. He's a tragic figure, not some sort of DBZ/Steven Universe "Hitler says he's sorry now we're gonna stick him in the cast" figure. His sin is out of universe, and it's being boring.>Alpha male toxic mindset in editorialThis is an insane take. Un fucking hinged.It *really* sounds like you do think women are rewards, though. Like, you think MJ was "given" to Paul, and you're mad about that, rather than parsing that this is a story about fictional characters who went through events that changed their status quo.
>>150367245I like it!
>>150367307I actually think it sucks now that I wrote it, but glad you liked it!
>Helps commit genocide>Its okay hon that was universe 3 genocide this is 616 it doesn’t matter>Heres your complimentary redhead and premade children for your emotional distress for ensuring the line goes up for stockholders Spider-Man is funny
>>150367335It needs some workshopping but isn’t terrible
>>150367372>the lines goes down insteadA-ackshully we never liked him at all you fucking chuds!
>>150367394>It needs some workshoppingYeah, I am not willing to do that lmao. But, you know, its not like I hate what I wrote. I was inspired by a my mother's love for photography, so this fan fiction is kinda special, even if its just something that exist in my head.
>>150367297>She's had two books, and he's been man-in-chair for one and emasculated vegan stepdad in the second.They made her a superhero so Paul could stick around as her guy in the chair. The moment she stopped being Jackpot was the moment he had nothing left *but* emasculated vegan! They got rid of Jackpot because they needed to get rid of PAUL. >His dad did the genocide, he was an unwitting part.I’m not sure good old Magneto would give Paul a pass for just following orders, yanno? Not a good look. Plus, his fucking origin story (because he apparently needed one) showed that he went too far in monetizing his clearly unhinged dad while doing next to nothing to stop him. Paul isn’t Frieza, but he’s definitely one of those guys who gets drunk and commits vehicular manslaughter. Except he vehicular manslaughtered billions of people.>This is an insane take. Un fucking hinged.Can you give me a reason why Brevoort and Lowe were taunting people over MJ and Paul online? What sort of genius 4D chess was involved there? What was meant to be the next step in their master plan before the ungrateful fans ruined it with their backlash?
>>150366401PererFel looks even better in civilian clothes ngl
>>150367577they're not wearing civilian cloths you fucking retard
>>150367680Anon……
>>150367234I don't think it was completely bereft of interesting elements, but yes it was filler.I don't think Shay looks bad, I think she looks modern (ironically, since it's actually more modern to be exclusive) and I don't think anyone will really need to be a bad guy when they inevitably breakup, unless she goes full Ravencroft first.>>150366990I'm willing to let it play out, but since we've had 4 previous "earth hero has magical adventures in space with the guardians" already (Flash, Tony, Kitty, Ben) my expectations are low, and "get stronger" is one of my least favorite plot arcs because power-wankery leads to dumb shit like every run of Thor after Simonsen left until Ewing.But, it hasn't been done with Pete yet, so maybe? I do like Kelly.
>>150367753yes, anon? how can i help?
>>150367782Not like it means anything. His modern stories are a series of contrivances with no overarching long term story telling. His temp power up will go the way of him being temp champ to Sorcerer Supreme Doom and cramming decades worth of arcane knowledge and never using it since.
>>150336981Mainline spider-man comics have consistently sucked for well over a decade now.
>>150367245I'd read it, any thought for the rival character? OC or not?
>>150367561You're insane. You think they published a jackpot book so that they could have the joy of publishing more Paul? And that they couldn't get rid of Paul without getting rid of Jackpot? She could have replaced him as chair man, or absorbed the powers, or a million other things. You seem to be unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality>Magneto rambling orders blah blahI can't tell if I've missed this origin of yours or if you made it up to make yourself more mad. That's not a faithful rendition of his origin as recounted in ASM, and I might have missed some of the Jackpot stuff but I didn't see it in there or in ANV.>Can you give me a reason why Brevoort and Lowe were taunting people over MJ and Paul online?Because you subhumans have been harassing them for decades. You ruin panels, discussions , websites with your monomaniacal devotion, and you're constantly pissed forever that ruining things for everyone else isn't getting you what you want. I assume they occasionally enjoy taunting you, or possibly think it serves a larger purpose like when Slott was pretending that Superior was going to be permanent. Again, they know you don't buy the comics, so making you mad isn't a sales move. It doesn't take 4d chess chops to get that.
>>150363117>>150363184You can't stop us remembering it and shipping it you awful pedo ass-bastard. You'll never stop us, and one day one of us will bring their kids back.
>>150363488> Mary Jane was never the type of girl to settle down either. Famously she said one of the nastiest lines in comics about it when proposed to. She straight up told peter that there were lots of groovy men out there for her to catch as her way of breaking up with him. It is a line of dialogue so trampy and insensitive it wouldn't fly 50 years later.Who was the writer and what were his opinions on Mary Jane and "development"? As you stated the way she acts here is egregious. Especially when the scene in Spectacular is considered.will post below
>>150368489>Because you subhumans have been harassing them for decades. You ruin panels, discussions , websites with your monomaniacal devotion, and you're constantly pissed forever that ruining things for everyone else isn't getting you what you want. I assume they occasionally enjoy taunting you, or possibly think it serves a larger purpose like when Slott was pretending that Superior was going to be permanent. Again, they know you don't buy the comics, so making you mad isn't a sales move. It doesn't take 4d chess chops to get that.Sounds more like you threw a tantrum
>>150346348Weird that vlbailey looks a bit like he coulda been mj and Pete's kid, though maybe that is what slott designed his apperance around.
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>>150368622why do we have to wait so long to post again? is it a spam thing?
>>150368159It was the suit. "Arcane armor to give you access to the mystic arts"
It's definitely someone from Marvel getting unhinged in this thread, huh. Must be from something going on at Disney affecting Marvel
>>150368489>She could have replaced him as chair man, or absorbed the powers, or a million other things. My guy he literally built the retarded tech that gave her the retarded powers, and had to be “in charge” of the rolls she could access to prevent her from rolling 3 Skulls. She then immediately rolled 3 Skulls the second she was out of the grip of Nick Lowe’s fat fingers, but at the time that was THE justification for Paul’s involvement.>I can't tell if I've missed this origin of yours or if you made it up to make yourself more mad.It was in issue 56 of Zeb’s ASM run. It somehow made him look worse. Pic related!>Manage my dad? Stop his work? No, he’s supposed to make me MONEY! Get the guy who was just diagnosed with stage IV cancer to watch him, it’ll be finePaul was irresponsible!>You ruin panels, discussions , websites with your monomaniacal devotion, and you're constantly pissed forever that ruining things for everyone else isn't getting you what you want.So they got so tired of backlash… that they created even bigger backlash… that fucked them over harder and caused themselves even worse problems… ON PURPOSE. You make them sound pretty retarded, friend!
>>150364001Someone draw this story please
How much longer until this is canon in 616?
>>150368748Why’d they give Paul a Hitler mustache?
>>150368877Presumably because Nick Lowe is fond of Hitler.
>>150368877It’s just a standard pencil mustache not a toothbrush
>>150368591I know you all love to basically pretend Wolfman doesn't count, because for you the metric isn't about Spider-Man stories, it's about who is on "your side" to the point where you assemble lists of writers you approve of.Mary Jane was 100% not the marrying kind, but by golly Stan was hitchin' em in the newspaper strip and Marvel loves publicity, so they threw the black cat out with the bathwater, rewrote MJ's history and literally turned a ho into a housewife. Now, that's a retcon, that's canon, but it doesn't change that Pete proposed and she said "I need other fellas sorry" and fucked off shortly after, even if Spectacular did its best to soften the blow. And it definitely doesn't change who she was before, when she was with Harry, or who she was before the wedding, and even shortly after.
>>150363488MJ wasn't the type to settle down until she got the reality check of Gwen's death, and all of the character development that followed by Conway. Yes, Wolfman did shit all over that, but then down the line Stern and DeFalco managed to use that to add more to her character and develop her further.Felicia has never had anything like that. The most she got was learning to like Peter as well as Spider-Man, but she still didn't and doesn't want to settle down. Could she get the same character development MJ got? Sure. Will she? No. That's why she will never be endgame, and why she's the favoured love interest of Marvel staff
>>150368748How did Zeb consistently try to make a tragic hero ala Peter Parker only to fuck up and make him look more despicable every time?
>>150368979Wolfman "doesn't count" in the sense that Stern and DeFalco retconned it all into be an insecure act. They took a shit moment and turned it into something that benefited her character
>>150368877That's not a Hitler mustache, Jonah has a Hitler mustache.
>>150368612No? Saying "actually you're the one who's been mad" after spending 6000 days in a row pissed off about a fictional marriage is never really going to come off with you sounding like the calm, cool one
>>150368989Weird how you try to paint yourself as a concerned feminist but every time the topic turns back to MJ in prior books you scrunch up your nose like an irate poodle and go “NO TRUST ME GUYS SHE WAS A TOTAL WHORE”Seems a little contradictory.
>>150369130I just buy Ultimate Spider-Man and read storytimes of ASM here while annoying the Gwenschizo by throwing peanuts at him periodically. You seem to be the one spiraling and treating Paul like he’s the editors’ personal Scourge of God and a righteous punishment for our sinful comic book preferences here. Come on, mang. Take a deep breath, smoke some weed, and chillax! The people writing this garbage are not your friends. They don’t even know who you are.
>>150369134What the fuck are you ranting about now? I literally just outlined the difference between MJ and Felicia and their histories
>>150368748Look, you can't keep straight what's in universe and not in universe, what stories can and can't do, what the constraints of at least trying to do decent storytelling require, and you exaggerate everything Paul did to make him sound as bad as possible because you think that making him sound bad to forum people means MJ being with him is crazy when it makes sense in the context of the story.You can't be reasoned with because you're not operating in a real universe, so I'll give you a gift.You've been right all along. I'm Nick Lowe, and I've spent my whole career in comics trying to get to the point where I can destroy the Amazing Spider-Man. Eventually I'll replace him with Miles, who can't sustain a book, but that's secondary to my true goal of ruining everything about this character you, specifically you, internet rando who can't keep what's real and not straight and thinks women are objects. Only you can stop me, by making it 35 years of posting about how evil I am on a pirate forum. That's what the glyphs Paul makes say. But you don't have the guts to hate me that long, do you?
>>150369253Sorry, that was actually for the guy who posted. >>150368979Friendly fire, sorry!
>>150369237You all are your own punishment. No editors needed.
>>150369305I personally prefer a much simpler theory: you’re a manchild fan with a parasocial relationship with Marvel Editorial and was dropped on the head as a child.
I just come here for the schizo posts
>>150369374No friend, you’re our punishment. Because your posts are shit and your arguments are incoherent, but I still like you better than Gwenschizo because you at least managed to avoid going on a long rant about how you actually fuck kids or something. So, welcome!
>>150369096No, Hitler has a Jonah mustache.
>>150369401I’m also mostly just here to taunt the Polish pedophile guy honestly, I did not sign on for a genuine Marvel Intern, you guys!
>>150369320I'm not a concerned feminist.I think a woman (or a man) can be a ho. I don't particularly place a value judgement on it- I like a ho now and again. Wouldn't marry one, but I've been friends with some, dated a couple and been disappointed by a couple more. But I don't think women are objects or rewards.What I do think is that most of the weird marriage stans think MJ is a reward Peter earned, and that's why they are mad. Especially mad when she is "given" to someone else.
>>150369472I don’t think she’s a reward, dude. I just think they’re entertaining to watch, and I like that they’re a toxic couple that managed to make it everyone else’s problem instead of theirs as their issues collide in entertaining and often dramatic ways.I’m still not sure what Paul even was, he just sort of sat there and sucked his thumb. He wasn’t worth $5 of my money every 2-4 weeks, at the very least, and I’m glad he’s shitcanned.
So is our big conclusion after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that Marvel really *did* double down on a useless nothing character like Paul to spite the “bad” fans? Because it sounds like that really did them more harm than good.
>>150367680ESL retardo-kun.....
>>150369878That does seem to be his argument, yes.>>150368489>Because you subhumans have been harassing them for decades. You ruin panels, discussions , websites with your monomaniacal devotion, and you're constantly pissed forever that ruining things for everyone else isn't getting you what you want. I assume they occasionally enjoy taunting you, or possibly think it serves a larger purpose like when Slott was pretending that Superior was going to be permanent. Again, they know you don't buy the comics, so making you mad isn't a sales move. It doesn't take 4d chess chops to get that.According to him the only reason they made the books almost unreadable for three years straight is because the absolute badasses in editorial just wanted to fire back on those accursed shitposters on a pirate forum. Basically it all boiled down to fat-kid-touching-the-hot-stove behavior. Sad!
>>150369452>>150370060The Marvel intern's making the kind of gaslighting and aggressive tone that Slott would do
>>150366092>People are buying. Look at charts. Book's doing fine.I don't know man, if ASM's only getting 45,000 orders that's not exactly doing fine
>>150369378No, the way he writes comes off more like someone who works in the industry. There's some tells. He's definitely someone either at Marvel or connected to the BND editorial who's crashing out because of something.
Spider-Man threads make me think that Marvel employees actually post here.
>Norman's wife is in the cover she isn't in the issue itself
>>150368591This is hilariously grim...>THERE IS WHOLE WORLD OUT THERE OF OTHER MEN THAT AREN"T YOU! AND I AM GOING TO FUCK THEM ALL!>>150368622>>150368660this scene is actually great.
>>150340314hire this man right this moment.
>>150371294It's difficult to imagine anyone who doesn't work at Marvel defending their retarded decisions and actions so passionately.
>Reading Spider-Man comics after one more dayYou must be masochists.
>>150373036-and plagiarism apologizers regardless of the marketLet's be real. Webtoon shouldn't host Marvel comics to begin with.
>>150366336>If you want to discuss shortcomings of the book I'm happy to discuss that.Then refute >>150373199
>>150336981Is Miles hate the most mainstream case of Black fatigue?
>>150374643its not black fatigue its more of him being a shitty character
>>150374643Finn from Star Wars
>>150336981I get the hate for Slott, but he and Wells aren't even in the same League when it comes to fucking up Spider-Man.>>150337192Again, MJ didn't cheat on him. She thought he was long-dead. You can call it contrived timey-wimey bullshit and I'll agree with you, but (and I want to put as much backhand on this compliment as possible) Wells didn't write MJ cheating on Spider-Man. He just wrote a story where (Sigh) Spider-Man got to feel cheated-on.
>>150375401In fairness a lot of that was Rian Johnson being shockingly incompetent and giving both Finn and Poe awful storylines. Dude said he originally planned on having the two guys go off to do bro things together but - and to this day I'm stunned he would admit this - Johnson said he couldn't figure out how to make their dialogue distinct, so he could tell which one was talking when reading the script.One was a former Stormtrooper that just wanted to get the fuck out. The other was a hotshot rebel pilot that grinned at the guy torturing him and went "harder." And Johnson admits then when writing a script he couldn't make them sound like two different people. DFSAljaogjra;rejgoeqiro.Jesus that movie sucked.
>>150337021Where is the real Spider-man?
I genuinely liked the Superior era, aside the actual Slott books and Mighty Defenders, it was a fun ride.I don't feel the same about this.Superior second run was pretty good and I really liked Elliot Toliver.I would rather have Marvel bring that character back through convoluted comic book logic than just repeat the same idea until Shocker, Rhino and Alistair Smithy get a turn as well.I also dislike Miles, Silk, Gwen and Spider-Boy like you wouldn't believe.15 years later and Miles is still the crossover guy.Silk replacing Spider-Woman and being equally as ineffective.Fucking everything about Gwen, holy shit.Spider-Boy, remember when Miles was the young rookie spider-man and we just did a time skip through his development as a character? Bendis the Comic Writer sure is a crazy dude.
>>150373036Spider-man as a comic peaked in the 80s.From then on it has been widely inconsistent.OMD was retarded but you are forgetting Sins Past, Radioactive Cum and other hits from the 2000s like Nightcrawler Pope and Trouble.Peter has been a side character in his own story for over 20 years now being a vehicle for other bullshit crossovers which is at larger the worst part about modern spider-man.
>>150368376She would be an OC to revitalize Pete's support cast.
>>150359497>>150359622No. She literally only makes herself and Peter extremely horny because Silk is biologically made to be Peter's mate. Full-on pumping out kids.
There's just something so incredibly hilarious about Norman fucking Osborn being a more likeable Spider-person than the rest of the other non-Peters.
Are there any versions of the Green Goblin that are interested in "black magic" like the 1967 cartoon adaptation?It's a cool idea.
>>150376957Shit that's even fucking better. Breed the bitch non stop every.
>>150362413She also slept with Luke Cage.
>>150365040Gwen had a clone (or even more than one), plus Spider-Gwen, and some people even confuse her with Gwenpool.Friggin Aunt May was given the most honourable death and they brought her back.In Ultimate they didn't even give a frig, they just made it so she's alive again and kept her like that till the end, she sometimes just had nightmares that she's still Carnage.
>>150377290Ult Gwen was similar to the April clone that grew with the symbiote then Venom absorbed the symbiote part so she was basically Gwen again with some hints at still having latent abilities
So did Norman and Mysterio fuck or not?
>>150377306Mysterio cockblocked Gwen, yes. Spider-Gwen still has a chance to get some of that BGC tho, she just needs to dump the nu-Spider-man losers.
>>150365055This is still bizarre to me. It's not like there's still not constantly some stupid multiverse Spider story all the time, so the only reason to move her into 616 that makes sense (ending her solos and shuffling her into team shit) isn't much an excuse. At least Miles was not a pre-established character in 616 so him "merging" into it didn't cause any goofy problems like "Gwen Stacy very publicly died in this universe and now an equivalent and her dad just... exist too on the same timeline."Stupid comicbook shit.
>>150377339>This is still bizarre to me.synergy
>>150336981>>150337021Nobody is going to remember this 3 years from now. Nobody even remembers Slott's run.
>>150377343Syngery with WHAT? The only other thing she's in is multiverse focused movie shit. There's no Spider-Man story, and certainly not one that's of any real popularity, where Gwen is just living in the main Spider-Man universe. Where she's just the main Gwen of that setting.
>>150377388>The only other thing she's in is multiverse focused movie shit.and who is she paired up with?
It would be extremely funny if he "died" on the way back to his home planet
>>150377388With this, like Best Pal Norman on 616 before it.
>>150377392Yeah, Miles, in an explicitly multiverse story.>>150377431Figured it might be something like that, haven't paid attention to this one. Reflexively seems stupid, but presumably has an entirely different set up in that. Must have, really.
>>150377466The setup is the spider crawled away after biting Peter. And the spider is made out of Future Peter's blood so Gwen is some % Peter now.
>>150336981What happened to Norman's Gold Goblin suit and gadgets?
Please tell my old 47y old ass, that modern people don't think, that another dude puting a hand on your shoulder is somehow "being touched"?
>>150377584Reminder that you voted an African-American and nearly a pajeeta too into presidency IRL. The clock is ticking. The past increases, the future recedes. Possibilities decreasing, regrets mounting. Do you understand?[I UNDERSTAND][REMAIN IGNORANT]
>>150377676Anon I am not even on that continent and we hate the dude here. Because he informed us on 17th September (data Russia attacked us) that we are not going to get the base we were promised for going Iraq and Afganistan, and letting US have CIA prisons here . My understanding on western stuff is always going to be as good as your understanding of eastern europe or the balkans.
>>150337021HOW DOES NOBODY RECOGNIZE NORMAN'S VOICE?!?
>>150377725Nobody recognize anybody's voices when there is a mask.
>>150368489
>>150377584>>150377698Americans tend to have more "personal space" issues than other nationalities, that could be a factor.
>>150336981none since 100% of the IP's value comes from sources that aren't the comics, let alone this particular run.
>>150377698>an actual Polish>in a Spider-Man thread
>>150377676This moment was not nearly as egregious as One More Day.
This thread has not endeared me to Black Cat.
>>150379430
Everyone should go. Araña can stay.
>>150377103mid-to-late 90s norman does weird ritual shit
>>150381198Someone post him with the tattoos Peaks 90s
In the end, the only person enthusiastic about the current state of ASM is a single Polish child molester who doesn’t even speak English. I think it’s safe to say that if the only people the manchild editors can get behind them is an illiterate child rapist, then they’re fuckups who should be fired.
>>150381591Where did this meme come from. pic unrelated
>>150381591total miss fire, sorryI meant this >>150381804 for this >>150381774
>>150381864Oh, the Gwenschizo guy went on a long rant about how the OP of a Spider-Man thread molests children a while ago despite also being the OP of that thread, so he spent several hours somehow accusing himself of raping children. It was the only time he evinced even the slightest bit of shame and regret.Gwenschizo also happens to be Polish, and knows zero English. He uses google translate to communicate with English speakers.
>>150381774No. Obviously wrong. You embarrass yourself.>>150377528Most of it is in what he's wearing right now. The Gold Goblin stuff was made for Pete.>>150374424Refute that Spider-Man doesn't belong on Webtoon?I don't care about that at all. I think it's a bad fit and will fail, but it's their job to try to grow the audience so whatever. >>150370060That's... No, that's not what I said at allI was responding to someone who has conflated a thing Brevoort said one time into the dogmatic belief that Marvel thinks making people mad itself is what sells. Which doesn't make any fucking sense and it isn't what Brevoort said.>>150370258No one has sales figures anymore. We just have relative position. ASM's doing fine.>>150370395I have no connections at Marvel, I don't and have never worked there. I do sometimes play a game with myself where I imagine that other people are real and what motivations they might have if they were. Then when I try to explain this, I get accused of being an intern, or Lowe, or Slott, etc.
>The intern is back
>>150382326>Which doesn't make any fucking sense and it isn't what Brevoort said.To which that anon rightfully responded “they’re deliberately trying to make people mad anyways, so they’re either doing this because they think it’s helpful or because they’re deranged.”To which you responded that, yes, they are trying to make people mad on purpose, not for any gain but to vent their impotent frustrations at us. It doesn’t really make them look good.
>>150382342And this thread is just about over goodbye.
Watch carefully now.
>>150377306>So did Norman and Mysterio fuck or not?Yes they did fuck
>>150377103During the end of Slott’s run, he was trying to gain alternate sources of power since the cure to goblin serum was still in him. He had a vision of learning magic and mastering it, but since he’d just use it to kill Spider-Man he was kicked out and every place on earth that would teach him was warned not to
