Why haven't any cartoon critics reviewed it?
>>150396736They're too busy making half assed cartoons full of all the same problems they've criticized for the past decade LS MarkPan was never much of a critic, he just seemed to talk about things in a casual way, so I give his cartoon a pass on it being made out of passion than it being some cynical attention seeking move of desperation LS Mark
>>150396736They know Pan would get off on it
>>150396904>Pan starts livestreaming cum tributes to negative reviews
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>>150396736Most people don’t want to be seen as “punching down” on a fellow creator
>>150396736EXCUSE YOURSELF? What am I? used socks? What is /co/? /co/ for the past 4 threads just a week ago gave you the best reviews and comparisons to other shows you've never had in your entire life, Pan.
>>150396736Everytime a toon critic makes a cartoon, you know it’s gonna be dogshit
213k views so far Compare to Wastelandia 612k
>>150396736Everytime a Loki IRL thread pops up just hit Pan with these shows:Hero InsideZenshuDi-Gata DefendersMegaman Battle NetworkHuntikDigimonBen 10Son of ZornCool World
>>150396736No one fucking cares and no one likes Pan.
>>150397319This. When Genndy Tartakovsky makes Fixed, people can feel more comfortable giving him shit because at the end of the day he's still a legendary animator with successes that outweigh his failures. Pan neither has the status, the history, nor is he obnoxious enough for people to feel like they could give him serious critiques (at least non-anonymously). If the school basketball star really fucking blows a shot in gym class game it's easier to give them shit for it than if the handicapped kid does the same.
>>150396736>so Pan, these IRLs, can you fuck them?
>>150398180>Pan neither has the status, the historyIt's really sad to see someone like Pan never getting the recognition he deserves. The people around him were mentally ill, pedos, or genuinely awful people, yet he's always been a swell guy. He might as well be the face of the cartoon communities on YT due to his history, the obscure topics he covered, not to mention his passion, unlike a lot of talentless hacks
>>150396736Is 200k views in 9 days good or bad?
>>150398471Pre-Hazbin and pre-TADC, that would have been good. I'd argue it still is, however the bar has been moved so far at this point that a lot of people would say for a production that took this much effort, less than 1 million views in a week is disappointing. The pilot is doing respectable numbers, but it's not going anywhere near viral. If Pan's hope was that this would blow up and catch the attention of Adult Swim, I think he's going to unfortunately fall short of that goal.
>>150398444You talk like an even more hyperactive and immature Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg, Pan.Go review these shows to learn from them and shut the fuck up:Hero InsideZenshuDi-Gata DefendersMegaman Battle NetworkHuntikDigimonBen 10Son of ZornCool World>>150398471Bad cause the views will only slow down more and more after 1 month. Albeit he also didn't do any advertisement beforehand like a retard. So maybe if he's lucky he'll get an army of popular people to link to his pilot.He also didn't put any memorable songs in it for people to come back to and replay it for the song like other indie animations do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrM-eDxTas&list=RDZWrM-eDxTas&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0
>>150398657>>150398087Using Son of Zorn as an example of something good is hilarious, Pan could've animated a cartoon about literal shit and it still would've been better than that.
>>150396811>cartoon critics suck>uhhh except for this guy i like he's not even a real critic lolevery fuckin time
>>150398471it's not looking good, I haven't even seen people talking about it
>>150398444Pan is far too autistic and incapable of hiding his power level to have a larger audience. If he wanted to have broader appeal, he'd need to take speech therapy and do a real study on how actual humans talk and behave. I'm not trying to be mean, but some people are so autistic that they make everyone feel uncomfortable.
>>150398855I used to watch ALL of these guys and Pan is the only one who never seemed to come across like he somehow knew better than the people making these shows, I'm sorry that you do, Mark.
>>150398855> every fuckin timeWhere have you been? The vast majority of comments on the Loki IRL threads have not been holding back punches, and it's been pointed out plenty of times that Pan is yet another example of a youtube critic who can't put his money where his mouth is.
>>150398865He did that crossover with those Spilling the Milk fags but that's about it. And Saberspark fell off after those accusations, so this will not go far, imo.
>>150396736just look at itits not visually interesting in the slightestalso i fucking HATE the green faggots conjoined eye
>>150398471For him it's good, it's also doing very well on Newgrounds
>>150399975Sucks for Saberspark. He was one of the less autistic cartoon reviewers and despite what a lot of anons think of him, I genuinely enjoyed watching his vids. EmuEmi and KimPossible also seem to be facing no backlash whatsoever after essentially fabricating the accusation so Saber loses his audience and no lessons are learned. I guess the lesson of the story is that if you're a fat nerd and an attractive petite girl seems interested in fucking you...don't take the bait. She's going after you for a reason and it's probably because most better options can read the red flags spelling out "special kind of crazy".
>>150396736it looks like Ace from the Gangreen Gang is wanting to fuck Mandark's sister.
>>150398471Well he already has connections to the industry, the video reaching a million within a month would be a positive bonus
>>150399975>Saberspark fell off after those accusationsWhat accusations? I quickly grew out of his shitty content so I never checked what was up.
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>>150398869If he were truly smart, he'd only voice a small gag character in his own cartoon and leave the voice acting to people who don't speak like they have a degenerative brain disorder.
>>150402704agreed, but I think he mentioned that it was largely a budget issue. Pan didn't have a lot of cash to throw at this nor does he have the sort of clout to be able to get non-shit actors to throw themselves at working on it.
>>150402271Drama farming youtuber (who goes by the name ilovekimpossiblealot or KP for short) drops a "tell all" video where she shits on someone who did editing for Saber because she had a grudge against them for making some jokes at her expense, but during that video, she also alleged that someone who had allegedly been SA'ed by Saber on multiple occasions confided in her. The video was a shitshow of making jokes and memes and cutaway gags while talking about it. She was criticized for the tone deafness and has since deleted the video. The internet did what the internet does and people argued about whether or not it was true. Some brony faggot also inserted himself into the drama and tried to get Saber cancelled. He was btfo'd hard enough that at one point he was doing a live stream and threatening suicide while standing on a bridge. People found his location and called authorities. He's now still trying to drama farm like a little faggot. Saber eventually hit back and came with receipts in the form of text messages, emails, and other correspondences indicating that all liasons he had with the person in question were consensual. She apparently started telling a different story when it turned out that Saber called it quits. The kicker was that the two incidents happened 2 years apart at a convention so either she met with him in private and was SA'd, then agreed to meet up with him in private again and was SA'd a second time, or Saber was telling the truth. Since then more has come out about the alleged victim and she's apparently done this several times before with other people. Unfortunately the damage has been done and Saber lost subscribers and his reputation took a hit. The internet is still divided. KP tried to release more videos on her channel, but they've been downvoted to shit and comments are mostly about how awful she is. In the end, everyone loses.
>>150396736Because everyone has admitted it, the pilot is boring. The concept is chalkzone + pokemon and the characters aren't the most interesting.
>>150398471if it can't hit 500k by 4 days its cooked
>>150403225I love that people say this but then at the same time don’t shut the fuck up about the videos they claim are “failing”. I heard more about wastelandia in the past month than I did about other things that have amassed a million views in the same period. People here talk more about TikTok and YouTube shorts with 50k views than they do about fully produced tv shows on the world’s leading streaming platforms.
>>150398087i watched zenshu and it sucked ass
>>150396736Don't wanna hurt the pizzaman's feelings...
>>150403393But enough about Loki IRL.
>>150398471It's... not the best...
>>150396736The critiques are so glaring and self evident, it would be seen as punching down at one of their own
>>150403274That's because anons don't actually like animation, they just like to bitch about it. They also supposedly hate Twitter while making nothing but threads about something someone said on Twitter and proclaiming to never use the platform despite doing nothing but talk about it and screenshotting other peoples' posts. It's almost like /co/ is full of a bunch of fucking losers.
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>>150396736Honest critique would cause a shitstorm amongst Pan's pathetic circle of dick-riders. Even for an amateur, Pan's animation is really bad. The voice acting by Pan is likewise fucking awful, and the choice to have him voicing multiple characters in the same scene shows that he hasn't even thought about the basics of production and presentation. Some backgrounds and bumpers are nice, but that's about it. Everything else that's remotely good about the pilot was done by other people. Can't praise Pan for the music and you can't really praise the musicians because those tracks were all made for other shit and borrowed for this pilot.And all that leaves is the writing, the worldbuilding, the characters, and the fight choreography, and that last one is once again between Pan's dogshit work and the much better work of people who have actually cared enough to try to teach themselves to animate or gone to an art school to learn the basics.In other words, since a potential reviewer can't say anything nice, they're probably just not going to say anything at all.
>>150407214A reviewer has to be entertaining and/or informative.There's really nothing entertaining or to be informed about concerning Loki IRL.Its faults are pretty obvious already but not so extraordinary they are funny.
>>150407289There might be a mildly interesting narrative to spin about the long, long amount of time that Pan has been working on this as a webcomic type thing that never went anywhere and all the changes that he made to the characters and the concept. That's still not good, algorithm-friendly material for most reviewer though.
>>150407014I wouldn't say they don't like animation. Just that they grew out of the majority of animation because the demographics here were always oriented round Boy oriented Action Cartoons and then Lore Shows, both of which are in a slump right now and so there is nothing to discuss outside of indie pilots.Also Gap driven pure comedy cartoons are really mostly talked about by animation nerds for their various technical aspects because you can't discuss a joke that much.
>>150396736This was a shit show, the writing was all over the place and didn't know what the fuck it wanted to be. Pan Pizza literally treated his show exactly how he treated his cartoon reviews. Adult Swim gave him $200 and that is what the budget fetl like. Very shoe string.
>>150407107What the fuck is this?
He's a good guy but he's just an animation fan like any (normal) person on this board and not meant to be a creator, I would assume his carefulness to not step on any toes is having this happen where there's no feedback.I empathize with his love for the sharp 2000s style but it's just not working beyond a web series. I also don't think the artstyle is that great, the way he draws fingers... yeesh
>>150407289>but not so extraordinary they are funny.I don't know, the fact that he's been at it this long, failed multiple times, learned nothing from those failures and this is the best he could possibly do after all of that is funny. None of them are mean enough to point it out, but there's comedy to be had
>>150396736Lol I dunno
>>150398404>But most important... If you made then like... Fire dog like... Would it still be legal?
>>150402263He does not have industry connections.
>no 12 principles of animation as the power systemDropped.
>>150407389>the way he draws fingers... yeeshyeah, the weird reverse claws that curl down and then back up really bother me.
>>150408226the fact that anything this dickhead makes is getting more views that Loki IRL is proof that the world is filled with tasteless faggots. Loki has it's fair share of problems but my god, I'd rather watch Pan's pilot every day for the rest of my life than have to sit through Catching Up ever again.
>>150408240by "industry connections" I think anon meant that he is acquainted with a couple people who work in the industry.
>>150398869>but some people are so autistic that they make everyone feel uncomfortable.And the worst part is they want everyone to accommodate for their needs, but are never willing to do the same for other people. They also love to scream "Well I'm autistic!" whenever you try. Why yes, because being an asshole incapable of handling criticism is exclusive to autistic people!
>>150408552But the world doesn't play fair, unless you cheat the system or sacrifice something in exchange, as Mark is both a cuck and TERRIFIC reviewer who makes hour long videos where he watches entire series in a row and that leads up to not ideal conditions to review somethingThey make for background noise at least and I guess thats what LsMark's viewers want
>>150408798> I guess thats what LsMark's viewers wantexcept for that one young redheaded turbo-sperg who was on here awhile back who desperately wanted to shag LSMark.
>>150407107>laughing at peoples characters is forbiddenis that why chippedipple got so butthurt about kirk jokes
>>150408798>terrificHe has total braindead takes and lacks charisma of any sort. He does upload long videos though so that baits clicks.
Pan needs to stop negging fat girls by writing them into his work as the depressed girlfriend to his character who basically keeps calling her a loser but its supposed to be sweet, and so forth
>>150410609His wife needs to leak photos of her saggy flapjack tiddies.
>>150408552You're still trapped in the mindset that any of it matters. Mark can make a shitty cartoon that gets 100 million views and that cartoon will still be shitty. Someone else making or not making money off something, good or bad, that doesn't involve you doesn't truly matter. You don't have to watch either, ever. Free yourself from this autismal cycle of self-inflicted anger.
