>The Muppets, over 10 years ago:>"Hah! Continuing Toy Story past Toy Story 3 is a ridiculous, joke-worthy notion.">Disney and Pixar, now:>We are awaiting the sixth Toy Story movie, with more seemingly on the way.Jesus.
I'm convinced nobody is left at Disney that's capable of making good decisions. Not at Disney proper, not at Marvel, not at Lucasfilm, just retards all the way down, coasting on inertia from a century of actually-competent people, slowing burning through it and letting it collapse into ruin.
>>150401973>coasting on inertia from a century of actually-competent people, slowing burning through itThe fact that they've destroyed 70-80 years worth of good will in like 10ish years is actually kind of impressive. You've gotta work hard to do something like that that quickly.
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>muppets 70th anniversary>disney does FUCK ALL for it beyond like 2 youtube collabs and a breakfast cereal
>>150401973Bob Iger should have left Disney in 2016.>Star Wars had 2 Billion Dollar movies and TLJ was 1 year away>Zootopia becomes highest grossing original IP in the 2010s>Moana is well received and instantly becomes a Disney Princess>MCU at its peak, most movies make ~1 Billion on average.>Pixar still had original movies with only non Toy Story sequels being Cars, Monsters Inc (that is a prequel but it counts) and Finding Nemo>>150405379I would rather have Muppets gimmicks than slop Smurfs movies.
>>150405379>And why would Disney bother shilling the knock off they acquired when Mickey Mouse and his friends are natural homegrown properties and are more popular with humanity worldwide? Its good business to promote Mickey over Muppets.Why would Disney go out of their way to buy the Muppets at all then?If Disney honestly felt this way they'd just sell them off
>>150405300>when shit like Live Action Lilo and Stitch fails but it didn't.That's the bizarre thing - They keep making money but nobody on the planet likes them. Everyone I see online, everyone I talk to in person, AT BEST they say "Eh, it was okay." So I don't understand how they keep making money.
>>150405379>the Muppets have never been THAT great.>even when the Muppets are firing on all cylinders they still aren't THAT popular.I don't think you quite understand how absolutely goddamn everywhere the Muppets were in the 70s and 80s, and to a slightly lesser degree the early 90s. They were unbelievably popular - A phenomenon, even. They've been nominated for Oscars, Kermit has a friggin' star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (and also the Muppets have a separate, collective star, I think?), the death of Jim Henson was treated like the death of a president... They were in no way just "Some times they're funny, I guess."
>>150405488>>150405559Neither of these anons, but to add to this, I've heard stories that supposedly what Disney was really interested in was Sesame Street and apparently just figured they'd go ahead and buy out the entire Muppet library, but Jim didn't want Disney touching Sesame Street so he sold it to PBS/Children's Television Workshop. This apparently pissed Disney off severely, but they were too far along in negotiations to back out, so they ended up with the "The Muppet Show" Muppets, which wasn't even what they were after.
The fuck just happened to this thread??
>>150405748gonzo took out the trash
>>150405053Disney isn't even involved with the Monster Cereals, that's all the gutted Jim Henson Company. All Disney has been doing are those handful of YouTube videos and print on demand magnets at the parks.
>>150405488>>150405665When they were negotiating with Jim, yeah, Sesame Street was the goal. When they finally bought the Muppets in the early 2000s, it was kinda just Michael Eisner wanting closure on that biggest missed opportunity of his career and also to get full rights to Bear in the Big Blue House which was the main anchor of Disney Channel's preschool lineup. Sesame Street was a moot point around then since during the interim, the Henson family sold their share of the characters to CTW/Sesame Workshop.The real reason Disney did fuckall with the Muppets for a few years after buying them was because it happened just as Eisner was getting his ass out the door and Bob Iger never gave a fuck about the Muppets.
I like how this became a Muppet thread even though OP was more about Disney/Pixar's unwillingness to stop whoring Toy Story.
hey disneyguy that monitors this board and reports all the megas with disneyshit in themget your bosses to do muppet remakes of the star wars prequel trilogy
>the Interrogation Song but the detectives are Beaker and the Swedish Chef
>>150405537>They keep making money but nobody on the planet likes themThat's the thing though, for a good while they weren't. Stitch is literally the only profitable Live-Action movie Disney remake since 2019, which makes even less sense when it easily had the most vitriol I've ever seen against a Live-Action Disney remake.
>>150407346Huh. Who plays who?Obviously Miss Piggy is Princess Leia. But in that case, Kermit has to be Han, not Luke, because otherwise their inevitable romance would be the weird incest stuff rather than the high drama of ESB/ROTJ. So if Kermit's Han instead of Luke, which Muppet plays Luke?
>>150405053>sell to the rat>get bubonic plagueMany such cases!
>>150407920>which Muppet plays Luke?Walter. He's the ordinary young kid getting swept up into the wacky world of the Muppets/the Rebels vs. the Empire....Bunsen and Beaker as Threepio and Artoo respectively.
>>150407937Gonzo as Yoda.Fozzie as Chewbacca.Rolf as Obi-Wan.
>>150401925You're being too generous to Disney by assuming that it was a sincere joke about how absurd a Toy Story 4 would be. I'm pretty sure that they convinced the Muppets people to put that line in there as part of a subtle pressure campaign to get Pixar to agree to make it. Anyone who cared about the Toy Story movies as art knew that a Toy Story 4 would be absurd. They had the Muppets talk about it to normalize it.
>>150407920none of those characters are in the prequel trilogy
>>150408014While I get what you're saying and I don't think Disney is above something like that, I feel like that wasn't the case here. The Toy Story line comes right after "We're doing a sequel, how hard could it be / We can't do any worse than The Godfather III" which is very much a sincere joke that the Muppets would do.
>>150407948The intrusive thoughtsw are demanding me to suggest Mark Hamill play Yoda. Down ro the piggyback scene.
>>150408270I mean Hamill would do it also there needs to be a scene where he gargles Gershwin
>>150407948who’s vader? Sam the eagle?
hot take: Toy Story 4 was a good movie. Autists only care because “muh perfect ending”
>>150407920skeeter?
>>150405406Iger should never have ran the company to begin with. Every bad situation with the current company can be traced back to his shitty decisions. He just got lucky with 2 good buyouts.
>>150408318Toy Story 4 was very well made and a very serviceable sequel but was also completely unnecessary. And it was also a victim of the "separate the iconic duo" fad Disney was doing at the time.
>>150407948I can't help but feel like a Frank Oz character needs to be Yoda, for the meta joke.
>>150408313Gonzo was Vader in the Muppet Show episode, so there's that. I can see Sam as Grand Moff Tarkin.>"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?"
>>150408369>Vanellope and Ralph>Woody and Buzz>Anna and Elsa I guess? idk I didn't watch Frozen 2What other examples
>>150402849Do you? Sure there is this idea that the "gamer cave" exists even in other media but that's mostly because the average person is fine with mediocrity.The moment it starts going south people start reacting and when most people see people reacting negatively they follow suit.
>>150405053Hey, they also tore down its attraction!
>>150401925Diddy was in this song sequence
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE ENDBUT NO MY FRIENDSTHIS IS WHENWE GET TO DO IT ALL AGAIN!(DO IT ALL AGAIN)UNTIL THE CREDITS ROLLWE GOT ANOTHER GO TO SHOW THEMWE CAN DO IT ALL AGAIN!
>>150405053actually its even worse than that>lose all goodwill for the Muppets by tearing down a legacy attraction in the park, one that the original creator worked on before he died>extent of promotion for the new ride is basically retrofitting Muppets shit on top of an already existing coaster; also eliminates a sizeable portion of the audience since kids and certain adults would be unable to ride it>celebration of anniversary includes shitty wallpapers the intern made of random muppets no one has thought of in 20 years. I guess we shouldn't be surprised considering most of the promotion that Disney does for its own classic movies is release a celebratory pin or worse, adapt it into a live action movie that fails to understand the point of the original.
