I'm convinced that for a superhero setting to fully work it should be in its own different world from Earth.This would fix so many problems cape settings have. No need for a sliding timeline, no questions such as "why doesn't Superman fix the Israel-Palestine confllict", "why didn't the Avengers prevent 9/11" or "why did Wakanda do nothing during the slave trade".The world can permanently change and be truly affected by stuff like aliens and gods descending upon them since it doesn't have to reflect our own, and focus on its own fictional issues instead of having shit like mutants lecturing real world minorities on how much more oppressed they are.This has already done this to an extent by DC making its own fictional cities for its heroes and Marvel replacing Vietnam with Sin-Cong as the country of origins for characters like Iron Man and Punisher, but they're still set in our real world.The world could still be mundane like ours(at least until the first supes appear) but it should be made clear that its history, cultures, religions etc. are clearly fictional.
>>150420247>"why did Wakanda do nothing during the slave trade"What are you talking about?They're Africans, they'd be the ones selling the slaves to the Arabs
>>150420247On one hand i think, especially in universes with way less heroes that focus more on their own time, town, and world this stuff wouldnt matter.On the other hand i can see it, One Punch Man for example takes place in another universe, "Earth" isnt actually our earth and despite the Japanese names the characters are apparentally Mukokuseki or whatever it's called.
>>150420284Yeah good point but I've seen this question often
>>150420323I know, I'm only joking because I know black Americans would be asking why Wakanda didn't beat up the Confederacy and tear down all their statues
>>150420323>>150420331Wakandans are isolationists first and foremost in my opinion, they even have black enemies in Africa itself. The Black Panther media showed them historically warring with invading tribes and states. I guess the idea is/was with the modern day actually catching up to them technologically the Wakandans and T'challa in particular want to actually be part of the modern world, and be tangled in it's affairs to a slightly extended degree.At least, i think that's the main sentiment
>>150420247>"why doesn't Superman fix the Israel-Palestine confllict", "why didn't the Avengers prevent 9/11" or "why did Wakanda do nothing during the slave trade"Fate. Canon events. Fixed points in time.
I don't think there's enough of a difference between>This comic takes place on Earth, in our historyand>This comic takes place on "Earth", which takes a lot of inspiration from Earth, and its history takes a lot of inspiration from oursto really be bothered by itAs a reader I understand that the setting of the superhero comic requires things to be fundamentally different with its own logic for how the world progresses in and around the story, so I'm really only going to wonder why Superman doesn't figure out Israel/Palestine or why Wakana didn't get involved in the slave trade if that actually pertains to the storyI'd say it's on the audience more than anyone to learn to separate Earth-1 from our reality, recognise it for the shorthand that it is rather than a representation of the real dealSuperman being American tells you a lot without getting into potentially unnecessary detail, Superman being Osean (North Osean) requires extra reading and effort that could be better spent elsewhere, and ultimately just leads back to the same futile lore scrutinising anyway (why didn't Wakanda get involved in that version of the slave trade?)I'm all for alt-worlds, I love em to bits, but I don't see any reason at all for them to become the norm for superheroes
>>150420247It'd be simpler to just not mention real-world events at all.
>>150420378>I don't think there's enough of a difference between>>This comic takes place on Earth, in our history>and>>This comic takes place on "Earth", which takes a lot of inspiration from Earth, and its history takes a lot of inspiration from oursI think the most important distinction is that one only takes our Earth as a starting point and tells its own story from there, while the other makes an effort to keep in sync with real-world history even when it doesn't make sense. It's like how 9-11 happened in both the Marvel and DC main universes, even though there are literally dozens of heroes who could've stopped it. It only exists because writers don't want to have their fictional Earth be too different from our real Earth, even though logically the existence of superheroes would change it tremendously.
>>150420247I promise you're overthinking it.
>>150420384It was fine back when heroes were just having their own wacky adventures, but then at some point they decided they should also deal with complex real world issues.
>>150420247Wait a minute, aren't Ladybug and Cat Noir woke activists now in the latest seasons? Why aren't they fighting israel? Do we ever get a canon explanation? Also do they support the murder of Charlie Kirk?
>>150420396There are literally dozens of heroes who could solve world hunger or cancer or aging, or go back in time and solve basically every problem everAt a certain point you have to draw a line around your story and say "dude, trust me" about the rest of itUnless Dr. Doom is standing at ground zero of the Twin Towers, I am able and going to take the author's word that things played out the way they did, off screen, because a) I don't care when it's not relevant to the story and b) the writer trying to explain it would inevitably screw it up (as they did)>>150420405So it's a problem with the writers more than with the genreI can understand blaming writers for putting themselves into situations and stories where it's easy and fun to poke holes in their writing, but if the writers take pains to not do that then poking holes is just going to be frustrating for the people doing it and obnoxious to everyone elseAnd again, the more than likely outcome regardless is that people come up with more and more esoteric questions for writers that more than likely will eventually run out of satisfactory answers, the conclusion to "why? then why? then why?" being "please shut up", regardless of whether the setting is based in reality or fictionWorldbuilding is fun and good but it's still susceptible to overthinking, sometimes the most important question to ask is "is this [other stuff] necessary"
>>150420496>There are literally dozens of heroes who could solve world hunger or cancer or aging, or go back in time and solve basically every problem everYes, that's exactly my point. Thank you.
>>150420506So if Reed Richards was on Not!Earth, what prevents him from solving world hunger that couldn't be in some way the same thing preventing him from solving world hunger on "Earth"?
>>150420532Other countries refuse to let him distribute food/tech or even outright sabotage him, either because it doesn't fit in their interests or they're being manipulated by supervillains.
>>150420532Nothing. The entire point is that there is no need for an editorial-enforced status quo if you're not concerned with comic-Earth being just like irl-Earth in the first place. Not being on a world that needs to remain like our Earth at all times means you can actually make changes and move plots forward on a scale beyond the personal. It means that when you want to blow up a country, you don't have to retcon Madeupistan into the world map first. It means that when you have a character who can cure cancer and solve world hunger, you don't have to invent retarded reasons for why he isn't allowed to do that just because you're afraid that you might upset someone.
>>150420569I'm pretty sure a scenario like that could happen on either world
>>150420596Maybe but you can't really make Vladimir Putin a villain when he's a living dude that does stuff in our real world.
>>150420247>Mundi is just EarthWait, Elysium is just our world that diverged at some point (presumably via cosmic fuckery)? That kinda makes it less interesting. I thought the countries and cultures were just inspired by real ones rather than say, Oranje literally being the Netherlands.
>>150420683>Elysium is just our world that diverged at some pointIt's a fanmade map that just made it look like Earth because there's no official map of Mundi.It probably looks different in canon.
>>150420247>This would fix so many problems cape settings have. No need for a sliding timeline, no questions such as "why doesn't Superman fix the Israel-Palestine confllict", "why didn't the Avengers prevent 9/11" or "why did Wakanda do nothing during the slave trade".Or you could just make an alt history that resemble the real one
>>150420247>Why did Wakanda do nothing during the slave trade?I don't know why this is always brought up as some kind of unknown question, it's been answered again and again. Wakanda was, for most of its life, fully isolationist and didn't give a fuck about the outside world. They didn't care about random African tribes fighting random Europeans, and it's frankly a stupid idea that Wakanda is supposed to have some kind of generic unity with the entirety of the black race.
>>150420590I'm sorry, I entered the thread on the assumption the problem laid out in the OP was a problem with the genre and not with editorial, in which case yeah, the editors are stupidI would say that it's part of the more broader problem of serialisation where if you did invent an entirely new world, you'd need to put in a lot of work to explain it for newcomers over and over again, which is something you don't really have to do for Earth even if you do have to occasionally remind people that Latveria exists ("Mr. Fantastic is American? I know what that is. I guess I'll learn what Latveria is, if it comes up.")Which you can totally do, but that's easier to pull off in smaller series (Miracleman comes to mind, or the current version of Ultimate Marvel) compared to the endless stream of mainstream comic seriesThough I will say if the issue is with people getting pissy about logic issues, people will always bitch about something, no matter how much worldbuilding went into Disco Elysium, people still bitch about its politics regardless of how much more or less sense any of it makes in that world>>150420614Didn't that happen slightly in Doomsday Clock?
>>150420614Depends
>>150420247>revolutionary leader Kak Raslol, lmao evenDid he have a protege Nu Tak?
>>150420758>>150420779There is a difference between the leader of a country having a minor role in a story and them being the central antagonist.
>>150420247It's easier to use our own world and make changes permanent.
>>150420247Many comics try to do that, peoole ate just not interested in them.
>>150423074Name 10.
>>150420331Wakanda was super isolationist that didn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. That's literally why "Why didn't Wakanda stop the slave trade?" was the central motivation of Killmonger in the MCU Black Panther movie.
>>150420284>>150420331>>150420340>>150420756>>150424313This. It's just the usual question americans ask for some reason. You could use the same logic and ask why Asgard allowed the scandinavians/vikings to be subjugated and have their culture overtaken by the catholics.
>>150424368The difference is that white people genuinely don't give a shit about the injustices that their ancestors went through because they're so far removed from it.
>>150420247pretty funny brasil exists but portugal isn't considered one of the colonizer countries.
>>150423074>>150424157Waiting
>>150420405>It was fine back when heroes were just having their own wacky adventures, but then at some point they decided they should also deal with complex real world issues.And that was a huge misstep. They should never do that.>But Captain America punched Hitler!It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
>>150420284You act like the white people didn't do any slavery or blacks except for the blacks they got from black people they captured innocent people and took them off plenty on their own they only did it with they did Africans went out with easier.
Bump so I can read the thread later
>>150427285Same.
>>150420247The issue with that is how much even classic comics rely on pop-culture, which wouldn't make sense in an alien world.>>150420532Also stuff would get Trekky sci-fi pretty fast.
>>150420247so Strangereal but with spandex enthusiasts?
