Is it the themes, format, style, copyright?Manga made it.
>>150423049>foreword by brian michael bendis
>>150423049For the French at least, a lot of them made the presumption their work would be unpopular in the US and never made the effort. Even Moebius, who ended up being possibly the most successful French artist in the US for a while, was shocked that people in the US recognized him at all the first time he went to an American comics event.
Manga has a constant stream of exciting stories and lots of content to keep it relevant. Eurocomics have a far slower pace on average, both in pacing and in output. People mistake manga's success as any comics being able to become popular, but really it's more like Japanese storytelling and aesthetics are popular.
>>150423049The ones they bring over are too respectable. Manga has tbe benefit of 1. Accurate cartoon adaptations and 2. Being dumb as shit for the most part.
>>150423049>BendisThe kiss of death.
>>150423124A lot of the Euro directors got absolutely burned when they were given their chance for Hollywood and that's always sort of stuck with how Europeans perceive their chances with the American Market.People don't realize the America-Japan cultural exchange is something that dates to before WWII and basically picked right back up when the war ended. Like, if you think of a non-American director from the mid 20th century, or hell, a list of directors from the mid 20th century in general. There's a good chance Akira Kurosawa made the list in both cases.'Cool Japan' is basically just the Meiji Restoration
>>150423049>Manga made it.It's been a huge industry for more 50 years and aside from a few series like Dragon Ball, it finally became somewhat popular in the US only recently. Euro comics aren't that big even in Euro.
>>150423302The French comic industry is far more healthier than the American one.
>>150423353I didn't mean it isn't
Japan has tons of artsy comics too but even most 4 channers have never heard of most of them so that's no surprise
>>150423353Shame that France is on the brink of collapse.
>>150423069Why?
>>150423431>Shame that France is on the brink of collapse.What do you mean?
>>150423447He's a fan.Anyone can basically do foreword they don't need to be personally connected to the work to do one.
>>150423049They haven't really "failed"; they only make a fraction of the business because they represent a fraction of the available content. A "long" multi-volume series like Tintin had 22 core volumes; at 48 pages or so each, that's around as many pages as a single year of the average shonen series' run.And yes, there's no established parallel animation industry to create synergy and boost sales either. Both factors are also the reason American comic-books can't compete with manga either, as the adaptations are usually much more expensive to produce and rarely direct adaptations, not matter-of-course for even moderately popular works as it's the case in Japan.
>>150423431This isn't remotely true. Stop believing memes.
>>150423431European politics in general is an absolute clusterfuck. Burger politics might be retarded but at least there's a good chance that a non-establishment populist can hijack things. The parliamentary coalition system pretty much guarantees that the same centrist bureaucrats will stay in power regardless of the will of the people since they can effectively block out any party they feel would threaten their stranglehold. Bonglanders in particular have it the worst.
>>1504230491. BD have more in common with European cinema and literature, both in style and storytelling. They can be too slow and complicated for Americans.2. American comic book readers are one of the most limited and culturally unsophisticated groups in this country. They don't even know their own literature, reading almost exclusively comics and watching blockbusters.Moreover, they are very reluctant to explore anything beyond their familiarity. This doesn't just mean other countries, but any variety of topics.3. American comic book language is primitive and abbreviated. There's no other country where it's like this. Even similar British comics have a much better visual language.4. Comics come in various formats, and Americans are accustomed to notebooks. BDs are published as large albums, Italian comics as booklets, and so on. It's a miracle that, after years of Americanization, changing formats, and changing reading styles, manga has get into US.5. Americans don't understand the world outside the US. They reject anything that isn't American. The only way to convince them is to Americanize it.6. Americans, regardless of political affiliation, are mentally puritanical. They want to be good and pure. This leads to extreme thinking. Furthermore, their literalism makes it difficult for them to grasp nuance. European commissions, especially the French ones, are too nihilistic, perverse, and sexy for Americans.7. Speaking of sex and differences, for Americans, BD is too sexual (for Americans, there's no difference between nudity, sex, and pornography; it's all "porn"). Furthermore, the subtle eroticism of BD is simply incomprehensible to Americans, for whom something is either porn or asexual.
>>150423431Living in France must be an absolute nightmare right now
>>150423124Jean Giraud (aka Moebius) is probably the most influential artist ever.
>>150423416This.It's like someone telling you that they're super in to comic books, but the most "niche" thing they've read is Spawn.
>>150423447The French govt took out an IMF loan to pay for pensions, so they're kinda screwed.
It's still wild to me that Lucky Luke never took off in the states. He's a fucking cowboy having cowboy adventures.
>>150423514Oh, not really; world news provide constant reminders of how much worse it could be. Like how totally, unequivocally, and in a absolutely-your-own-fault sort of way worse, which I imagine is worst of all.
>>150423576Funnily enough I remember seeing a semi with a Lucky Luke sticker on its side not that long ago
>>150423353>far more healthier
>>150423049Too slow.
>>150423686I should have proofread but it is definitely more healthy than the capeshit market at the bare minimum.
>>150423049Nordic comics have a certain high powered autism to them that makes them hard to sell to others than the other nordic countries. This stems from the area being fucking dark half the year and generally fucking empty. Mainstream successes are basically Silent Sam and Moomin.
>>150423353and manga still mogs the local stuff's sales
>>150423049Most exciting (French) Euro comic>a period drama set in 1622 Bohemia>the main character is Luc Gascoine, a humble gardener working for a cruel master>Luc falls in love with his master's daughter and the two have sex>Luc is then executed in the nightMost boring manga>Yoshinori Matsumoto was set to inherit his father's estate>but he discovers his mother was a demon and his father was a demon hunter>now Yoshinori has to balance his college life with his dual legacy as he forges a truce between two warring factionsI wonder why Eurocomics aren't popular.
>>150423732What is the most popular nordic comic for afult readers?
>>150423872That first one sounds a hell of a lot better than the second, historical drama tends to be better than shonenslop by a huge margin. I'm so fucking tired of stories about school kids having to balance their secret magical lives and school work, it's played out as shit.
>>150423049>Manga made it.Akira switching to 90s digital colourization for the last couple books should've got somebody shot in the head.The French market kind of lacks structure in terms of content control. Like you know what capeshit will be and all manga have editorial content guidelines keeping everything on the straight and narrow, but you really don't know what you'll get picking up a BD. A single artists can have swashbuckling, postapoc truckers, a Wild West thriller and a series about incestuous BDSM vampires in his portfolio so for US publishers, it's kinda hard picking something that would fit their existing line and their reader's sensibilities.It's even harder to squeeze them into their schedule, as the standard monthly publication style for comic magazines in France is three to five pages, with an album being released annually. That's so little material that US consumers are likely to lose track of your publications.
>>150423049The Manga that sells in the states is mostly battle shonen and isekai which is just freer less restricted capeshit with a straightforward storyline or more violent less woke YA. The manga and anime that are popular in sat Italy are very different than the ones popular in the US.
>>150423872>Most exciting (French) Euro comicA comic like this requires historical knowledge and maturity. That's one thing. And two, there are also some with guns blazing. And they're much better than anything America produces, because they have a better visual language.>Most boring mangaManga is more than just shonen. The Japanese are an intelligent society that specializes in intelligent art. Shonen is crap for children and social rejects.And that's why they're mostly read in the US. They're a perfect fit.
>>150423978>A comic like this requires historical knowledge and maturity.It also requires less imagination from the authors.
>>150423872I've yet to read any manga as novel as the Transporter's setting where a virus has destroyed the world's supply of iron including the iron in your blood which led to everything forming freaky mutations.
>>150423049They're just not that good, especially on average.
>>150423965>Akira switching to 90s digital colourization for the last couple books should've got somebody shot in the head.The whole book was colored digitally in the US when it was released.One of the earliest examples of digital coloring, and it started in the 80's. Otomo did approve it at least
>>150424064You're saying the dime a dozen shonenslop "school kid has secret powers!" crap has imagination?
>>150423872Exactly euro comics are for high brow cultured people who read and not toe sucking plebians
>>150423431Ok, Ivan.
>>150424064Slow action doesn't mean a lack of imagination. They're two completely different things. That's why action-packed, cliché-driven superhero comics are the most unimaginative things there are.
>>150424094More than a Eurocomic who has to set it in a 100% authentic historical period for the billionth time where no event can be too weird for the sake of emotional effect, or else it's too unrealistic.
>>150424170He means that plucking events and characters from real history is not very creative, and he's right. Also, you alienate history fans by doing less interesting reinterpretations of events they have already read.
>>150424185Historical fiction is a genre, "school kid with magic powers" is a hackneyed incestuous premise.
>>150424222Historical fiction is to Europe what capeshit is to North America.
>comic is literally named "The Incel" I wonder why
>>150423872>Most exciting (French) Euro comicThe Seven Lives of the Falcon/The Red Mask starts in 1601 and ended around the lat 1640s, I think. It's a wild ride across multiple generations of a french Zorro family.
>>150424230Nah, you can do a fuck ton with various historical settings spanning across all of human history covering all strata of life. Capeshit itself is pretty limiting as a setting thanks to its very specific genre conventions.
>>150424222I was incorrect, I should say that historical fiction is a SUB-genre since it can basically have any sort of story you might want.
>>150424280>you can do a fuck ton with various historical settings spanning across all of human historyOnly if you deviate from reality to tell a more exciting story. At that point just make it an original world.>Capeshit itself is pretty limiting as a setting thanks to its very specific genre conventions.Capeshit has been reinventing itself and blending genres since the 30s. Much more so than Gascoine's Short Lived Adventure Porking His Master's Daughter.
>>150424198The past is always in the realm of the imagination. And no event has meaning in itself; its interpretation is what counts, and that's what art is called to do. So there's a ton of creativity here.
>>150424230>Historical fiction is to Europe what capeshit is to North America.Brainlet take. Adventure comics for children are the closest equivalent. Some of those are historically themed (Pirates, Romans, Egyptians, arthurian fiction, Cowboys, Gauls ect), but they are a genre distinct from actual historic fiction.
>>150423872so... because they don't cater to children?
>>150424342>Only if you deviate from reality to tell a more exciting story.People do this all the time, I don't think you read much historical fiction. Historical fiction doesn't mean you have to write a 100% accurate biography of specific events, as long as it feels authentic to that era you can call it historical fiction.>Capeshit has been reinventing itself and blending genres since the 30s. Much more so than Gascoine's Short Lived Adventure Porking His Master's Daughter.Gascoine's Short Lived Adventure Porking His Master's Daughter is not a genre, it's a single story so your comparison is immediately disingenuous. You can pretty much tell any story you want with a historical backdrop, the only limit is your imagination. Hell, there's even a ton of alt/secret-history books if that's your jam. A few months ago I just finished a neat little book called the Sentinels about alt-history WW1 super soldiers.
>>150424342>At that point just make it an original world.It's not like you have to stick to a theme,´. Just as there's Marvel 1602, there's Mitton, who uses the historic background as a framing device for his rape porn comics.
>>150424460>>150424342Then there's Adele Blanc-Sec, which was about monster hunting and dodging dodgy satanist cults in Fin de siècle Paris.
>>150424342And there's also Les Compagnons du crépuscule, which one would assume is an autistically researched comic about Hundred Year's War fashion, but the crew gets high on shrooms and a buncha cannibal elves and a reincarnated witch rope them into pissing into the milk bowl of the universal concepts that are trying to un-make the universe.
>>150424094Just because you say dime a dozen doesn't make it so. But to answer your question, yes.
All american comic creators looks like manchildren.All French comics creators looks like writters from 70s.
>>150424460>Historical fiction doesn't mean you have to write a 100% accurate biography of specific eventsAnd said stories usually end up criticized for it.
>>150423431Good riddance
>>150424677>All French comics creators looks like writters from 70sAlcoholic chain smokers?
>>150424713Such as?
>>150424667It is true to the point it might as well be its own particular sub-genre
>>150423447I’m sure there’s some cool young black character in the story he’s mining for inspiration.
>>150423049They're poorly marketed and, as with American comics, the people who like them are more interested in being hostile and condescending to the people who don't than they are in sharing their favorites and spreading the word.
>>150424748random recent example would be that Napoleon movie.
>>150424804That was just a straight up biopic, not really historical fiction.
>>150424804That one was just oldmen hiring some oldmen to make a movie about british Napoleon memes and about how they're feeling really old these days.Even Napoleon Dynamite and Bill&Ted's Adventure had it beat on historic accuracy.
>>150423486This is an extremely good point.The direct adaptation thing also does something that western comics don't: it creates readers.Someone who would never otherwise thing of picking up a book will get into manga just so they can see what happens next in the story of whatever anime they're watching instead of waiting for the next season. My kid went from never reading to having shelves full of books as a result of this.
>>150423878Fuck if I knew. I hit the local comic shop up and pic related was the best seller. But it's not an original story by the comic author's head.Comic shops are often run by ameriboos who are frustrated by manga sales so everyhing else on the top list was a cape or other, with some luxurious Tintin or Spirou hardcovers.
>>150425103Years ago, some dude scanlated that fantasy series about the dungeon spelunkers. I think it was from Finland.All I know about Sweden's comics is Jan Stenmark and the guy who makes depressing comics featuring abstract anthro people.
>>150425166Half the comics are like that, the other are various forms of toilet or boomer humor. The one serious endeavour is the extensive license production of The Phantom adventures https://www.phantomwiki.org/index.php/Team_Fantomen_stories and a bunch of those were drawn by yet another finn. I suppose they have the asian jeans.Then you can leaf through Oskar Andersson's collected works here https://runeberg.org/oamannen/
>>150424740Philosophical and intelligent alcoholic chain smokers.Real artists.
>>150425329The Phantom had a wild career.
>>150423049Due to even weaker distribution than American floppies in all honesty lol. >>150423069Also I can’t deny it, I refuse to buy things with forwards or cover quotes from writers like bendis, fraction, Kelly sue, etc. Fuck I always wanted the original barbarella comics and yet when they finally brought them over KSD was the translator and literally rewrote the dialogue and captions to make barbarella as a completely different character. Why would I buy that?
>>150423193>A lot of the Euro directors got absolutely burned when they were given their chance for Hollywood>t. Salty Jodorowsky fan seething on his behalf
>>150424761It's not even a real sub-genre.
>>150423500BBC coverage isnt “memes”. The phrase they literally used was it “collapsed”. On their broadcasts and in print. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqgnzw759t
>>150424828Bruhh...
>>150423049american contracts offers are usually a scam (like they pay you maybe 20K dollars to get total IP control over all the USA no matter how much it sales)Manga countered this by opening their own branches in the US, but Eurocomics just don't care enough.
>>150425433>artist realizes that a business operates like a business instead of like his commune of weirdo eccentrics>proceeds to go insaneHappens every time like clockwork.
>>150423431Political collapse would improve France tenfold.
>>150425505>like they pay you maybe 20K dollars to get total IP control over all the USAA bit of an exaggeration, bordering on flat out false. Most are simply leasing the rights to translate the individual project, and might offer more for a first-look on subsequent ones. Merchandising usually ties into multi-media adaptation rights which would net you much more than 20K. But then you’re making a deal with a movie studio not a publisher.
>>150425505>american contracts offers are usually a scam (like they pay you maybe 20K dollars to get total IP control over all the USA no matter how much it sales)Only if you're naive enough to go to one of the big two, despite the stories how they fucked over artists and writers.Small indie publishers are more open to letting you keep the rights to your work. The trade off is that you'll reach a smaller audience. But I'll be damned if the indie scene doesn't have a better selection. AWA, Mad Cave, Zenescope, Dark Horse etc.
>>150423049it is because of piracy, piracy made manga more popular.
>>150424988NTA but actual books or just comics/manga?
>>150425601Th big 2 dont handle any translations so it’s a moot point. They barely do anything outside of their IP stable even domestically. Side note, none of those companies you named are “indie”.
>>150425735>indie>independent>not dependent on Marvel or DC
>>150425735Marvel released a buncha Soleil books once upon a time, never mind Akira.
>>150425653Manga (most) is more digestable for readers.
>>150423069At least it's not Neil Gaiman
>>150424988The egotistical fucks like Tim sheridan (who rewrote the long Halloween) consider it uncreative to actually do a proper 1:1 adaptation
>>150425458Historical fiction usually follows invented characters with a backdrop of real life historical events, biopics are dramatized stories of real life figures.
I tried to read The Incal, but it was boring as fuck so I dropped it. Kind of hard to explain, but it just seemed to be a series of events. A chase story without any characterization or story.After I saw that doc on Jodorowsky's failed attempt to make a Dune movie, I understood that he's not a storyteller. He's just a hack who shields himself behind surrealism to hide his lack of talent.
>>150426346Yeah, Incal is carried hard by the art same with the Metabarons. I never particularly liked Jodorowsky either, it could be a matter of translation but I always hated his penchant for thing like adding prefixes to words to try and make them sound more scifi.
>>150425166Can't forget about Tom. He made comics, after all.
>>150425601Did any more issues come out this series recently?
>>150423431Any day now
>>150423431Kek well deserved for making shit games
>>150423049Euro comics are too mature and too lenghty. Manga won because it is very inmature, over the top and easy to read with enough “Le Epic“ moments.
>>150423069>Manga made it.Degrees of seperation. Teenagers primarily want to rebel against their parental culture, this is a natural process to push maturing people towards their peers for relationships. Manga/anime has a much larger degree of seperation, much less cultural baggage than American comics or even European comics. For most people European comics are Tintin (YA/kids books). For a secondary group of people European comics are just Metal Hurlant (sexy coomer art or edgy sci-fi).I think it is worth nothing that the process of anime/manga coming to the US in the 80s/90s was initially, the best stuff coming over completely antithetical to the house styles of the big two (Many artists in the big two took lessons from this in their own work. At the same time a lot of artists also took big lessons from European artists in their own work too, I can see someone like Frank Miller taking influences from manga as well as Euro comics.) In the 90s this is also important: as the comics bubble was rising and crashing, over 50% of the comic shops closed down and comics were destroyed as an American pastime. While this was happening the best manga and best anime were being imported. Then in the 00s the book market began rising and manga, in tankobon format, sat better in this market than how comics were distributed via Diamond, although Diamond was a necessary monopoly post crash. Essentially it is a triple punch of:>Comics crash.>Best Japanese stuff imported.>Rise of the book market. As well as all the variables and factors of:>Anime being a good pipeline into manga.>Being seperated from cultural baggage.The thing about comics in general is they are held back by perceptions and create these barriers and things like manga simply have less perceived barriers than other things. Where to start, consistency of format, different genres etc. Here is a nice video of Myazaki talking to Moebius:https://youtu.be/2L0YgdIpXas
>>150427183Whoops meant to reply to OP
>>150425588No, Americans companies always demand full control on their local areas, you give them you pages and they can make toys and cartoons and are the only ones to profit from it. the law is naturally biased against foreigner too so any attempts to go at court is legally bound to fail, it's not even a matter of money
>>150423049European comics are made for adults, manga is made for teenagers. And teenagers are a bigger market for comics.
>>150426346>everyone who doesn't bother pandering to my ADHD with constant flashy moments is a hack
>>150423049Because they barely translate their stuff and advertise it. How are people going to buy shit if they don't know it exists or can't read it? Even among the average comic buyer, a lot of comics sell like crap because most of them don't know it exists or much about it.
>>150427614>everyone who doesn't bother pandering to my ADHD with constant flashy moments is a hackYeah, ADHD and the lack of "constant flashy moments" is why someone might think Jodorowsky is a hack. You cracked the case.
>>150427614Jodorowsky can't write for shit and if his books were drawn by lesser artists you'd immediately see how crap he is.
>>150427614NTA, but Incal's protagonist is very passive, trying to survive the ride instead of understand and guide it.
>>150428520Different anon, but much as I dislike Jodorowsky as a writer, the protag being a passive, shiftless dweeb who gets batted from one situation to another is obviously intentional. The real problem with The Incal is the execution. Jodorowsky has all these interesting ideas but does almost nothing with them. Like his hero, he muddles through the story, with half an idea of what he wants to do (mystic's journey, starting with the initiate or Fool) and where he wants to go (back to start of the journey, because there'll always be another Fool), but no concrete notion of how to get there. So he just fills in the blanks with almost anything that comes into his head and takes lazy, nonsensical narrative shortcuts whenever he hits a snag, and he keeps doing that until he gets to the end of the book, which is why it feels so flabby and aimless.
>>150428670Agreed. Incal series doesn't live up to the promise of the initial book.
>>150427402I just explained why that isnt remotely true. You’re conflating movie deals with publishing deals. Movie deals are more apt to come with merchandising tacked in but not publishing. That has never happened. >the law is naturally biased against foreignerNow I know you’re just some foreigner who also happens to be autistic. Contract law is “biased” against people who don’t read the contracts. Whether theyre foreign or citizens.
>>150428520And that's a bad thing because...?
the same reason normal comics have failed so hard in the USit's significantly harder to buy them unless you know where to lookwhen I can just walk into walmart or target and buy 3 completely separate genres of manga, but can't find a single comic book, you know which one's pushing to be bought by as many people as possible
Euro comics are very suited to the book market but outside of Tintin they have very little cultural penetration even though they have been very influential to artists and fans. Ultimately manga just has better and more simple presence.
Price is a big factor too. Heavy Metal was selling 500,000 copies per issue in the late 1970s but it was relatively cheap(1.25) . Catalan Communication tried selling European albums but the were 10.99 a pop. That's 49-50 pages. Kids/teens obviously can't afford those prices. Manga volumes are 200-300 pages for about the same price. No contest.
>>150430254In the late 80s and into the 90s there were Moebius comics reprinted in English under a line called Epic Graphic Nove (which I believe was Marvel). 64 pages $9.95. The average comic price was under $2. So you'd be paying the price of several comics for one book.
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>>150423069FPBP right off the bat this shit alone ensures Euro comics still get mogged by manga.
Has anybody edited Moebius's paintings to only read "Moe" as his signature and then hide a Moe Syzlak in them?
>>150431389>>150431383Yeah, stuff like that was sold as a prestige format, the price was an issue.
>>150431436go outside, dude
>>150429715This excuse again...
>>150423049The anon.On-topic, I'd say the way of storytelling, mostly dialogue, light on action, fihht scenes and gore. Aka civilized. Americans hate that.
>>150423049Manga is popular because of anime
>>150423049The big problem of eurocomics (and, by extention, their animations) is the story, the writing. There seems to be an untold rule to never create a wacky story. They are very safe in their execution. Only the art is carrying it.Also, there is too little serialised series that are written and drawn by one artist. Most of them are writer-artist couples.
There's no scanlation culture for Euro comics, and that's a big part of what made manga popular.Manga spreads from magazines in Japan to scanlation releases globally, which allows English publishers to gauge which ones are popular and make decisions regarding which ones to publish physically.This is also part of why manhwa sales started taking off (and have recently cooled now that companies like Naver have been going after scanlation groups and sites hosting manhwa).Since no one online really cares to translate and release Eurocomics, it falls to the publishers themselves, and if you choose to translate and publish something that ends up flopping, that will just screw you over.
>>150433330>There seems to be an untold rule to never create a wacky storyThat's just flat out wrong. Not to mention the Triplets of Belleville and A Town Called Panic
>>150423049>more people watch television than read>collecting comics costs more than a free tv show>anime is more successful than cartoons>people who want more of the anime will read the manga>adaptations of European cartoons are few and far>no cartoons = no advertisement
Idk
>>150431383Worth it.
>>150433330I'm trying to make sense of it, but I find that I don't understand your problem. There are plenty of odd set-ups, there are highly experimental works.>>150434265>There's no scanlation culture for Euro comicsYa all don't read and recomend comics, even after we've scanlated them. Unless there's nudes of little girls in them.
>>150433330>The big problem of eurocomics (and, by extention, their animations) is the story, the writing. There seems to be an untold rule to never create a wacky story.I dunno man, the government having faked Van Gogh's demise so that they can use him as a hardcore secret war painter in the trenches of WW1 sounds whack enough to me.Then there was that fantasy series in which a scatterbrain fantasy Darwin finds a ship full of Jewish Pig Orcs being held in bondage and everybody gets shanghai'd into attacking gothic dieselpunk leather horror Egypt to liberate the rest of the pig orc Jews.Or the one where Rastafari Railway Pirates battle KKK Battle Trains.There also is that italian short series about a firefighter whose dad one day tells him that his family's superpower is that shit will hit the fan wherever their first male descendant is.So he spends the rest of the series trying to save people from aircraft crashes, meteor showers and giant Kraken attacks, all of which happen on account of his simple presence on site. Eventually, he has to fight a global insurance company that plans to use his powers for evil.Or the other series, where the guy who runs the global org that systematically kills people for the Riders of the Apocalypse finds out that his job is going to get axed because they want to personally get their hands dirty again.
>>150436583>Ya all don't read and recomend comicsNot really true, but that's not really what I'm talking about.There aren't tons of comic sites people can go to to read whatever comic they're interested in that they might have heard about, meanwhile, even with mangadex and comick getting nuked, there are still dozens of manga sites people can go to read manga. A scanlation culture doesn't just refer to the scanlation groups *existing*, it also refers to the places that those groups use to distribute their translations, and Eurocomics are horribly lacking in that regard.
>>150436810Those sound interesting, got the names? Are they in English?
>>150436878>and Eurocomics are horribly lacking in that regard.I mean yes, the companies could actually effectively sue our asses. The fuck would we risk that when we're already putting in free work for ya all? By the letter of the law, what we're doing is still theft.>>150436888John Doe (currently not translated)David Murphy 911RailsThe PotamokThe Wondrous Adventures of Vincent Van Gogh.https://www.mediafire.com/?b4mhrfnyc6k6r
>>150437080Thanks, I'll have to check them out.
>>150437121https://www.mediafire.com/folder/8o9fev8qu6bue/BD#myfileshttps://www.mediafire.com/?8vc0eywtcqx7i#8vc0eywtcqx7iApparently we aren't shilling enough.
>>150437080>I mean yes, the companies could actually effectively sue our asses.That's something I've also noticed, Eurocomics (and American comics for the most part) have far less international appeal, so you won't see something like people hosting entire sites in countries like the Philippines or Russia to avoid the copyright glowies like you will with manga sites.
>>150437632Funny enough, the big place for comic piracy in the2000s was an Indonesian forum.
>>150437664kaskus?
>>150424235Lol I knew you wouldn't let me down, /co/.
>>150423049I don't know. The best comics I've read from the past few years are all European.
>>150433330I'm NOT quite sure what your definition of "wacky" is but here is a list of pretty wacky European comics, some very manga like:The Gypsy series.Clarke et Kubrick by Alphonso FOnt Killer Condom by Ralf König(it's about a condom that eats men's you-know-whats)Joann Sfar - The Rabbi's Cat (a cat that suddenly begins to talk and argues with the rabbi about God)The French have 2 magazines dedicated to humor: Echo de Savanes and Fluide Liquide. ]It's obvious you know VERY LITTLE NEXT TO NOTHING about European comics
>>150433330>There seems to be an untold rule to never create a wacky story.I grew up on bédé - one of the advantages of living in Québec. To my mind, the story writing is where Euro's shine. Most American and Japanese comics are just "setup, big fight, omg emotions" on endless repeat. Obviously there are exceptions (Bone, Love and Rockets come to mind) but that covers it all.Euros have stories about people doing human things : Summer at the cottage and that one girl you fell for (Une soeur - Bastien Vivès, the background dialogs are God Tier)The hijinks of a single mom and her daughter (Lou - Julien Neel, first 3 books are God Tier)Young girl and her relationship with health (Ernest et Rébecca - Guillaume Bianco)
>>150433330and you seems to have never heard of Gotlib or Mandryka. or Claire Bretécher. Shame. Real Shame.
>>150433330Also, John Relom. A series about a family that lives in the woods with monsters and the mother keeps on losing parts of her body. SHe is just a talking head at the end and the father has to find a body for her.
>>150423049That poor deer girl...
>>150423069Yikes
>>150423124Moebius estate should probably make it cheaper to reprint his most well known work. No one American publisher wants to spend the money on printing his stuff
>>150441796THAT's the problem, you hit it right on the head. "moebius' estate" is simply his 2nd wife Isabella and I think she just wants too much money that American companies arent willing to pay. Dark Horse has been doing the "MOebius libary" for years now but they are publishing bits and ends instead of doing new editions of Airtight Garage or hos 70s stuff. Humanoids has 4 books in French reprinting all the old classic stuff but for some reason Isabella cant or won't work with American publishers.
It sucks they aren’t translating Donjon anymore.That has a wide ranging plot with action, comedy and pathos aplenty.
>>150441852Pretty much this. This is why we can't get English translations of Blueberry etc.
>>150442042ALL of Blueberry has been scanlated already and is available digitally.
>>150442095Where would I find this
>>150423049US only gives money to capeshit and capeshit accessories.
>>150443065You MUST be kidding, right? It's been available for years.
>>150444673WHERE
