I know I'm late to the party but>first two seasons were decent>third season felt like meaningless filler >fourth season was an improvement but had a shitty endingIs Nocturne any better or does in get even worse?
BumpI wanna know too, the first one ended so badly I'm nervous about setting myself up for pain with Nocturne.
The only castlevania I have ever seen is SotN that is all I ever need.
They cracked all the pozzed shit up to 11 in Nocturne to the point of parody.
Nocturne has way more action, to the point that there's not really an equivalent to S2 trapping the heroes in a library for half the season, or S3 having Trevor only use the whip in one scene before the season finale. It also cuts back severely on the vampire politics. There's no equivalent to the "Hector spends two seasons making the same mistakes again and again" stuff.But as an adaptation it still hasn't justified benching Dracula, and doesn't really do much with Rondo of Blood. Actually, it might have taken more from Bloodlines than Rondo itself. Personally I wish they'd done a Curse of Darkness show instead.
They went "We don't need Warren Ellis!" and gave us a show that felt like a bad attempt at writing like Warren Ellis.It was shit.Never trust a show that caves to angry not-big-enough-to-be-called-a-mob justice.
>>150432145Seasons 3 and 4 were shit. Castlevania 3 was already wrapped up nicely at the end of season 2, and they should have ditched following Trevor and Sypha's storylines entirely and went on to a more concentrated Curse of Darkness story. Also, after season 2 they should have replaced Ellis with people that actually like the stories and connected timelines of the Castlevania series.
>>150432145Nocturne is simpler, with less vampire politics and pseudo philosophy. The action is better in my opinion, but to get to the best fights, you have to sit through both seasons. The story and characters are all just pretty meh, not bad, not good. That's pretty much the show as a whole, meh.
>>150432145Better in some ways but worse in others. S2 was an improvement overall but the cast and dialogue are still quite poor. Fights are pretty good though
>>150432145>Is Nocturne any better or does in get even worse?It's just more of the same, though I think it has stronger art direction. It arguably moves even further away from the games than the first series, but I'm not sure that really matters.I wouldn't call it good, but I wouldn't call any of it good.
Literally ritual sacrafice of an IP that wasn't making enough money anymore.
>>150433547this, the only people less interested in Castlevania than the writers are Konami
>>150432145Really enjoyed S1-2. It fell apart after that completely, just a bunch of meaningless scenes stitched together. Not even hot vampire chicks could save this awful mess.>NocturneThe art style is so fucking gay. I don't think I'll be able watch it just for that, their faces are disgusting.
>>150432485The pendulum is finally swinging back, Trump is getting rid of woke shit and he managed to get Jimmy Kimmel canceled we just have to make sure he goes after superheroes and Vidya next
>>150433639There's not a lot to Castlevania to really be interested in, writing-wise. It should've been a moody Tartakovsky-level action fest.
>>150432145I don’t care if it is good or bad, I’m not watching weebshit. If you wanna watch anime watch fucking anime rather than a shit attempt at apeing it.
>>150433688Castlevania has fantastic set pieces, character ideas and story outlines, that if anything should make it easier for writers to find a starting point.
>>150433703>Castlevania has fantastic set pieces, character ideas and story outlinesSort of, insofar as it's lifted from Universal/Hammer movies and things like Indiana Jones. The story outlines are nothing special, though. Most of the games and characters are entirely interchangeable -- you could pretend Super Castlevania IV doesn't use the same outline as the original game and it wouldn't matter either way. There's nothing there. Even the settings oddly do not matter despite the extensive chronology; the most you get is Bloodlines giving skeletons helmets.Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness are genuinely awful stories, and the Sorrow games are only better insofar as you don't have to hear the dialogue but merely mash a button through it. If your eyes don't glaze over when you learn about GRORIOUS NIPPONESE PRIESTS FORDED THOUSAND TIMES sealing Dracula's power into an eclipse then you honestly deserve to hear Trevor Belmont call people wankers.
>>150432145There are no decent seasons. The whole thing is shit
>>150432145Nocturne is fucking unbearably bad. Obviously everyone here is going to complain about all the DEI characters and how they steal the spotlight from the actual game characters, but even independently of that, it's just a poorly-paced, nonsensical shitshow that's impossible to get invested in. I'm sure there were at least one or two redeeming concepts and/or characters, but I'll be buggered if I could recall which.The only reason I even finished the show was because it turned into a hate-watch for my friend and I during our weekly hang-out.
>>150433744>/co/ntrarian manchild
>>150432145>first two seasons were decentWell, you have shit taste so you might enjoy them.
>>150433765Finally a post that properly shits on Nocturne instead of pulling punches.
>>150433781>>150433779
Nocturne is fine, except for Thundercats Erzebet.
>>150433787>wahh wahh please cawtwawian>please eat up Netflix garbage like I doFuck off and die.
>>150433737I don't know what to say except I strongly disagree with you Lament of Innocence, Portrait of Ruin and Soma's games are ripe for adaptation.Yes, a writer hadls to fill in a lot of gaps, but excellent framework is there to start with.
>>150433737I just assumed the Hakubas were Christian
>>150433794>immature retard is immediately madAs expected.
>>150433815The irony of this post is palpable.
>>150433688Tell that to the guys who put together the Vampire Survivors DLC. They fucking scoured the IP and made use of every little bit they could. It's essentially a fan wiki In game form.
>>150433703This. The characters and setting have a lot of potential. I'm always irked when people talk like certain media has no right to be a certain level of complexity. But I really enjoyedmost of what they did in the first two seasons. I loved Trevor and Sypha and Alucard as a trio, and I thought manic-depressive Dracula was neat. People also like to bitch that the emotional climax was between Alucard and Dracula and didn't really involve the others, but I unironically loved "I'm killing our boy!">>150433786People pull punches over Nocturne? Are you yankin' muh chain?>>150433737>then you honestly deserve to hear Trevor Belmont call people wankers.Were my jimmies supposed to be rustled by this? Why? Because it was anachronisitc?
>>150432956>They went "We don't need Warren Ellis!" and gave us a show that felt like a bad attempt at writing like Warren Ellis.One of the biggest issues with Castlevania is that season 2 was only supposed to be 4 episodes, but then Netflix doubled the order so they had to pull another 4 out of their ass on short notice. The result is that there's a lot of standing around and talking in season 2. Going forward, it feels like they used that as the blueprint, so every season was just purposefully jammed with blather because it's cheaper to animate.I wasn't as bothered by the girlboss vampire council as others were, but I wonder if it would be possible to make a fan edit of season 2 that just completely omits all their shit and focuses just on the three heroes and Dracula as originally intended.
>>150432145Only season 1 was good. The rest was shit.>>150432485I doubt it. It is probably just as bad as the first show without the first season.>>150432956It is probably just as bad. Ellis did not make the show good.>>150432735>>150433224They replaced vampire politics with American level education of the French Revolution.
>>150433896>I wasn't as bothered by the girlboss vampire councilAt least, Carmilla tried to be part of the plot. Also, she is unironically right. Dracula, Isaac, and Hector are manchildren.
>>150433957You're a cockwart.
It's everything wrong with modern storytelling.
Didn't know it was a contrarian opinion to dislike the initial seasons. I never liked the quippy character dialogue or the pacing that kept the characters away from adventuring most the time.I also thought a lot of the rotoscoped animation was distracting (particularly the first Alucsrd fight where his sword looks like a staff in most the animation).The only thing I really liked was Dracula himself. But they honestly did a little too good with him. He felt less like a sympathetic antagonist and more like the actual protagonist you sympathize with over everyone else, which made the other characters feel like annoying distractions from what really mattered.
>>150433981No, that is Rick and Morty but this shows that "sincerity" is a cope. Even if the West starts making more "adult animations" that aren't black comedies or do away with the MCU humor, they will make soulless trash.
>>150434085A Zombie Priest made Holy Water it's on the same level as Rick & Morty.
>>150434131I hate Castlevania but Rick and Morty is more indicative of everything wrong with modern writing. Both unironically have an evil message.
>>150434187>evil>evil>evil>evilI'm so tired of you schizos.
>>150434237Yeah we should go after the church instead am I right comrade?
>>150434237>evil>evil>evil>evilI'm so tired of you schizos.
>>150434034Season 1 fails as an adaptation but it decent enough as a script. Season 2 was absolute shit but it had to follow storyline of season 1 so people thought it was good. Season 3 & 4 was full of OC content nobody gave a shit about. Nocturne is more OC content nobody gives a shit about.>>150433896>One of the biggest issues with Castlevania is that season 2 was only supposed to be 4 episodes, but then Netflix doubled the order so they had to pull another 4 out of their ass on short notice. The result is that there's a lot of standing around and talking in season 2.The heroes' side of the story had the pacing only tolerated by indy flash animators. The villains' side of the story had the pacing of a snail and it had two village slaughter scenes that didn't advance the plot plus one if add the Godbrand flashback.
>>150434269You should slit your throat after killing your entire family. That way the world would be a better place, so go for it.
>>150434675weird falseflag
>>150434764>f-f-falseflagWhat else did you expect to hear, retard? Your response was a retarded irony-poisoned strawman you made up in your mind because you can't argue for shit and expected something less than "kill yourself"? Fuck off, you shitrat.Besides, since you're a retarded amerifat (and I could easily tell by your low-IQ posts. That or some kind of brown, which are not really worthy of any distinction since it's functionally the same thing) I have zero doubt in my mind that you are simping for actually evil people IRL (either directly or by consuming and spreading their propaganda), which makes your holier-than-thou moralfagging act over a shitty reddit cartoon this much more tiresome.Either way I wasn't joking, you dying would make everybody happy.
>>150434675>gets angry when people mentions>tells people to kill themselvesYou used to be better at this Satan.
>>150434784Okay
>>150434784>seething this hard at the mention of evilYou knew this was going to happen when you rebelled against God.
The pacing was oddly garbage even in the "good" seasons
>amerimuttsTruly some of the worst "people" on Earth.
>>150434858Season 1 was only good season and it was 4 episodes. Besides rushing Dracula and Lisa's romance, season 1 actually knew how to pace the story.
>>150434810>>150434790>>150434818>no argument, more christcuck schizofaggotrySuicide, now.
>>150434942Losing to God is understandable but losing to a hillbilly with a fiddle is a new low.
>>150434989Post hand and a timestamp
>>150434784Twix?
>>150434784
I still don't get why they dug up Curse of Darkness just to completely repurpose the characters and plot from it. What's the point in going out of your way to reference something only fans are going to get, only to get it wrong on purpose?It would literally be easier to make up a new OC with Hector's role in the Netflix show that try to shape an existing character into that role.
I never saw Nocturne but it seems so fucked from the get-go. The first four seasons made Dracula the fan favorite. But then they try to adapt Rondo of Blood without him? I realize they wrote themselves into a corner by solving his crisis prematurely, but that's crazy. Richter and Dracula's showdown is one of the most heavily referenced things in the franchise.
>>150435110It is for posers. The entire show is for posers.
>>150435110Your mistake is thinking that any part of the show was made "for the fans", lol. The entire thing was made for the purpose of creating a profitable animated series, so aiming to specifically please a small group of petulant gamers who would likely nitpick and hate it anyway is always a terrible and retarded idea, which is why executives don't do it. I'm not defending them. I'm just pointing out there's an extremely logical reason why so many of these shows don't give a fuck about "properly" utilizing the source material.
>>150435173To be fair, Earthbound is one of those games that's honestly better to just read about, watch, and soak in the vibes as opposed to actually playing it.
>>150435432>purpose of creating a profitable animated seriesThey already failed.
>>150435450It's literally one of the most hastle free 16-bit RPGs.
>>150433737>Curse of Darkness are genuinely awful storiesI think Curse of Darkness's portrayal of Hector as someone Dracula could've been is a way better angle for him than the foreverial delitized servant he was in the show. The game itself has like forty minutes of cutscenes and Hector still shows more growth in those than he did across three seasons of the show.
>>150435432That's literally my point. Why even bother forcing yourself to skim a summary of Curse of Darkness If you don't want to adapt it and don't care if fans appreciate it? Just make some shit up.
>>150435161They'll probably bring Dracula back for the SOTN part and have him showdown with Richter there.But I feel like if they really wanted to keep Dracula out of Rondo, there were much better candidates to replace him with than in-name-only versions of Elizabeth Bartley and Drolta Tzuentes
>>150435556Your point doesn't make any sense. Why NOT do it? You speak as though there's some sort of unspoken code of what is and isn't "right". What is even your argument? That the writers somehow put undue strain on themselves by researching Curse of Darkness? I'm pretty sure they didn't. Why do you even care?The reason they did it is because they needed content and had likely been given the green light to adapt whatever they wanted. How well they did it or the fan response is entirely irrelevant. Content is content. There was no imperative to do things in any specific way just to satisfy your autism.
>>150435110>>150435556The most generous take I can think of is that Hector was supposed to revolt and take down Carmilla by himself in Season 4, as something like how he betrayed Dracula in the game. But when Season 3 came out and Isaac turned out to be the most popular character of the whole cast, roles got shuffled so Isaac took out Carmilla while Hector and St. Germain helped resurrect Dracula. After Season 3 came out, one of the directors said Isaac's subconscious desire to resurrect Dracula was what influenced the squid night-creature to attempt it, which gets the town incinerated. That'd be a weird thing to write in if Isaac was gonna have nothing to do with the "resurrect Dracula" plot next season. Though it could've been something the directors came up with independent of the script.
Remember what this assholes give us wokeshit instead of sexy thic vampire mommy
>>150435623Anon's argument seems to be that there was no point in using Curse of Darkness's characters if Ellis wasn't actually gonna adapt anything remotely close to it. I think it's a bit like if The Judge from Season 3 turned out to be Simon Belmont or Frankenstein's Monster. He has nothing in common with either of those characters so it'd be weird to have him be them, and make you wonder why not just use an original one instead.
